The 3HP Mini Lathe..... It Scares Me

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Artisan Makes

Artisan Makes

Күн бұрын

G'day everyone,
In this video I will be following up on last weeks video where I added a 3HP 3 phase motor to my mini lathe. In the first half of the video I will answer a few questions I got regarding the lathe and the upgrade, and in the second half I will try and push the lathe to its limits.
0:00 - Into and answering questions regarding the lathe and the upgrade
8:48 - Lets Push This Lathe to the Limit
11:38 - 4140, Stainless Steel and Titanium
#machining #lathe #minilathe

Пікірлер: 354
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
Link to the previous video where I do the upgrades: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mdNkgtKCt722h2w.html
@G58
@G58 Жыл бұрын
This is indeed impressive. 3HP is the business to be sure. But what’s going on with your centre at 12:43? It looks like it’s wobbling excessively. Also, you should get better results with a coolant feed.
@baini92
@baini92 Жыл бұрын
You got a better surface finish on the titanium than what we tend to get at our workshop with proper CNC machines 😂
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
Maybe mini lathes are the production workhorses that you have been needing :)
@SELG88
@SELG88 Жыл бұрын
@@artisanmakes 🤯
@simpleman283
@simpleman283 Жыл бұрын
The more I watch these mini/small lathe mods, the more I want just keep saving my money for a real lathe.
@OmeMachining
@OmeMachining Жыл бұрын
Haha yes it's really strange people offer that much money, time and effort trying to make their cheap machine usable. 😅
@magicponyrides
@magicponyrides 10 ай бұрын
Good luck to you man, and I hope you get your real 14x40 or similar. These toy lathes will just frustrate you and make you wish you had a real one.
@pcrengnr1
@pcrengnr1 5 ай бұрын
So, let's see we pay $400-$600 for the lathe then we spend another $3,000-$5,000 in time and materials to still end up with a 7x X lathe. They are what they are, a SMALL lathe to make SMALL parts. If you need a lathe to make larger parts or want to go faster choke up the dough and get a more suitable lathe that doesn't need a bazillion upgrades just to make chips. As they say don't be penny wise and dollar foolish.
@OmeMachining
@OmeMachining 4 ай бұрын
@@mikemike4737 do you really think I'm jealous?? 😅😅 Also, for 1500$ you could get a good, used machine.. working from the start..
@clasdauskas
@clasdauskas Ай бұрын
@@OmeMachining Not in Australia you won't.
@whitestarlinegoodnight
@whitestarlinegoodnight Жыл бұрын
This is the shop equivalent of maxing out your starter weapon Edit: holy cow, that smoke on the HS is unsettling! You were not kidding when you said that heat buildup was a problem.
@deiterwakes1907
@deiterwakes1907 Жыл бұрын
Nice work! The beauty of spending your own time, money, and effort to build your own vision, is that you don't owe anybody an explanation or justification.
@BobWidlefish
@BobWidlefish Жыл бұрын
8:36 also: using an over-spec part in this case means it will plausibly last a lot longer since you won’t be pushing it, unlike smaller motors. Even if you only use 1HP, 3HP capacity has advantage.
@KenjiDev
@KenjiDev Жыл бұрын
this motor will definitly overlife this lathe but with one condition. He need some type of foam to cover air intake to the engine otherwise chips would just kill it from inside... :) I allready had to make that "upgrade" on my mx-750 becuse motor start to get weird noises, so opened it and there was a lot of chips inside, so I added foam and they just cant find way inside anymore :)
@Volt64bolt
@Volt64bolt Жыл бұрын
@@KenjiDevit looks like a tefc motor so it should be fine
@shawno8253
@shawno8253 Жыл бұрын
​@@KenjiDev wouldn't mesh work better?
@MyLonewolf25
@MyLonewolf25 Жыл бұрын
yuuup duty cycle matters
@benjurqunov
@benjurqunov Жыл бұрын
The extra rotating mass of the motor will also help smooth running.
@harlech2
@harlech2 Жыл бұрын
"Authorities in Australia continue to investigate a mysterious explosion that leveled 15 city blocks. Early reports suggested that a hobby machinist had installed a 3hp motor on a Chinese mini-lathe but these reports were quickly dismissed as implausible. Casualty figures are still coming in, but miraculously no one has been reported killed. Please stay tuned for further developments."
