The Amiga in 2015 and Beyond - Trevor Dickinson A-Eon Interview

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Dan Wood

Dan Wood

9 жыл бұрын

I catch up with Trevor Dickinson from A-Eon about the AmigaOne X1000 project, AmigaOS 4 and the future of the system. Plus, his memories and why he fell in love with the original Amiga machines.
(This is a re-upload with some tweaked audio)
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@Brettjnash
@Brettjnash 8 жыл бұрын
Something wonderful has happened.... Your AMIGA is alive!
@FireDragonAndromeda
@FireDragonAndromeda 9 жыл бұрын
The only thing that has actually put me off of getting an X1000 has been the cost of it - it's not in the price range that I'd personally pay for a computer.
@FireDragonAndromeda
@FireDragonAndromeda 9 жыл бұрын
Or even hardware that's affordable and use expansion cards that can be used for backwards compatibility... the 68k processors are still in production IIRC.
@will_it_work
@will_it_work 7 жыл бұрын
In all fairness, this little run of computers isn't a blip on Apple's radar. They bought PA to start making billions of Apple designed ARM processors.
@jackl7731
@jackl7731 4 жыл бұрын
Personally I would just buy a Mac g5 and though morph os on it same experience 8 times less than cost
@commodorecave5581
@commodorecave5581 9 жыл бұрын
Wow - another excellent interview Dan. Never mind the sound, it's great to hear from such a dedicated Amigan!
@kneehighspy
@kneehighspy 9 жыл бұрын
holy cow dan, two great interviews in a row. you are on fire!
@PMCRetroGamer
@PMCRetroGamer 9 жыл бұрын
two great interviews in a row. enjoyed all. great insight into commodore and great to see that amgia os is actively still being worked on.
@005AGIMA
@005AGIMA 5 жыл бұрын
This and the interview with David Pleasance are both GREAT! The audio and video are SHOCKING lol but the content is outstanding and that is what counts. Unlike other interviews from more "polished" youtubers at the same event, you had great leading questions and you shut up and let them tell THEIR stories rather than interrupt to give your own opinions. Kudos sir.
@mungojerry70
@mungojerry70 9 жыл бұрын
Watching this interview made me late back from lunch! Much enjoyed
@GazOutbreak
@GazOutbreak 9 жыл бұрын
Much better audio than the first one. Thanks.
@Aaronage1
@Aaronage1 8 жыл бұрын
I think it'd make sense for the Amiga system to be ported to ARM. Rather than spending £££ on these very expensive, low-volume Power chips, they'd have the choice of hundreds of cheap, made by the million ARM SoCs which have more modern feature-set and better performance. How realistic that is... I don't know. I guess it depends on how much of the code is written in assembly and how well known the assembly code is (e.g. does the community understand it enough to re-write the assembly portions). Adding SMP will be the biggest headache though. It took the Linux community many years to get that right.
@bengraves9416
@bengraves9416 6 жыл бұрын
How awesome would it be if they could get Power8 CPUs in there, those puppies puppies are 12 core and hyperthread 8 cores per core (if memory serves). Not sure how easy such a set up would be... But a guy can dream. ;)
@diezi7
@diezi7 9 жыл бұрын
Trevor Rules, excellent interview Dan !
@DMStern
@DMStern 9 жыл бұрын
Not an Amiga user (though I did own a Pegasos2 board at one point), but why are the current Amiga-likes still tied to PowerPC? I don't think there's a huge amount of PPC-only software where the original author is no longer around, and switching architectures would remove so many design constraints.
@itsaPIXELthing
@itsaPIXELthing 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! :) Cheers!
@alex76gr
@alex76gr 9 жыл бұрын
Great review, well done! Still the audio is very hard to keep up. Maybe adding subtitles would help the video.
@AmigaRulez_parallax
@AmigaRulez_parallax 9 жыл бұрын
Good interview :)
@UncleAwesomeRetro
@UncleAwesomeRetro 9 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if there is to much point in focusing on improving its power. At least for me, it would be better to focus on design and software. I want a small computer with the a500 design but smaller and modernized, remakes of games to improve the graphics and framerate and a joystick. Clever software to communicate with android. Perhaps, idk this just came to me. I have a pc I use for whatever I need, so the amiga had to be cheap, special nostalgic, and have a soul.
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR
@DAVIDGREGORYKERR 7 жыл бұрын
Have you got the albums associated with the COMMODORE AMIGAS?
