I always asked for an envelope so I could send food

Dang you were a sharp sassy one haha

ROFL.

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@@stargatis My mom would've gotten a box and sent me instead

Lol I thought it was a Mandela effect till I came to the comments 😂😂😂

@@pettykittyfam It's just him being PC it's always been starving kids in Africa

​@@HighOnPoint412how is it more pc that the starving kids be in China??? It's starving kids, it's not pc either way lol

@@HighOnPoint412*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER* in the John Lennon song “Nobody Told Me” he says “they’re starving back in china” the song is about him raising his youngest son, so it can be assumed that the line is him talking to Sean

Right?! I was born in 96 and I always heard starving kids in Africa! For reference my parents were born in 63 and 65.

I don't get it

⁠​⁠@@AnglephileSwedenGermanLysenko basically was against the concept of genetics and believed that characteristics can be passed down to offspring as long as it has been acquired during the lifetime. Landau brings up the fallacy with the argument. The act of cutting off the ear doesn’t affect the next generation bc that’s not how genetics get passed down. It doesn’t cause the further generations to have clipped ears and cutting them off doesn’t increase the chances of a breed being born without the right ear. landau is calling out this logic as it would imply that being a virgin is “inherited” which obviously does not make sense and is not genetic

@@Mommyofmeats lol ok the guy is such a crack pot that I didn't even bother to pay attention to his ridiculous ideas, it seems he is the stubborn type to never change his mind no matter what

Somehow that sounds exactly like something Billy gates would say.

@@libertybabe6086 he would but also looking at the ponies

Yeah but what capitalist county had a great famine that killed tens of millions

what if they didn't starve? the population problem in China would be incredibly worse, even compare to current situation.

Where is here? North Korea?

North korea, home of such foods as coffee (b4 this americans just drank cups of snow) or hamburgers (invented by kim jung il personally)

@@ytcensorhack1876 He said "but when I came here". Since here isnt a specific place, it's subjective, it was a valid question. BTW, Kim Jung Il also invented the planet, so we should all be thanking him.

Mao ordered all the birds killed so they wouldn’t eat any crops..result? Insect pests proliferated.

The fact that Mao blamed the famine on an overpopulation of sparrows to disguise his own mistakes led to sparrow hunt events, where millions of birds were killed. That, in turn, created a plague of locusts in the following season that killed the rest of the crops and eradicated other healthy insect populations. So that might also be a factor why your grandfather said he didn't hear any birds or crickets in that time.

@@marcpym5251 Not just sparrows people back then were eating any wild birds they could catch, if they can’t get the birds they’ll just look for nests and eat the eggs, that’s how bad it was. My grandfather said he saw people falling to their death because they were climbing the tallest trees in his town in hopes of finding eggs in the bird’s nest that are too tall for others to reach.

I am CERTAINLY NOT an authority on China, I vacationed there once and saw or heard almost no wildlife, I saw a few wild birds once other than that, nothing

Unfortunately China has a long history of poor farming methods as a result of its late industrialization. Tens of millions died during the Taiping Rebellion during the 19th century due to famines. Even during the Republican era, there were cases of villages fighting against each other, bandits and warlords stealing food, families having more children that they could feed etc that led to several regional famines. Famines come in cycles, and while there are natural influences behind the Great Famine, it is no doubt exacerbated by Mao's policies. While he was a good at planning military struggles, he really had no business managing the economy with ridiculous ideas like planning seeds together and deeper, melting household metals to produce steel etc in a deluded effort to industrialize, but only produced failed harvests and worthless iron. While the USSR abandoned Lysenkoism under Khrushchev, it remained influential in China for a few more years due to the Sino-Soviet Split.

@c.j.nyssen6987 ... Holland and Europe/England to Russia, went thru horrible due to that war ... So many in today's society have no idea how lucky they are ... The farmers in the Netherlands, are currently under fire from the Deep State, that is trying to take their land, kill their herds, prevent the planting of crops ... They are TRYING to create another starvation event without a war ... Support the farmers of ALL countries ... Without them there is no food!!!!

you bet it did, my father would do that, try to make me eat food that I detested and made me sick but when I refused to eat it, that old demon would say then it will be here in the morning when you get up, that was the start of the BATTLE ROYAL UNTIL THAT BASTARD DIED !!

That's the horrible form of domestic violence.

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​@@hellohello2582wrong choice of words but it is abuse. Eating when not hungry can cause all sorts of problems. All that does is perpetuate eating disorders