@haraldd.4910
@haraldd.4910 Жыл бұрын
made may day!
@MultigrainKevinOs
@MultigrainKevinOs Жыл бұрын
Oh thank goodness you took another look at the wiring. That was my only concern watching the last video. Keep up the great work!
@SonofTheMorningStar666
@SonofTheMorningStar666 Жыл бұрын
👍 For the algorithm.
@roboticus3647
@roboticus3647 Жыл бұрын
All Hail the Algorithm .... superfastmatt.
@davidcolwill860
@davidcolwill860 Жыл бұрын
What you have done here is what is done on many CNC machines. VFDs do not give anywhere near full power at low speeds. In order to get torque at low speeds you can either fit a gearbox or a bigger motor. These days the latter is the cheapest option. So while you will never need 3hp at full speed, you will be glad of it when doing heavy turning at low speed. In industry when motors are run at low speeds, it is common to remove the fan fixed to the motor and replace it with one driven separately. I can't see any reason why you couldn't do this if it becomes necessary.
@RANDOMNATION907
@RANDOMNATION907 Жыл бұрын
I'm thankful you're sorting all of this out and sharing it with us. Thank you.
@andyphilpotts4636
@andyphilpotts4636 Жыл бұрын
Looks like a lot of wobble on the tailstock end, observed at about 12:55 into the video, but with this setup, I am half surprised the entire lathe doesn't explode! Really interesting video, thanks. You really put together good stuff and I appreciate it. I have been wondering for a while if the rotating mass of the chuck etc. at the headstock end is not a big factor. Minilathes have so little mass in those tiny chucks. You do have a big motor, but belts stretch and slip, so under load, there will be speed variations. At the very least I would expect this to affect surface finish negatively. My dumb idea is to place a flywheel on the headstock, on the drive side (to balance the bearing load and get it out of the way). This should make use of the spinning momentum to power the bit through varying material. Of course, this negatively affects spin-up, and spin-down, but that seems a small price. Flywheels are cheap, they could even be conveniently shaped like a handwheel
@orangetruckman
@orangetruckman Жыл бұрын
Andy Philpotts-I was going to say the same thing. Whether the center joke was centered or the live center was showing that it’s got some play 🤷🏼‍♂️
@CraigsWorkshop
@CraigsWorkshop Жыл бұрын
Flywheels are good for storing energy over time and then releasing in a short period of time, or at some later time. Think of a hammer application or similar. For a continuous smooth output, like a lathe requires, the flywheel probably (sadly) won't add any power/energy/momentum benefits. I would like to see the experiment though!
@MyLonewolf25
@MyLonewolf25 Жыл бұрын
spin up and down really doesnt matter much on a lathe however you gotta be really careful about balancing it or youll wreck bearings
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
Thats nothing i'd worry about. I took the part out of the lathe and didnt spend much time recentering it, hence the wobble
@HyperactiveNeuron
@HyperactiveNeuron Жыл бұрын
Tapered roller bearings should definitely be tough enough. Trains use them and so do most cars. I used to build them for a living. If they can handle a train they'll take care of your lathe just fine. Brand doesn't really matter. It's the design. Timken, Brenco and Koyo are typical brands and are pretty much interchangeable
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
I would have thought this to be the case
@PuddinJr1993
@PuddinJr1993 Жыл бұрын
Your wiring was what i would call a prototyping setup. Proof of concept. Didn't need to be completely safe. Just prove it could be done before doing proper wiring.
@frodobaggins169
@frodobaggins169 Жыл бұрын
I like your channel. You've done some amazing projects with the equipment on hand. With all the upgrades and modifications you've done on your lathe you could have bought a bigger one. But with the youtube content you have created you're ahead of the game. Thanks for your great content.
@eddembowski
@eddembowski Жыл бұрын
Absolute madman. This is brilliant, I love it.
@SethKotta
@SethKotta Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your next lathe upgrade!
@chimpmoon1856
@chimpmoon1856 Жыл бұрын
Just bolted a 25mm thick plate to the bottom of my Sieg too, going to epoxy fill it soon as well. Thanks for the inspiration. Excellent stuff...
