The Antikythera Mechanism Explained with Dr. Tony Freeth

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Жыл бұрын

Learn the secrets of the enigmatic Antikythera Mechanism, a remarkable ancient device with intricate gears and astonishing astronomical functions that have astounded researchers for centuries.
Dr. Tony Freeth is a founding member of the Antikythera Mechanism Research Project and an Honorary Senior Research Associate at University College, London. He holds degrees in Mathematics from Cambridge University (UK) and Bristol University (UK). His work on the Antikythera Mechanism has been published in Nature (Freeth et al, Nature 2006 and Freeth et al, Nature 2008) as well as other prominent journals.
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@poughkeepsieblue
@poughkeepsieblue Жыл бұрын
I love how John and crew just let their guest talk, for over half of the episode. I am here for your amazing guests, their stories, and the good questions John asks. Good show.
@Mortonbmx
@Mortonbmx 11 ай бұрын
A rare trait in a largely narcissistic society...
@Njkk500
@Njkk500 10 ай бұрын
I wonder how it would be if Neil DT was on, would John even get a sentence in? 😂
@poughkeepsieblue
@poughkeepsieblue 10 ай бұрын
@@Njkk500 neil tyson is dipshit. He is to science, what kenneth coplan is to religion.
@toddloosli3376
@toddloosli3376 10 ай бұрын
😊
@toddloosli3376
@toddloosli3376 10 ай бұрын
😊
@_morla_
@_morla_ Жыл бұрын
For anyone interested, the youtuber/clock maker Clickspring has an amazing series where he recreates a working model from scratch while also going into its history, recent discoveries, possible ways it was created at such precision at the time, and iirc made some discoveries himself that ended up in a peer reviewed study. Pretty fascinating stuff, and extremely satisfying videos! Great interview as ever, keep up the good work John!
@ModernArtisanCasey
@ModernArtisanCasey Жыл бұрын
Was gonna suggest this and i am glad I was beat to it. I tip my hat to you... and Clickspring
@mrln247
@mrln247 Жыл бұрын
Clickspring did a beautiful job.
@mrln247
@mrln247 Жыл бұрын
It slightly boggles my mind there wasn't more fanfare of him making the device with experimental methods trying to be historically accurate and a large chunk entirely by hand. I would have expected it to go on tour around the world and be shown in exhibitions, but as far as I can tell it's just quietly gone away and just sits as a collection off KZfaq video's.
@slipperysam1337
@slipperysam1337 Жыл бұрын
Came here to shout out click spring
@markcampbell7577
@markcampbell7577 11 ай бұрын
I was wondering if this has been accurately reproduced and if I could convince them to produce a permanent magnet pendulum clock and permanent magnet motor clock..
@TheAmericanAmerican
@TheAmericanAmerican Жыл бұрын
The guest's voice is absolutely fantastic! It's like listening to a wise grandfather telling you an ancient epic! 😁
@ocalicreek
@ocalicreek 11 ай бұрын
Or a very well read Pirate. I’d buy the audio book of Treasure Island if this man read it.
@a.j.infowars7582
@a.j.infowars7582 10 ай бұрын
That’s why I listened to the whole thing ❤️
@kenlieck7756
@kenlieck7756 10 ай бұрын
@@a.j.infowars7582 If listening to a wise grandfather telling you an ancient epic is your thing, I have two words: Irving Finkel... (Are you an Infowars staffer or just a fan? I used to work with AJ back in the Sacred Cow/ACTV days...)
@a.j.infowars7582
@a.j.infowars7582 10 ай бұрын
@@kenlieck7756 thanks cool man, I love AJ & Infowars. I’m just a fan.
@traybern
@traybern 3 ай бұрын
Only SOUNDS like he smokes THREE packs a day!!!
