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@MitchK1011 9 жыл бұрын

You just explained the internet perfectly

@depthoffield4744 9 жыл бұрын

Ad Hominem is a distraction, person who uses this fallacy tries to distract from the sensitive topic of conversation, you may notice that person has mysteriously shifted from the main topic, toward attacking the person who makes certain claim.

@jpmking9635 2 жыл бұрын

I think people often use it when they are wrong and they are not capable of intellectual debate, so they attack others to feel better about themselves. Its understandable for kids and teens but as an adult you really should be able to engage anyone in debate even if you are wrong. if you cant admit you are wrong than you cant grow which further perpetuates the inability to engage in intellectual debate to begin with.

@biblebased2374 9 ай бұрын

@@jpmking9635perfectly said.

@antijbro 9 жыл бұрын

People always use this when they know my age. Just because I'm eighteen doesn't mean I'm automatically wrong. If you think I'm wrong tell me the real reason why you think I'm wrong.

@malteeaser101 9 жыл бұрын

You are wrong.

@EuropeanQoheleth 9 жыл бұрын

Ugh I hear that. I remember being on some websites and just because I was 14 or so and knew a lot of big words they assumed I was being pretentious. Most people might learn at the same speed so I guess in most cases older people are wiser but if you're younger but learn much faster than an older person who doesn't learn very quickly at all you're going to pass them out sooner or later.

@ljkolnick 9 жыл бұрын

That would be a fallacy on their part. I, as someone a bit older, have even been told that because i am so young (when i'm not, they seem to just assume because i have a different opinion) i have such and such opinion.

@thenervouslife2970 3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%. Age unfortunately is one of the worst arguments, unless age is directly related to the issue we are talking about.

@MrJohnnyDistortion 3 жыл бұрын

Democrats always heavily influence the younger age group for obvious reasons.

@-grey 9 жыл бұрын

The video should have been called: In one fell swoop Mike defeats all of reddit.

@tired799 9 жыл бұрын

I feel that ad hominem is a pretty frequent fall-back for internet arguments even when someone hasn't actually committed an ad hominem fallacy. I'm not aware of any studies on the matter, but I know that I've had to call out a number of people for slipping it into a rebuttal without reason just for the sake of attempting to undermine their opponent.

@xtntxex 8 жыл бұрын

+Katie B It is easily one of the cheapest and most over-used argument tactics invoked by pseudo-intellectuals. Rarely do I ever find it being used in the correct context. I too have had to call out several people on using the term even though I never attacked their character. Another tactic is when they start attacking very petty grammatical and punctuation errors (ironically a potential Ad Hominem in itself).

@joyceking3912 2 жыл бұрын

@@xtntxex I've had people very clearly attack my character instead of my argument, yet when I call them out on it, they tell me I'm using "ad hominem" in the wrong context, then attack my reading skills.

@TheA1ternative 6 жыл бұрын

In this comments section: People trying to cite examples of Ad Hominem claiming only one political side uses these arguments (when in reality both left/right wing politicians use this fallacy).

@VICE-H3RO 6 жыл бұрын

This is completely true.

@averygamerdude7911 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@CCuppy29 4 жыл бұрын

No they don’t you eggheaded buffoon, god you’re stupid

@MrJohnnyDistortion 3 жыл бұрын

The left far far more than the right with a heavy dose of continuous shit bombing.

@crimsoncourt9354 2 жыл бұрын

@@MrJohnnyDistortion Yeah lol, the left has literally gained popularity by being known to use ad hominem attacks on Twitter

@buffdaddy0100 9 жыл бұрын

I love how i had to watch an Ad Hominem political ad before i could even watch this video

@vmontoya4 9 жыл бұрын

I think I've watched these videos a million times. I always had an okay understanding of these fallacies but these videos really helped with me understanding them completely.

@CartoonHangover 9 жыл бұрын

don't mean to perpetuate the authority fallacy but the intern behind this robot skeleton studied latin for 10 years and it's actually pronounced like "quo-qway" :)

@Deantrey 9 жыл бұрын

Well Latin is a dead language anyway so who cares right?