@2testtest2
@2testtest2 Жыл бұрын
Using an oversized motor will help you with the cooling at low speed issue. Power ratings for electric motors normally indicate how much power they can produce without overheating, as that is usually the limiting factor. Running at slow speeds it won't have the full 3hp worth of cooling ability, but I don't think you will need the full cooling potential much of the time. Just having a larger thermal mass of such a big motor also means you can push it way outside of the cooling capacity for short bursts. I don't think you will have to worry much about overheating that thing.
@BSMikkel
@BSMikkel Жыл бұрын
Going from 550w to 2200w is def pushing it. I got the Vevor Mx-something with 1100w. The motor seems to be giving the least problems, i.e everything else seems out of wack. This is where all your knowledge and mod vids comes in handy and inspirational. Every week I learn more about my machine. Your classy returns on subs' comments/questions/scrutinizing says a lot about your character and I really enjoy your updates. Happy sub here :)
@pieterveenders9793
@pieterveenders9793 7 ай бұрын
Ugh, just the name Vevor makes me shudder, what a nightmare that purchase was... 3 years ago I bought a Vevor MX-600 and that piece of utter shit was so worthless I haven't been able to make a single piece of work on it to this very day. The bed was so devastatingly bad (as much as 0,17 mm of variation in thickness along the bed), and god knows what else. Those a**holes from Vevor did everything they could to get out from underneath it too, I inmediately opened a complaint procedure, but I only had something like 24 or 48 hours time at some stage to respond to their offensive suggestion of getting a 10% discount (it was literally just scrap cast iron, in order to have it repaired I would have to spend €1500+ and thus better off buying a brand new one here in Western Europe), and that happened to be just over the Christmas holidays when I was unable to respond in time, so that finalised it and left me with that hunk of scrap iron. Being a poor student at the time and unable to recouperate my €1050 I paid for the lathe, I was forced to repair the whole thing myself, all the while having no previous experience in metalworking whatsoever, so it's been a huge challenge to put it mildly. Several times it just became too much and I threw in the towel for a while, only to pick it up again some months later. Eventually I had read up on everything enough and done enough research to know what I needed to do in order to turn it into a usable, or actually even a good machine for its size. Sending the bed out to a company to grind the bed and lathe ways into spec would have cost me €1500-2000 depending on the company, which was way out of budget not to mention simply not worth it, so instead I resorted to hand scraping. Through a Dutch company which specialises in auctioning off company stock I managed to win the bid for a cast iron precision 1000 mm long camel back, which along with some dark blue oil paint and a roller made it possible to get all the ways back into spec. Originally I intended to hand scrape it, but during my research I found out about an alternative method, instead of hand scraping it uses a rotary tool with one of those carborundum grinding wheels. I gave it a try and it actually worked amazingly well, and with the added benefit of not really needing a lot of previous experience and skill to do it well like is the case with scraping. However it also gave a bad surface finish, much too course, so I tried the same but with sanding drums on my rotary tool instead, which gave very smooth results! At this moment I'm half way done, there are 6 surfaces which need to be brought into spec; the flat ways at the front and one at the back, the prisms at the front and one at the back, and the undersides at the front and at the back. Originally I had planned to exclusively use the rotary tool in combination with my camel back to bring the ways back into spec, but more recently after having made a set of my own carbide scrapers I have decided I will use the rotary tool to bring it approximately 95% into spec and the last 5% I'll finish by hand scraping, as that's much more preferrable on bed ways that need to retain lubrication. From there on I still have a couple more things I need to do, like making sure all the dovetails and other important areas mate with each other nicely, that the headstock and tailstock are perfectly aligned with the bed and to each other, replace the deep grove headstock bearings for the set of tapered roller bearings I already bought, and a couple other small things which will improve the lathe. I intend to be finished in about another 6 months or so.
