The 4 Squares Review: X Men: Mutant Insurrection

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Tom, Zee, Mike, & Roy take a look a X-Men themed dice game!!
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Overview 1:40
Final Thoughts 11:05
Scores 21:00
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@whytemeet 3 жыл бұрын

I still hope that one day, we will get a good X-Men board game.

@pikkdogs 3 жыл бұрын

Marvel legendary. It’s here.

@whytemeet 3 жыл бұрын

@@pikkdogs I have legendary but I'm not counting card games. I'd like a coop miniatures game.

@timothypankiewicz6312 3 жыл бұрын

@@pikkdogs He said he wanted a GOOD X-Men game

@BriceJamesHagerman 3 жыл бұрын

Marvel Xmen United is a coop miniatures game & it’s on the way to Kickstarter later this week (mid-April)

@whytemeet 3 жыл бұрын

@@BriceJamesHagerman Yes, I can't wait!

@zdelorean88 3 жыл бұрын

Zee hating this game is the most entertaining thing I've seen this week. Love it.

@ThymeKeeper 3 жыл бұрын

There is always a lot of talk about color blindness being an issue for game accessibility, but we make fun of tiny print and people being too old to read it. I am one of those people. I'm older than Mikle DiLisio and that tiny print is a deal breaker for me. Very disappointing.

@mydemon Жыл бұрын

I"m only 40 but my vision is shit. Small text is definitely painful.

@BAD-Canon 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a shame. X-men is a property that really deserves a good game.

@robertwood6635 3 жыл бұрын

FFG should have not wasted their time on this, and got the X-Men characters into Marvel Champions. Roy, your foil Marvel Champions identity cards rock!

@jasonminer9871 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to see this review cause you all probably saved me getting this. I was so excited to see X-men but all your points have me completely avoiding it. Thanks for that

@ThymeKeeper 3 жыл бұрын

What's most interesting about this review is that they all came to the exact same conclusions separately. That NEVER happens in a group review.

@MikeDV34 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy this segment a lot. You guys are great!

@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, guys, for doing this review. I was having trouble resisting the urge to run out to my local game store and buy yet another game which I rarely have an opportunity to play. Now that urge is gone.

@chrismccoy4270 3 жыл бұрын

These 4 square reviews are awesome. You guys cannot do enough of them!

@neutral1980 Ай бұрын

Ok fan-boy… we heard you! 😵

@FMD-FullMetalDragon 3 жыл бұрын

All FFG has to do is put the X-Men in Marvel Champions and all will be forgiven.

@TorIverWilhelmsen 3 жыл бұрын

Quicksilver: Am I a joke to you? :)

@timothypankiewicz6312 3 жыл бұрын

@@TorIverWilhelmsen He's an Avenger much more than an X-Men.

@adamholt5395 3 жыл бұрын

@@TorIverWilhelmsen He and SW don't have the mutant tag. :(

@BlueSapphyre 3 жыл бұрын

@@adamholt5395 Because they're not mutants.

@SaschaKleiber 3 жыл бұрын

@@BlueSapphyre But they are. Read the comics.

@jeffgoggin 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing like the pain of WANTING to like a game so bad and it letting you down. These were the kindest 5s ever. Reminded me of many an LJN Nintendo game rental in my youth. Hard saved money and a long bike ride only to have your valuable weekend crushed shortly after the start screen.

@christian_daigle 3 жыл бұрын

Loving these 4 squares review guys, keep it up !

@lyg 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the review!

@EricBarbman 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice group recension around a nice synthesis by Zee. I really like this format.

@anddav40 3 жыл бұрын

Great honest review

@boardgamecloset 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review! You saved me some money on this one.

@davidjackson9426 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome review; love the format and information. The fact they have not provided enough bases for all the standees automatically means I will not be buying this game (changing the bases every game will put me off playing). Thank you for the review 😀

@Theredglovedman 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I always have to buy more bases , I agree its annoying.

@Bassishify 3 жыл бұрын

I always die a little inside when someone calls it “Elder Signs” 😂

@alanliddle4084 3 жыл бұрын

Just saw my FLG get this in and of course I came straight to you guys. Never played Elder Signs but this doesn't look appealing at all. Watching this video seemed more enjoyable. Always fun hearing Zee talk about a game and finding out what hat Tom is wearing. Well that opens a door. Let's go, bust it man! Breach! 😂

@benjaminspears8488 3 жыл бұрын

Ouch. 3/4 of the components are just amazing and the artwork looks great. It’s also nice to have a game that doesn’t feature Thanos or Infinity Stones. It’s too bad they didn’t let this cook a bit longer before it was released.