@rptaraporevala
@rptaraporevala Жыл бұрын
Amazing! So, I have a few questions and thoughts: 1. How the beep did they "machine" or fashion the gears? 2. How did they write letters that were 1.6 to 2 mm high? 3. Did they have magnifying devices to see these letters while writing? 4. How did they read them? much better eyesight than mine or - again, magnifying devices? 5. There was a mention of a 1 mm offset between centers of spindles to get to the last cycle of the moon as described in the video. How do you manage such critical tolerances in a manufacturing process that predates current robust mechanical/automated manufacturing? 6. So, you manufactured one of the sixty odd gears (I hope my memory serves me right) - how did they verify that the gear was to spec? 7. Specification! How did they specify and draw out the device for the manufacturing team to follow - let alone design it! 8. How many discards did they have before they got a correctly working piece? 9. So, who did the QA on the device and when? One of the cycles was 19 years! So did they wait for that period (or an average of 9.5 years) to test that functionality? One can go on... So many questions and thoughts. Thank you for this detailed description.
@sottyify
@sottyify 11 ай бұрын
Some answers (These answers are my own view). . . 1) Simple tools fashioned to be filing kits. They then would cut out perfect circles from 1/8 inch thick bronze plate. As for where to cut, Clickspring does a good explainer on his second channel I believe. 2) Solder. Most glyphs and characters of the mechanism (+3,000 characters - 2019 Tony Freeth) were sculpted out of the plating, however the few above characters above the plating, were made from solder. 3) The Greeks made small bottles by winding threads of molten glass onto a core of clay mixed with manure. Blacksmiths and craftsmen alike would manufacture glass designed to magnify. 4) Eye sight - Unless you were a Roman, than you might need a translator from Greek to Latin. 5) I don't know the right answer to this. My own view is too cut precise and lightly sand until tolerance is achieved. 6) The gear is the right 'spec' when the gear has the right Module (Gear Tooth Count / Gear Diameter). Again, Clickspring's second channel goes through how they could have found this. The total number of gears: depends who you ask: Freeth, Wright, Price, C. Carman. By my count: 54 (2 Lunar Gears as per Freeth - Private Communication - Sorry :( C.Carman). 7) The Ancient Greek crafts were very Very competitive. Greek neighbours wanted to own the better version of whatever their neighbour owned. Ancient Greek crafters would obtain a version of the Mechanism, and replicate it with improvements. They'd then pass on these improvements to their apprentice, and the cycle repeats. 8) It's hard to say how much discard there was when the mechanism was in its initial construction. However, they used Bronze plating which there was an no shortage of. In it's refinement and cleaner manufacturing process, the discard would be to the minimal. 9) This question does make me smile. No, short answer. The craftsmen would set the dial to the beginning of the 19 year cycle, and wind it forward to the current date and would see if everything lined up. I've been researching the mechanism for several months for my own reconstruction for a Fully 3D printable Mechanism that anyone could print. I also know why Freeth didn't mention Clickspring but you didn't ask that question 0.0
@rptaraporevala
@rptaraporevala 11 ай бұрын
@@sottyify thanks
@traybern
@traybern 3 ай бұрын
VERY SHARP tools!
@rptaraporevala
@rptaraporevala 3 ай бұрын
@traybern yes, also the hardness of the cutting tool would have to be high. This means having a good experience with metallurgy.
@sr4087
@sr4087 2 ай бұрын
written by someone who has never made anything with their hands @@sottyify
@BriarLeaf00
@BriarLeaf00 Жыл бұрын
I could listen to this man talk about this for days. Really fascinating subject and a really wonderful orator. Thanks for letting the man speak, John, you really are a top, top notch interviewer.
@stijnvdv2
@stijnvdv2 Жыл бұрын
I'm busy writing a novel with this as one of the MacGuffins. Apparently Indiana Jones 5 took an interest in it too, the difference is that I've done my research and made a story that's rather close to the truth and close to what people would expect from an Indiana Jones type story.... Disney..... yeah from what I heard, they pretty much fucked up with it, modern tinseltown style. Such a pity, coz there is a really fascinating story to tell, I know, coz I've written it. Just need to polish some dialogue and certain scenes, but the overall story is finished, think I'm on draft 7 now, with continuous improvements on it.
@BriarLeaf00
@BriarLeaf00 Жыл бұрын
@@stijnvdv2 screw Hollywood, if you've got a great story to tell, then tell it. Good writing will stand on its own regardless of what other people do. Best of luck in your endeavors.