@niclored 9 жыл бұрын

cartoon hangover really hate little childrens, so his ideas about latin pronunciation are wrong, DEATH WRONG!

@julesispurple 9 жыл бұрын

While, I am not sure how much it matters, as a student who is in their fourth year of Latin, I agree that it is in fact pronounced "quo-qway". The more you know.

@johnbrown7441 9 жыл бұрын

OMG this guy that created Adventure Time! You have no idea how much influence you had on me! Thank You!

@AndrewVasirov 9 жыл бұрын

I learnt it is pronounced like "Kvo Kve". "Qu" is pronounced "kv". Like in "Quod erat demonstrandum", "quod" sounds like "Kvod". But Latin was changed during the centuries, for example Julius Caesar is the Middle Age Latin form of Iulius Caesar. The Romans haven't K, J, W, Y. They were added later for words from Greek, for example...

@wadahadlan 9 жыл бұрын

I love you Mike, these fallacy videos are the greatest and most needed things on the internet

@JackkayFrost 9 жыл бұрын

Please make more of these kinds of videos, they are fantastic.

@Jmyster4 9 жыл бұрын

this is a common one indeed

@lifelearner45lloyd97 6 жыл бұрын

Yes - very common.

@radioactiverat8751 6 жыл бұрын

Quick, easy to understand, and examples? Why has it taken me this long to understand what this is? I hear this term get used all the time in debates but never really knew what the full thing meant. I considered it a form of dodging a question and in some ways I guess that isn't wrong depending on the situation. Great vid

@AliakaiGaming 9 жыл бұрын

I used this on facebook today. THANK YOU SO MUCH! XD

@TheOneTrueKaliban 5 жыл бұрын

This argument falls apart when one realizes that holding certain ideas automatically reveals a person as foolish/intellectually inferior/mentally unbalanced, etc. The trick is often used as a final ploy, by a defeated interlocquetor.

@jpmking9635 2 жыл бұрын

I think the Ad Hominem Fallacy is the greatest indication of a person lack of understanding. The worst part is that its used so much in politics. there is probably some correlation between that and all the problems society faces

@rufuguru 9 жыл бұрын

I'm impressed that you accurately described the fallacy, but you touched on so little. You made no mention of the guilt by association flavor of argumentum ad hominem OR, my personal favorite, the ad hominem ad hominem.

@amihartz 9 жыл бұрын

You should've mentioned that insulting a person is _not_ an ad hominem. This needs to be said explicitly because people don't understand it. It's only a fallacy if insult _in place_ of an argument. If you insult _with_ an argument or your insult is actually a valid argument in itself, then it's not an ad hominem.

@TessaBain 9 жыл бұрын

Good. Someone already explained it. Now I don't need to. Though I'll add an example, if someone tells you 2+2 is 169 and you say to them "No, it's 4, you moron." then you have not invoked the fallacy. It is in fact 4 and they are indeed a moron.

@Sachaztan 9 жыл бұрын

I've seen people use a kind of meta fallacy where one party calls out the other for using a fallacy and then proceed to disregard everything else they say, no matter if they have a point or not. Most often people will cite Ad Hominem incorrectly just like this, where an insult is made into a fallacy and the argument gets ignored on the basis of this. It makes for a rather strange meta debate that sound more like an argument about Latin.

@Spounge84 9 жыл бұрын

Sachaztan Interestingly enough, that is a fallacy as well yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy

@jag3596 9 жыл бұрын

I still believe you shouldn't do that because even if doing so is not fallacious, it is pretty rude.

@thelonestarpelican9343 9 жыл бұрын

insults add no truth to your position nor falsity to your opponent's that polite, reasonable debate/discussion can already accomplish. Also, any argument can be made tastefully and politely, even against holders of the most ludicrous or morally outrageous positions. The only "use" it has is to either release frustration at your opponent and their allies or to try to win on the cheap by appealing to traits widely known to inspire petty distaste ("stupidity", "weird", "wimpy", "over-sensitive", the list is endless). As such, it also makes you and people like you look like you have a mere axe to grind. So it is that any audience enlightenment is so slight or any other benefit gained so trivial, that the need to maintain decorum and politeness is far outweighs the need to paint your opponent in a bad light. All this is why insults are not allowed in polite, formal, reasoned debate - and indeed why debates have moderators in the first place.