@BullTaco99 3 жыл бұрын

YES the Miami Dice Music is back!!!!

@danielcraig6615 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review. I was iffy when I watched the FFG video but I wanted to like this game. This review helped me greatly.

@abefroman81 3 жыл бұрын

I love Xmen and I'm with Roy, I'd love to see them get a game worthy of the name.

@Gtomer 3 жыл бұрын

Why is it not a 4? It sounds like you won't want to play it again.

@petergross7235 3 жыл бұрын

Typical FFG shorting you on something. Always trying to cut corners. I adore Elder Sign....I own everything in it. This does not seem to live up to the expectation that Elder Sign set.

@xq1234wzts 3 жыл бұрын

I have completly opposite opinion. I think every change from Elder Sign system is improvment. As for relations, it adds emotion because even if it would be best to go together you need to spread.

@Atlasfilms08 3 жыл бұрын

Guess I'll just keep waiting for X-men in Marvel Champions.

@rockxhero 3 жыл бұрын

I feel like Roy. Love the X-Men, fav Marvel team, & feel so far HeroClix & VS System has done them the most justice. Tbh I wasn’t even excited to watch this review bc I’m used to being underwhelmed, but watched out of obligation to the IP & hope.

@mattpolley7290 3 жыл бұрын

Feel exactly the same, really enjoyed how well many of the characters were done in heroclix. I will wait for some Marvel champions🤞🏻

@ringokidd9324 3 жыл бұрын

A very pro review. My fears came true with this game.

@ExBeeOne 3 жыл бұрын

27:07 Zee, you need to practice your boxflips. Talk to Rodney.

@montax35 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the very honest review. I'm disappointed because I am a huge xmen fan. Really thought that this would be the one! I'll stick to Legendary for now

@SuperboyReborn 3 жыл бұрын

Bought some an extra pack of FFG plastic stands, and wouldn’t you know it? There’s just enough stands for everything after I bought that pack :P

@josephvadasz1238 Жыл бұрын

An X-Men themed rpg dungeon crawler would be awesome

@FrostQueen82 3 жыл бұрын

Well thats devastating. X-Men has always been my favorite IP. Any way to make some "house rule" changes to make it more playable?

@DanielHolding 3 жыл бұрын

I really like the gameplay of Elder Sign, so I was a little dissapointed in this TBH... Changed the main rolling mechanism? The small font? I don't think I'll pick it up.

@F4R207 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the warning.

@necrotoaster94 3 жыл бұрын

Good review even though the ratings are disappointing for what looked like a promising game. I enjoy watching the back-and-forth with the guys as much if not more so than the review outcome itself. 😃

@Monkeyb00y 3 жыл бұрын

Nice catch Zee ;)

@Avionauta 3 жыл бұрын

you convinced me, I'm going to buy Yahtzee! :D

@aaronsirois7032 3 жыл бұрын

All fair criticisms. I feel the ability to dogpile missions and keep completed objectives without doing the whole card actually makes this easier than it looks. A lot of times you can safely ignore missions that don’t actively move you forward. One thing I do like is that you can meaningfully contribute even if you can only clear one objective. You don’t have one player running the game cause they got lucky and are rolling in good items and spell cards.

@booma_ 3 жыл бұрын

one game less to buy in 2021

@pikkdogs 3 жыл бұрын

Okay. Back to playing Legendary.

@caedmonstudios 3 жыл бұрын

Here's what this game really is: FFG is prepping their X-Men art library for bigger games and probably content for Marvel Champions and this game is an old engine lying around ripe for easy reskin so they can try and easily monetize and pay for some of that art production.

@mcstabba 3 жыл бұрын

What a bummer. I have lots of nostalgia for the I.P. from reading the x-men comics back in the late eighties and early nineties and enjoying the movies but themed Yatzee doesn't entice me, oh well.

@mrbastos 3 жыл бұрын

I'll definitely give it a go. I grabbed it because I love the X-men IP and heard it was based on Elder Sign which I've wanted to play for a while now. Sad to hear not everyone liked it, hopefully I do though.

@FPchie 3 жыл бұрын

Personally it is a step down from Elder Signs though. Gameplay, aesthetics, components and design wise.

