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"those kids are not going to college, they are going to jail." I laughed too hard at that

If you're in college, and you have an OnlyFans, it might completely nullify the value of college. It may be harder to find an employer that won't care about your side business.

I knew a few people that openly cheated on AP tests, proceeded to get caught and the school refused to reprimand them. The reason the school didn’t punish those students was due to the fact that those students got into CAL and the school wanted to collect more money based on their acceptance.

“You only succeed if you go to college” “College only accepts people who’d be successful anyways” Okay.

Damn, he just call philosophy and literature "meme degrees" lmao

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I'm from iraq and English is my second language ofc, i can understand everything you speak 100% You are correct I learnt English from KZfaq tech videos I liked this video, you explained everything so good

I've recently finished my post grad CS degree, and contemplating doing a PhD. I am currently working as a software engineer to get some experience of how industry functions before taking my academic studies further however, and i'm glad I did. Uni taught me a lot of nice theoretical concepts (as well as let me find out I really love academic research), however for software engineering it was borderline useless outside of giving me a "hey look at me!" piece of paper. Here in the UK degrees are handed out like candy at shit unis so i'd argue one is very beneficial but not essential for getting a job in tech. Something I wish my lecturers told me was that what I do in my own time is more important than in class: Work on open source projects, learn more about programming, build real experience.

I’m kinda regretting college. I like to learn things hands on. Like an apprenticeship. But I’m doing this for my parents not me

From India here.....here things are even worse The college curriculum is like 10-15 years old for computer science which makes no sense

"You usually take an English class every year" Me, a tech student in AU: you *what*

I recently had to participate in a program where we as a class were forced to write to 10 year olds and get them excited about college. I openly stated that this was a toxic outlook to the professor and she said something along the lines of ‘they are potentially the first generation in their family to go to college’. So? Who gives a fuck? So I ended up teaching the kid that college may be worth it if what they are wanting to do requires it, because the amount of loans you will have to take out will never make anything less than a tech job or a medical field job even worth it to basically break even. You do not need college to be successful, we just think that we need it.

I'm a last year engineering student at a European university, and the best thing I've got out of university is the perseverance to learn more when I encounter a problem I don't know how to solve. Maybe I could have learned that in a different setting also, I don't know. When it comes to the point about IQ, you are correct that no amount of studying will affect it. An engineering degree is more akin to if you were starting a code project and you were provided with a whole bunch of useful libraries you can use so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel.

Great points. I had to withdraw for medical reasons in Fall 2018 and I haven't gone back. It was a blessing in disguise because otherwise, I'd be taking courses on Zoom, hosted by professors that haven't been properly trained to use it, for a degree I wouldn't know what to do with when I earned it. The best thing about college was the relationships I built. My only regret is not studying abroad. I didn't belong in college and neither do a lot of people. It's amazing how much pressure there is to attend college by high schools and parents. I feel sorry for anyone that is disowned by their parents just because they chose not to go - truly ridiculous.

Collage today totally fails at it's original goal of making well rounded educated adults. So it's value reflects that.

For me that lives somewhere that has public college, getting a degree isn't that terrible but the brainwashing is possibly some 10 times worse here

Well, this video just further proves that I dodged a massive bullet. I’ve researched a lot on this topic, and I’ve personally come to the conclusion that college isn’t right for me based on what I want to focus my career on.

As a swede who spent 6 years in university, I can honestly say that it was the biggest waste of time and money of my life.

Yo, here is the thing, I was in a small town... And there were multiple kids who got into what their dad or mom did. Installing doors, doing pavement/driveways, home repair, metal and wood working. By the time I did 2 years of college they were looking at buying a county house.

Well, I went to college for one reason, being able to become a scientist, what is often overlooked is the cutting edge research universities are doing. Though yes, a lot of classes are quite useless...

I'm in my late 30s now, but looking back on the process in high-school it's sickening how poor the advice being given to young people is. @1:40 when you're saying that all of the teachers and administrators were pushing literally every person to go to college, I had the same experience and it's terrible advice. There's no consideration for factors like the cost of the degree versus the incremental pay gains you could expect, no acknowledgement that some courses have a gigantic dropout rate, nor the opportunity cost for the four plus years it's going to take you to get through if all goes well. I made it through and made a career of it, but I know a lot of people who just sort of wandered in to the campus, got chewed up by it, and are still paying off the debt nearly two decades later. Contrary to what they told us the right answer isn't that everyone should go, and those of us who made it through don't make too much more than some of the guys who chose to swing a hammer instead.