@marcus_w0
@marcus_w0 Жыл бұрын
Hot, blue chips are a good thing and wanted! They're transporting the majority of the heat away from the work piece. Although cooling might be necessary sometimes, carbide and blue chips work like a charm the most times and are in fact desired. This is the reason to use carbide. It's heat resistant and can make huge cuts without melting the blade. Those chips you've shown look pretty fine to me. Just make sure that you don't stand in the way they're flighing. Have a look at the chip tray of some big, industrial machines - they're conveying blue shards of metal by the pound. just search youtube for "blue chips lathe" or "blue chips mill"
@DavidHerscher
@DavidHerscher Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much work you can get out of a machine with proper setup and know how; rigidity, torque, tool geometry, etc. I have a nicely tuned south bend 9" with 3/4hp motor that I can use to easily take .250" off the diameter (.125 DOC) of steel stock. I also have a south bend heavy 10 that I've never properly tuned as it was in "good enough" condition when I bought it and I just wanted to put it to work, and it struggles with .100" diameter cuts even though it's a MUCH heavier machine than the 9".
@robbiestevens1158
@robbiestevens1158 Жыл бұрын
Love everything about this, keep up the great work fella 👍👍
@tune3garage
@tune3garage Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video as usual. I love what the lathe can do now. I need to perform some rigidity on my 9x20 so I can attempt cuts like that. Your channel inspired me to get into home machining. Thank you.
@ErikBongers
@ErikBongers Жыл бұрын
Good. I'm, now confident to proceed with installing such a motor on my Sherline.
@EitriBrokkr
@EitriBrokkr Жыл бұрын
Most inverter rated motors can be ran down to 50% rated speed without cooling problems. If it becomes a problem, remove the motor fan and replace it with a separately powered fan.
@BenMitro
@BenMitro Жыл бұрын
The culmination of the small mods and the big motor is a bloody good lathe!
@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248
@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248 Жыл бұрын
4mm DOC is very impressive! Those are some satisfying chips. You could make bespoke steel wool for the hipsters.
@sparkiekosten5902
@sparkiekosten5902 Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@RR-wt5ir
@RR-wt5ir 7 ай бұрын
Die Verdrahtung des Motors ist perfekt 😊
@silicon.alchemist
@silicon.alchemist Жыл бұрын
As well it should... I bought one of the Chinese 750w (1hp) sewing machine upgrade kits which have a 3 phase servo drive and it works like a charm. Cost me just over $120 CAD plus a couple of new spindle pulleys and belt.
@filopat67
@filopat67 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see that you sorted the wiring. With heavier cuts you probably would get better finish wiht inserts with larger nose radius. Larger nose radius means more power is needed to cut, but then again you got more power now.
@ThantiK
@ThantiK Жыл бұрын
@10:41 -- holy crap the amount that tool was dragged downward by the forces, lol
@haraldd.4910
@haraldd.4910 Жыл бұрын
Very good conclusions, as far as i can tell. Not so many people processing titanium on a minilathe with high polished inserts for aluminium with your stunning result.
@ambsquared
@ambsquared Жыл бұрын
Bigger chuck sounds like it will be a good add. You have the power now to get that extra mass moving.
@joemcgarry1106
@joemcgarry1106 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to horsepower on a lathe, too much is just enough. Good show of it!
@johannriedlberger4390
@johannriedlberger4390 Жыл бұрын
The next big improvement might be an electronic lead screw. I have installed one, afer the big pulley on the spindle for the 3-phase motor made the gear inaccessible for the change gear. But be warned: the electromagnetic noise that comes from an inverter motor makes the setup a bit tricky to run reliable.
@roseroserose588
@roseroserose588 Жыл бұрын
I think this is one of those situations where operations being nerve-wracking is actually good, keeps you humble avoids getting a bit too enthusiastic and causing some spectacular damage...
@rootvalue
@rootvalue Жыл бұрын
Happy for you friend. That is all. 🥰
@paulmorrow8372
@paulmorrow8372 Жыл бұрын
A note on VFD’s. When operating under the motor nameplate RPM, say 300 RPM on the 900 RPM motor, you are in the area known as “constant torque” meaning the motor will output the same max torque as any RPM between 0 and 900. Horsepower will vary, but torque will stay the same. Once you get to over 900 RPM’s you are in the “constant power” area meaning the motor will always output 3hp, but torque will decrease as RPM increases over 900.