@mrbastos 3 жыл бұрын

@@FPchie Definitely understand that. I just sorta went in blind when I pre-ordered. Hopefully I can get some fun out of it though.

@petergross7235 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrbastos If it doesn't work out, I highly recommend looking for a gently used copy of Elder Sign with one of the omen expansions.

@mrbastos 3 жыл бұрын

@@petergross7235 Any Omen expansion in particular? Likely will end up doing that if this doesn't work out (such is the risk we take lol).

@petergross7235 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrbastos I started with Gates of Arkham. It introduced the new mechanism that allowed you to leave the museum and explore Arkham proper. My favorite Omen though is Omens of the Pharaoh. But really all of them are very interesting. Zee does some great reviews of all of them (I think). I highly recommend you take a look and see which one appeals to you the most.

@Memmnarch1981 3 жыл бұрын

Lets just hope that after the Guardians Cycle in Marvel Champions we will see the X-Men... ;)

@montyfarris 3 жыл бұрын

Should had been another variant in the Rising seris, but one that plays up to 6

@marka3108 3 жыл бұрын

Hopefully FFG will add expansions that change the game dramatically (like with Elder Sign).

@zdelorean88 3 жыл бұрын

It might be a Gates of Arkham away from being fun.

@shawn_solo 3 жыл бұрын

Just get Elder Sign

@erythrocebuspatas 3 жыл бұрын

This is why only grades at 7 to 10 matter. Standard distribution should have the top of the bell at 5 but board games, video games, books and movies have it at 7.

@Wh0isTh3D0ct0r 3 жыл бұрын

Rolling dice in this way feels more appropriate for a Lovecraftian game than a Marvel game anyway.

@evansj18 3 жыл бұрын

Yikes. A few years ago a good chunk of my collection were FFG games. Now, post asmodee and without Christian and Corey, I can't remember the last ffg product I bought.

@rjaredhamby 3 жыл бұрын

I actually really like SW Outer Rim but it seems as if they just forgot that game was in their catalog.

@maxducoudray 3 жыл бұрын

I don’t think Asmodee has anything to do with stuff like this. Asmodee produces many great games.

@skinflutey 3 жыл бұрын

@@rjaredhamby they mentioned in an interview from last year that OR will be getting expansion/s 2022 along with other SW board games. They’re also working on a SW card game.

@rjaredhamby 3 жыл бұрын

@@skinflutey ah, thanks. I remember there being an interview where it was mentioned but I didn't realize it was 2022. Dang, that seems like a long time in a board game market where a month old game is old news.

@skinflutey 3 жыл бұрын

@@rjaredhamby I agree you figure they would have already started developing one once OR was finished with it’s development.

@benlauson555 3 жыл бұрын

When watching how it played I kept thinking"man this game looks awful!" Interesting to hear that they didn't really like it in the end.

@chadikewood2342 3 жыл бұрын

Often feeling like you may not be playing the game right? CONSTANLTY looking things up in the rule book? Yep, Sound like a Fantasy Flight game to me.

@IvanGrimm1 3 жыл бұрын

I had reluctantly pre-ordered this. Now I think I'm going to cancel that pre-order. Maybe I can pick it up in six months at a bargain price.

@IvanGrimm1 3 жыл бұрын

Well I have played this a number of times do far and it is much better than they make it out to be. The first scenario is not great but they get better. Maybe a 6.8/10

@johnsonnavinr2522 3 жыл бұрын

Guess crisis protocol is where to get your xmen fix.

@nothing3376 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I take a 5 to just be “eh”. All they did was complain, I would think lower... either way thanks!

@b.c.eckhoff3495 3 жыл бұрын

I've been playing this game all week, and certainly like it better than Elder Sign. It certainly has it's issues, but it's much less luck based than Elder Sign thanks to each hero having it's own unique set of dice. So it's very satisfying in that regard.

@FullMetal625 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't played this yet but have play a decent amount of Elder Sign. I really don't like Elder Sign because it feels like a lot of Arkham games, in which I feel like I'm on an island most of the game and my fellow players are just off doing their own thing and we're hoping it all comes together. This looks much more interesting to me personally, do to the encouragement to be working together with my fellow players. Also enjoy that this appears to be constantly working towards the showdown vs ES it feels like that's the opposite which when I'm on that island not pulling my own weight I feel like I'm letting the team down. That's just me anyhow

@reptar33 3 жыл бұрын

It seems like FF doesn't care anymore, just rush "games" out.