@PhotoRealisticBeaver
@PhotoRealisticBeaver 9 жыл бұрын
Amiga Active was the last Amiga magazine on the UK high streets.
@WowplayerMe
@WowplayerMe 8 жыл бұрын
Dan, if someone is looking to buy new Amiga Hardware in the USA, where is it available from? Thanks :)
@jackl7731
@jackl7731 5 жыл бұрын
There's a website Google it. I looked into buying one myself But too expensive. You're better off building a new PC . But if you want to run amiga OS by an old powerpc Mac much cheaper you probly get this experience
@ClayMann
@ClayMann 8 жыл бұрын
Now he's a serious fan. I wanted an A4000 so much but it was just way beyond my budget as a teenager. I actually built my own case out of wood haha and split open an A1200, added a 040/40 processor, I think it had a whopping 6mb ram and I loved it. I rendered my first 3D movie on that. It took several months of rendering and is visually laughable by todays standards. But I was living in my own future when I had Imagine running on that thing. I stayed with the Amiga platform for way too long hoping, wishing it to be successful again. When I finally sold it for a PC, the leap in performance for the 3D work I wanted to do was insane but I never loved the PC like I did the Amiga. I can't believe its still trying to be a relevant thing today. Man, let it go, it had its time and it was special in that time. Nothing lasts forever.
@ClayMann
@ClayMann 4 жыл бұрын
@BigLBA1 oh absolutely early Windows was such a dumpster fire in comparison to the well thought out Amiga. You plugged a mouse into the Amiga, it worked. You did that on PC it didnt recognise it and needed a driver and hand editing of config files. I think Windows98 started to show signs of getting there but I agree it wasn't until 2K that you had something you could trust would actually not crash daily haha. The 040 was an amazing upgrade though wasn't it? I can still remember eagerly going through all my 3D games to see how much faster they were or if they'd run at all. I do wish I'd kept the Amiga but I had to sell it to fund building a PC. Heartbreaking stuff heh
@ClayMann
@ClayMann 4 жыл бұрын
@BigLBA1 OOoh Lightwave user. I started in Imagine when it was given away free on the cover of Amiga Format. It barely ran. All my upgrades after that were chasing a better user experience in 3D, games were an afterthought. Cinema 4D was where I really cut my 3D teeth and weirdly 30 years later I'm still using Cinema 4D only it costs a hell of a lot more today haha. I wanted Lightwave so much but initially it was with the video toaster package wasn't it? Way out of a kids league there. But even when it went stand alone I think it was around £600. Cinema 4D was £85. No contest there. Not sure my memory is holding up well there but that's what I remember. What are you using today for 3D are you still into it?
@getter7seven
@getter7seven 9 жыл бұрын
Good stuff---would definitely love to see you get ahold of Trevor at least one more time somehow or another down the line, in a more controlled environ, to really pour over the finer details and full on tech/software master plans for the X-5000 once that is nearly there in full. The OS world is an increasingly bizarre one of late in terms of the er..."antics"...of the biggest of the big---never been a better time in many respects for any of the various underdogs to actually gain some real ground and establish some momentum, as even a niche following with growth potential can surely do wonders given exactly what can constitute a niche nowadays. To me, it has always seemed like the fated match-up as far as being explicitly Multimedia-centric, at least in the spirit of the thing, comes down to OS 4 (or any theoretic successor) and the BeOS successor that is the ever-scrappy Haiku. Neither camp seems to have any marked desire for nonsense---just an earnestness for software to actually play up to the strengths of the hardware and enable creation and recreation as a center of gravity as opposed to an afterthought.
@trydowave
@trydowave 9 жыл бұрын
I used to have that T-Shirt
@pferreira1983
@pferreira1983 4 жыл бұрын
The problem right now is market awareness and price. If the cost came down more people would buy the machines. Ideally what you want for the future is the new Amigas being used in some homes like back in the day.
@AdiSneakerFreak
@AdiSneakerFreak 9 жыл бұрын
To the Amiga, clink 🍻
@predcon1
@predcon1 9 жыл бұрын
To say that the Amiga didn't have a foothold in the US home market is a little bit strange.