@macysondheim
@macysondheim Жыл бұрын
@@BriarLeaf00 it’s all total bogus. None of these things have every been proven scientifically. The truth is that Christ sacrificed himself for your sins & was sent to earth to cleanse mankind of all sin & evil, all that’s required is you repent to Christ & accept as Lord & savior
@stijnvdv2
@stijnvdv2 Жыл бұрын
@@macysondheim right.... 🙄 the psychology of ideologies and cults is no doubt fascinating, just as with the (in my opinion mentally ill) woke people. But that's not the topic of conversation here.
@BriarLeaf00
@BriarLeaf00 Жыл бұрын
@@macysondheim Lololol
@baarbacoa
@baarbacoa Жыл бұрын
I saw it when even through the National Archeological Museum. I called my wife over and said "look it's the Antikythera mechanism!" She said, "Uh, Ok...." But to her credit, she pretended to be excited after she saw I was hyped up about seeing it.😂😂
@ulfhedtyrsson
@ulfhedtyrsson Жыл бұрын
*files for divorce*
@baarbacoa
@baarbacoa Жыл бұрын
@@ulfhedtyrsson She was an artist, and appreciates art much more than science and history. I've probably underappreciated great art at times.
@ulfhedtyrsson
@ulfhedtyrsson 11 ай бұрын
Sorry it's just a joke
@baarbacoa
@baarbacoa 11 ай бұрын
@@ulfhedtyrsson I know. My post makes it sound like she's a dummy. But I was just letting folks know that's not the case. It's that our interests are not 100% aligned
@KaterinaStamatelos
@KaterinaStamatelos 10 ай бұрын
@@baarbacoa You might find this fact interesting: medicine, by the Ancient Greeks, was considered an "art" while MUSIC was considered a science! Their "ascending scale of Knowledge" was: Arithmetic, Geometry, Stereometry, Music, Astronomy. This is why ALL Greeks (including children and women) had to learn Music! They were also taught to love LIFE, conquer their fear of Death and do NOT expect life "after death" (unless they became heroes-serving Humanity-then Gods might grand them IMMORTALITY) and to always look at the stars at night, because "that's where the Greeks came from"!
@BloodyBobJr
@BloodyBobJr Жыл бұрын
Antikythera Mechanism I think is one of the greatest discoveries in archeology maybe ever. Only certain events could be higher, like the discovery of Tutankhamen tomb or finding the burial complex of the 1st Emperor of China or the ancient structure of Göbekli Tepe. But for me this Mechanism blows me away.. just the questions it brings up intrigue me too no end. Who made it? How many were around in ancient times. How old is this device really, could it be a design 100's or even 1000 years older than its determined age. Was this some one off Genius creation by some master craftsman or was this a ancient design passed on through the ages. This level of technology is 1000's of years ahead of established understanding.. I wish it was talked about more. Some experts seem to dismiss it, cause we never found any other devices like it or even similar kinds of evidence. The fact it's only one of it's kind ever found is absolutely insane. It generates so many questions in my mind, it basically rewrites how we envision people of those ancient times. How many other inventions of that time have we never seen?
@markbeames7852
@markbeames7852 Жыл бұрын
Check 27:50 for possible construction dates.
@NarenLumpkin
@NarenLumpkin 11 ай бұрын
Our history is an estimate @ best we forget more than we remember, HUMANS ARE DESIGNED TO FORGET WHAT THEY CANNOT UNDERSTAND. Understanding
@a.j.infowars7582
@a.j.infowars7582 10 ай бұрын
The advanced technology was lost during a cataclysmic event.
@tatradak9781
@tatradak9781 10 ай бұрын
It's all in the mathematics... But without knowing the cycles then the formula could not be created.. There wasone point mentioned which give a clue to the date.. The accuracy calculated is not as precise as today.. What calculations amd how inaccurate? This will should be able to be picked up via Pi.
@ShizukuSeiji
@ShizukuSeiji 10 ай бұрын
@@a.j.infowars7582 "The advanced technology was lost during a cataclysmic event." No it wasn't.
@mikedjames
@mikedjames Жыл бұрын
Some time in the 1990s I was on holiday near Athens. I went to visit the NAM in Athens and find the Mechanism before the Mechanism had been decoded. I think IBM had taken a look at it and done some X-Rays but it was displayed in a corner surrounded by many vases which seemed to be presented as more important than something with gears in it.. I am glad I have seen it for real.