@-brooke. 5 жыл бұрын

Hahahahahhahahahaha that seedy little bread buttering itself tho!! I had to stop watching for at least five minutes to compose myself😂😂

@DOTA2FroggyStyle 9 жыл бұрын

Hey, Thanks for these fallacy videos. They've been useful as a brush up since my days in college :)

@TheLisergicQueen 9 жыл бұрын

Logic has always struck me as an inherently fascinating subject, and these videos certainly provide quick and funny hits of it. I do have my doubts as to whether they’ll actually help anyone win an argument. So point out others’ logical fallacies if you must, but bear in mind that you might be the only one who learns anything as a result.

@ReadHeadPat 9 жыл бұрын

eyyyy I learned like 40 logical fallacies last year!! I feel smart knowing about all these! ;D

@Emilytea 9 жыл бұрын

This will be the most popular one.

@hristo.bogdanov 9 жыл бұрын

A verey usefull video... I will use this often.

@drbirtles 9 жыл бұрын

The biggest problem with people who think they understand this fallacy occurs when they use it in regards to any subjective observation of their character, for example: Me: You're a fool. Person: AD HOMINEM!! This is not Ad Hominem. It is a subjective statement. Not a deductive reason for asserting their position is foolish.. A perfect reply would be: Me: No, that is not Ad Hominem. Ad Hominem would have been "You're a fool, therefore you're argument is wrong". Me calling you a fool is simply a statement. And using the Ad Hominem fallacy wrong makes you... foolish. I hate when people get this fallacy wrong, because their thinking is ironically fallacious.

@blainefiasco8225 5 жыл бұрын

Basically an insult doesn't equal ad hominem

@logangomez4475 6 жыл бұрын

I like the appeal to emotion fallacy the best. Can I get a link to that one?

@Caddyleadz 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I've been sending this baby out on a regular basis.

@thecuriositytheory 2 жыл бұрын

WOW 🤩 that was so clear and powerful

@dieselweasel7625 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you very, very much

@blackcookie2012 9 жыл бұрын

These vids are just so great! Really well done and the information can be used readily and practically. Making critical thinking skills accessible? Sublime! Keep it up!

@MrDzoni955 9 жыл бұрын

This is a common one on the internet.

@angelo7243 2 жыл бұрын

Had to rewatch the video because I was just distracted the first time figuring out why you're so familiar 😂😂😂 Was just a little surprised to see you outside Mythology videos 😂

@StoicMaverick 9 жыл бұрын

I love all your videos, have you considered doing a class on philosophy or something for Kahn Academy? I'd watch it.

@Malaurielle 9 жыл бұрын

I learnt what a fallacy was and how many differents types there were when i was i college in france! :)

@strider_hiryu850 Жыл бұрын

1:41 "girl" bruh i died

@jazzyfae415 5 жыл бұрын

Great video

@janiskluge6957 9 жыл бұрын

The fallacy I come across the most in internet conversations is the: "who says that? prove it! have you seen it with your own eyes?" argument. On the one hand, it is weakening your position by jamming the discussion with research work. Questioning things which are easy to google (lmgtfy helps). The other part of it is then discrediting any source you use. To point out this fallacy in an argument, you have to really dig deep and talk about how we "know" things in today's society. How something can be plausible and likely, although we haven't seen it with our own eyes. That - under certain circumstances - media can be trusted etc. (just realized - it might be two fallacies, the prove-it fallacy and the do-my-research fallacy).

@joyceking3912 2 жыл бұрын

I run across this all the time. They ask for proof, I provide it, and they pick it apart. I just tell them to do their own research. The bad part is they will only read articles that support their view, while I read articles from everywhere on both sides of the issue. Those are two of their favorites.

@woooweee 8 жыл бұрын

This man is the master of fallacy's, sadly not in a way which reflects well on PBS.