I think the main problem described has to do with lies, rather than centralized planning. Non-centralized planning based systems also have the potential to fail spectacularly in various ways when relying on lies. Garbage in = garbage out. Basically, lies destabilize the future. When someone relies on a lie to make decisions that will effect the future, those decisions are inevitably sub-optimal when based on trashy and/or intentionally incorrect input data. This typically results in sub-optimal outcomes, sometimes spectacularly so. At the moment, it would appear that the US government is probably lying about employment numbers and economic health. Some of the economic numbers that they are publishing do not make sense anymore and are not self consistent. If one pays attention to Joe Biden's speeches and Twitter account postings, he would basically have you believe that "Bidenomics" is working great, the economy is in excellent health, the economic future of the US is bright, unemployment is low, jobs creation is strong, everything about Biden's handling of things is profoundly awesome, etc. In actual reality, the US government most likely is lying about economic numbers, and the economy is not as strong as they claim, due to the natural consequences of high inflation due to COVID-19 policy associated money printing, followed by high interest rates. Consequently, many people are being squeezed and are having a hard time paying their bills, largely due to eroded purchasing power due to major inflation, and partly because of general economic weakness. Such conclusions would not be obvious if one trusts and believes the US government's "official" economic numbers and narrative, which paints an abnormally rosy picture. Meanwhile, the US Federal Reserve (the "Fed") is seemingly relying on the lying US government economic narrative (of a strong economy, with high employment, and good future outlook), and they appear to be trusting this false narrative, so much so that they have jacked up the interest rates very rapidly and quite far. The Fed appears to be assuming that the economy actually is strong and can handle the increased headwinds associated with high interest rates. In practice, this is likely a very wrong conclusion, based on trusting the economic and labor statistic lies of the US government. It may be that the high interest rates, combined with the weak overall economy, combined with already distressed banks (due to the Fed also removing money from the M2 money supply by way of shrinking its "balance sheet"), combined with other actions (like turning back on student loan repayments), could lead to widespread debt defaults and possible banking failure. The Fed may be setting the US up for major economic instability and probable catastrophe, and they are either doing it due to profound incompetence, unintentional but still major incompetence (due to relying on economic number lies of the US government), and/or intentional malfeasance. It may be that the US government and the US Fed actively and intentionally want people to be poor, so that they consume less energy, so as to reduce CO2 emissions, in an effort to try to help "solve" looming climate change related problems. Joe Biden has claimed in at least one speech that he considers climate change to be a bigger overall concern, than nuclear war.

But the problem isn't necessarily centralized planning, but the face-saving culture!

China just like the USSR didn't and doesn't give a damn about people. North Korea doesn't either. Their leaders all have food.

Mao caused the famine. Selling the food was incidental to all the other causes. Mao pushed agricultural collectivization and placed military leaders in charge. These leaders had little to no knowledge of agriculture. Mao pushed the farmers to plant more than one rice crop a year, even when he was told the weather didn’t support it. Mao ordered deeper plowing of the soil, which destroyed the topsoil. Mao ordered farmers to plant seeds closer together - not allowing them the breathing space they needed. Mao ordered the killing of birds (sparrows) because they ate grain seeds. According to FEE, “In what is one of the most bizarre and ecologically damaging episodes of the Great Leap Forward, the country was mobilized in an all-out war against the birds. Banging on drums, clashing pots or beating gongs, a giant din was raised to keep the sparrows flying till they were so exhausted that they simply dropped from the sky. Eggs were broken and nestlings destroyed; the birds were also shot out of the air.” Without birds, the locusts and grasshoppers were free to devour crops. Mao militarized agriculture with forced military-like routines for farming. Human waste was used as fertilizer. Farming tools were melted down for steel, disabling production.

@@jamesp3902 Amazing how much these things sound like Lysenko's ideas. Isnt it funny how two people can come to the same conclusion? It's almost like Mao was basing these choices on the ideas of Lysenko. Coincidence, right?

It's the same with the cows, treating them better will net you some gains regarding milk production and weight for meat. They aren't unlimited and they don't pass down genetically. You just get a modest, limited gain for your efforts and it makes you a more ethical producer when you treat your animals better.

@@emilala9049 Very true! Paying attention to the ecological niche and behavioral ecology of the organism you're trying to raise - be it plant or animal - often times increases your gains. But the key thing is, YOU have to make an effort to adapt to THEM. Some stress is good and can increase adaptability, but overstressing the organism (like keeping cows in overcrowded CAFOs, or planting seeds too deep) is generally bad for the organism and reduces gains.

@@karlwithak. Ignoring ecology has never worked out for very long in agriculture. The gains we made in production during the "green revolution" are now almost entirely mitigated by evolutionary adaptation by various crop pests, and fertilizer is getting more expensive because we may be running out of phosphorus - which, unlike oil, we have no alternatives to. It's the second most limiting nutrient for plants after nitrogen, and our current methods of industrial agriculture may mean that we hit peak phosphorus by around 2030. And the phosphorus cycle is slow, as it gets deposited into rocks that we then mine.

@@rachelwebber3605 Not to mention the state of the aquifers around the US (can't speak for anywhere else, but I bet we're not the only country with depleted aquifers). In a great many places that we used to consider prime farming land the wells are beginning to pump less water or run dry altogether. It took thousands of years to fill these aquifers, we're maybe a decade or 15 years before we'll be pumping the lot of them dry, and those will just be the ones that didn't collapse sooner. We should be looking for hardier varietals now. Going back into the heirloom seeds, looking for something that puts down deeper roots and has some resistance to drought. You could cross pollinate to enhance the qualities you wanted, like tolerance to temperature variations, higher yield, whatever. The problem is you can really only adapt, if you start adapting right now and a lot of people are really set in their ways.

@@emilala9049 A lot of countries that underwent colonialism have depleted reservoirs and soils due to colonists importing agricultural processes that are not adapted to the specific region. What we should be doing is looking at what the practices of last culture in the area was before colonization, determine if it was sustainable practice (not all cultures in a given area had sustainable practices), and then reincorporating the best practices and using technology to augment and improve on them.