I go to a technical college that is pretty much focused of getting you certifications and real life experience through internships. Personally it works for how I learn because if I sat down and just read a study guide for a certification I would fail every time. It has also gotten me a part time job as a system administrator after my internship ended which is nice. Definitely think that less people need to go to college overall though.

Hey there, just wanted to give my 2-cents, as someone who went through college (Undergrad + Grad) and is currently involved with teaching in academia. It is sad to say this, but at the end of the day, it all boils down to politics. As you mention in your video, you do not have to go to college/university at all. The only reason you are ever encouraged to go to college by anyone (expect loved ones) is because there is a monetary benefit at the end. There is a business deal between the government and schools, particularly universities. Pushing the minority train and the whole "school should be free and for everyone" only benefits politicians and those running the universities, as the money provided by the government officials, often with liberal mindsets, is then used to finance new buildings, buy the dean a new Tesla, and make the school a "better place." This does not improve the quality of the education in any way, nor encourages minorities to seek higher education. It is all a load of crap. They want to bring in people that have a higher chance of failing out of school, so that they can take the government money (or tax payers' money) and then blame the high drop-out rate on our society for being "too racist" or not "supportive enough" and continue feeding the endless cycle. I went through school as a minority and none of that supportive crap ever did anything for me. You are on your own the moment you walk in and you have to study and put in the effort if you want to succeed, just like everything in life. Also, you do make a good point when you bring up how much money you can make in some jobs that do not require a degree. However, for the same reason that my mom pushed me to go to college when I had the opportunity to do so, there is a certain lifestyle that you can enjoy if you become really good at your field. She knows the struggle of working 9 to 5 and living pay check to pay check, even when she went to a tech school and got her certifications. It is very different when you are paid for what you know, rather than what you can do (as in knowledge versus skills). Again, not saying that any job is lesser or more than any other, but being able to work in an office and making twice or three time as much as an oil rig worker just from looking at a blueprint and saying "yeah, that is not right, do it this way," really makes you feel like the investment for your education was well worth it (time and money). Again, I am sure you can get there after years of experience working your way up. Sadly, people put a lot of trust on a piece of paper. Lastly, a good majority of the faculty are actually pretty conservatives. However, you are not allowed to express or think in such a particular manner. See, this "agenda" being pushed by the school with the help of the government really affects professors. There are a lot of inner meetings and deals happening inside of the departments with respect to "who gets funded" or "who needs to go." Every department in college is like this big glob of ideals and liberal mindset that you get sucked into and you have to behave, otherwise you are out. It's scary, imagine working on a degree for 4 years, then a PhD for 5, then a post-doc for 1 or 2 more, only to find out that you are censored and the only way for you to do what you ever dreamed of is to be nice to everyone and get invited to all the coffee meetings. It is absolutely disgusting, but can you really blame the professors? Furthermore, the scholarly aspect of teaching is long gone because of this same idea. It is not about who is the best at teaching, it is about who can bring the most money to school in the form of grants, often sponsored by the government itself. Yeap, you guessed it, you better have a very diverse lab and be pretty diverse yourself, otherwise, your application might go unnoticed. Professors work crazy hours, but primarily because of the pressure from the departments. Heck, they don't even have time to become good at teaching! It is not even a requirement. As long as you can bring in tons of money to the school, you will be hold as the best and well renowned scholar and will go to full professor in no time! Anyway, just wanted to share my opinion. I agree with what you say in this video and I have been watching your videos for a while (they are amazing!). I really wish the whole school system changed and went back to being about teaching and creating scholars. As a side note, I am a controls engineer working in the aerospace industry. I got here because of government grants, so I am very grateful to all the tax payers who made it possible for me to obtain an education. However, I do think that schools have too much power and something needs to be done. Education should be free and open to everyone, but not at the expense of someone else. That is not free, that is bullshit. Sorry for the long comment, keep up the good work and I wish every single one of you out there the best of lucks in your careers!

Going to college was a big eye-opener for me. The amount of time and money they insisted that I waste on useless general classes that I already took in high school apalled me, and I dropped out immediately.

Hey I am in a Tradeschool/High School hybrid and can confirm that It was a better choice than staying at the shitty old school. I got some certifications already as a 11th grader and plan to go into IT. Glad to see your spreading the news of the world. :)

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I was pressured to go into university, it ruined 12 years of my life. Wasing 5 years there, and 7 years after trying to get a job in that field. I took online courses on udemy instead in something different and have a good career. Wish i knew that then.

"They are less than clueless". Brilliant!