@steveisking 8 жыл бұрын

so when someone shows a bad behavior of one group/person and their opponent justifies it by showing behaviors of another group/person as an argument answer, does this count?

@seigeengine 8 жыл бұрын

Hugely important point to grasp that too few people seem to: Someone attacking your character is not itself a fallacy. It is only when this attack on your character is used to dismiss or discredit your argument that the other party is guilty of a fallacy. Without it, they're just being an ass, which does not discredit their argument, and you claiming otherwise is hilariously you committing the fallacy you are falsely accusing them of.

@ephemerabluetit335 3 жыл бұрын

Ad hominem is the trademark of mysoginests and narcists. They include your family, friends, and the horse you rode in on.

@venatorus1000 9 жыл бұрын

Just a small point, but I wasn't sent a link to any of your videos. I just searched for examples of fallacious arguments, so that I can try to make sure that I don't - or at least be less likely to - form a fallacious argument myself.

@ThatDamnPandaKai 5 жыл бұрын

I like how the intro is a polite "Hey, stupid, you fucked up."

@TrancorWD 9 жыл бұрын

I see this more than any others...

@yas.s. 7 жыл бұрын

But what if the behavior of the person is related to his argument? I think this is something that requires a profund analysis, because there are A LOT of arguments that are extremely contraditory depending on the person that's using it.

@itchynights 9 жыл бұрын

@0:33 what he says here actually demonstrates that the "ad hominem fallacy" isn't actually a fallacy. fallacies are ALWAYS fallacious. but the ad hominem can sometimes be relevant and therefore part of a valid and/or sound argument. it makes it very different from, say, the genetic fallacy, no true scotsman, affirming the consequent, denying the antecedent, etc. whose use renders a deductive argument invalid.

@Silverwind87 7 жыл бұрын

Interesting, but there is a fallacy for things like that. The fallacy fallacy is the logic that any argument WITH a fallacy is invalid. Yes, a fallacious argument is faulty. However, that doesn't necessarily make it false.

@victortrejo5725 9 жыл бұрын

Strawmike = priceless

@music_by_carlos 8 жыл бұрын

thank you

@jaewok5G 9 жыл бұрын

i request further explanation regarding the example of the political ad; isn't choosing a representative about evaluating the candidate's character, empathy, sound reasoning and behavior? at least in part?

@basshumbler5886 7 жыл бұрын

great vid

@bluesmandingo 5 жыл бұрын

I miss this Channel.

@amandamontague5917 8 жыл бұрын

Please do a fallacy video on weak analogy!

@Silverwind87 7 жыл бұрын

Pfft, that's like making a video explaining gay cockatoos! Did I do it?

@Peridium 7 жыл бұрын

Your comment just made my day. xD!!!

@derekmalaney6945 9 жыл бұрын

I have a feeling I am going to see all these shorter videos on Reddit very soon.

@TYGR2115 5 жыл бұрын

I ate a Bartlett pear just now. It wasn't quite ripe, but ripe enough.

@cmerrell37 8 жыл бұрын

I want to post this on so many people's facebook wall posts, but I'm too nervous. :(

@Silverwind87 7 жыл бұрын

DO IT

@MrAcuriteOf1337 9 жыл бұрын

Isn't Tu Quoque when someone defends an argument by levying the same complaint against a different argument?

@kienesel7 9 жыл бұрын

Your Ad guy voice is pretty good

@richmahogany1710 9 жыл бұрын

Man that straw-thing is freaky.

@imaratspal 5 жыл бұрын

The part that pisses me off is that someone said I was using an "ad hominem" attack when I'm criticizing someone for believing in the fallacious ideals that I'm criticizing and referring to that as an ad hominem. I didn't know what it meant before but now that I do, it still doesn't make sense in that context.

@shhara 2 жыл бұрын

I find this fallacy kinda similar to strawman

@agentx250 6 жыл бұрын

Ad Hominems don't work on me because I can seamlessly incorporate both a defense of my original point and of my character into a single striking rebuttal.

@Winback220 9 жыл бұрын

Someone may have already asked this, but did you really eat two Big Macs and drink 34 oz of Hi-C Orange Lavaburst, Mike? No judgement, I swear!