Communism ran like a marine boot camp. Break down the individual and then rebuild him as a marine.

A few more cows than average. Being able to pay one person to help get the crop in at harvest time. As you say,any small differential of wealth was enough to make one's family a target.

They called it the Holodomor in Ukraine. It hit Kazakhstan a few years earlier I think, it was called the Goloshchyokin genocide, named after the Communist party leader in Kazakhstan at the time.

The way he worded felt like Holodomor was "natural" or "fucky wucky" by communists and not a deliberate genocide like in Kazakhstan too.

@@MrDaol23the word holocaust was first used by Karl Marx I’m pretty sure

And now the famine creators are on the move again it seems,farmers under restrictions, supply chain disfunction, plans to feed people bugs,the suppression of livestock production, created malnutrition etc etc.

Ukraine is an agricultural country and produced grain for the entire USSR, and the USSR was a major grain escort abroad Even with an inefficient farming system, there was enough food in Ukraine to support itself The USSR created repressive laws such as the "Law of Spikelets" which prohibited the use of available grain and required food coupons Even before the famine, as of May 17, 1932, there were no flour reserves in Ukraine, as evidenced by the resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "On Measures to Implement the Resolutions of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on Food Aid to Ukraine": out of 6.5 million poods of grain released to Ukraine, the Politburo requested that 1.5 million be imported in flour, "in view of the complete absence of flour reserves in Ukraine." it was taken away from ukraine Not only grain, but also other foodstuffs, including food surrogates that were of little use and unfit for consumption. Not all peasants died of starvation when the procurement agencies pumped out all the bread, as even the poorest peasant households had other foodstuffs left over. The picture changed when the state resorted to confiscating food from all "debtors," i.e., the authorities carried out a terror of starvation against the "debtors." It was the confiscation of all food that caused the famine to turn into the Holodomor. Stalin had an obsessive idea that Ukrainians were hiding grain or living too richly, and he decided to kill them. (or he was a Ukrainophobe) The NKVD army surrounded the border along Russia and Belarus to restrict people from traveling, because the famine was only in the Hetnic lands of Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Timothy Snyder, an American historian and professor at Yale University, talks about this in the 15th lecture of his course on Ukraine kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z8qparCj1t-VcY0.html. Of course, such repressive laws were passed not in Ukraine, but in the capital of the USSR, Moscow. You can also see more details in the Ukrainian video. KZfaq Channel - Toronto TV kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idSmhZp5yt_ehHU.html

Instead of using guilt they just used outright threats! 😂

Trump is anti science and his followers follow suit.

That's terrible. Both your mother's abuse (yes, that is abuse), and your weight fluctuation. Being fat is bad for the body, but is actually preferable to changing weight frequently. It puts more stress in your body than being overweight, so you might consider settling for being overweight instead of that, although ideally a slow but steady diet would be best.

I was always beaten severely and forced to stay at the table until I finished. If I didn't, beaten again. I was shamed and ridiculed by my family for being skinny and forcefed mysekf until skinny fat, so still a size zero just very unhealthy fat percentage. At 18 I accepted myself and stopped. Still a size 0 but I don't hate my body or food. Thank you for treating your child so wonderfully

As a nutritionist I am so glad you learned from your childhood and gave your child a good foundation for healthy eating. If you give a good variety of healthy (and of course indulgent) foods, you'll be able to self-manage and eat responsibly. A lot of people have quite messed up hunger cues because they're taught that bloat=full which causes stomachs to stretch out over the years needing more and more food. My husband had to relearn when he met me and now is able to eat much happier and even say no when more food is offered if it'll make him feel sick :)

Your parenting is a lot better. I grew up with a sort of mixture of the two. Like your son, I was served a little, I would have to ask for more myself. But I was obliged to eat whatever I put on my plate. And if I did change my mind, the response could be that in other places children were starving, so I shouldn't waste my own food. And certainly there was no desert for me if I didn't finish the main dish. I couldn't ditch 3 potatoes in favour of having room for icecream. Then I shouldn't have taken so many potatoes in the first place. I can only remember twice that I had no room for desert. I learned to take on my plate only what I needed, when it was needed. My childhood, and on occasion having tried to starve during long travels, has taught me always to eat my food, on my plate as well as in my home. Food I can't eat now, I keep for later. I never throw away good food. And I hardly have any food disposals at all. I only have, and prepare, what I eat.

If my dad was out of town and I didn't eat fast enough, my food was put in the blender and I had to drink that or tabasco sauce. If he was in town, I was allowed to toss it once I'd eaten enough. I thought he was aware, but he found out just a couple of years ago and was PISSED. If he still spoke to my mom or had her phone number, shit would've hit the fan even though I'm in my 30s. My sisters and I have all had to reassess our relationships with food over the years. Even now, I feel awful if I don't eat every last scrap of food on my plate. With my sisters' kids, "take another bite of the veggies, then you can be done" is pretty much it when they want to stop eating.

Exactly. Kind of tripped me out he went China when 1000% everything was starving kids in Africa. All over the TV. Flies buzzing around the starving kids. Sally Struthers, everything....

