The 4-Star Problem is Getting WORSE

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Jello Impact

Jello Impact

Күн бұрын

Today we talk about how 4 stars are not NEARLY as free to play friendly as people say they are. and what you can do about it
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@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Just to be clear: I do think the starglitter shop is good for if you haven’t been able to get a staple 4 star or have been really unlucky with cons discord.gg/3dHkuMsgGU discord :)
@Splatz007
@Splatz007 Жыл бұрын
Jello!!! 😊 Hi 👋
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
@@Splatz007 hiiiiiii 😎
@lancehalzen
@lancehalzen Жыл бұрын
Says invalid link. 😢
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
@@lancehalzen should be fixed!
@Coom-Slayer
@Coom-Slayer 11 ай бұрын
I started in april, so i i bought a bennet with star glitter. But now its all for wishing.
@GxGNoir
@GxGNoir Жыл бұрын
We must sacrifice a whale. The epitomized path came after Tectone spent over a thousand dollars to get Homa. We must find a whale to spend 2000 dollars to get C6 Faruzan for Hoyo to realize the problem. We must sacrifice a whale.
@ryzhik9608
@ryzhik9608 Жыл бұрын
It took me 200 wishes to get a single Chongyun lol. I got 3 5* before one last constellation on a 4*.
@yakimlukanov6964
@yakimlukanov6964 Жыл бұрын
Someone have done it .....true story
@carpickles
@carpickles Жыл бұрын
Wasn't there someone who got C6 Itto before they got a C6 Gorou? Forgot where I heard it from, but I am pretty sure it happened
@hlonghi
@hlonghi Жыл бұрын
Didn't Zy0x get C6 Kazuha before getting C6 Heizou? I remember something like this happened already
@MefoWho
@MefoWho Жыл бұрын
so youre saying million of chinese spending and crying back then isnt the reason they added epitomized path, but tectone $2000 is ?
@xvgarnet
@xvgarnet Жыл бұрын
A c6 kaeya/amber/lisa might be rarer than a c6 5 star 😂
@DefinitelyNotAFerret
@DefinitelyNotAFerret Жыл бұрын
It IS rarer. You can guarantee a c6 5 star in like 1260 wishes (~202k primos), assuming you lose every single 50/50 and go to 90 every single 5 star, but you’re never guaranteed getting a single Amber in even double that amount 😂 which is insane
@MrJuditte
@MrJuditte Жыл бұрын
I have c6 Kaeya but I have bought all the constellations from the shop. I didn't get a single copy of Kaeya from the standard banner (I have C5 Amber tho...)
@xvgarnet
@xvgarnet Жыл бұрын
@@MrJuditte i bet that took a long time! c6 Kaeya is one of my goals, I'm jealous 😅
@MrJuditte
@MrJuditte Жыл бұрын
@@xvgarnet It did... I've been playing since 1.0 and i never skipped any Shop rotation that had Kaeya in it so you can say it took me 2,5 years to get all of his cons.
@yuuichimakoto
@yuuichimakoto 11 ай бұрын
​@@MrJuditteI got his consolation from standards and shop, after i got hims c6 he came (c7 🤣) from standard!
@coolguy10221
@coolguy10221 Жыл бұрын
I hate that there is just the chance to not get the 4 star that you want in a banner even after you pull well over 100 times. Not to mention the fact that it's actually easier to get a 5* than a specific 4* you want. It just feels really shitty when you don't get what you want.
@Szczurzyslawa
@Szczurzyslawa Жыл бұрын
180 pulls and only c1 Faruzan for me I feel this so deeply. In many other gachas, you can buy/spark 4* from the current banner if you pulled enough on it. And if not RIGHT NOW, eventually all 4* are added to some kind of shop. Genshin's 4*s are too strong and profitable? maybe for them to do that though which sucks. Ironically the strongest 4*s (not Sucrose tho, rip) are buy-able so.... tbh no clue anymore...
@WackyIraqi777
@WackyIraqi777 Жыл бұрын
Mihoyo is just greedy. They make billions of dollars and take 2/3 of that as net income. They can absolutely afford to be less stingy, but no competition nor morals so they won't.
@AzureDrag0n1
@AzureDrag0n1 Жыл бұрын
@@Szczurzyslawa Let me tell you now. You absolutely buy them in the Starglitter shop. You need to change your perspective here. What if you could buy Yae Miko for 34 starglitter? Would you do it then? Well Xingqiu and Bennett are BETTER than most 5 star characters. You are getting an insane deal spending 34 starlitter to get a 5 star character. You take that deal period. I do not see it as getting closer to a 5 star. My perspective is to increase chances of getting certain characters and many 4 stars are the backbone of almost every team in the game. Spending starglitter in the shop lets you cut in line. Another thing I found important for f2p and low spenders is to look up banner leaks so you can plan out your wishes long term. I will sometimes wish on banners that I do not want the 5 star that much but the 4 stars are very desirable. I sort of build pity this way increasing my chances of getting the 4 star I want. I also plan out my wishes so that I can nearly guarantee the 5 star I want even if I do accidentally get an early 5 star I was not going for. So I often wish just before I reach soft pity when aiming for certain 4 stars. I think it is fine to do this because most of the limited 5 stars in the game are fairly well balanced. You can do well with any of them. I think the only banner I would not wish on would be the Klee banner. All of the 4 stars on her banner would have to be godly for me to risk going to soft pity.
@MrDSkinny
@MrDSkinny Жыл бұрын
I went 90 pulls without a single Mika. He's the only 4 star i still don't have
@Alex04blue868
@Alex04blue868 Жыл бұрын
I started playing at launch and to this day have not gotten a xingqui. The only reason why I have him is because of the latern right event.
@BeavisVolg
@BeavisVolg Жыл бұрын
I get that there are certain characters that MUST be on their protagonist's banner(Gorou on Itto banner, Sara on Raiden, Faruzan in Scara etc) but it would be so awesome to see them more often in other banners
@567taco
@567taco Жыл бұрын
I agree, I got yoimiya on her release, but because yun jin pretty much only runs with yoimiya (who I don't want constellations for), I haven't gotten very much yun jin copies since despite wanting her
@vincikeeper1581
@vincikeeper1581 11 ай бұрын
​@@567tacowait yunjin appears only on yoimiya's banner?
@user-fm1ip3cq2i
@user-fm1ip3cq2i 11 ай бұрын
​@@vincikeeper1581, no, firstly she appeared on Xiao/Shenhe's banner, then on Ayato's one
@vincikeeper1581
@vincikeeper1581 11 ай бұрын
@@user-fm1ip3cq2i oh ok
@567taco
@567taco 11 ай бұрын
@@vincikeeper1581 well, not entirely. I think she has appeared on another banner before, but because Yun Jin pretty much always appears alongside yoimiya, it's unlikely for her to appear on other banners without her.
@kuvjason7236
@kuvjason7236 Жыл бұрын
There is also the problem of reverse powercreep. Alot of these new 4* characters almost always need c6 to function whereas the likes of Xq and Xiangling are ready to go at c0
@yoojimin5905
@yoojimin5905 Жыл бұрын
Fischl too, she does alot in my aggravate team. Xiangling c0 is even better but gets even better at c6 (c4 specifically)
@alderweghier3935
@alderweghier3935 11 ай бұрын
@@yoojimin5905 yeah fischl, sucrose, benett, xiangling and xingqiu are all super strong even at c0 and are still good in todays meta
@kejow.
@kejow. 11 ай бұрын
I have zero enthusiasm to build new 4*. first their talents requires the new bosses drops that you can get maximum 3 per week if you're lucky. it just takes forever, specially if more than one needs the same boss material (been trying to build layla and yaoyao and alhaitam and it's painnn (the 3 of them share the same scara material and layla and alhai share the same books, and resin feels so scarce cause you need so many boss drops for leveling them up too. it's such a chore 😭) I know people advice to not built more than one character at the same time but i wanna play the game goddamn it lol at least let me go back to world level 4 so the new characters doesn't feel so weak lmao (maybe that's their way to force you to do co-ops, that kinda makes sense)
@sumbunniii8721
@sumbunniii8721 11 ай бұрын
@@kejow.yao yao is worth it imo but beyond her not really anyone else comes to mind..and I love kirara she’s amazing tbh
@espio329
@espio329 11 ай бұрын
throw in fischl, and bennet. They dont even need cons to function properly compared to majority of the current 4* accessories to their 5* premiers.