Can’t be a civil engineer without a college degree. Great video though, I wish I had seen this before I graduated high school

Get some IRL experience before before you decide to go to college. I would rather work with someone who is barely literate than someone who's never been outside of an institution. If your degree doesn't have a shitload of math, you aren't in law, or isn't needed for a specific job(e.g. my town pays cops VERY well but requires them to either be ex-military or have a degree) you have the wrong major. If you aren't getting a free ride go to a community college first. Community college is cheaper and IME the professors are a lot less shitty, they're used to non-traditional students who will tolerate a lot less bullshit. EDIT: There are some jobs that you wouldn't expect to need a degree but you're better off with one, agriculture comes to mind.

Nowadays, we have Internet and you can teach yourself almost anything for free. I decided to go to university because it is free in my country(Greece) and I wanted to learn things that will me make a better human person (philosophy etc). If university education in your country is free, why don't you try it? On the other hand, I don't recommend paying money for education. It is really sad when you see education turning into a business.

As someone who is an econ major, I can say with absolute certainly that left wing propaganda isn't present in buisness colleges, but of course it varies from department to department and teacher to teacher. Also depends on what you're considering left wing propaganda.

Sad truth is I kinda knew college was a ripoff but my parents pressured me so much I really had to in the end, saying they would kick me out if I didn't.

I studied physics and have no regrets, I would go back do and do it again. The people I met, the teachers, the experience, the atmosphere, the long nights in the library, the dorm life, working on lab reports, research papers, to me it was all worth it, plus in the fields I'm interested in a degree is absolutely necessary.

Personal experience, I went to a big engineering university's "appendix" liberal arts college. And it was fraustrating because - yes, the college is useless at the time. But it helped me find a passion in a career now I want to pursue, and I was able to use its resources to get into a very tough master's program building up to said career. So while ridiculing the "usefulness" of college is popular, and often times proves to be exactly useless; as long you have a sense of direction and be willing to exploit all the institutional offerings - college is always a good option.

I really enjoy hearing you podcast-style. Please consider sharing your ideas in podcast format! Anyhow, really enjoying all the content.

Stuff like plumbing or bricklaying make a good amount of money and dont require a degree, and theyre also future proof jobs. People are gonna need houses, people are gonna need plumbing. Its not something you can replace.

So glad I found your channel man! I'm also in networking and this video absolutely resonated with me on several levels!

When i was studying Japanese a couple of years ago i started by learning by myself trough just watching raw anime and buying raw manga and learning hiragana and such and it was a blast. After a year or so i decided to study at college/uni and i absolutely hated it, the pace was insane which is not good for learning, the exams did not properly test the student's abilities at all and had strange and just really stupid rules. Almost all students in the class struggled immensely, (some quit) and i seriously started to dislike Japanese and almost quit altogether. Fast forward a couple of years of just immersion, sentence mining, reps and focusing on doing what i like i have gotten good enough to both work and live in Japan and having a blast. (And yes the teachers where bitter, like real bitter.)

When I was choosing my future university program, my teacher constantly reminded me to always check the lecturers/tutors of that programme since that was what I was paying for. She told me content and amenities is something you can find anywhere but the mentors are unique. Now I’m doing a dual Bachelors/Masters degree and happy with how I’m progressing since Ive got trusted mentors

I learn that college wasn't for me the hard way after paying for the first semester and I learned barely anything at all. Also I didn't even plan to go to college in the first place I was kinda pressured into it, but during my second semester when covid hit I saw that as an opportunity to quit college by far the best decision I made. I doing a lot better off than I ever was in college

Well said dude! I love your videos and I agree on everything you say, I watch all of your content and support you fully. This video definitely applies to me and I'm looking to just instead get a certification rather than a degree. I always was skeptical of college since middle school, and we were right man.

you're a rolemodel to me. thank you for making these videos.

It really depends on the field, there is such a high demand and low supply for IT now that yes, you don't have to worry about competing in order to still get invited at some point but if things change to where there are 80 applicants per jobposting then they are going to pick and choose the highest amount of workexperience and the highest degree.

It's all dependent on what you're trying to do in life. Going to college is just as valid as going to a trade school or getting certified in something. I wouldn't blindly tell every child to go to college, but I'd encourage them to really consider what job they want in the future and learn the requirements for that profession.

Might need to think about it, thanks for the talk

banger after banger after banger, your videos are great! I'd come to this conclusion long ago, but trust me when I say that there's a lot of people out there that need to hear what you're saying in this video

the way public schools are funded seems like a vicious cycle if anything, certain schools do worse in those "scores", therefore get less funding making them worse at educating people lowering the scores even further

As someone currently studying Veterinarian medicine. You only really need a college degree for a traditional STEM job. Thats it. Anything else can be self taught for the most part.