@@carltuckerson7718 100% I remember those Ethopian children. But if Joe said Africa, there's a good chance that a mob would form.

Same here, my parents always said starving children in Africa

Well, you are not from the US is my guess, let's remember the US had the 'red scare' which probably really, euh.. convinced, people communist country bad, thus also China bad.

Depends on age I would assume. My parents said China and Africa. But Africa was starving in the 80s and 90s. So anybody younger than 50 probably heard Africa. African famines were also similar in collectivization and state control of agriculture caused famine.

The rally in the stock market is over, but I'm not sure if stocks will recover quickly, continue to fall, or fluctuate in a narrow range for a few weeks, or if things will get worse quickly. I am under pressure to increase my $300,000 reserve.

Reaching out to financial advisors like Julio Castillo who can help you restructure your portfolio would be a very creative option. Personal financial management will be critical to surviving the next difficult times.

It's really important for beginners not to rely only on videos, otherwise they will lose all their money, like I did when I started with these videos here on KZfaq.

I agree with you. With his help, I split my 450-pound portfolio between different markets. During this bear market period, I was able to net a little over $1 million from high dividend yield stocks, ETFs and equities. However, the reality is that you can't do it without a proven trading coach like Julio Castillo.

He is great, he has managed my investments so well and my weekly returns are stunning. Could someone kindly leave their details here?

And yet we mix politics with science in the US and never give it a thought.

Not just agriculture. Medical genetics and a lot of other areas of applied biology.

But but but politicians have guaranteed that MRNA "vaccines" are safe and effective. The media agreed and celebrated the push. They gave immunity for sure, but not for the people that took the "vaccine" but the politicians gave legal immunity to these creators/distributors. Luckily the MSM and politicians give a fair look at the research not (in)directly funded by the manufacturers right? right?

politics is a science

@@RichOrElse It’s a social science, not a hard science.

Heard that all the time too, and used to tell my own children the same thing when they wouldn't eat their greens. The Sahel Belt has been an on-and-off humanitarian crisis for decades though, so "starving children in Africa"-line is sadly correct.

Ukraine is an agricultural country and produced grain for the entire USSR, and the USSR was a major grain escort abroad Even with an inefficient farming system, there was enough food in Ukraine to support itself The USSR created repressive laws such as the "Law of Spikelets" which prohibited the use of available grain and required food coupons Even before the famine, as of May 17, 1932, there were no flour reserves in Ukraine, as evidenced by the resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "On Measures to Implement the Resolutions of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks on Food Aid to Ukraine": out of 6.5 million poods of grain released to Ukraine, the Politburo requested that 1.5 million be imported in flour, "in view of the complete absence of flour reserves in Ukraine." it was taken away from ukraine Not only grain, but also other foodstuffs, including food surrogates that were of little use and unfit for consumption. Not all peasants died of starvation when the procurement agencies pumped out all the bread, as even the poorest peasant households had other foodstuffs left over. The picture changed when the state resorted to confiscating food from all "debtors," i.e., the authorities carried out a terror of starvation against the "debtors." It was the confiscation of all food that caused the famine to turn into the Holodomor. Stalin had an obsessive idea that Ukrainians were hiding grain or living too richly, and he decided to kill them. (or he was a Ukrainophobe) The NKVD army surrounded the border along Russia and Belarus to restrict people from traveling, because the famine was only in the Hetnic lands of Ukraine and Kazakhstan. Timothy Snyder, an American historian and professor at Yale University, talks about this in the 15th lecture of his course on Ukraine kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z8qparCj1t-VcY0.html. Of course, such repressive laws were passed not in Ukraine, but in the capital of the USSR, Moscow. You can also see more details in the Ukrainian video. KZfaq Channel - Toronto TV kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idSmhZp5yt_ehHU.html

Yeah, I remember my mum using the Africa line, it was because we all knew about places like Ethiopia thanks to charity telethons. The "starving children in Africa" line then gave birth to dozens of politically incorrect jokes like "What's the fastest thing on Earth? .. an Ethiopian with a can of beans. What's the second fastest? The other Ethiopian chasing him with a can opener."

pretty sure somalia is going through a famine right now so it's still relevant

these days I mostly keep hearing a "starving pensioners in the UK" line.

See also Chapter 13 of 'Nine Lives - the Autobiography of a Yorkshire Scientist' by Sydney Harland ed by his Californian nephew Max Millard - published only online - google it and download for free. Harland, a REAL scientist and world expert in plant genetics, visited Vavilov in the USSR in 1933-4 and while there was introduced to Lysenko - and saw right through the wretch. Harland also however witnessed the effects of the widespread famine which was already raging, well before Lysenko got into a position of real power and influence.

The truly horrible part is that's only the tiny part we know about. There were repeated famines and crop shortages throughout the 20th and 21st century, but it never gets reported. The average height dropped by 2 to 3 centimeters in height for multiple generations. That doesn't occur from one short 2 year problem. It's a systematic means of control through denial of resources. There have been some truly horrific tales coming from the Muslim minority population.

This is an amazing three-generation account from one family-grandmother, mother and then the author herself. Because of this multi-generation linear account, we get a much more full idea of the way this chunk of China's history came about and why it is the way it is today. One of the saddest things mentioned (among many, many others) was the amount of China's written history that was destroyed at that time (the 1960's) by Red Guards under Mao's dictatorship.