@user93284
@user93284 Жыл бұрын
thank god someone said it, I'm a quite new player (started playing around 5 months ago) and I feel like most 4 stars are SO hard to get to c4/c6 to build ""f2p friendly"" teams
@TriThanhNguyen-us7qi
@TriThanhNguyen-us7qi Жыл бұрын
Not only that but you have to complete Archon quest to a certain point in order to farm materials that are exclusive to certain regions to ascend your character. So in the early game you're mostly stuck with 4 star Monstadt characters. Even if you manage to build your character there is a chance you'll be disappointed at their performance not living up to your expectations. Yeah I learned this lesson from lvling up Aloy cuz I was so craving for a bow DPS.
@John_II
@John_II Жыл бұрын
I'm AR 59 (WT 8) here's my advice: 1. Don't go for constellations on 4* unless you have a relatively sure way to do it. It will only break your heart. 2. Early game (up to AR 40-45) - constellations don't matter at all. 3. You need to focus on levelling your character, weapons and talents to the appropriate level, and make sure you're levelling all your 5* artefacts (screw the sub-stats, it's not worth it early game). 4. That alone will carry you through to like AR 45... maybe even 50, and to World Tier 6-7. Of course pull for the characters you want, but most of the "good" characters, like Xingqiu, Bennett, Sucrose, Fischl, Xiangling, etc. while better at C6 than C0, are completely fine at C0.
@user93284
@user93284 Жыл бұрын
@@John_II I'm currently AR55, my two built teams are sucrose national and ayaka permafreeze with mona and kazuha, my xinq is c0 and my xiangling is c4 thanks to the last kazuha rerun, I'm planning on trying to build a dendro hyperbloom team but getting the 4 stars feels harder rn than getting a nahida lol
@jim8113
@jim8113 Жыл бұрын
Honestly you’re much better off just building a team off a hypercarry in this state of the game
@John_II
@John_II 11 ай бұрын
@@user93284LOL, it is hard. Luckily with Dendro Traveller and Xingqiu, once you get Nahida, you're in good shape for a hyperbloom team. At that point all you would need (IMO) is either Kuki or Fischl would fit nicely. But if you comes across a 5* banner with an electro character that would work too... like Raiden.
@MonsterDroiid11
@MonsterDroiid11 11 ай бұрын
Yup … just got mona tighnari and c2 wanderer only with 178 wishes.. no faruzan tho… oh and c54 yanfei… damn
@maddy-mew
@maddy-mew 11 ай бұрын
c6 yenfei and rosaria and got them 3 more times extra, while my faruzan sits pretty at c3.. I feel you. They should really just prevent you from pulling a character past c6 or give you primogems back
@abcdefghijklmn8935
@abcdefghijklmn8935 11 ай бұрын
@@maddy-mewit would be nice if they can block an already-C6 character from hitting our meteors
@Error403HRD
@Error403HRD 11 ай бұрын
Rip, it took me failing both Kazuha and Alhaitham's 50/50s at high pity to get C6 Heizou, C6 Xiangling, and C3 Yaoyao.... I wish the ones you maxed out dropped in likelihood of being summoned, it's really annoying to have C9 Heizou and C8 Xiangling, but C3 Yaoyao
@faehana1638
@faehana1638 11 ай бұрын
I wish they changed the % of pulling the 4*. Now it's split three ways, but if they are C6, there should be a higher chance to get the one you don't have. By now, getting duplicates only gives you *one* free wish (I doubt anyone is using starglitter for anything else than maybe starter characters)
@abcdefghijklmn8935
@abcdefghijklmn8935 10 ай бұрын
@@Error403HRD omg I am sorry to hear that :(
@hlonghi
@hlonghi Жыл бұрын
Cautionary tale from a small spender here: In the last Ayayaka banner I really wanted to get my Diona C6. Since I also wanted Ayaka I thought it would be easy (my Diona was and still is C5). So, I pulled for Ayaka and got a Dehya at pity 75ish. Ok, I thought, I really want Ayaka. So I went again and got her also at pity 70ish. My Mika was C6, no Diona in sight. So I went to Shenha banner. And got her. At pity 80. No Diona. Got multiple extra Mikas. Don't pull for 4 star constellations lmao. EDIT: I did it! My Diona is finally C6! And I got Neuvillette in the process :3
@junyew1813
@junyew1813 11 ай бұрын
Me trying to get thoma on his rate up banners: Diona and Ningguang: *I don't think so*
@FroggyGizmo
@FroggyGizmo 11 ай бұрын
It took me 160 wishes to get a single YaoYao on Alhaitaims banner 😅 Yea, dont count on the featured 4 stars
@blastgladium1691
@blastgladium1691 11 ай бұрын
This Happened to me on Ningguang funny thing is back then we have less 4 stars lol I got her to c6 on the 1st Liyue lantern event.
@TheDoRoBouNeko
@TheDoRoBouNeko 11 ай бұрын
It took me 170 wishes to pull for Sara. I got Raiden, Qiqi, C1 Raiden and still no Sara. That blasted banner only gave me Rosaria to C5 😭😭😭
@arishaaishi
@arishaaishi 11 ай бұрын
​@@FroggyGizmoSAME But only 90 wishes, I even got two 5* before first YaoYao
@ewybean
@ewybean Жыл бұрын
as a diehard c6 noelle main i can't imagine if she was released nowadays when getting 4 stars are way harder now, with how niche she is it was a hard sell even back then let alone now they really need to add a batch of 4 stars to the starglitter shop other than the starting ones i really want gorou c6 but he's basically only ever on itto banners that i don't want
@naotonhan5253
@naotonhan5253 Жыл бұрын
It really is time to add another batch of 4 stars to the shop, and increase the sell from 2 characters to 3 or 4. 4 stars from Liyue is so hard to find these days, I want a C6 Yanfei and still no luck on this banner
@MoonWolf004
@MoonWolf004 Жыл бұрын
I really want a c6 noelle but I literally can't get her because she's never on a banner. I only have c1 and I got that constellation from the standard banner a long time ago. I know that she is in the shop now but I cant buy it cause I'm poor :D
@SunsetTwist
@SunsetTwist Жыл бұрын
As someone who wanted to main Noelle when I started playing the game, after a year I still haven't been able to pull on a banner that has her so I gave up and just got Itto. I ended up with C7 Gorou, C6 Faruzan and C6 Yanfei in the process but my Noelle is still C1 💀
@EB_3693
@EB_3693 Жыл бұрын
​@@MoonWolf004wdym you're poor? Shop only gives you one copy a month per character in the starglitter shop.
@MoonWolf004
@MoonWolf004 Жыл бұрын
@@EB_3693 by poor I mean that I have only 4 starglitter and only 17 pulls of worth primogem. Noelle is in the shop currently and if I use all the pulls I have I still can't buy her from the shop.
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 Жыл бұрын
I feel like adding an epitomized path to the standard banner would be preferable so you can choose a 5 star and a 4 star you want to build towards (which would also include Kaeya/Lisa/Amber). And add the post-launch 4 stars to the starglitter shop (Chongyun and Sucrose crying in the corner).
@ZanathKariashi
@ZanathKariashi Жыл бұрын
Chongyun and Sucrose were 1.0s, they just ran out of months to squeeze them in, while still making the rest available twice per year. Now that said, we do have enough 4* now that they could make more monthly slots. Slot 3 could be Sucrose, Chungyun, Diona, Xinyan, Rosaria, Yanfei Slot 4 could be Sayu, Sara, Thoma, Gorou, Yun jin, Kuki Slot 5 could be Heizou, Dori, Collei, Candace, Layla, Faruzan. Slot 6 could be Yaoyao, Mika, Kaveh, Kirara, Lynnete, Freminet (the exact order and slot could be tweaked a bit to break up some of the element/region blocks (especially that massive amount of dendro in slot 6 or the Inazuma block in slot 4), in general, just going by release date, and counting the two newest ones for 4.0, we'd have enough 4* for 6 character slots per month).
@jadecoolness101
@jadecoolness101 Жыл бұрын
@@ZanathKariashi Someone doesn't understand humor...
@seeexy
@seeexy Жыл бұрын
im literally feel like crying inside 😂😢😢
@bighat8794
@bighat8794 Жыл бұрын
Archons only rerun once a year and Sara only rerun with Raiden, not having Sara on the shop is criminal 😥
@shatteredstar9565
@shatteredstar9565 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I wanna build her, even though I only have one copy of her.
