I think he's underrated in combat too. He's just so fast

The curse of being a rational man in an irrational universe. It's a miracle he didn't go bugfuck insane sooner...

Didn’t he want to install the nails?? And help kill the world eaters who didn’t

​@tufo6306 are you thinking of kharn not the khan

@@tufo6306 jaghatai wanted the butcher's nails?

Sorry but WTF is that last sentence in the first paragraph?

@@Battouga Fixed it. I don't know how I worded it that badly.

If you ever needed a reminder that the whole setting sounds like some guys in their early 20s that haven't left their maturity leave being 15 XD

Dorn follows the Catholic idea of Just War Theory

The fact that Malcador was more dissappointed with Magnus than with Horus or Lorgar says a lot.

True, poor fuckers just drew all the straws, yet all of them were the shortest

It was for 8 seconds before he was blew up, then give him oblivion after is dissipation and reformation.

That shit was peak comedy😂😂😂

People hate other people that are fond of themselves, probably some derivative of the crabs in a barrel urge. Fulgrim unironically is one of the most goated primarchs, only surpassed by guys like guilliman and sanguinius. He's a great fighter, great statesman, great general, he's one of the primarchs who can be useful outside of war unlike several who only know how to be good fighters and warlords. He's great by every metric.

@@jebrooksmaybe not a general, but defo a great swordsman and politician

@@plasticbag4102 he conquered a full planet with a handful of soldiers, which granted is not advisable but the fact he was capable of doing it I think shows he was a crazy good strategist and general. The decision to do such a thing might not be outstanding strategy on his part but I don't think he did it out of logic, he did it for ego, which was always an issue for him.

@@jebrooks and unknown little fun fact, hes one of the few thats not too arrogant to learn from mortals, marines, or other primarchs. Hes insecure and acts arrogant at points, but if you look at his whole character before being corrupted hes about as open and humble as it gets. Meanwhile when Dorn gets told someone betrayed the emperor he almost beats them to death but hes the level headed guy

@@aguspuig6615 fulgrim might be the only traitor primarch who got a net downgrade in their fall to chaos

Not really. He did break through then… things get complicated. His soul shattered, and well the shards that continued were there to warn him and continued to shatter after when they tried to restore his soul. He kept shattering- destroying and sabotaging himself until his death. The nobel shard was on Terra while many were scattered

Magnus did the best he could with the information he had at the time.

Is that canon or speculation?

@exquisitecorpse__ yes lol. Which part?

@@dramsac17 I hadnt gotten to that part in the video yet I just assumed this was your theory. I get it now

@Wh40kk This is the part where I go all Perturabo and say "there's power in a name" lol. But, there is. Most people use "first" and "last" because it's the foundational delineation between them. But "Alpharius" means first, and "Omegon" means last. So "the first who is last," and "the last who was first" seems fitting to me.

@@dramsac17 Oh I live how poetic that naming pattern is.

Lmao 😂 OMG, that would be so baller! Imagine that extra bit of realism! I love it!

so basically Perty sees Vulkan as someone he could have been if he didnt join the traitors

@@epiceg9464 More so what his allies could be if he had not gone traitor, wishing he had someone competent on his side rather than Fulgrim.

Lot of ppl love his books what u mean

That would be a fantastic kitbash. I already love the idea that the Warp seems to be in the process of reincarnating Sanguinius to begin with, so to mix him in with Corvax would be *great.*

Didn't people die and a remembrancer go blind?

@raushan3443 The people that died as well as the priestess who was blinded were amongst those that stayed because of they wanted to and represented maybe 1% of the whole city, perhaps less. If you want more details, you can pick up First Heretic, it's a very good book.

Yeah we want red

Probably when his schedule opens up.

Some primarchs like corvus are just extensions of their legion, But sanguinis is interesting because he's one of those primarks that are actually quite different from his legion and took great efforts to reshape their culture

I think they said a couple weeks ago that red’s gonna be gone for a few weeks due to his job

And, about Fulgrim, I think Arthur Bones has a great argument about his tragedy being the tragedy of drug addiction. Which immediately places himself in the first cathegory

They described it outside of being bleeped as when you expel...stuff (in the case of the models, a noxious looking gas) from every orifice of your body. It's not just gas, it can be other stuff that KZfaq now forces people to bleep needlessly.