"All that is a lie fabricated by capitalists." - American Schools

I saw her give a reading at Prairie Lights bookstore in Iowa City. amazing stories and an impressive woman...she didn't seem to be bitter or resentful an was generally well grounded for a writer 😋. it was hard to listen to because she was there and experienced it this emoted the experience as she read. ✌🏻

My mom always told me that if I didn’t eat, I’d end up in the hospital with horribly low blood sugars. Which was accurate. Diabetes backed up Mom’s statements. And that’s why I don’t like eating and kind of have to be bullied into eating now. At 32!

I got that starving kids from my parents too..... But, when my kids were little, I told them you'll eat it or go hungry! We couldn't afford NOT to eat what I put on their plates. I was not the best cook either. My best friend was a cookbook! lol

@@stizelswik3694 only one? I didn’t use any… I’m a one-man hurricane when set loose in a kitchen

LOL. I just told my son, "this is what's for dinner. Eat it or go hungry!" He generally ate it. 🤣

As a child growing up in a family of eight other siblings, you ate or you missed out because one of the other kids would eat the food off your plate. I chose to have one child and because I knew that they didn't like cooked carrots, I gave her raw carrots. She didn't like boiled veges, so I stir fried them. I tried to never make an issue of food in any way because I was concerned about eating disorders that were prevalent as she was growing up in the 1990s. And still are.

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But it’s happening again in Russia.

Science isn't the issue, dogma is the issue. Christian nationalism has more in common here by wanting to throw out science of evolution for young earth garbage.

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Saying starving children in Africa is pretty common in the US as well. My parents said children in Haiti, but I think that was because our church worked with a charity in Haiti.

I'm American, my parents also used the starving kids in Africa line, when I was growing up also was around the time of the Somali food crisis and the failed us intervention in Somalia.. So I imagine Africa was more topical at that time. These days I still use that phrase, but instead of saying Africa, China I say the name of a local town as I feel that has more impact. Instead of some far away place.

Pseudo science movements today like gender ideology are very concerning.

The parallels that are terrifying is not that pseudoscience and anti science is a thing in society. It always has been. The terrifying thing is that we have state sanctioned scientists that can not be questioned, and artificial consensus by means of silencing any opposition. Just take a look at Anthony "I am the science" Fauchi. Take a look at the mRNA vaccines and the attempts to silence and shame anyone with concerns. The danger comes not from the individuals with different ideas, but from individuals given state power to force those ideas on others.

that's right... if you throw your food away, the same amount of food will be forcefully removed from the mouths of hungry kids on the other side of the world. and you will be directly responsible for that. now force yourself to eat that can of spaghetti-o's even though you are full from the preservatives

It is kinda on top isn't it 👂🏻👍🏻

Just wrote the same, sorry, didn’t see your post… 😂

On my phone it isn't that bad... If your on a computer turn down your bass maybe.... But yeah it's just the worst when videos are like that.

Also discussing a crazy amount of deaths with background elevator music makes my soul itch.

Sorry Joe, I really don't like the background music. Super distracting.

you don’t make jokes to guards if you’re in the gulag, even if they give you an award

Lmao "Archipelago" was proven to be a collection of fictional tales time and time again.

@@deptusmechanikus7362 The main things about his works that've been debunked with a high degree of certainty are the wildly exaggerated numbers. Everything else is anybody's game as Soviet Russia, especially of those times, is not very well documented -- as far as anyone without access to Russia's historical archives could possibly know. Also, the Gulag Archipelago resonated with former Gulag inmates immensely, to the point where they couldn't distinguish their lives from what was written there. If *even* a fraction of what Solzhenitsyn wrote is true it is still enough to condemn the barbarity of the Soviet judicial system, the Gulags, the mentally that led to them, and much more.

@@deptusmechanikus7362 Because you saw a snarky youtube video saying just that. So now it's your unqualified retort to whoever brings it up. Well done. I think most people who talk about it haven't read it, and admittedly it's a bit of a slog and it's easy to put down and not pick up again. Much easier to pretend. Cut and paste opinions, can't beat em. Cheers.

@@deptusmechanikus7362what do you mean by that?

Well, first you've got to transport it thousands of miles away, probably across an ocean, into a country with very few refrigerated trucks and terrible infrastructure. Then you've got to avoid it being stolen by local watlords or organized crime. And even if you succeed at that, you haven't fixed the underlying problem that people in that region can't sustain thenselves and will immediately start starving again the moment people from another continent stop shipping them food at enormous expense. If you actually want to help people, better to ask "why were they starving in the first place and how might I fix THAT" rather than giving them food. That's why, after hundreds of billions of dollars thrown at the problem, there are still starving children. If it was so simple as "well give them some food then, idiots!" it would have been solved ages ago. I think it's actually a lot less scary and depressing to assume people in wealthier countries are just greedy and heartless and don't care. Acknowledging that the problem is actually difficult enough that people have tried everything that's commonly suggested and failed is a lot scarier.

​@@loganwolfram4216Basically the issue with most government handouts, they don't solve the fundamental issues, just address the symptoms at an extreme cost.