@bighat8794
@bighat8794 Жыл бұрын
@@shatteredstar9565 I'm gonna have to pull for Raiden constellations at this point cuz I wont rest until I can c6 Sara to support my Yae 😤
@GameBreaker1055
@GameBreaker1055 11 ай бұрын
This is funny to me, because I somehow got her to C5 while rolling for something completely different.
@bighat8794
@bighat8794 11 ай бұрын
@@GameBreaker1055 You lucky mf
@Nowaylarry
@Nowaylarry Жыл бұрын
I'd say it is 100% worth it to buy Xingqui, Bennett or Fischl from the shop if you don't already have them. Depending on the teams you want to play I could see an argument for getting a copy of Beidou as well.
@nsgthunderbird3007
@nsgthunderbird3007 Жыл бұрын
Xiangling too, fischl and beidou debatable cuz not everyone plays them but zq, zl, and bennet are must have
@WackyIraqi777
@WackyIraqi777 Жыл бұрын
No argument. 7 pulls for a copy of any of them is a fantastic trade.
@Shuraig7
@Shuraig7 Жыл бұрын
@@nsgthunderbird3007you can already get Xiangling for free from the abyss. I’m not sure it’s worth spending 7 pulls for a constellation tho (unless it’s c4)
@ArsGratiaArtis792
@ArsGratiaArtis792 Жыл бұрын
I said that as well…but then shortly after I got c12 fischl sooooooo
@abdurehmanmalik2980
@abdurehmanmalik2980 Жыл бұрын
Just wait for Lantern Rite for Xinqiu; save the glitter.
@mishygames
@mishygames Жыл бұрын
Can confirm, I started in 2.6 and have C1 Bennet and C12 Heizou. My Xingqiu is still C5 and I got 2 of him for free and 1 of him in the shop. The state of your account really depends on what banners you pull for.
@Radi340
@Radi340 Жыл бұрын
I started in late 2.2, I’m AR 60 and have nooooo copy of Chongyun. I literally have every other 4* (except Kirara) but him.
@zhngzy
@zhngzy 11 ай бұрын
@@Radi340 me too hahahahah. chongyun is the point where my luck ends. Even after 450 log in days i dont got him.
@Yoanka
@Yoanka 11 ай бұрын
4-star luck's funny. I started in 1.0, my Rosaria is c2 to this day (got her c0 on her release banner in 1.4), but I got c5 Dori from her debut banner in 3.0 (just from pulling for Kokomi) and got her c6 from an event reward a version or two later. Wanting a cryo off-fielder for a freeze team, I've bought Kaeya cons up to c6, from Starglitter resets 6 months apart, before getting Rosaria even halfway there from banners despite doing probably over 2k pulls across all the banners since she came out.
@zhngzy
@zhngzy 11 ай бұрын
@@Yoanka Thats insane xD I wish you best luck to get your wanted 4 stars!
@joaolana3425
@joaolana3425 Жыл бұрын
All 4* characters you have should be in the shop to buy with starglitter, just like Tower of Fantasy
@SorarikoMotone
@SorarikoMotone 11 ай бұрын
they have them there because 4* are so bad there, tho
@deadpaul6587
@deadpaul6587 11 ай бұрын
​@@SorarikoMotonenah i think they mean the standard ssrs
@Ypnos-dy3uv
@Ypnos-dy3uv 11 ай бұрын
@@SorarikoMotone no you could buy it at star glitter. I did not notice it that is why I regret not checking it hahaha. I might get the 4 star there if the one I want appears.
@rpgcross
@rpgcross 11 ай бұрын
Another thing is that even when you spend the easy to get black nucleus that don't add to the permanent banner's spark or pity rate systems, you get one black gold with an SR or SSR dupe after getting to max advancements, so even then you get some progress for the spark
@joaolana3425
@joaolana3425 9 ай бұрын
@@rpgcross I don't think we are talking about the same game
@panik28
@panik28 Жыл бұрын
I totally agree with you, old 4 stars are getting difficult to get and many streamers use them all the time for their guides and say " you should have c6 by now everyone does" I started playing in January and have Xinqiu c1, Xianling c4 and Sucrose c0, Benny c0. Unfortunately, primos for f2p people are hard to get by, and wishing on banners with great 4 stars becomes difficult when they are paired with 5 stars you don't want just like Benny with Dehya.
@CT68
@CT68 Жыл бұрын
This is me. I'm a new player, and got Candace and Kaveh instead of Fischl a few months ago, I finally got her off Paimon's shop last month, but content creators are like "everyone has a Fischl, a Bennet, and a Xingque." I have no Bennet. I was lucky to get a Xingque lrecently, but for most of my time, I've been making the most out of Noelle, Lisa, Kaeya and Xianling. Hoyoverse needs to think about this problem, since veteran players are getting burnt out and new players are getting 4-stars that don't work without constellations.
@EinTheVariance
@EinTheVariance Жыл бұрын
problem is when you are f2p, you're stuck with building what's available to you, rather than what you necessarily want to play. Also, old advice assuming Bennett, xl, xq aren't feasible to follow today...the meta has changed and the banner roster is too wide and different. For you specifically, you are better off building hyperbloom or hyperfridge Lisa with dmc, Barbara/Candace, and kaeya and targeting your rolls to replace with better alternatives like kuki/Raiden, xq/yelan, and nahida. It's a lot easier to build today vs trying to get high rv builds on xq, xl, fischl etc...those units are good but take months if not more of proper building. Dendro comps just need high EM and enough ER to rotate, even with 4* or offset pieces are good enough to sub in and start doing decent dmg until you get better pieces.
@rivn1855
@rivn1855 11 ай бұрын
i dont even have xingque either😭
@Th-St-gaming
@Th-St-gaming Жыл бұрын
8:42 felt that, I got 4 or 5 Dori but not a single Kuki on Nahida's rerun. Kuki is my most used charactrer but is still C0.
@unusualsheep
@unusualsheep 11 ай бұрын
Same, I got multiple dori and Nahida but only one kuki. Kuki is probably my best healer and support behind my yaoyao
@j4nk3n
@j4nk3n Жыл бұрын
Whats worse is there isnt even 4* pity or an epitomised path to select a 4* like there should be now we have such a large character pool!
@FOF275
@FOF275 Жыл бұрын
4 Stars are secret 6 stars imo. Even if they appear on a limited time banner, the odds of getting them are low 'cause the game will sometimes decide to give one 4 star multiple times instead of giving each banner 4 star at random
@yolosky2467
@yolosky2467 11 ай бұрын
can confirm: the last banner i wanted *at least* C2 Faruzan, and in the end i got 9 Rosarias and 2 Yanfeis 😔
@ZephyrSyrup
@ZephyrSyrup 11 ай бұрын
it's still random, the fact that it's random is why I've gotten 7 bennetts instead of a single lynette, if there was a system in place that weighed the banner 4 stars' probabilities differently depending on which ones you've gotten so far then that wouldn't be random at all
@yolosky2467
@yolosky2467 11 ай бұрын
@@ZephyrSyrup yeah, making it so that C6 characters have an increased chance to not be pulled would be great
@mittenvonscrufflears7233
@mittenvonscrufflears7233 Жыл бұрын
Another thing that I think is a problem is that you can still get characters even after you've reached C6 with them. This was a problem I had with I think the Nahida banner where I was trying to pull for her and at the time, I had C4 Xingqui. But by the time I finally got Nahida, I got C6 Xingqui plus 3 MORE XINGQUIS THAT JUST GOT TRANSFERRED INTO MASTERLESS STARGLITTER(and I don't even use Xingqui because I have Yelan and ik Xingqui is better at C6 but I already freaking built Yelan and I'm too poor to build another character that I don't really need). That is 15 measly masterless starglitter, less than half of what you need to buy a 4 star in a shop and not even enough to get a 4 star weapon in the shop and the shop weapons weren't that good in the first place. I would have much preferred getting a constellation on a 4 star character that I actually use, or even a constellation for a character that I don't use yet but might in the future, or maybe that character will become more powerful in the future(for example when kuki released people were talking about how bad she is but when dendro came out she was a character that is used all the time for dendro reaction). I was so angry about how multiple thousands of my hard earned primogems were practically being flushed down the toilet. I think if they really are going to continue forcing us to get characters after we've C6ed them, then they should make masterless starglitter a lot more valuable. For example, cut the cost of how much the items in the shops cost and/or put more valuable things in the shop so it's worth buying. Like more characters in the shop and better weapons. Maybe they could put 5 star weapons that are on the standard banner in the shop and just have the price be a high amount of masterless starglitter, I think that will be better. Otherwise my masterless starglitter is just rotting. I also agree that the 4 stars aren't up on banners enough. I'm one of the few people in Genshin that actually use Chongyun because I play Kaeya and Chongyun is great for him, but it took nearly a YEAR, 11 months for him to pop up on the banner again. When he did pop up, it was on Yoimiya's and Yae Miko's character, BOTH OF WHICH I ALREADY HAVE, and I'm not willing to get any 5 star constellations ever because I'm a f2p and that small damage buff isn't worth that many primogems. So I only was willing to do 3 10 pulls and I was so scared I was going to get one of them, and I didn't get a single Chongyun constellation. So it's been long over a year since I've gotten any Chongyun constellations and he's stuck at C2, and this is the character I want to use for Abyss. I shouldn't have to go through this much trouble to get constellations simply for a 4 star, especially if they literally only put him on banners once every year. I agree that they should have an epitomed path for 4 stars and put them on more often because man this experience is terrible.