@xyber6 2 жыл бұрын

Is saying that ones gender in invalidates their opinion about an issue an example of ad-homonem fallacy?

@codexcodexcodex 2 жыл бұрын

Alternative Title Internet in a nutshell. Explained.

@watergod321 9 жыл бұрын

This argument easily and wholly encompasses the anti-brony stance, I find haters or even blind argument comments utterly hilarious for this reason and I'm glad I now have a name for this type of argument.

@HopeDaw-gc4pq 6 жыл бұрын

this is hilarious!

@Zeturic 9 жыл бұрын

Note that, even if the character or actions of the person aren't related to their argument, simply criticizing them isn't fallacious UNLESS that is the main point of your argument. Saying "You're a hypocrite because X, and your argument is wrong because Y." is not fallacious. At all.

@asgarzigel 9 жыл бұрын

Straw-Mike looks creepy... is this actually your Halloween episode in disguise?

@octaviusdelmonte9019 5 жыл бұрын

Quite the reverse is true, I've arrived here if my own accord.

@undersounds7775 6 жыл бұрын

Clear as water

@Snes_Controller 9 жыл бұрын

I see this all the time in online discussions, especially when the issue of bigotry comes up. Somebody will say something that, if you're assuming the worst about them, could be interpreted as sexist or racist or homophobic. Then the person with whom they're debating will hold up that line as some kind of triumph, as if by saying that the accused bigot has invalidated every other point they were trying to make.

@TorySlusher 5 жыл бұрын

For example, what a person looks like (the inherent discrimination thereof) negates anything else they do or say.....

@salmaezz1 9 жыл бұрын

holy fuck if you click on the share button you will see GIF option comes up , youtube actually allows us to create GIFs on here this is the tumblr dream!

@gmichaelz 7 жыл бұрын

stop! that bread buttering itself... you should give that a pause for processing...

@ThatDamnPandaKai 3 жыл бұрын

I love how the intro is a nice way of calling out a douchebag who goes around insulting people because they have no argument.

@brownsdawgz 7 жыл бұрын

what if one was to use this fallacy to highlight themselves in an argument instead of attacking the person they are arguing with?

@brownsdawgz 7 жыл бұрын

is there a fallacy for that scenario?

@berkaltuglu8140 5 ай бұрын

The villain did not planned to destroy the world or taking over said world, he just liked to kill people disagreed with him.

@williamhenning4320 7 жыл бұрын

cenk ugar basically

@nathanapplegate5374 7 жыл бұрын

Hit the nail on the head. He was using it every ten seconds in his debate against Dinesh D'Souza.

@barbosajulio83 7 жыл бұрын

Nathan Applegate D'Souza sucks balls. He's on the level of chenck

@rustic328 2 жыл бұрын

Argumentum Ad-hominems are frequently used in arguments, it’s exasperating.

@TheTurbanatore 8 жыл бұрын

I am currently being Attacked with Ad Hominnems, how do i counter them?

@kevinpham5507 8 жыл бұрын

Use adblocker.

@TheTurbanatore 8 жыл бұрын

Kevin Pham but i need to fight back or else the people on the community will give into the lies and they will think im weak

@meatthepyro 8 жыл бұрын

+The Turbanator tell them the flaws in there argument are so great that they have to insult you to prove their points

@TheTurbanatore 8 жыл бұрын

Sexual Tyranasaurus they dont care, they just keep on calling me names and when i tell them to debate me in front of everyone then they shy away

@meatthepyro 8 жыл бұрын

The Turbanator explain more

@luckybasterd87 9 жыл бұрын

Guilty of this on the daily

@jacksonelmore6227 Жыл бұрын

The idea of “ad hominem” was created as a rhetorical shield to protect the unrighteous from being exposed

@DipayanPyne94 Жыл бұрын

Not really ...

@tone3560 5 ай бұрын

Emotionally driven people frequent the ad hominem approve that rational remain silent or attack their idea if it is of value to them.