@Organous 3 жыл бұрын

Seeing the comments here about no good X-Men games gave me inspiration to try one of my own, a very silly one. Hopefully I can keep the motivation to see it through.

@goon5544 3 жыл бұрын

I give it a 5

@BryceChristiansen 3 жыл бұрын

Played solo last night. It's okay. Definitely would feel better playing with others, but even then it's doing a disservice to the X-men IP. So glad Marvel United is such a better implementation of a game. Looking forward to the X-Men expansion kickstarting this year.

@nosrednadnomyar86 3 жыл бұрын

I have not played Elder Sign but find the Yahtzee mechanic to be so fun. It is simple. But actually gives choice to welcoming games...."as a father" the mechanic is easy to teach and get the family playing. Thank you for the conversation

@bricelory9534 3 жыл бұрын

This sounds like a solid 4 or lower....it sounds worse than Tiny Epic Quest, which I rate a 4 for similar reasons: so much rules oversight for very few meaningful decisions. Sounds like a really un-fun system.

@imanujakku 3 жыл бұрын

It saddens me to say it since ive probably spent a year plus of real life time playing fantasy flight lcgs, star wars x wing and ffg board games but asmodee has ruined the brand. Christian Petersen’s mandate of making great games is gone. Theres no eric lang collabs or corey konieczka and many of the other lcg, rpg and board game design crew has moved on. I love xmen. I grew up reading days of future past and watching the cartoon but this game is something id expect from hasbro not fantasy flight. Im happy plaid hat escaped at least lol.

@TSDreamCreative 3 жыл бұрын

If we needed a sign of things going in a poor direction with the NEW FFG, this is it. They used to be my favorite game company. At this point, only the coop LCGs are of interest to me.

@chuck00x 3 жыл бұрын

Disappointing, but not surprising. I want an X-Men game in the same vein as Mansions of Madness (2nd) and Lord of the Rings: JiME. Minis and an app.

@JonTalbain777 3 жыл бұрын

Dice Tower is my positive place, but I have to say, this the first 4 Squares I've seen where they all hated on the game and it was incredibly entertaining to watch. Back to Marvel Legendary for my X Men fix...

@TheSpitfired 3 жыл бұрын

I have the game on pre order through my FLGS and I’m hoping I’ll still like it despite what was shown. I will likely look for ways to house-rule the game and make it more like Elder Signs lol. That being said, the plastic stand shorting is absolutely ridiculous. Shame on you FFG, shame on you.

@mabos555 3 жыл бұрын

hated elder sign but this game hooo I just love the x-men but not elder sign... maybe if this game will have an app i'll play the app just like i did with elder sign but nothing more than that. as for this game still not sure. do you think they improve the dice part out of elder sign or it's just same with x-men retheme?

@typerk2388 3 жыл бұрын

I've only had to buy one FFG game to learn to never do It again. With so many companies doing amazing productions with attention to detail, it baffles me that they are still relevant.

@JonoNZBoardGamer 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure this must have been play tested but based on the review something must have gone wrong there... Feedback not being taken on board or just testing within a small group? It's a shame, I had hope for this one

@shrekage 3 жыл бұрын

When is this releasing?

@mrbastos 3 жыл бұрын

it is already out

@Theredglovedman 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrbastos Doesnt it release the 26th so?

@mrbastos 3 жыл бұрын

@@Theredglovedman Oh, I dunno. I got my copy last night from Fantasy Flight directly, so maybe it shipped early.

@Theredglovedman 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrbastos Cool well hopefully mine shows up tomorrow at the store.

@deathm00n2 3 жыл бұрын

The plastic standee thing is really stupid, they did the same thing for Arkham 3rd edition, greedy bastards. Charge a lot on the games and don't even deliver pieces for all the standees, it is not like it is a expensive component

@ScytheNoire 3 жыл бұрын

FFG is cheap as can be. They only care about selling things and cutting corners whenever they can. This is what happens when you are owned by a huge company like Asmodee. People need to stop buying FFG crap. They don't care.