@ScreenNameLmao
@ScreenNameLmao Жыл бұрын
As a new player who started at the start of the eula banner thanks for sticking up for us genuinely new accounts
@tomibello5831
@tomibello5831 Жыл бұрын
as a new player (3.6) this video spoke to me so much. im ar 51 atm and i still dont have a bennet or a xingxui, which sucks as they are prevelant in many "f2p friendly" teams i see all over youtube. i dont even have a kuki shinobu so trying to build "f2p friendly" hyperbloom teams is kinda hard. its gotten so bad i've even considerd rerolling just for a better 4 star due to how important they seem to be, but i'm too far atm to be worth my time. for me , it makes building for abyss very difficult as im left to only use the starter characters everyone is given or the suboptimal 4 stars i got from standard and character banners, which wouldn't be a problem if resources werent so limited as if i spend them on these suboptimal options it will take away gold/mora/mats i could of used for better 4 stars i get in the future. then again i dont wish for them to only put "meta" 4 stars as i kinda do like some of the none meta ones. for instance yanfei is one of my favs so i was glad to pull on wanderer/kokomi banner even if i didnt really care for either atm(got wanderer early pity and lost the 50/50 koko early pity, but got at least one yanfie which was nice). some may say "she is taking another meta characters spot" but i believe all characters should be given the chance to get pulled for thier fans out thier. tbh i think your solution of more characters in a phase, or more phases is the way to go to get the 4 stars to run more often. star glitter shop is also valid. tbh the concern of losing the value of the pulls after u get c6 while valid, i think is less of a concern of newer players as i would assume they would have a harder time reaching that any time soon with the ever growing diluting pool of 4 stars so that may be something to consider as well. anyways love your channel and hope to see more in the future.
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Thank you~~
@ericmathew6141
@ericmathew6141 Жыл бұрын
Im AR 55 and facing the same issue, no bennet or xingxiu and had to use 131 pulls to get a copy of kuki during Nahida's bannner and i didn't even get Nahida after reaching 151 pity (Lost to Keqing). got c6 Dori tho lmao
@idk-sy3iu
@idk-sy3iu 11 ай бұрын
Luckily you'll get a Bennett for free in the 4.0 event, but yeah as someone who started in 3.6 phase 2 I agree. I still don't have a fischl nor a kuki which basically means I can't do any aggravate/spread/hyperbloom team, which is kinda annoying especially because I have a keqing just benched there where I could actually I use it. Also getting starglitter is very hard for me and reruns are really far way
@jamiekb9v
@jamiekb9v Жыл бұрын
Great topic! I also covered this in an old “Pull for who you like” video. The other thing about Xingqiu only running every 5-6 months is that if a player missed his last banner, they might have been playing for half a year then they might have already got 36* and are no longer a beginner. Since many creators make guides for players getting their first 36 star it can make guides almost redundant 😮
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Very true
@oatsandtoast
@oatsandtoast Жыл бұрын
This is so true. New players are so screwed these days on trying to get really good 4 stars, off banner or not you could wish for a Fischl and get a Dori. You could wish for a Xingqui and get a Kaveh and the stardard banner is so much worse! You literally don't know what you're gonna get. This isn't 1.0 when there were like 10 4 stars. I've been playing since 2.x and haven't c6'd a single 4 star. Going for the 4 star equivalent 5 stars like Yelan or Kazuha is so much easier when you don't have the 4 stars or they're at lower cons. It's only going to get worse in later patches if they keep releasing mid/ dogwater 4 stars to dilute the wishing pool.
@c4_ro
@c4_ro Жыл бұрын
fun fact i am ar 55 i have 6 5star characters and am still missing Xingqiu , i got Kokomi before him cuz my only hydro character was Barbara
@ericmathew6141
@ericmathew6141 Жыл бұрын
Im AR 55 with no Bennet or Xinqiu and only 3 5 star characters with only 1 of them being Limited
@planetary-rendez-vous
@planetary-rendez-vous Жыл бұрын
If you've been playing for this long you could have bought him tbh.
@c4_ro
@c4_ro Жыл бұрын
@@planetary-rendez-vous I stared in early may this year
@planetary-rendez-vous
@planetary-rendez-vous Жыл бұрын
@@c4_ro already at AR 55?? WTF 😂 😂
@c4_ro
@c4_ro 11 ай бұрын
@@planetary-rendez-vous yep actually even got a video with it when i pulled for koko , it doesn't show my profile but you can see my characters are lvl 90 and check my uid
@oyfum2638
@oyfum2638 Жыл бұрын
As a player that started in 2.8 I can definitely confirm. Took me probably 3 months to get my first copy of Bennet. 5 months to get my first copy of Xinqiu.
@Eretol
@Eretol Жыл бұрын
I started playing during the yelan/hu tao banner, and i did not do a single wish on that banner becuase i still wasnt sure if that was how i was supposed to be using my primos. I still have not gotten xingqiu meanwhile i have now got a c6 mika and razor which are characters im not even using :D (lost 50/50 on eula which i almost just wanted because i had c6 mika)
@arlaratman862
@arlaratman862 Жыл бұрын
I remember doing that when I first started; lost quite a few primos to the standard banner lol
@demilade3260
@demilade3260 Жыл бұрын
I started playing in the version before that banner, I still regret not getting him and yelan🥲
@Blackoutdmc
@Blackoutdmc Жыл бұрын
The best part is, youre never guarenteed to get copies of the four star character you want. Statistically, players can expect to get their desired 4 star in around 40 pulls. Since there is no pity system, outside of being guaranteed a 4 star every 10 wishes, theres a very real chance you get the five star character nefore you get more than one copy of the 4 star. Its happend to me with Faruzan/Wanderer, it happend as well with Kaveh/Baizhu. Its like everyone says, just pull for the 5 star characters.
@gdpaplays
@gdpaplays Жыл бұрын
My problem with limited character banners is I am getting more 4* weapons than characters like wth
@daviduliasz2437
@daviduliasz2437 Жыл бұрын
I feel like they should rate up a certain element for 4-stars in standard banner for each patch. Some sort of target pulling to hoard those acquaint fates for.