@SELG88
@SELG88 Жыл бұрын
Awesome upgrade keep rocking 😁
@robertsilberberg8526
@robertsilberberg8526 Жыл бұрын
that first 10 seconds literally made my jaw drop
@hampopper3150
@hampopper3150 Жыл бұрын
You can thread on a larger pully that extends past the gears or you can try out a CNC leadscrew. CNC your leadscrew can allow you to cut any thread you want and you can slow it down much slower than the stock gear train for the leadscrew.
@southerng3568
@southerng3568 Жыл бұрын
I use a sewing machine motor with speed control on my mini lathe, which works great and powerful enough.
@Kmnri
@Kmnri Жыл бұрын
Looking great, love it
@tomboxyz5564
@tomboxyz5564 Жыл бұрын
If you want to prevent the motor from overheating at very low speeds (especially since it's a 6 pole motor so you can run it really slow even with open loop scalar vfds) simply attach an external fan, probably a 120mm one, sunon ones are really good and you can get them at any voltage that's convenient for you. just mount the fan on the outside of the fan cover blowing into it
@RallyRat
@RallyRat Жыл бұрын
Very nice! You can never have too much power. High feed rate and proper surface speed is crucial with indexable carbide, both of which are enabled by the big motor and VFD. You'll never use the full 3hp for more than a few seconds at a time on that tiny lathe, but it does allow you to run a huge speed range without overheating the motor. I'd avoid running messy coolant and instead rather put that effort into a proper air compressor and hearing protection to support a good air blast set up.
@danielking8862
@danielking8862 Жыл бұрын
Man I picked up a vevor 8" lathe at a good price. I can't wait to learn to turn with it and eventually follow your upgrade path.
@UglukGPZ900
@UglukGPZ900 Жыл бұрын
No problems having a big motor, as i t only puts out the amount of power you load it with. The big benefit will be when you slow it down, wich you should do with the stainless. Half the speed, a hefty feed and flood coolant is the way. Good job!
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 Жыл бұрын
Very nice upgrade with the 3 hp motor. I would have definitely thought that it would have over powered the lathe. I am very impressed. I have a Enco 12x36 with 1 1/2 hp. Now I'm thinking a larger HP motor now, maybe a 3.0 hp. Thanks for sharing. I just subscribed to your channel. Take care, Ed.
@lesmaybury793
@lesmaybury793 Жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff. Regarding changing the chuck, a 100mm chuck will fit. In fact there are versions of the mini lathe with 100mm chucks as standard. Fitting a backplate will work but the downside is that it will increase the overhang of the chuck. I bought a replacement spindle for mine to take a 100mm chuck with a 72mm register. It wasn't expensive but provides a more ridged setup and a slightly larger hole through the spindle. It works well.
@MrPatrik246
@MrPatrik246 Жыл бұрын
For short periods of time motor will be fine under 30Hz, but I'd recommend to not go under 30Hz for longer periods.
@johncoops6897
@johncoops6897 Жыл бұрын
I don't think he really understands how induction motors and VFDs actually work. This whole thing could have been done with almost zero expense and a much better result using a 1.5-2.5 HP DC motor and MC2100 controller from a discarded mid-size treadmill. DC means 100% torque at zero RPM so it reduces the need for gearing, however the treadmill motors spin faster so you need a small (original) pulley on the motor to get the spindle revs within a usable range.
@airgunningyup
@airgunningyup Жыл бұрын
I think you did everything perfectly. This is the ideal arrangement for a mini lathe. Id probably swap in a 5 inch chuck but thats about it
@TgWags69
@TgWags69 Жыл бұрын
316 stainless is very gummy due to the high nickle content. It makes sense that geometry designed to cut aluminum would work. Even HSS would be a good option. Like you said though if it start to rub and heat up it turns rock hard.
@Matt_VSute
@Matt_VSute Жыл бұрын
Love ya work mate
@handlebullshit
@handlebullshit Жыл бұрын
Huge improvement from stock.