@@holy3979 Which is still better than doing nothing, if solving the fundamental issues is not an option.

okay can you cover my rent from now on then?@@lonestarr1490

I did the same - repeatedly, and never understood why it always resulted in a smack. I wonder when the China-Africa switch happened, and if it was the same everywhere. (I don't remember my grandparents ever referencing starving children in China, though they did occasionally use outdated versions of other phrases...)

reminds of how I used to drop pieces of string cheese into my family's house's floor vents. i wanted to feed the mice because I was obsessed with mouse books at that age- the one with the motorcycle, the schoolhouse one, Redwall especially... probably doesn't help that my uncle was encouraging me, lol

i thought i was the only one was looking for a comment like this

Yeah, I don't want to defend either Midgley or Lysenko, but I think it's worth pointing out that neither of them were in such a position of power that they can be held up as the singular cause of the mass deaths. For Lysenko, it's Stalin, Mao, and Communism in general. For Midgley, it's the various industry execs and politicians who greenlit his inventions. But even if you only allocate them 1% of the responsibility for the impact, being personally responsible for 1M deaths is a hell of a thing.

At least his inventions worked.

I was going to say exactly the same thing. I wasn't sure of the estimated deaths but know it will be high 👍

Veristasium video right? And it was also a great video on the same topic

@@jon_j__I was going to say this exact thing, but probably less eloquently. We shouldn’t say they weren’t terrible, they were, just that it’s only partially their fault. You need poor leadership and poor ideas to get these types of tragedies.

Speaking of which, several Soviet soldiers gave their lives to defend the seed bank during the Siege of Leningrad, refusing to eat the seeds even when the city faced starvation.

I don't remember it having been distracting before this video, but I didn't even finish listening to this one. It isn't just people who have some hearing loss or older people who have trouble with certain tones, it's also difficult a lot of neurodiverse people who can feel like their attention is being pulled in different directions.

Probably AI generated vid they are more often than you realize

Maybe it's cuz I was watching on my TV but it was actually too quiet for me, and not in a good way either. I kept pausing the video because I couldn't figure out where the distant ominous music was coming from and thinking I was going crazy. I don't remember any other of his videos having bg music and i feel that it better matches the style of the videos.

also came here to say this, the intro music was also weirdly mixed loud

I came here to say this. It's a combination of several things: Joe's voice volume is too dynamic, the music is too loud, and the script goes too fast to understand the generated subtitles with the picture. I have conductive hearing loss, which means speech is difficult to hear if there is other noise present. I'm listening on good headphones. This is the first video from Joe that has given me these issues though. Thank you!

Yeah, don't let my KZfaq name fool you, it was always starving in Africa for me growing up :)

China was the typical trope for alleged starvation until the 1980s when popular culture shifted attention to the struggles of Africa. For those of us who grew up at a certain time, China was more commonly used as an example of government gone wrong. So while Africa was probably used more during your generation, it was more common to mention China from the 50s through the mid 1980s.

​@@claydavis1629 yup. For me it was always China. I grew up in the 70s.

Grew up in the 70s, it was always China. @@claydavis1629

Me too. However, barring a progressive change, I forsee a day soon when the appropriate idiom will be "Eat your dinner, there are starving kids in Britain who would kill for that". I wish that was just a humourous exaggeration.

My grandmother was not satisfied unless you accepted something to eat. “What’s wrong? Why aren’t you hungry?” And then she’d list a dozen things she could either serve or cook for me, until finally I’d agree to something

"Sec fan?" (Eat rice?)

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@@TheWatchernator 不，肯定是英語. No, definitely English.

@@redwingsbaby 🤗

But pampering your cow is fun

@@kiltedcripple absolutely still pamper your cows!!! They're so cute and they deserve it 🥰

Yes, but it will make her happy. And a happy cow is ... well ... a happy cow. ;)

Don't you dare talk about eating Peppa

I've just added a similar comment. I developed food issues and went on crazy diets with punishing exercise routines that ended up helping to further damage my joints (since I was already a gardener and didn't need the extra exercise).

So, the real lesson here is: 1. Profit, without regard to consequences, is bad 2. Socialism is bad. It's almost like they're both "extreme" and the right way is somewhere in the middle? 🤔 [Edit: clarify language on point 1.]

I thought the video was going to be about him, but looking back on that idea I don't think leaded gas or his other chemicals killed as many people in as little time as lysenkoism.

@@12pentaborane Thomas midgley Jr.. put lead in petrol and wait for it... invented freon for fridges.. or CFC's.... bloke probably killed more in cancer rates over time ...

@@edwardcullen1739You'd be correct if the Soviet Union was socialist... but it was authoritarian state capitalism masquerading as socialism, the same as China is today.. and Russia is still ..

@@edwardcullen1739 it's almost like that's the false choice put forward by this video

There are lots of stories bumping around about Lamarck and his theories, but it doesn't actually seem like Lamarckism was actually HIS theory. As in, he's not the one who came up with it. It now looks like that the basic premise was developed by someone else, whose name is now lost to history. Lamarck heard about it, liked it, and added it to a book he was writing, and maybe included a few additional speculations of his own to flesh out the idea. That book, which was targeted at lay audiences, became something of a fad at the time, almost like Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" which resulted in the theory getting popularized, and Lamarck's name getting attached to it.