@sycamorewest
@sycamorewest Жыл бұрын
It's like the opposite problem of powercreep in other (gacha) games. Because older characters are so evergreen, their appearance on banners will inevitably be diluted by newer characters appearing who are stealing their showtimes, which conflicts with newer players who will have less opp. to pull for essential 'broken' chars / get constellations. If there is powercreep, new players will simply pull for the newer 4 stars and the olders 1s naturally fall by wayside
@ominoustincho
@ominoustincho Жыл бұрын
i'm experiencing this! i started playing almost 3 months ago and i already have everything at 100% exploration (a lot, i know lol) and even with all that grinding, exploration and farming i still feel super weak because im missing xingqiu and bennett, undoubtedly the best 4 stars. it feels sooo limiting and there are so many teams i want to build that include either of the two and i just can't because they're rerunning/available in the shop every half a year. imo, the same way they're going to implement 3 5 star banners, they should increase either to 5-6 4 stars per banner, or even better, 2 sets of 3 4-stars and let you choose which set to pull, sorta like the weapon banner feature
@quochuyduong9421
@quochuyduong9421 Жыл бұрын
this is wrong , u don't need the best 4* star to feel strong you need somoene who knows the game well and helps you to create good team I suggest you to create "HYPERBLOOM Team" Normally you have barbara/collei/a damn electro unit that's it bro , build them correctly ( FULL ELEMENTAL MASTERIES ) and godamn u will feel better In the early of sumeru , ppl tried razor hyperbloom and it works but nilou , al haitham came out and they were created for enhancing dendro reaction so ppl forget old teams. there is a lot of big meta player that can help you with your account so ask them Don't trust ppl that say there is only few viable character or YOU ABSOLUTLY NEED BENNETT blablabla , they don't know the game if they think that and the essence of the game
@poxelus
@poxelus Жыл бұрын
I also started to play relatively recently(about 5.5-6 months ago), but I got pretty much every broken 4*. I couldn't get Fischl, but planned my spending and saved starglitter to buy her a month ago. The thing with my account I've noticed is that I've got a lot of Dendro characters, so I'm pushed into making dendro teams, which are not using Bennett (for the most part) for example. Xingique on the other hand...
@yukichan177
@yukichan177 Жыл бұрын
@@poxelus its a waste to pay starglitter for 4* u cant get as long as you keep summoning
@yukichan177
@yukichan177 Жыл бұрын
if u feel weak it means your artifacts are bad... u dont need these characters to be strong XDDD as long as the character u play with are build right, not having a certain 4\5* doesnt make u weak.
@misguidedmeat
@misguidedmeat Жыл бұрын
kinda unrelated but as someone at ar59 who started playing 2 years ago, HOW DO YOU HAVE 100% EXPLORATION EVERYWHERE? i only have mond and liyue 100 and some parts of inazuma brooo what 😭
@nikolafrybova5251
@nikolafrybova5251 11 ай бұрын
As someone who's been playing for over two years, I can confirm I don't have C6 Xingqui. I have C4 and I got almost all copies of him as a reward in an event. As a Hu Tao main, this hurts me deeply.
@flagoul
@flagoul Жыл бұрын
Great video. I started playing at the end of last year during Yae Miko's banner and I felt every problem you mentioned. Getting a 4* you want can be really rough for new players. In my case, it was Bennett and Xingqiu. I saw everyone using them, but couldn't manage to get any of them until maybe 5 months in when they were available in the store. Before that, I tried getting them on the rare banners when they were featured (such as yelan's and dehya's), but always ended up getting other 4* chars or weapons. It was a pretty painful experience. Having an epitomized path for 4* and/or having more of them rotating in the shop would be a blessing.
@arlaratman862
@arlaratman862 Жыл бұрын
especially some of the newer characters
@EsIstWieEsIstNe
@EsIstWieEsIstNe Жыл бұрын
Same here, still without xing cause i didnt have enough starglitter last time he was in shop.... pure pain.
@John_II
@John_II Жыл бұрын
I agree with the epitomized path for 4* characters. I would personally love to see it on the standard banner in general. Path 1 would be more expensive but it would be for a 5* character or weapon. Path 2 would be for the 4* of your choice. I would take the 4* characters out of the starglitter shop because when do you ever have 34 master starglitter? (Maybe you do, I don't ever).
@CRandyGamble
@CRandyGamble Жыл бұрын
I agree, I'd love to see some kind of path or way to select 4 stars. I get that they want money so they're unlikely to change but it would make the game more fun and interesting because you could build it on purpose instead of on accident.
@penichilling
@penichilling 11 ай бұрын
It took me 140 wishes to get a single copy of Layla on the first banner she ran on and that was when I realized how truly awful the 4* pity system (or lack thereof) was. I desperately wanted her, but it took me more wishes to get her than some 5*s that I've pulled for.
@hintofinsanity
@hintofinsanity Жыл бұрын
I would argue that you are not thinking about the star glitter shop in the right way. We reccive a random 4 star character or weapon on average every 8 pulls. Instead you can spend 7 pulls in the starglitter shop to get a specific 4 star character instead. This seems like a deal to me since you need to be spending the pulls to get the 4 star regardless. In the shop not only are you getting what you pay for, but it is even cheaper than the average gacha rate for any 4 star pull let alone the rate for pulling the specific character you want.
@markstewardson4006
@markstewardson4006 Жыл бұрын
true but spending on pulls gets you closer to the 5 star units which for the most part are superior.
@dancingartteacher6933
@dancingartteacher6933 Жыл бұрын
The problem with the shop is that each character only rotates twice a year there. I have a c6 Lisa. Bought her from the shop twice. She only appeared in May and Nov if I remember correctly )or was that kaeya). Twice a year in the shop is pretty bad.
@MaiMaiMai22222
@MaiMaiMai22222 Жыл бұрын
Im a new player, started this year haha. I agree, its really hard to get c6 4 stars. I only really think about the 5 stars tbh, i got really lucky with my current cast of characters. But i dont have bennett or fischl (i got lucky and got xingqui, additionally kuki, layla, and yaoyao + others but yk) 😭 hopefully theyre on a banner where i want the 5 star !!
@Alx56
@Alx56 Жыл бұрын
bennett comes in november i think in shop
@MaiMaiMai22222
@MaiMaiMai22222 Жыл бұрын
@@Alx56 assuming i have enough starglitter :') thanks 4 the info !!
@CROSSMYHEARTREFUSETODIE
@CROSSMYHEARTREFUSETODIE Жыл бұрын
I disagree. I've started in sumeru and i have: C6 Sucrose, C6 Xinqiu, C6 Faruzan, c6 Mika and someone else who i don't play. And a looooot of c3-c4 chars. Just not the specific ones i want because i was investing in 5* first priority. It is the thing that you get more of certain 4*. So my Xinqiu was c12 for 150 pulls in reality. But only c4 Beidou and c3 Ningguang. My c6 Faruzan took only 100 pulls. But Rosaria whom i wanted is only c2 and Yanfei c3. It is easy to c6 - just not always whom you want. And yet some characters who you don't want at the moment will be godsend in the future for your teams. Like my c4 Beidou now is Eulas bestie in abyss. As for 4* who i don't have but want/desperately need: i wisged for Layla and Kuki and got two 5* in 40 pulls. You just have to be ready to get 5* while wishing for 4*. And also i buy Lisa, Fiscl and Kaeya for starglitter. And i will wish for more Candace cons no matter what 5* there is. Worth is only measurable by your own priority. If i get even one con for Candace in 100 pulls then i'm happy.
@Alx56
@Alx56 Жыл бұрын
@@CROSSMYHEARTREFUSETODIE hahaha you only have that cus you spent alot of money
@MaiMaiMai22222
@MaiMaiMai22222 Жыл бұрын
@@CROSSMYHEARTREFUSETODIE wowie lucky! I currently dont have any c6 4stars unfortunately :')
@mystery2580
@mystery2580 Жыл бұрын
You just reminded me of when I used 90 wishes on Nahida's weapon banner got 0 xiphos and lost the 75% for key or 1000 floating dreams
@kwayke9
@kwayke9 Жыл бұрын
I tried to get it when it was first released and got r3 evenstar in 12 pulls 😭 (my Nahida is happy now tho)
@TeamSakurasou
@TeamSakurasou Жыл бұрын
Adding a third banner is not a good solution, since eventually it will be 4 and 5 etc etc. Some people get their 5 star's from getting wishes from events\dailies\welkin during the character banner, so shortening them gives people less time and takes a bit of magic away from the banners. A solution I see is putting more 4 star's in the shop during rotations, and cheapening older characters down to say 20 instead of 34.
@mochacxke
@mochacxke 11 ай бұрын
The 4 star rerun problem is so annoying. There was a point in time where I mained Razor and it was during the period of time when he didn’t appear on a banner for so long
@pepelarrza3877
@pepelarrza3877 Жыл бұрын
I just dont understand why they are so reluctant to release a 5* Xiangling, just a good off-field pyro sub dps So far all the limited 5* Pyros were on field dps/hypercarry, they had their chance with Dehya but they blew it
@tonydai782
@tonydai782 Жыл бұрын
Saving it for Natlan
@kagutox1540
@kagutox1540 Жыл бұрын
Powercreep
@AzureDrag0n1
@AzureDrag0n1 Жыл бұрын
Might be saving it for pyro Archon.