@rickpalechuk4411
@rickpalechuk4411 Жыл бұрын
Great upgrade! Over kill with the motor helps keep it cool. Coolant is the next must have. I have concerns with the bearings, they will shed the grease much quicker with the side load of deeper cuts. Be nice to oil bath them somehow. Thanks for sharing Cheers
@CatNolara
@CatNolara Жыл бұрын
Tapered roller bearings can really tolerate a lot of force, no issues there. My lathe came with those from the factory, but I noticed that it's not so nice that there's no seal in front of it. On mine it sounds like it's already grinding down on some small chips that got in there.
@cwilliams4227
@cwilliams4227 Жыл бұрын
Tapered roller bearing hold the wheels on cars and can handle the dynamic loads created by turning and slamming large weight over pot holes and the grease lasts for years. I think this setup is fine.
@jaro6985
@jaro6985 Жыл бұрын
@@cwilliams4227 Yeah but I think Ricks point was the grease can get flung off. Cars used sealed roller bearings, so the grease is retained inside.
@davidrule1335
@davidrule1335 Жыл бұрын
Because of that VFD, witch is just fine, the useable range is 30-90 hz. At 30hz I would add a cooling fan as the motor is not spinning fast enough to cool itself.
@LitchKB
@LitchKB Жыл бұрын
Love it mate. You got more balls than I do, have only really run mine to about 2.5mm DOC - but that's as far as I go. Currently in the middle of a Clough42 e-leadscrew conversion (With a rollled ballscrew), but with a different microcontroller (I'm more familiar with STM boards). Have also previously done roller bearings (I found them to be quite a bit louder than angular contact ball bearings). And a full CNC conversion is on the drawing board for later this year.
@Group-Five-Industries
@Group-Five-Industries Жыл бұрын
You do you man!!
@user-super-user
@user-super-user Жыл бұрын
it would be a good idea to make a quick guard for that drive belt
@zJericho101z
@zJericho101z Жыл бұрын
Awesome little lathe, i am jealous!
@jimmehdean012
@jimmehdean012 Жыл бұрын
Good job on your lathe upgrades, you're really getting some good work out of that little lathe! In a few of the videos I've seen there were some times that I had some safety concerns - in general it seems like your RPM is a little high for the material, though that may be necessary due to lack of machine rigidity. Just be wary of the possibility of ejecting parts from the chuck. On one of the other videos you can clearly see the work slipping in the chuck (was running true, after the hiccup it had a slight wobble.) At high rpms this can be very dangerous! I would also recommend chucking up as much material as possible and facing the work before you center drill for a live center. Seeing a center wobble makes me 🙈 Great job!
@arthurmoore9488
@arthurmoore9488 Жыл бұрын
That could be because he was using a fixed speed AC motor until now. This upgrade should help quite a bit.
@Vange-smeden
@Vange-smeden Жыл бұрын
I really like your videos, Thank you!
@y2ksw1
@y2ksw1 Жыл бұрын
Approaching a bigger lathe 😊
@glennwright9747
@glennwright9747 Жыл бұрын
Letting the vfd run to 90 hz ( field range of motor) will allow motor rpm 1.5 x higher. Great for small diameters and suitable material!
@Pushyhog
@Pushyhog Жыл бұрын
thanks for the update, l still have the black motor u taught me how to do.
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
Neat. If it works for you that is great
@jhbonarius
@jhbonarius Жыл бұрын
It actually looks great imho. For the type of lathe. Although I think you need some form of auto feed for better finish. What I do notice in your videos is the live center shaking/vibrating, thus also that end of your part. I think you really need a better quality live center. That will also improve your results.
@alanremington8500
@alanremington8500 Жыл бұрын
Good one !!
@shanemeyer9224
@shanemeyer9224 Жыл бұрын
Wow color me impressed! I mean 3mm DOC on a chinese mini lathe like this is really impressive, not so much in regards to the motor, but more so about the slide, Im amazed the slide can handle that lateral pressure and not lift up or buckle in any way. As always just fantastic content from your channel, the only sad part is I've already watched all your videos multiple times. I generally watch your channel and clickspring while Im working its nice.
@Bob_Adkins
@Bob_Adkins Жыл бұрын
If you're really scared of it, maybe add a clutch or use a cheap flat belt that you cut to size and glue up. It should be much easier to modulate the slippage on a flat belt than a V belt.