The thing is, Lamarck isn't totally wrong. We know about eqigenetics now. We also know individual specimen actually do adapt in certain ways to external stimuli, like food supply. But going from there to assumig how you can force those changes onto plants without going through the research of finding out if and how they will react to the specific stimuli you want to expose them to? Not to speak of the narrow-mindedness with which Lysenko assumed it could be only the one or the other. Two things can be true at the same time. And then you'd have an even harder job figuring out which effect, if any, is the dominant one.

@@Volkbrecht That would be ePigenetics...

Yes- climate hysterics, wu-flu hysterics, lying gender hysterics etc. etc. they form what one might call "The Beast" system.

We didn't put them in bed together, we fund science through politics. It's basically the same system that the Soviets had.

@@neilreynolds3858 If by "we" you mean "Americans", then yes. Breaking news: America is not the only country in the world!

@@neilreynolds3858 Its not politics if a private company pays for it.

This was a case of BAD science though. But yes I agree, learn from both good and bad examples.

I fully agree, it was distracting both times. Other than that I love the video as with all your content!

I also noticed the past few videos Joe’s voice has been kinda echoey or something. Not a dealbreaker but definitely distracting.

turn that atmospheric track during Stalin down like 4db LMFAO

To Joe: There wasn't any problem with your videos without the music. IMO the music is just disturbing. Still, apart from the melodic bit your vids are great.😊

Yep, my thoughts exactly. Doesn't really need the music at all.

Yes, i was very confused by this. Could not find anything related myself either. My guess is he is trying to sprinkle some "juicy" misinformation related to the current events in an attempt to increase the perceived appeal of the video.

That's a sin... I'd love to see orcs starving. Again.

He didn't say "All russians are Lysenko fans now", it's just what the lunatic fringe is doing.

@@JamesChurchill no, he said that lysenko "is presented as a hero to the russians" and that russia wants to shake science as the "bedrock of the western culture". This claim is at best a delusion and is honestly borderline dehumanizing. With his rhethoric and the putins picture attached, his implication, whether intentional or not, is that it is a state agenda. And even if i were to assume your point corresponds to what he said in the video, i could not even find any fringe source. He should have provided one in the description like educational channels do, otherwise i have to assume he invented it.

@@Vova__ In Joe's defense, such articles about Lysenko have appeared many times in the press over the past 5 years, mainly in Radio Liberty and its affiliated media, so he just might have stumbled upon them.

Yes and there were and still are areas with food insecurity in the US. I will say I've had Brazilian food and I think it's delicious.

@thomascreeden9650 The famines in Asia were overwhelmingly the result of Western and of British policy. In India alone, Dr. Gideon Polya in Countercurrents estimates that from 1765 through 1938 the British killed 1.8 billion (with a "b") Indians while reducing India's share of global GDP from 25% to 4%.

If you're GenX or elder Millennial maybe your parents got the line from "A Christmas Story?"

@@johnstrawb3521 Weird that you're claiming billions of people died when the world population at the time was barely 3 billion. It didn't start ballooning until the discovery of penicillin and the invention of Vaccines. Not disputing that the British killed millions of people during colonialization.... just that you're hyper inflating the facts to make a what-aboutism. To answer Thomas' question. You don't hear about it because the current Government in China intentionally downplays the communist famines as it hurts their feel goods to admit that Communism failed its own people that hard. They still celebrate Mao in China and any failings that man made are downplayed or censored outright. As China extended its influence overseas it actively sought to minimize these facts and histories from being recounted. As a result its not taught with any major depth or detail in a lot of places. Rather it gets glossed over if it's mentioned at all. In much the same way the US massacres in the Philippines, Koreas and even at home against black and Native Americans, tends to get lost in the education system. It's not that any of these events are denied. It's just not looked at or scrutinized strongly to protect those individuals and power structures that ultimately depend on people not looking too deeply at things.

​@@johnstrawb3521the Chinese famine was entirely China's fault.

We're fixing to learn a lot about famine.

Thank you for your comment. I just watched it and it was really interesting. I am looking forward to see the rest of your videos aout happier topics :)

@@hafor2846 Thank you so much! I really appreciate that.

Thanks for the Keys reference. Arguably, Keys' negative impact on nutrition persists to this day. 12 servings of grain a day = diabetes, obesity, mental illness, and cancer galore.

@@henrytang2203 Unfortunately, that appears to be the case.

Was going to say the same thing, yeah. Later generations after that it was always 'africa'

Yes, the famine in China was almost unknown in the West until 20 years or so later. I first heard of it on some TV show where one or two Americans were asking why so many truckloads of food were being sent to South China. Lysenkoism is alive and well in the West but it no longer has a name and is not talked about. It's an assumption that's one of the bases of some political systems. Assumptions are never questioned or acknowledged in politics. It is no longer considered science - it's a tenet of faith. Yes, I know I'm conflating science, religion, and politics. That's what it looks like to me: They're converging.

@@neilreynolds3858 Conflate away. To try and separate the three in the mind of the average individual is a fools errand.