@dub2459
@dub2459 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they need to think about doing a choose your own banner, just like the five star has two banners give players two options of four star characters to put on the banner.
@Laure__Line
@Laure__Line 11 ай бұрын
That’s why I like the permanent banner. The 4* you get is always a surprise, but slowly and surely, you get and build everyone one. I chose to build Collei because I got her c6 without trying. I’ll get a c6 Barbara at some point, even though her limited banners don’t seem to like me much. She’ll just appear randomly one day.
@Alx56
@Alx56 Жыл бұрын
To this day i still dont have Xingqiu and i started during Hu tau/Yelan banner where he was possible. i managed to get 70 pulls off but i didnt get him or any 5star. Im pulling for him on the next time he comes unless im guarantieed (not atm) or im getting him from shop soon
@raweltz
@raweltz Жыл бұрын
I remember he was free at one point and then every lantern rite you can get him there for free as well.
@Alx56
@Alx56 Жыл бұрын
@@raweltz sadly there hasnt been any the last 7 months
@MO-zk8qs
@MO-zk8qs Жыл бұрын
Jeez, why not just buy one in starglitter shop?
@doctorezio
@doctorezio Жыл бұрын
Got c2 Wanderer while pulling for Faruzan consts, she is still c2. Getting specific 4* is a joke, for sure. And, the worst part of it: to get her c6 I'm forced to wait for rerun or for lucky pull from standart or weapon, which is unlikely. Since there are plans on other 5* chars. Thats a life of a new player for ya. :D Started in the end of Nahida/Nilou rerun. Bennett in my dreams, lol.
@davidcoalson2149
@davidcoalson2149 Жыл бұрын
Been playing for nearly 4 months and I do not have Bennet, Xingqiu, or Sucrose yet. Bennett was in the shop shortly after I started but I didn't have the resources to get him yet. I'm really waiting for either of them to come back around, it sucks seeing 95% of teams and content creators talk about abyss clear and they essentially always include those characters.
@xeskoxesko6300
@xeskoxesko6300 Жыл бұрын
in theory i read they willbe giving one free benet but im not sure
@danedavid6925
@danedavid6925 Жыл бұрын
Well then maybe Hoyoverse should make the newer 4 stars better or even up to par
@Alx56
@Alx56 Жыл бұрын
Xingqiu is september and Bennett is November in shop
@xeskoxesko6300
@xeskoxesko6300 Жыл бұрын
but i mean as free character in one event like they give free one on the event ithat is going now
@Valkirth
@Valkirth Жыл бұрын
really good video jello, as someone who has been playing for like a year and a half I have come across alot of the issues you mentioned such as not getting the characters I want, tbh the only characters I have gotten from the star glitter was fischl and a few others to reach certain breakpoints (such as beidou's C2), I still don't have alot of the OG characters such as Qiqi, diluc, keqing even after probably thousand's of pull's at this point so having a epitomised path would be nice on the character banner's.
@mia-chan6484
@mia-chan6484 11 ай бұрын
0:41 You get a 4* every 10 wishes either a weapon or a character, and you only got a 5* usually every 70 wishes or every 55 whatever the average ends up being. Jello Impact ~ 01.08.2023
@santabakure6264
@santabakure6264 Жыл бұрын
I spent over 100 wishes to get Faruzan and I got 1 copy of her😊 And 2 copies of wanderer…
@BluecoreG
@BluecoreG Жыл бұрын
Noelle hasn't been seen for 13 banners, that's almost 9 months! Some people might call that a blessing, but I actually want her c6 so I'd like her to appear soon. You get a noelle for free, and she has appeared in the shop twice since her last rerun, so players could potentially already have c2 without ever seeing her rate up
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Wow true I’m only at c3
@danny8747
@danny8747 11 ай бұрын
you get a noelle for free?????? how????
@_julliasbook.
@_julliasbook. 11 ай бұрын
The same problem goes for characters like Chongyun. Does anyone recall Chongyun's last banner? It feels like we haven't gotten him in a banner for years. I know that not many people care about Chongyun, but for my experience he was surprisingly a good unit with my Xingqiu. He and Noelle and possibly other characters like Razor can carry you to some point at the game until you decide to bench them for whatever units you want like Kokomi, Raiden or Nahida or any other whether four or five star you'd ever think of. Yeah, this is one of the worst problems Genshin has with their four stars and five stars. An example of this is also Eula, which we got before I was typing this but still Hoyo did her dirty and you will see or have seen why. (Hints: The sales. Compare Yelan and Hu Tao's reruns to Eula and a certain someone's, some may know who I am talking about here.) 😬 Hope Noelle, Chongyun and other characters haven't been treated like these two, hope Hoyo brings them back someday. And Eula deserves better.
@paulokabateraine4613
@paulokabateraine4613 11 ай бұрын
@@danny8747 she's guaranteed on the beginner banner
@anasazmi8554
@anasazmi8554 11 ай бұрын
A this point, a lot of new 4* characters (plus Dehya) seem to be not worth pulling because you need their constellations for them to be any good, and 4* constellations are rarer than 5* ones (at least you WILL eventually get C6 of a 5* character if you pull up to 180*6 times). At least most 5* characters (minus Dehya and arguably Klee) are good at C0.
@mang755
@mang755 11 ай бұрын
As a player since version 1.0 I can't even imagine what the game must feel like for newer players. I have all the older 4 stars at c20- c30 (according to my wish tracking app) and as for the newest ones? I still have no kaveh or kirara on my account though I pulled for the 5* on their banners. mika I have only at c2 and I gave up on ever making my eula functional because I really didn't want to accidentally waste pity on any more of hers (or ayaka's or shenhe's) constellations trying to c6 him. as a wanderer simp I threw almost 400 wishes on his banner and still only got c4 faruzan. the difference in trying to get newer 4* compared to the old ones is insane and that is not to even say how much more constellation dependant they are, it's honestly so bad
@aivlz7063
@aivlz7063 Жыл бұрын
I was trying to get a chongyun and kirara copy and I only got yoimiya and yun jin. Being a newer f2p player I don't have much primos or chances to get a lot of primos (I don't like exploration) So I rely on 4 stars but its so hard to get good ones especially older ones.
@gabrielmaican9582
@gabrielmaican9582 Жыл бұрын
Most of the primos are locked behind exploration
@aakashsinha9641
@aakashsinha9641 Жыл бұрын
Im playing for like 1+ years, I have yet to get Xingqiu, Im F2p, back then I didnt knew about starglitter shop. I ended up getting Cyno but only got 2 cons for Bennett in Cyno's rerun, funny this is Collei got to c6 and then everyone told be both Cyno and Collei are bad/ had cost characters one more thing Im kaeya main and F2p so I dont have that many starglitters, I always have to take consideration on spending on buy characters from shop, I have to go for Keaya's cons
@Marz333
@Marz333 Жыл бұрын
Invest into your Cyno lol he has good damage just flexibility issues, his play style is like Xiao or Itto being pretty selfish for field time and support
@mangshu21
@mangshu21 Жыл бұрын
A xingqiu on his own is much better than kaeya cons and on top of that he will compliment kaeya.
@ytwildwolf1535
@ytwildwolf1535 Жыл бұрын
Let them give out 6 options of 4 stars for a banner but you do the epitomized path for all 3 and then those 3 would all have a higher drop chance for your banner so that you can almost “pick” from a choice of 6 which 3 you’d like to see more frequently when pulling
@0002pA
@0002pA 11 ай бұрын
I personally don't understand why they don't just put more 4-stars into the monthly rotation of buyable characters from the shop. Because sometimes you just need one constellation for a character. I don't get why they won't let you buy more than one however. The path idea is great, but Hoyo is way too greedy for that.