@Checkmate1500
@Checkmate1500 8 жыл бұрын
Its a shame my question asked at the party of can all Amiga parties try to work together is considered naive. There is amazing talent in the whole Amiga community that could, if harnessed, bring about great things. I have talked to a lot of developers over the years and they would work together if Hyperion would do the same. Unfortunately Hyperion feel, rightly or wrongly, they are the torch bearer and perpetuate this non communication and problems. My concern has always been one of why try to build and sell a machine that costs more than a high end Macintosh when you can have hardware that costs peanuts, that you can run on if you go to a platform agnostic OS like Aros as a base and build your own flavour on it in the same way as Linux has done and been very successful. I proved a low cost machine can run AROS brilliantly on an Atom based machine for under £200 with all the right drivers in place and If this concept was followed, AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros and Classic could be running on any computer hardware including the Raspberry Pi which is now cheap enough to give away on a magazine. Instead of this to be running a "true" next generation Amiga costs a huge amount which people outside of a small group will not pay and then the market will gradually dwindle and die. Right now, I am happy to pay for AmigaOS4.1 classic license and run it on Amiga forever 2016 and I believe this is the best way to get this OS now. I love what Trevor has done and I have always been a huge fan, but it is time to cut the PPC only chord and move on.
@pferreira1983
@pferreira1983 4 жыл бұрын
THIS!
@matthewburroughs9597
@matthewburroughs9597 7 жыл бұрын
FUDGE ME SIDEWAYS I HAD THAT T SHIRT!!!!!!!!!! It must be at my parents house somewhere.....
@craiggilchrist4223
@craiggilchrist4223 8 жыл бұрын
Errrr why the Mic?
@danwood_uk
@danwood_uk 8 жыл бұрын
It was supposed to record better audio, but it lost it all sadly
@craiggilchrist4223
@craiggilchrist4223 8 жыл бұрын
Gutted dude, uv interviewed some cool people.
@keiichi902
@keiichi902 7 жыл бұрын
I would love a X5000 but unfortunately it is out of my price range. If the Amiga user base is to grow these systems would have to come down to the $1000 mark. I would consider one at this price even though I can get a x86 PC for about half of that.
@JimmiG84
@JimmiG84 7 жыл бұрын
The A1222/Tabor is supposed to lower the price point. The question is whether the performance will be "good enough" and also what kind of availability there will be. A €500 Amiga is no good if you can't buy them anywhere.
@will_it_work
@will_it_work 7 жыл бұрын
Shoo! Move along!
@RichardTroupe
@RichardTroupe 8 жыл бұрын
The biggest, and most glaringly obvious, stumbling block for the future success of an 'Amiga OS' is the over-reliance on the PowerPC architecture. The extortionate cost of the X1000, and no doubt the X5000, will prevent me from owning one and even considering owning one in the future! It needs to be lower priced! The state of the modern OS environment these days (thinking primarily of Windows and recent Mac incarnations) is a prime time for a relatively forward thinking and small OS to come to the fore to offer something truly different! This cannot be achieved with the overpriced PowerPC-based Amiga OS... it should be remodelled and provided via a UNIX based system. It would make far better sense and would probably make the companies behind the design of the latest Amiga OS profitable.
@protocetid
@protocetid 9 жыл бұрын
He hardly sold X1000 machines and he is making a new model? Why? I want him to succeed for the dark horse victory. lol
@nellie4847
@nellie4847 5 жыл бұрын
Sure, his petrodollars bought him a fancy computer collection, but does that make him a good Amigan, or a dangerous one? He has been funding Hyperion's lawsuits for more than 10 years. First, he helped destroy Amiga, Inc. Now, he and his Hyperion are trying to destroy Cloanto. Just so that he can control all of the Amiga world?
@MadFranko008
@MadFranko008 9 жыл бұрын
It would be great if just for once be it A-Eon or whomever happens to be the current self proclaimed "future of the Amiga" would come up with another name for their NG products that didn't include the the word "Amiga" in them or use the name Amiga to try and ride the coattails of the Amiga's legacy and pretend that what they are selling (without actually saying it) are somehow part of that legacy let alone it's future... :-/ Honestly I've got nothing against people like Trevor D making at great expense and probably not even making a profit their "NG" machines but I really genuinely wish they would leave the Amiga name & legacy alone and not use it's name to sell products that lets be honest simply aren't and never will be a part or anything to do with the real and only ever range of Commodore/ Amiga Technologies range of Amiga computers... Said it before I'll say it again, it's the real genuine original and only Amiga hardware users that have kept the Amiga alive all these years and not any of these self proclaimed "saviours & future" of the Amiga that come and go as regular as clockwork... Create, build, manufacture and hopefully sell these "NG" machines but please stop pretending to yourselves and worse still to the rest of the world that they are a part of the Amiga computer range a continuation of that range or it's legacy let alone it's "future"... ;-) Until the day someone owns all the legal rights/ IP's and manufactures a genuine new range of Amiga computers then the future of the Amiga will continue to remain as it has done for the past two decades in the hands of genuine Amiga users and no one else... no matter what the latest "saviour" self proclaims about it... ;-)
@kjetilhvalstrand1009
@kjetilhvalstrand1009 9 жыл бұрын
+MadFranko008 AGA/OCS Graphic is old and only 8bit, and slow, Paula sound is only 8bit. I only care for modern hardware, I do not care if hardware is named Amiga, AmigaONE, Pegasus or Sam, hardware is hardware. For me there is only two types of hardware, old and obsolete, and new and modern. You should face facts, no on have the money or the time to make graphics chipset that is compatible with AGA and is somehow better then what AMD or NVIDIA makes.