@gerardbouter3486
@gerardbouter3486 Жыл бұрын
love the content m8 i'm facinated by al the 'creators' but your simple way of making videos and comment on things really is amazing. Keep up the good work! Hope one day you can buy a bigass lathe xD
@jacob_90s
@jacob_90s Жыл бұрын
7:55 You might see if you can find an old iron surface plate and use that instead. I know this will of course depend on where you are, but I'll occasionally see some older worn ones for 100-200 dollars. Most of them just tend to have a bunch of dents and gouges from accidents in a shop, so it limits their use as a surface plate, but just take a whetstone to them and they'll be a way better mount than some bars of steel.
@sweetpeaz61
@sweetpeaz61 Жыл бұрын
good upgrade...BTW with 4140 it will chip lovely with a dcmt style insert .the problem is heat in the chip. if the swarf is hot it will be stringy mostly. suds will help loads but you will find the biggest difference is reduce the spindle speed with a decent feed rate and it will chip ..if the feed rate is too slow it builds heat like when the spindle runs too fast ..its finding that balance..you can probaby tell I machine a lot of 4140 :)
@Festivejelly
@Festivejelly 6 ай бұрын
I use ground sharpened aluminium inserts for all my lathework, even on stainless steel. They will dull over time but for me they leave such a good finnish on the parts. And it kinda cuts rather than peels. The downside is you will go inserts a lot faster. but for a hobbyist and the cost of $30 for 10, I dont think they are too bad.
@otterconnor942
@otterconnor942 7 ай бұрын
I've never machined anything and it scares me how powerful that lathe is
@davidheidary7124
@davidheidary7124 7 ай бұрын
Nice videos 👍 thanks ✌️ Take a look at a speeds and feeds chart for cutting anything harder than aluminum and brass. Helpful in getting better cuts. 🙏
@godzilla7382
@godzilla7382 Жыл бұрын
if you're having issues breaking chips try putting a deflector on the tool either clamp on or brazed. just enough of an angle increase to encourage a stress bend on the chip. when i say deflector i'm thinking more of a slight redirect.
@ianbertenshaw4350
@ianbertenshaw4350 Жыл бұрын
I had a 1hp 3ph motor on my mini lathe , two speed v belt drive with a quick release mechanism on the tensioner lever - changing speeds took about 5 seconds . There was a lay shaft that fed power from the v belt drive across to a poly v belt and this to the spindle . Even 1hp has enough grunt to flex the carriage but it never broke and in low speed I could get down to 60rpm and on high 3000rpm - the taper bearing get hot at this speed ! On the motor I put a small 12v Thermo fan -150 mm dia iirc and this was speed controlled via a cheap Pwm controller I got off eBay - I could run that motor all day under load and it barely got warm . In retrospect I could have saved a lot of time and effort if I had have used a 3hp motor as it would still have enough power when running slowly where as the 1hp didnt and I wouldn’t have needed the two speed drive . I now have a small optimum lathe as I sold the other one minus the motor and vid and I am going back to using HSS as it is cheaper , needs less power and is more durable than carbide inserts for what I do - every time I use it I find the edge is chipped and I have to change the insert around .
@edpopelas2844
@edpopelas2844 Жыл бұрын
3HP Motor Upgrade has to be the end-all be-all mini mill upgrade. You sir have finally did it, you broke the internet, no other upgrade is worthy. All mini lathe owners now bow down. The King is before us!😂
@6NBERLS
@6NBERLS Жыл бұрын
Most excellent.