Mortarion is that character who got dealt every bad hand, but just finds ways to make himself unsympathetic at every turn

Lorgar did nothing wrong

He didn't have time to build anything though. Just tinkered between missions. His masterwork of a city that served to host the Council at Nikaea was promptly torn down after being used to trial Magnus (his only warmly retatable brother) for Witchcraft. The rest recorded the Iron Warriors as an un-named ally for nutcracking the hardest compliances. The Emperor looked sadly upon him during their reunion on the mountain. "“Your road will be hard. But few are worthy of it.”, said the emperor, “I have many tasks for you. The indefatigable. The indomitable. The unrelenting. You shall be my Lord of Iron.” Perturabo almost climbed into lower orbit on that mountain to met his real Dad, and risked falling the last minutes oxygen deprived minutes. The other brothers (except Mortarion) were visited in nicer, exonomical ways. Perturabo was too overwhelmed with love and awe to care. That was betrayed in the name of utility. Corvus had a nice college dorm style visit from Big E. He saw Big E as a regular dude. The Truth was hacked by Corvus' gifts. Guilliman "Big E's Last Tool, His Last Hope) said to the dying Frater Mattieu. "The Emperor uses people." Ohh Perturabo got USED...Bigly. Big E, Brothers, All Four Chaos gods. : )

But Perturabo did grow up on a fairly civilized world, and had a loving family. He was a huge jerk. The Lion was no less the giant dickhead, and still quietly respected but disliked socially.

Perterabo had the worst sieges, the worst battles and he was the most deserving of praise yet he was always looked down upon. He was nothing more than a tool for others to use and discard as they saw fit. Yet still he carried on and did not break. He hard carried the Horus heresy and siege of terra, fought Daemon Angron and Fulgrim, won then gave them a verbal beat down only to then get soul cancer. The bloke is seeping in tragedy.

Except Perturabo didn't have time in-between. He was constantly sent around to break impossible sieges, one after another after another.

​@@spartanpiplup6229 Theres several problems with this. His entire thing was Sieges and the way he fought and lead his men was entirely up too him, fighting with gruelling attrition tactics all the time is on Pert. He didnt have the worst battles at all, he had one notably gruelling campaign, much of Perts resentment was down to his legion being spread thin because they built so many forts and left small garrisons to defend, and the Iron Warriors themselves resented being put on Guard Duty. They didnt get the shit jobs that nobody wanted to do because they we're the hardest, they were literally just given more guard duty than most other Legions, with the exception of the Fists, who didnt complain about Guard Duty, and the Ultramarines who actually liked working on the worlds they took. And Sieges are literally just digging trenches and lobbing shells at the enemy, and occasionally charging in, which, for Iron Warriors, wasnt very risky most of the time. As for the second claim. He absolutely broke, when his world rebelled and he decided to brutally supress it and basically kill everyone, it caused infighting within his Legion, and when he saw his Sister, she basically reminded him that he was meant to be the Emperors Lord of Iron, and that he was just being a petulant child, at which point, he killed her, realized she was completely right, and had a meltdown. Then Horus, who did nothing to make his life easier while he was warmaster, comes along, praises him, and Pert just does whatever he says because he knows the Emperor wont forgive him, and decides double down on being a failure and sides with Horus. He also doesnt carry the Heresy, it's a vastly overblown claim that people parrot far too much at this point. He was lucky enough to have the powerful siege engines given to him by the Lion, the Astartes Anonymous claim that he somehow played to the Lions ego simply isnt true, Lion praised Pert and tried to convince him to back him as the next Warmaster as a political move, and then gave him the siege engines, partly to gain Perts favour politically, but also because Lion knew Pert was the best guy to have them, believing he was still loyal. Pert never has to actually go up against another Primarch, he never has to fight a full Legion because the vast majority of Fists are at Terra, he nearly looses to an Imperial Fist Fleet because he decided to watch the Naval battle from his flagships Hanger bay, and only comes out of the battle as well as he does cause the Fists are ordered to retreat, and follow the order even though their winning the battle and can do irreparable damage to the Iron Warriors and likely even destroy their Flagship, with Pert on it. Hell, a boarding Party of Fists even makes it to the bridge, face to face with Pert. He isnt at Beta Garmon, he isnt at Molech, his legion has a horrible time getting torn up by the Tallarn's and a small amount of space marines from 3 or 4 legions. The most he does is at Terra, which he leaves after being replaced by the Death Guard, who frankly do perfectly fine, the Traitors had all but won without Pert, the only reason they lost was cause Horus died. Frankly, the only Legion that really did less than them was the Emperors Children. The most important thing Pert did was bring Angron into line and have a chunk of his Legion try and slow down the Ultramarines after they get through the Ruinstorm and do his best to lead the Siege effectively, and this was the only time he had to directly compete with a loyalist Primarch. And he didnt bring Fulgrim, that was Lorgar's Job. Meanwhile Mort has to handle the Khan Directly, Curze disctracts the Lion for as long as he can, Lorgar and Angron tag-team the Ultramarines and put up the Ruinstorm to block off the Ultramarines, Blood Angels and Dark Angels so the Traitors can prep for the Siege. The Alpha Legion nearly wipe out the Space Wolves, stop Corvus from making any kind of comeback in the Heresy, and fight a brief guerrilla war against Dorn long before the siege. I could go on, but Pert is absolutely Cry me a River tier, and he didnt carry the Heresy. He has his moments dont get me wrong, but his writing is all over the place. He is one of the least consistently written primarchs and thats saying something.

Cease and desist

He does look a lot like the Agent of The Nine