Dude...bro...this channel is stellar. I recently found you and am now digging through the back catalog.

Bro you have quickly became one of my favs to watch!

I started college for IT Application and Development and found that I do indeed enjoy coding. I'm not very proficient but I like building computers and maintaining legacy networks as a hobby so that's what I went for. BUT. I found that while I did really well in challenging classes like C#, Java, Database development, and IBMi RPG programming...the math, business, and phycology classes really bored the hell out of me. To the point that I dropped out. I already do kinda what I want to at my work..and everything else I do as a hobby. Somehow I got convinced to go back. I regret it. Not much money spent but I'm ready to just cut the cord. I've already got a foot in the door for E&I/Automation level network maintenance. I also find I learn concepts/programming better when I actually want to do it. Not when I'm forced to.

Bro I’ve never seen a content creator which I could agree in almost all Subjects. People like you should get more attention from the average public. So proud of you and keep doing this. If you see this comment. Thank you for all 🙏🏻

I love your videos. Your channel needs more attention. So that's why I am commenting

Your channel is literarly the most interesting thing i have found on youtube maybe beside physics and astronomy :p thank you for your work

I actually hit my head as a 2 year old and cracked my skull open. If it happens early enough and a "non essential" part of the brain is damaged, it is possible that OTHER parts of the brain become over-developed. I'm a super freak at math and physics, and I have a very strong physics based educational/vocational background, but I struggle socially. I also have a history of mental illness. Over-developed DOES mean faster abilities to compute complex problems, but it also means that the neural pathways are more likely to form connections that would not form in a "regular" brain. Connecting dots that should not connect in any logical sense, but it happens anyway. A lot of brilliant scientists fall into mental disarray nearing the end of their lives. It is also extremely difficult to relate to anybody because the thoughts happen so fast, that verbal expression of them is almost impossible. Before I get the chance to speak about what is on my mind, my mind has already shifted between 5 other topics. It honestly really sucks. :(

I remember saying in class "I don't believe I should go to college" and some coach just said "oh you're just lazy" and I just said "oh you are just marketing for a college so the school makes more money" and he didn't make a argument against it😂

You're cool dude i support all your points :)

This is one of the best videos about the nature of college that I have ever seen. Like you, I'm in Network Security. I went all the way through to getting a Master Degree to learn that I didn't even need a college degree to do what I'm doing now. I wish I would have seen this video when I was in high school (though that was before you were born). Honestly, this video should be mandatory for all high schoolers today.

Recommended reading: Economization of Education, by Joel Spring.

Here in Denmark its great, cuz it’s free. And it’s much more specialized.

Great ideas and ive observed the same things. You've earned a new subscriber :D

im actually a sophomore in high school right now, thanks for the advice. i think i still am going to college though (mostly because im planning to be one of those college-only professions) but i will be sure to tread carefully!

nice point about the state funding

I regret being in college now. I’m learning a lot of bullshit that doesn’t even correspond with my degree. One thing to add is that college is heavily theory based in many of their majors. I haven’t even gotten to point where I learn something actually useful. Things like learning how to code, I could’ve went to a boot camp and learned how to do it myself. In honesty college is dumb unless you are going to be nurse, engineer, doctor, or lawyer

You are excellent at teaching. I'm a technical blogger, and I learn a lot from you. Since I write about Linux distributions. Good stuff. The face behind the channel.

Love you, thanks =)

I went to college for a software development degree. I graduated with my associates degree and about 85% of my time and work spent in college had absolutely nothing to do with software development or technology at all. Overall I left feeling like I have just wasted my time and money learning things I could have taught myself in a month or two. One example was a class in which I "learned" C++ where in fact 90% of the work was writing about beginner level generic programming concepts and 10% of it was writing programs an eight year old could figure out. In the time window of my attendance of that class, I taught myself a huge amount of Lua for a hobby project and learned 100 times more about Lua than any class taught me about other languages during my enrollment. There goes nearly two years of my life and a massive amount of money which I could have used to actually help me in life.

A friend of mine who is a retired geophysicist and mathematician and has also been a teacher said to me that formal education stifles creativity.

What a well constructed video. I wish this was published like two earlier.

Truth as usual dude , keep it up

About a year ago I took an IT class (I was still high school age so it didn’t cost much) and half of the curriculum was public KZfaq videos. I learned more from those than from reading the actual textbook (that I had to pay for lol)

everything taught in college is in books, or online. learning how to learn is a better skill tbh. don't feed the scam lol

Very nice! This guy knows what is talking about.

I wish I saw this 3 years into the past. Thank you for sharing the advice.