@martinlarouche4418 3 жыл бұрын

I don't think Asmodee is to blame here. All their other companies have continued producing quality products. In fact, FFG started cutting corners and going in other directions a few years before Asmodee came in. They had already started dumping their euros into Wind Rider games and focused on micro transactions equivalent packs with their LCGs, Xwing, Armada, Descent 2 and Imperial Assault, selling dice packs and templates in separate packs. They have 4 or 5 gaming mechanics they are recycling in all their games now. To the point they now feel generic and played out. - The deck of damage cards where you get them faceup instead of facedown when critical. - The tokens to spend to turn symbols into successes on dice or cards. - The Flightpath system. - The AI monster movement system that is basically just a card draw from a small deck dedicated to each monster type, first found in Gears of War, now hidden into their apps for Mansion of Madness, Lord of the Rings adventure games... - etc. We just recognize the stitches between their gameplay elements. None of their games trully feels new because of this.

@BaronMalovane 3 жыл бұрын

Can we not just get talisman or decent reskinned with marvel characters?

@jeremypett3028 3 жыл бұрын

You can tell right away after seeing this on the table. How much of a mess you're in for. There're multiple different size cards, dice, tracks, cut outs, and for some reason and tiny blackbird. It honestly looks like the whole game is just you trying to solve a complicated word problem.

@EricWoning 3 жыл бұрын

Such a shame. I had super high hopes for this one for all the reasons mentioned. I just don't get FFG. So hit & miss

@VillainCollector1 3 жыл бұрын

If pros are having issues with the complexity and organization of the game, I'll be skipping this one even though I am a diehard comic book fan.

@bossmonster4136 3 жыл бұрын

This makes me sad. I was super excited for a GREAT X-Men game! Guess it's back to Marvel Legendary for me. :(

@ieatstheinternet 3 жыл бұрын

Did Roy mispronounce his name?

@NazgulGamer1 2 жыл бұрын

I love Xmen stuff and only watched this because I’ve seen the game half price, well I won’t be buying it for anything over $20 Aud.

@kruzhalovv 3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Sound like a 3/10 to me.

@22gjreyes 3 жыл бұрын

If they talked about a different game rather than what they are reviewing, you know its a bad game.

@johnwhitesnake6353 3 жыл бұрын

I love Elder Sign. This looks awful comparatively. 😕

@Ecto_Fox 3 жыл бұрын

Replace those cardboard pieces with hero clix

@FullMetal625 3 жыл бұрын

Buddy of mine did that for about 15 bucks I think

@reafdfsagassg 3 жыл бұрын

ugh, i was afraid of this. why they keep doing x-men dirty?!?!!

@justinjimenez1879 3 жыл бұрын

just canceled my pre order. so glad i seen this before it was too late. super disappointing

@thecaryou 3 жыл бұрын

Man FFG has had a couple duds lately this and the Final Hour being bad. It feels like a lot of their good stuff is just past games and expansions for them.

@benjoslin3782 3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like this game committed the unforgivable sin of not being FUN.

@mysticmouse7983 3 жыл бұрын

Hang on for X-Men United by CMON this year

@jonathandavid6631 3 жыл бұрын

A 5 is a very, VERY, generous score. Lazy game design inside a X-men box.

@andrewroy9528 3 жыл бұрын

A 5 honestly seems generous given your thoughts - to me that means a mediocre, fine game, one you don't especially want to play again but you won't really be opposed to it if it comes up and don't feel like you wasted the time you spent with it. This seems worse than that, a frustrating game that isn't enjoyable and is clearly below average and not worth your time.

@masblas3379 3 жыл бұрын

I am so disappointed! I had high hopes for this mainly because i love the X-Men and there's no real game with the X-Men. Can I please get an X-Men game that's good?!

@EpicGamingNight 3 жыл бұрын

I literally yelled make a good X-Men game please ! at the end of the review but I cut it out LOL! I love this IP I hope they take it to Marvel Champions soon!!

@masblas3379 3 жыл бұрын

@@EpicGamingNight If they do a line of X-Men for Champions, I'll be so excited!

@chrisc1625 3 жыл бұрын

There is an expansion for Marvel legendary for X-men. It's pretty good.

@masblas3379 3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisc1625 I know! And i waited too long to buy it and now its super expensive. I shouldn't have waited so long! 🤣

@kennethpaschall4801 3 жыл бұрын

A great review guys. I will admit I am disappointed in the production of the game though I will give it a try at least. FFG has definitely fallen for me in terms of excitement for new games coming out.

@skinflutey 3 жыл бұрын

Yea they’re supposed to have a bunch of Star Wars board games lined up for next year but now I’m concerned about their quality.