@MadFranko008
@MadFranko008 9 жыл бұрын
+Niding I know of a chimney sweep whose business name is "Amiga" but what has any of that got to do with Amiga computers ??? nothing of course... The Amiga name and legacy may not mean much or anything to you and that's fine but to me and many others it does. And it's kinda odd for you to say "When it comes to what is or isnt the "Amiga" range, its not really that intresting." yet you take the time to comment on it... ;-) Not quite sure why can't use your A1200 for productivity such as spreadsheets, text & presentation as it's still just as capable of doing those things as it always was, so if I were you I would indeed "give it a try" once again... :-) The Amiga still does what it always has done and does those tasks well and in an environment that is actually enjoyable to use with an OS that's more elegant and user friendly than todays bloated poorly written and ill thought out OS's that Macs and PC's unfortunately run on... I know there'll never be another "genuine" Amiga nor will there ever be a new machine in my lifetime that has to even be called "Amiga". What they should be doing (people like Trevor) is build what most people consider affordable hardware with a brand new modern capable OS that contains all the elegance, user friendliness, user customisation and lean (ie: non bloated OS) system just like the original Amiga's were and fund the complete development of a full AGA Amiga emulator that people could run on it for their "Amiga needs" if they wish and sell it as such... A brand new competitive affordable by most machine that's not called Amiga or claiming to be the "future or saviour" of the Amiga but has all the features in it's OS that made the Amiga such a great machine & OS that people wanted to use in the first place rather than be basically lumped with the only two real choices of Microsoft or Apple OS's... that's the only sensible way to go to build anything loosely "Amiga" related that has a hope of catching on and being a profitable venture... Yes I know Trevor only built his machines for himself and it happened to flourish into a business and obviously the money side of things is not that important to him, but he's probably one of the only ones to invest real money and time in anything loosely "Amiga" related... I honestly don't understand why he continues down this path of building what most people consider hardware that is too expensive, too outdated that their not willing to buy or can't afford to buy and relying on it running an OS (OS4.x) that's taken longer to build than the Egyptian empire and still is nowhere near being capable as being a modern OS even to run on the "new" hardware which like I say many think is actually outdated... In other words, Best idea in a business sense would be to drop the Amiga name, drop all the bogus claims that such hardware is "the future of the Amiga" and build a new modern machine with a new OS that gives the same feel as and enjoyment to the end user that the original Amiga OS's did and let it run an "Amiga emulator" for those whom still want to use it for their "retro" needs... ;-)
@MadFranko008
@MadFranko008 9 жыл бұрын
+Kjetil Hvalstrand Not sure why you think I'd even care what you think regarding AGA/OCS etc... only thing I find sorta interesting is why you feel the need to tell me something about yourself that is of no significance or consequence to me !!! most odd... :-o "Face Facts" !!! erm... those aren't "Facts" you just stated. Those are nothing more than your opinions the only "FACT" here is you seem to under the illusion that your opinions are somehow relevant to me or anything for that matter... ;-)
@janmansde3dede
@janmansde3dede 9 жыл бұрын
+MadFranko008 Its just a name. Who cares ?