@channelname10yearsago68
@channelname10yearsago68 Жыл бұрын
Nice motor. It also comes with a lathe
@mjm7187
@mjm7187 Жыл бұрын
It should scare your leads crew as well. Go for it.❤
@Lone-Wolf87
@Lone-Wolf87 Жыл бұрын
Finally, someone is breaking the rules and leading the way for everyone else. As long as it works there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
@linorics
@linorics Жыл бұрын
Love this. When I finally get around to working on my lathe I’ll have a few years of upgrades to plan out lol
@ronmillis8143
@ronmillis8143 4 ай бұрын
I recommend Adult diapers as an upgrade 😂
@joell439
@joell439 Жыл бұрын
Impressive
@CraigsWorkshop
@CraigsWorkshop Жыл бұрын
Very cool. Believe it or not I have taken a 6mm depth of cut (entire edge of a CCMT060204 insert) in both mild steel and cast iron, on a Premo Aussie made lathe. It was a 400kg+ lathe, with a 1.5hp single phase motor. I think both mass and rigidity are as important as motor power. It is heaps of fun to watch what you can do with this beast of a mini lathe though. I liked the comment where the guy who made the QCTP said it should be fine. 😂 Cheers, Craig
@OmeMachining
@OmeMachining Жыл бұрын
Dept of cut is one thing. Feed is another ☺️ not many machines under +2000kg is capable of both 😁
@CraigsWorkshop
@CraigsWorkshop Жыл бұрын
@@OmeMachining of course 👍
@magicponyrides
@magicponyrides 10 ай бұрын
I can take 1/4" depth of cut on steel all day long on an Acra 14x40, which honestly isn't a great lathe. It's just, you know, a real lathe, unlike these little mini-lathes.
@pieterveenders9793
@pieterveenders9793 7 ай бұрын
Having a proper geared lathe makes a big difference as well, as it will harness the maximum amount of torque out of the motor.
@65cj55
@65cj55 Жыл бұрын
It's a little beast.
@davidrule1335
@davidrule1335 Жыл бұрын
On heavy cuts get in the habit of running the tailstock handwheel in as you cut.
@chris_sirhc01
@chris_sirhc01 Жыл бұрын
The problem with carbide tooling is that the suitable spindle/tool rpm is double that of hss and when the smaller diameters are machined the greater rpm's are required for egsample 1mm hss drill may require over 10 000 rpm for machining brass or aluminium and tungsten tip/cemented carbide recommended rpm is 20 000, manual lathes these days from shop maximum rpm is 3000rpm. Australian fitter and machinists are taught workshop formula(guesstimate) 300 x V ÷ D where x is multiplication,V is velocity of material,D is diameter of work(lathe)/tooling(drills,end mills and slot drills,side and face milling cutters etc...). This leaves alot to be desired when efficiency with accuracy is a requirement. Take care and Cheers
@elluisito000
@elluisito000 Жыл бұрын
With great power comes great responsibility
@mikenewman4078
@mikenewman4078 Жыл бұрын
By switching to 3 phase you have eliminated the inherent single phase pulsating torque. Overpowering is a common technique to dissipate heat. Going back in time the trick was to fit a larger motor that the inverter. These days inverters are cheap so the new trick is to derate the system with the settings. Use the Vee belt slippage as the fusible link and detune the motor to trip at around the same current / torque. Well done with your continuous improvement model, all or most of the previous modifications are paying off now.
@martin09091989
@martin09091989 Жыл бұрын
Those tapered roller bearings are very strong at axial and radial loads, but they are very imprecise! They move relatively much under load! You can get angular ball bearings in alot of common sizes, they are much better. Such a motor upgrade is on the agenda for my mini lathe too! Mine hase a 750W motor, that is somewhat acceptable....
@artisanmakes
@artisanmakes Жыл бұрын
I haven't found that to be the case, we are getting run out of less than 0.01mm on the spindle. Granted these are moderately expensive bearings
@mootan2
@mootan2 Жыл бұрын
nice job
@HM-Projects
@HM-Projects Жыл бұрын
Haha, this is crazy good. The real test however would be parting, pop a 60 or 80mm stock and try parting with a 4mm HSS blade at low speed 😜
@MarkATrombley
@MarkATrombley Жыл бұрын
I would add something to keep chips out of the motor. A simple shield between the motor and lathe would probably be enough.
@foogee9971
@foogee9971 Жыл бұрын
amazing....good work! a little bit insane, but good work! 😉👍
@godssoldier101
@godssoldier101 Жыл бұрын
brother, please increase the size of the bolt head surface you used to fix the lathe to the steel plate.. and make sure their high rated.. with washers.. it appears in the video they are WAY to tiny for all that torque.. stay safe and keep up the great work.
@vivigarr
@vivigarr Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see you make a custom quick change gearbox for the lead screw
@sgtbrown4273
@sgtbrown4273 Жыл бұрын
I have that same drive on my Air compressor! 😄
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