So what do you think about college in counties which all education is "free"? Btw 25% people go to college there

I don;t think college professors teach Marx even. College teaches you to be a good boy, do your work, keep your head down, and shut the hell up. That's what a job is all about.

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Honest perspective!

"im not gonna go too deep into that" -guy that just spent a third of the vid talking about it

I can 100% without a doubt say that my college degree was just a piece of paper with my name on it that got my foot in the door at some very low paid jobs and start-ups. After almost two decades in the IT industry I now interview and hire people and I don't give a shit if you went to college or not; if you can answer the questions in the interview, and demonstrate that you know the principles .. you're in. College was fun don't get me wrong, it taught me a few bits about being academic and making papers etc, but my entire technical knowledge is self-taught and I will treat anyone else self-taught the same as I will with degrees, all that matters in this field is that you know your shit, and you continue to keep it up to date.

This is why I went to college in Europe for free

I don't think anyone seriously proposes that attending college raises your IQ. It raises your knowledge. It may not be an economically efficient way to do it, but it was necessary for me because I don't know how to do self directed study well.

In all actuality, I feel like I go to college just so I can go to work, since the job I have is for students only since it's on campus. Plenty of learning on the fly. Plenty of opportunities to branch out into different projects more along the IS track than IT. I do not plan on doing very much with my degree once I graduate, but I would love to use what I've learned at my job. I feel like it would have been perfect if what I do now was in the form of just an entry level position at an actual company, unrelated to my position at a university, although who knows if I'd have learned as much as quickly. I've learned quite a bit from my manager and coworkers, and I don't expect to go anywhere else and find people who are just as willing to impart their knowledge that would push me to get to their level of skill/expertise. I don't particularly like college, and I wouldn't ever say that everyone needs to go to college. That is definitely not the case. I strongly agree with people going into trades. STEM has been pushed very hard and people typically rarely even mention trades, but they are very much so needed in our society regardless.

I may be off on my figures, but if I recall correctly... I believe I'd seen that the AVERAGE drop-out rate of college enrollees that NEVER make it through under-grad is like 70% or worse.

I believe collage became synonymous with the phrase "higher learning". So yes, a lot of older gen people used the word "collage" as a catch all for essentially "don't stop learning". But the price on learning material is so variable, it all just depends on what you want to achieve / learn

I completely agree with you here, I know I won't be going to college as it seems pretty wasteful for my target career path.. I just hope I won't change my mind because of all the peer pressure & teachers shoving in my mind the "fact" that it's the only way to succeed in life.

There was a time when I value college highly. I entered software engineering major and I came out not only a software engineer, but also a critical thinker with broader world view from my previous self, free to find my own path in life. For me, that worth way more than the software engineering knowledge itself. It makes me grow from a whiny little kid into a man. Today, I value college lower than a piece of moldy bread. Not only I never value the technical knowledge they teach that much, but also because now, they force kids into a certain ideological ideas and they sanitize their environment from any real world hardship. The kids came out of college just like how you'd expect kids came out of "safe spaces", still a kid.

I never went to college, mostly because I didn't do well in regular school. I even took the assisted classes and I barely graduated. So I know I won't do better in college where there is barely any help and deadlines are Stricter. Also I don't know what I want to do for the rest of my life.

Wait a second a contervisial video from mental outlaw and its still on youtube now thats really rare

thanks for this vid

Trade chads rise up!

The HR person might not be hiring you but the listing they designed will be used by their application software to filter through people.

You nailed it IMHO...

i love this channel so much

FWIW electrical engineering seems like a decent proposition. Lots of my friends were in the C range GPA wise when they graduated and still got jobs anywhere between immediately (through job fairs most likely) and a few months. In particular for signals I would have no idea how someone would be capable of learning that stuff on their own lol

I disagree with college being just a place to get a degree with which you can get more money in life. If that were the case, I would be programming 9 to 5 right now, making my 60 to 90k a year and be quite happy with it. For quite a few people the institue college is an end goal in itself, for the pursuit of their curiosities, especially if you are interested in the harder sciences like math, physics and chemistry. Admittedly, I wouldn't study math in the US, at least not immediately (way too expensive, way too risky). For anybody contemplating major-ing in mathematics: do the first semester or two outside of college, try to get a copy of the exams and have a friend who is majoring in math correct it after you worked through Calc I, II, III differential equations and Linear Algebra (which will probably take you at least half a year), if you get more than 45%, attempt to study math in university.

I went to an institute. Paid way less and the classes were essentially certificate equivalents. I do appreciate the business comms and business courses that I took because they help me in my current job.

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