Coincidentally, Ethiopia in the 80s was also an ally of the Soviet Union, as it was run by a communist military junta. One/The ONLY key difference between far-right policy and far-left policy is that the far-right mould their ideology around an idea(ie the Nazis moulded their beliefs around Eugenics and the idea of an intellectual elite ruling the land via direct rule, the politics of the land are only governed by the ideas of the elite and the traditionally-minded, so to speak), whereas the far-left mould an idea around their ideology(ie Lysenkoism and the Great Leap Forward, where communists and socialists would mould any idea around their ideology, under the mindset, approach and premise that EVERYTHING must be and to that end, IS politicised and political). Furthermore, the reason why people distrust Science is thanks to its corporatisation and hyper-industrialisation. This has led to the rise of the Sackler Family and the greater Opioid Epidemic that began in the 1990s, as well as the ironically government-managed botching of COVID-19 in 2020. The rise of Social Justice and greater Far-Left beliefs within younger people especially online has led to a lot of Lysenkoist-adjacent beliefs and applications. It's why you hear idiots say "but Science DOES care about your feelings" and "Body Language is not reliable" or "x is a Social Construct".

@@DR3ADER1 Your comment was almost insightful but didn't quite get there. The political distortions of science in the USSR pretty much began and ended with Stalinism. Once he was out of the picture science mostly got back to normal. So, your "theories" about ideologies and science are not based on good information. Almost like you're moulding your idea around your ideology.

Pretty much. Fauci was also hilariously wrong about the origin of AIDS among other subjects - didn't stop him from gaining more and more powerful political positions, and being more and more blindly worshipped by people who claim to "follow science".

And then he scienced all over the place.

Yep.. parallels to Fauci for sure.

Fauci's predecessor. Remember, it was Fauci who bungled the AIDS crisis in the 80s.

Trust the science!

Peer reviewed research-that’s how science works

Yes, and as your example makes clear, it’s just as needed in the so-called “hard” or “objective” fields of science. Errors, falsehoods, oversights, misinterpretations etc can always happen

I see what you did there. 🙂

There's also the part about "science" becoming so politicized that nobody believes anything that a scientist says just like we can't believe anything a politician says. Since so much of "science" is funded by the state, it has become an arm of political parties. The only way to regain trust is to stop taking money from the sciencist-politicians who control the funding. We know that's not going to happen so "science" will not be trusted.

Political regression as well. Takes a horrendous worldview to glorify Lysenko as a defier of “Western” science rather than who he really was: a killer of colleagues and fellow countrymen.

It's not just the sciences where the world is regressing.

It's because people like comforting lies more than they like harsh truths. The earth is in desperate need of some tough love.

@@_nebulousthoughts The ironic fact about that is that the only reason why we know this point about people choosing comfort over truth is thanks to Science and the findings produced by various psychological studies.

And while that attitude is understandable, it also contributes to the obesity epidemic. When food is scarce, it makes sense to eat as much as you can, but with abundant food that's extremely unhealthy.

Clean your plate culture directly fuels our obesity epidemic

Haha I was about 10 years old when my mom said "There are starving kids in Africa" and my response was "Yeah? Well why don't you ship this meal to them". She laughed and never used that guilt trip again.

i used to force myself to eat everything whenever i went out to eat because i overpaid for it directly. then i started realizing that it's not benefiting me at all and just making me miserable over something i should be enjoying. whether i throw it away or force myself to eat it and it turns to poop later, it doesn't affect ANYBODY but me

they actually got violent at your suggestion to help them.. because they arent europeans and we only help europeans....

Not just you. Sounds wrong.

Yeah, very off putting.

You're right. The background music was unnecessary.

Yeah, the music was very distracting in this video. Didn't fit and was often too loud.

Yeah, music was far too loud.

So are farmers allowed private farm ownership in Azerbaijan?

What?

Ducking is done with a compressor. I think it's built into AE

The Schrödinger's Chinese kids, who are in a superposition of starving and not starving

@@smoguli you'll never know unless you check. let's install surveillance cameras everywhere to make sure

Every time I see a friend waste food I tell them "kids in Africa could've eaten that plate"

There are still starving kids in China. The government doesn't really look after people not in the cities.

Really? Woke science seems pretty Lysenko to me. Dismissing genetics, censoring opposition, elevating or demoting scientists based on their political alignment, subverting the peer review process.. Aside from all the starving people and gulags on one hand and mutilating the kids while destroying the parents' economy on the other, I'm not sure there is much to distinguish them.

Wokeness is the new communism. You're not seeing the full picture here, you're focusing on a small minority of religious people who are reacting to woke provacations. Make no mistake, wokeness is as anti science as old school communism was, in that it loves science when it fits the agenda, but hates it if it conflicts with the agenda. And if science doesn't fit the woke agenda, guess what happens? What effect are you even talking about? Where are these mysterious 10s of millions dying because of people claiming science is too woke?

Did they have anyway to keep it if you didn't eat it? A refrigerator? My mother grew up in a city. My father in the rural Southern US. I'm not sure my Dad had a refrigerator all the time as a kid. They did live in a small town, so I think they may have had an ice box rather than a propane refrigerator. Because he didn't have electricity until the Rural Electrification Act, 1936. When he was a teenager.

@@kitefan1 I think it has more to do with rationing being a "use it or loose it" system. if you didn't consume what was allocated to you then your allotment was decreased next time.

@@ckl9390 Makes sense, thanks.