@MadFranko008
@MadFranko008 9 жыл бұрын
Here's the thing +Niding that many seem to miss... for me it's *not nostalgia* for me using the Amiga still is to this very day for my computing needs... *reality* and has been for 30 years solid... :-) Nostalgia is for those looking back to the past, the Amiga for me is the here and now as well as the future and will be till the day I kick the bucket... :-) It may well be simply nostalgia for some but not for all of us... :-)
@jackl7731
@jackl7731 4 жыл бұрын
Alright I know this is controversial but it needs to be said amaga one is a ok attempt at this "generation of amaga" but I believe it failed . I would not consider it next generation they've been using the same CPU that was released back in 2012 I personally think if you really want to relaunch this brand find a parent company find a buyer who shares the same mission on relaunching this computer. Then you should throw everything out in the past start by using a brand new CPU brand new architecture something like AMD ryzen threadripper or a custom risc v CPU software should be based upon Linux open source, plenty of software out there . Risc v is the next generation CPU power efficient open source cheap to design and fabricate easy to scale up compatible with Nvidia gpus Debian Linux is already been ported over to RISC 5 and so have plenty of games. Get the computer on stores like Amazon or best buy, that is some your new parent company can help u with. And advertise the fuck out of it on KZfaq ads Instagram ad etc guerrilla marketing type shit.
@jackl7731
@jackl7731 5 жыл бұрын
Why is amiga or whatever was left of it why are they so using power PC it's a dead architecture Why not use an Intel or a risc 5 chip
@aidangerbofsky1301
@aidangerbofsky1301 4 жыл бұрын
PPC is not a dead platform, PowerPC is a cut-down version of the POWER ISA. If you need proof that POWER itself isn't dead, look up POWER9... It's really good. PowerPC is actually a superior architecture that is capable of emulating x86 (Intel) instructions, as well as standard RISC instructions. The problem is that system integrators keep using outdated, hot ass PPC cores (Nintendo for instance uses G3 chips for the Wii and Wii U, which have been inferior since 2001).
@jackl7731
@jackl7731 4 жыл бұрын
@@aidangerbofsky1301 what I meant to say as a dead architecture, it is dead in the consumer space most game consoles use arm or x86 PlayStation 4 uses an AMD base chip Xbox one uses an x86 base chip. Nintendo switch uses arm. Power 7 somewhat dying in the server space. Personally over at my work we are slowly transitioning from power 7 AMD epic . Because of performance per price and performance per watt. Personally I'm quite excited about the up-and-coming risc v architecture that is slowly gaining mainstream status. Back in the day powerpc was he quite capable architecture better than Intel back in the day x86 has jumped light years ahead of power architecture over the past 20 years. Power 9 has its niche applications certain parts in the server space but, most data centers and web servers are moving to x86 because of performance-per-watt/ performance per price
@aidangerbofsky1301
@aidangerbofsky1301 4 жыл бұрын
@@jackl7731 I agree with you about EPYC. EPYC/Zen is a brilliant and solved many of the problems with x84-x64 CPUs, espescially in regards to bandwith and thread scalability, and on top of all of that, It is really efficient per watt. To my knowledge the POWER9 Architecture (atleast as of 2018) is that it was on par with and sometimes even more efficient per watt than competing x86-x64 CPUs. My premise is more on the platforms potential the POWER Architecture if well optimized has inhearenlty more through put than the x86-x64 Architecture. In regards to RISC-V, I think that It has tremendous potential, but also think that that the segmenting of its ISA (M, A, F, G, G,..., ) will potentially kill it in the consumer market. There will just be to many different implementations of the ISA to make programming for it worthwhile. POWER9+ is now opensource just like RISC-V. It has been around for a while. It is fast (er than ARMv8 for sure), supports up to 8 threads per core, and is supported by a very large, stable company (IBM) that has made it clear that it is pursuing an agressive future roadmap for POWER. On top of this a consumer can buy (however expensive) a 100% opensource POWER9 Linux/BSD workstation today. This, with all of the Security vulnerabilities plaguing x86-x64, and even ARM CPUs, I think that a 100% opensource platform such as POWER or maybe RISC-V may be the best option, espescially in enterprise markets. I do love EPYC, RISC-V, and ARM, but to me they wont be nearly as viable in the longterm future as the POWER architecture.
@jackl7731
@jackl7731 4 жыл бұрын
@@aidangerbofsky1301 I do see power nine being used for AI and solving large mathematical problems like in Watson Powers 9 does have potential especially cuz it's coming a well-established company like IBM
@zaxxon9662
@zaxxon9662 8 жыл бұрын
I think most intelligent people will realise the problem with Wintel computers today is not the Intel part. All we need is a much less shit OS than OS X/Linux/Windows crap we have to use (iOS and Android and Surface are also crap)
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