@TheFunnyman1233 8 жыл бұрын

I am in a Rhetoric class and we are debating if the US ought to prioritize national security over digital privacy. One of the affirmitive arguememnts is that we willingly surrender info to companies like google without really reading the terms and conditions and so should take no issue with agencies taking info. Its nice to have a name to put to how wrong this arguememt is.

@eidane1 7 жыл бұрын

just had a auto play... no I did never have a link...

@hexeddecimals 9 жыл бұрын

Orange Lava Burst!!!!!

@danielhale1 9 жыл бұрын

KZfaq recommended this video to me, so I guess it thinks I need to learn this information. But I hear KZfaq also pigs out on burgers so what does it know about video recommendations? Sorted. :D

@krr74 8 жыл бұрын

is it ad hom if they say what you're saying is stupid but don't give a reason why? or they insult you and say you're wrong but don't address what you are actually saying?

@liambellew1299 8 жыл бұрын

Actually, that's more akin to a strawman.

@Nulono 8 жыл бұрын

No, that's an ad lapidem argument. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_lapidem

@s0ngf0rx 8 жыл бұрын

pretty sure i witnessed this in a video i watched yesterday by a college speaker lol. then again i may be wrong who knows

@TheRealE.B. 9 жыл бұрын

I'd say that MOST political ads attacking the opponent directly are not actually examples of ad hominem. To me, they usually seem intended to imply that a politician is likely to slack in their duties, ignore the concerns of a large group of their constituents ("taxpayers" is a popular one) in favor of their own interests or those of cronies and lobbyists, renege on campaign promises, and/or just generally take stances you would disagree with on future issues with ethical implications (or, at worst, seem just plain stupid in the eyes of voters who see good character as equating to or stemming from personal competence). These are all relevant concerns for voters, even if the ads themselves may be groundless smears. A public official may have good policies and ideas, but they could still be an embezzler, for example. Character does matter in the case of an election. Of course, I don't watch much broadcast television anymore. Maybe ads these days really are all about how punching babies negates a person's stance on foreign policy.

@hazzardalsohazzard2624 9 жыл бұрын

I remember in the last UK general election a massive sign went up of the current Prime Minster at the time, Gordon Brown, saying he would raise taxes. It's not directly Ad Hominem, but it was basically a smear campaign by the opposition party.

@CruzaComplex 9 жыл бұрын

TF2 reference. I am satisfied. *puts on hat*

@Tdub0911 3 жыл бұрын

CNN, ABC, NBC, etc. "You're embarrassing yourself", "Don't you come at me with that nonsense", both I saw back-to-back in one discussion the other day. Funny how when it's on a mainstream broadcast, it seems to target conservatives almost every time.

@Hi_Stacey 7 ай бұрын

Ohhhhhhhhh

@201bob 3 жыл бұрын

Hah, i got sent this link because someone thinks they can lock their bike anywhere and that laws dont apply to them.

@headecas 8 жыл бұрын

well i'll probably have to watch this series once a day, i'm pretty sure i used some of these falacies.not this one though... i think

@katherinepagan4860 4 жыл бұрын

How was Mike's fake political ad exactly like a real political ad

@averygamerdude7911 5 жыл бұрын

This is Hunter Avallone's favorite logical fallacy

@Jarlzdotorg 9 жыл бұрын

Genius

@yuiopoli9601 11 ай бұрын

I gave here after watching Rfk get this used against him. Everyone is doing this against him... No one attacks specific things he says.

@nomorearchivesforawhile218 2 жыл бұрын

The Commentary Community in a nutshell

@jaywest3734 9 жыл бұрын

If the person is a liar, for example, then this Ad Hominem thing sort of falls apart. The same goes if the person has an extreme left wing or right wing political agenda.

@steveJFk 9 жыл бұрын

If you call to attention that someone is a liar, you are attacking the ethos of his or her argument. However, some arguments only need logos. For instance, if a psychopath were helping me solve a math problem and proved a mathematical statement, I wouldn't attack the argument for her mathematical conclusion based on the fact that I couldn't trust her. Her logic didn't need any credibility behind it. Same in politics: a person doesn't have to have the best interest of the people in mind to have the best solution to the problem at hand.