@amouramarie
@amouramarie Жыл бұрын
I started right after that Xingqiu banner in March. I'm AR55 and I don't have either Bennett or Xingqiu. I'm going to get Yelan on her next banner before I get a Xingqiu. (He may have been in the shop, but I didn't know any better and spent all my glitter on wishes.) At this point my resentment is such that I don't WANT to play Bennett or XQ and I'm not going to wish for them specifically. 😆
@jennamarkson5073
@jennamarkson5073 Жыл бұрын
I'm in the same boat, me and my boyfriend started playing in june together and he got bennett from standard (I'm jealous) 😭I'm so sick of seeing every team comp I look at requiring one of them
@otaviomachado2945
@otaviomachado2945 Жыл бұрын
My first time playing genshin was in the beginning of the game. I got fischl, xinqiu and some constellations for both, but I quit before 2021. I came back in october 2021 and didn't stop playing until these days. I have some really good 4 stars, but now I have a lot of redundant characters as well. I'm never excited about any new 4 stars because I know they won't be good or they will be very niche and they will make it harder for me to get the good ones
@clankplusm
@clankplusm 10 ай бұрын
A reminder, averaging point is 62.5 for a 5 star and somewhere a bit north of that for a rateup 5 star (I wanna say 100-110), the averaging point for 7 pulls (C6 from nothing) of a rateup 4 star is 231. C6 4 stars are actually over twice as expensive statistically than 5 stars, and technically have no hard pity And I say this as a diehard C2 collei main waiting even now for a proper banner: Pull for the 5 star, not the 4 star
@Grievous-nx3iu
@Grievous-nx3iu Жыл бұрын
Thank you for bringing this to light. During cynos first banner i managed to pull c1 cyno and one jean but never got a kuki (who i really wanted). Meanwhile i got 5 sayus and 3 candaces. Genshin really needs a guaranteed way to give us specific 4 stars on banner.
@featherless2524
@featherless2524 Жыл бұрын
I been playing on and off since launch and I only have 4 c6 4 stars. Noelle, Yanfei, Razor, and Barbara. I barely got xiangling c1 and I got her c0 from one of the launch events. Xingqiu has been c3 for a year and half. Fischl c5 for a year(I'll roll her c6 eventually anyways, was my thought process). Don't plan on using Mr. "My Daddies" but hes like c2 or something.
@Magneto2606
@Magneto2606 Жыл бұрын
I agree as a not so new player (jumped in from 3.4). Getting C6 Xingqiu was not bad as I was pulling Yelan (140 wishes, and I got C6 Beidou too which I love a lot to use), but getting C4 Xiaoling was such a pain as a result of C2 Kazuha (190wishes). I am not F2P but I never go for constellations of any 5* as it is my personal rules to protect my wallet, but what can I do if I got 7-8 Yaoyao before first Xiaoling?
@JP-jd8wc
@JP-jd8wc Жыл бұрын
what a solid video, really detailed and highly accurate; great job
@ryzhik9608
@ryzhik9608 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for speaking up about it! I was thinking about this for a long time and it's nice to see you share the same opinion!
@Alex04blue868
@Alex04blue868 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been playing since launch and I have not gotten a single copy of xingqiu from the gacha I literally got Ganyu instead of getting him. The only reason why I have a copy of him and only copy is because of the first lantern right where you got to pick a 4 star character.
@kaifbhatkar541
@kaifbhatkar541 Жыл бұрын
From the past 2.5 years....u only got 1 xq?
@kazuhah1743
@kazuhah1743 Жыл бұрын
the starglitter shop exists
@Alex04blue868
@Alex04blue868 Жыл бұрын
@@kazuhah1743 yeah i know, I’m just saying that I have not gotten a copy of him from the gacha at all.
@Alex04blue868
@Alex04blue868 Жыл бұрын
@@kaifbhatkar541 yeah. and not even from the gacha. It was an event
@ButtKraken01
@ButtKraken01 Жыл бұрын
The fact that both 5-star banners each patch have the same 4-stars is against us too. Because there's only 3 open slots each patch, the 4-star you want to get has even less of a chance of being featured over time.
@axelvinicius3365
@axelvinicius3365 Жыл бұрын
That's untrue though. Some 4 stars are locked into specific 5 stars banners like Kujou Sara or Faruzan. I want Sara for Keqing and Faruzan for Heizou. The only way I have of getting them is wishing for the other 5 star banner.
@Aro-Tarot
@Aro-Tarot Жыл бұрын
That's very true with the 4-stars. With Xingqui as the example, I had that happen when I started playing again. I had only played a little, only part way through Liyue, so I didn't really know or at least remember about the shop when I started playing again earlier this year. I was basically a new player with a Eula. It took me about 2 1/2 months, I don't think it was quite 3, to get Xingqui. I didn't know he was in the shop for a few weeks when I came back or that he wouldn't return again for another six months, so I just didn't have him. I had Mona, who I had lost to early before getting Ayaka, and Barbara from before. I did end up getting Candance, but I ended up just playing Freeze and then Hyperbloom with Mona until I finally got him off-banner.
@wafflewaifu7651
@wafflewaifu7651 Жыл бұрын
I accidentally wasted my guaranteed on a Kazuha con trying to get Xiangling cons. Jello is right, as a relatively new player, my 4*s are waaay behind in cons than most players. My Heizou is at c6 while Xingqiu is at c0 lol
@MasterMarioMX
@MasterMarioMX Жыл бұрын
that's actually a problem I experienced when I did my FTP challenge: I got Dory before kuki and it was a pain to use since she was the only electro healer I had at the time.
@NoNameCherry
@NoNameCherry Жыл бұрын
Luckily, the 2 4 stars I wanted to crown (well, one crowned so minus 1), are at C6 already, and I got those cons early. What I need now though are resources. Being a completionist with zero map and zero chests, any new map added is a map appreciated for sure. I'm eagerly anticipating Fontaine. Not because I look forward to new characters, but for the chance to build the ones I already have.
@lightfoxZZ
@lightfoxZZ Жыл бұрын
Honnestly, the star glitter shop was also worth it in my case: I started playing right after Bennet's last banner appearance, and getting him was a total game changer for me!
@ratnadipukey3071
@ratnadipukey3071 Жыл бұрын
We also get weapons on the character banner which is even worst
@jonathanvue6502
@jonathanvue6502 Жыл бұрын
Not only do having so many characters make it more difficult to C6 them, but also the screen time they could get to build on their story gets split amongst the others or perhaps Hoyo might just neglect it to focus mainly on new characters. Even after 2 years, the starting characters have rarely gotten any screen time. Example: Kaeya baiting you with a family treasure to lure the Treasure Hoarders and we see he isn't on great terms with Diluc --- showing up at Sumeru for some sort of business and reveals he's a descendant of Khaenra. This took TWO YEARS for us to get this information. Every other character is pretty much the same, and it's a shame considering some characters are extremely important for the player to figure out what truly happened during Khaenra's distruction.
@austinwirtz2434
@austinwirtz2434 Жыл бұрын
You basically just need to hope they put the 4 stars that support the 5 star character you want on their banner otherwise no shot of C6
@Tomy_Lightning
@Tomy_Lightning 11 ай бұрын
I think we need lantern rite type event for all the regions so that you can get 4-stars of other regions than just Liyue.
@destinyhelenaxo
@destinyhelenaxo Жыл бұрын
As always, great video! And great points. I see you hit 5k subs. Congrats and hope you got your sushi :)
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Sushi tomorrow :D
@chandlerburres4678
@chandlerburres4678 Жыл бұрын
Literally the main reason why i love honkai star rail is because it has definitive roles, literally my main issue with genshin is that there's no real definitive classes😭😭😭
@phatpat63
@phatpat63 Жыл бұрын
Hot take: This is actually a big, big part of why the community thinks the old 4 stars are so much better; because old players got their constellations maxed very early, and every other 4 star takes more and more time to get to that level (and that's before you even take the shop into account). Those opinions then get rooted in people's heads.
@drekhunter
@drekhunter Жыл бұрын
Kind of, some are just bad, No matter what you do Kaveh is badly designed, no matter what you do Dori can't compete with Kuki, taking longer to get to C6 just makes them feel worse but Yao Yao for example is pretty good at any constellation, Bennett is meh at C0 but he works to the full potential at C1, Xiangling is good but the constellations make her a beast. So yeah what you say plays a part but some are just underwhelming.
@Blackoutdmc
@Blackoutdmc Жыл бұрын
No, old four stars are definitely better than the new ones. There's is no universe when someone can tell me c6 Candace is gonna outshine c0 Xingqiu. Or Dori is better than Kuki/Fischle. Or any DPS 4 star to come out in the last 2 years is stronger than Xiangling. Fact is, these day 1 four stars were absolutely loaded for their own various reasons, especially for them being generalist. These newer 4 stars tend to lean more towards the specialist side, but either don't do it effectively (Mika) or take a lot of investment (Faruzan) to get to that point. Another good comparison is Diona and Layla. Layla has a stronger shield, and with constellations, a buff to NA/CA damage. While Diona comes with her albeit weaker shield, but also healing, enemy damage reduction, battery, aoe cryo application, EM buff, move speed increase and cleansing. 4 stars are not built the same anymore.
@alexownn382
@alexownn382 Жыл бұрын
Nah, these 4* are perfectly usable and broken at c0. For some their const are making them better, but they’re not necessary. Like how Faruzan’s c6 have more broken quality and comfort than Bennett’s c1? Why Sara can buff better than Bennett only if she’s c6? And these are characters for very specific team comps, while Bennett is very universal.
@mangshu21
@mangshu21 Жыл бұрын
Nah i disagree, at c0 every single one of them is still quite good. I have them at low cons on my alt f2p account, they still slap and with mediocre artifacts. These characters are just fundamentally good.
@phatpat63
@phatpat63 Жыл бұрын
​@@Blackoutdmc As someone who started playing less than a year ago and got most of those characters early, that just doesn't track with my experience. I have all the National 4 stars with 1-4 constellations, and they're _alright_. But they aren't comparable to most c0 5 stars, and they don't blow newer 4 stars out of the water. I've had Xangling at c1 for about six months, and Candice at c1 for about 4 months, and I'm glad you like your Xangling and all, but man, they DO NOT compare the way you think they do. That's two years worth of constellations, artifact farming, team comp experimentation, practice with the character, and community-wide confirmation bias talking. Yes, Dori sucks, but so does Beidou frankly. Even tazer Kuki is vastly superior to Fischl anything. Collei is vastly underrated. And Fischl, Beidou, and Benny were my first 3 pulls. Even with everyone online singing and screaming about how superior the old 4 stars are, when you're starting with them all on equal footing that illusion just doesn't manifest itself.
@finebook281
@finebook281 Жыл бұрын
You'll eventually get a 4 star that you want even if you don't go hard on a featured banner, and some 1.0 4 stars are in starglitter shop and all Liyue 4 stars are in Lantern Rite, and events frequently give free 4 stars, so 4 stars are still much more f2p friendly than 5 stars
@yourfbibuddysteve
@yourfbibuddysteve 11 ай бұрын
That is actually a thing that I subconsciously was aware but didn't know this was why it was. Every channel recommends Xingqiu, but it took me a while to get him, legit 3 months ago, and I only have him as C0. I made him lvl 70, made him a few artifact, but didn't really had that wow effect I was looking for. He is nice, but there are many other characters I prefer over him, thus I never actually use him. It is interesting to see why many people use him, and it makes sense that in the early game with fewer characters people used him more and realized all the benefits his kit or constellation has that us late players don't notice or need in order to get high damage or fun game play. They also have the 4 stars uneven on the banners, some are more popular than others, it is nice to see others acknowledge it! Great video
@FliponYT
@FliponYT Жыл бұрын
First
@nightsabre6425
@nightsabre6425 Жыл бұрын
Put this on Flip's permanent record for his future Genshin Court
@kwonza-gamingandanime5727
@kwonza-gamingandanime5727 11 ай бұрын
It's very interesting to see this kind of issue come up for newer players. Probably unheard of for any veteran players to not have C6 of the mentioned characters-probably just a result of being there for the pool of characters being tiny. I'm pretty sure I have like a C78 Noelle or something by now.
@snailie1367
@snailie1367 Жыл бұрын
I've been playing since 1.3 and I STILL do not have a single copy of Sucrose, and since she's one of the two 1.0 four stars not in the shop, there's zero recourse.
@JelloImpact
@JelloImpact Жыл бұрын
Damn
@kiraflo98
@kiraflo98 Жыл бұрын
It's just baffling that things like the shop have not been updated (pretty much) since Genshin came out. With how necessary certain 4 stars are for some 5 stars and how important constellations are for some 4*, they really just need to put at least the constellations into the shop for all 4 stars. And I don't mean on a rotation. No, all 4* cons should be available at all times. Other features that need overhauling is the standard banner, with them planning on adding more and more characters to it, an epitomized path needs to be implemented here.
@yuuichimakoto
@yuuichimakoto 11 ай бұрын
I remember i had to wait for Inazuma so i get Thoma to explore dragon spain, because i didn't have Bennett or Diluc back then.
@TwoOfSpears
@TwoOfSpears Жыл бұрын
4* banner and 5* banner by region: it’d be great and have them earn so much money they’d stop counting
@Moonlight___2
@Moonlight___2 11 ай бұрын
In the kokomi-wanderer banner I made about 120-130 wishes and I got like 9 Faruzan and 2-3 Yanfeis but no Rosaria. And I wanted Rosaria because I didn't have her and now I gotta wait for her rerun...
@PhoachPlaylist
@PhoachPlaylist 11 ай бұрын
4 stars should have that optimized path option. Just like how the weapon banner has that after enough polls that aren't what you want, you are guaranteed to get the one you choose. This is one way I think they can make Four stars free to play frendly for a forever growing roster.
@TheHeArTStRiKe
@TheHeArTStRiKe 9 ай бұрын
The problem is, to resolve the character bloat as the game is getting older they added the 2nd event banner with a different 5*. However both banners have the exact same 4*s. So you're often times stuck waiting longer for your 4*s than your 5*s, which doesn't make sense.
@HaddBradd
@HaddBradd Жыл бұрын
Everyone: Please add the epitomized path to 4 stars on both weapon and character banner, sometimes we need to spend over 200 wishes for a single 4 star Hoyo: Nuh uh it 1/30 trust me AR60 (2.6 I think), never got Xiangling from wishing, spent 210 wishes early on as a Ningguang main and never got a constellation, missing almost all the 4 stars during Sumeru (I don't even have Candace and its been almost a year already)
@Ulquiorra_Cifer
@Ulquiorra_Cifer 11 ай бұрын
from some unconfirmed leaks i saw that there is a possibility we will get a triple banner schedule after 6 months which kinda helps a liiiiitle bit with wishing for 4 stars cuz now u are very likely u'll want at least one of the 3 so u won't feel that bad for wishing for a 4 star as much as now but still it's a pretty big problem
@muto7825
@muto7825 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff, great vid!
@sqrivx
@sqrivx 11 ай бұрын
I've pulled on every banner Candace has been on (although its only like 2) and i haven't gotten a single one and she's the only 4 star i dont have 😭
@spiritcomics5655
@spiritcomics5655 Жыл бұрын
Good video!! I recently got Lisa's C2 when I was wishing for Klee's C6 (which I also got). I'm having a blast playing Eula (C0)! I found a potential way to give her a boost in strength using one of the most hated characters in the game, Barbara.
@lemonbunny71
@lemonbunny71 Жыл бұрын
How is that possible? As far as I know Lisa isn't included in any of the limited banners 😮 I had to "waste" several hundred wishes for Kaeya on standard banner because getting starter constellations is the biggest pain this game has to offer.
@ZanathKariashi
@ZanathKariashi Жыл бұрын
@@lemonbunny71 She's never featured on a limited banner, but she is in the standard pool, which means you can get her on a lost 50/50. I got my 2 pulled Kaeya cons from limited wishes as well (though I just bought the rest since i had the starglitter saved up to do it). the only tutorial character i didn't buy Cons for was Amber who was actually my 2nd C6'd character which i rolled 12 times in the first 4 months of playing (my first C6 was Barbara, who I rolled 6 times on the beginner banner).
@spiritcomics5655
@spiritcomics5655 Жыл бұрын
@@lemonbunny71 I don't know, but it happened. I got C3 Xinyan yesterday moring when wishing for Kokomi. I got Gorou when I was wishing for Klee's constellations.
@jeremyfang1624
@jeremyfang1624 11 ай бұрын
GOD IVE BEEN PLAYING FOR 2 YEARS AS A RAIDEN MAIN AND I DONT HAVE A SINGKE BENNETT OR SARA OR MONA HOW TF AM I SIPPOSED TO SHOWCASE GOD PLS SOMEONE SAVE ME FROM THIS AGONY
@albion2339
@albion2339 11 ай бұрын
the amount of work I had to put into my candace to get regular 100K E's was insane.
@floofrules
@floofrules Жыл бұрын
This is so true tho, it took me 75 pulls to get ONE Faruzan, and I got 2 Yanfei and 1 Rosaria, and lost 50/50 to Tighnari (not complaining I love him) in the process. It's ridiculous.
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