@kickpublishing
@kickpublishing 11 ай бұрын
A mechanism like that did not exist in isolation but was the result of a whole school of science and engineering. Just shows how partial our knowledge of history is
@miaj5118
@miaj5118 11 ай бұрын
Yes its called astrology
@KaterinaStamatelos
@KaterinaStamatelos 10 ай бұрын
@@miaj5118 Wrong: in Ancient Greece it was called ASTRONOMY. Huge difference!
@dennisdrayna9383
@dennisdrayna9383 7 ай бұрын
A remarkable explanation of the history and function of what is probably the most important object we have from the ancient world. Dr. Freeth, who made many of the crucial discoveries about this object, gives simple, user-friendly explanations. I highly recommend his two papers in Nature, which are easy for non-scientists to understand, and which convey the intellectual excitement that surrounded this work. Best of all, Dr. Freeth credits the many contributions made by others in this amazing story. The best 53 minutes I've spent in a long time.
@JonnoPlays
@JonnoPlays 11 ай бұрын
I watched the full Stanford presentation on this device and it was absolutely incredible. Very technical and difficult to understand, but still very much worth the watch. KZfaq does a good job of recommending the video so you should be able to find it.
@ryanb9749
@ryanb9749 Жыл бұрын
The Scientists and Engineers that built this device 2200 years ago were incredible, and they don't get enough respect.
@erikjrn4080
@erikjrn4080 11 ай бұрын
Well, they made a few mistakes. For instance, there's no user manual, and no customer support. They don't even have a Web site with a faq! The main problem with giving them credit, though, is that they forgot to sign the bloody piece. There isn't even a company logo! I'm not entirely joking. Respect needs an object; something to be respected. We can admire their work, and respect their skill, but we can't respect them, because we don't know who they are. They may have been OK with that, though. I'm getting a serious nerd vibe from this mechanism, so they might have preferred to shut themselves into their workshop and avoid attention.
@CharlieBrown-zr9wk
@CharlieBrown-zr9wk 11 ай бұрын
They were black 😂😂😂😂
@ryanb9749
@ryanb9749 11 ай бұрын
@@CharlieBrown-zr9wk They were Greek...
@kidssport8167
@kidssport8167 10 ай бұрын
They had help
@RiversJ
@RiversJ 10 ай бұрын
This is caused by the myopic tendency of some people to think technological and cultural advancement is somehow linear when history clearly shows that is quite far from the historical trend. The people who made such were absolute experts at their trades back then and you'd need to look hard to find modern engineers who could build similar complexity devices leveled to our current tech base. They exist for sure but it's likely a smaller share than we'd care to admit.
@TheAmericanAmerican
@TheAmericanAmerican Жыл бұрын
Amazing! Incredible! Outstanding episode John! As someone who used to believe a decade ago that ancient alien made this device and gave it to ancient humans, listening to an actual expert explain his discoveries about this Incredible HUMAN-MADE device almost brought tears to my eyes... We humans are unbelievably clever given enough time and resources! We built our current global civilization on the shoulders of giants and we have to make sure we can be the next giants for our descendants to stand on!
@legitbeans9078
@legitbeans9078 10 ай бұрын
I'm glad you're no longer so silly to think that aliens have contacted humans.
@monsvillerailways5736
@monsvillerailways5736 9 ай бұрын
So how did they build such a precision device in that early time? Your original deduction is more realistic. Not made by humans... with the level of technology required to create such a device it seems obvious this was not man made back then. What other conclusion is there? 1mm precision back then???
@ohgary
@ohgary 9 ай бұрын
We stand on the shoulders of giants and the signal issue of our times is whether to allow our governments to sexually mutilate children. Thank goodness for videos like this.
@babybluesky9238
@babybluesky9238 Жыл бұрын
oh well there's tonights video sorted... Just spent 2 hours listening to a breakdown of how they figured this out - this will be a great follow on, thank you GMD - been watching for years
@jackesioto
@jackesioto Жыл бұрын
The Antikythera mechanism was WAY ahead of its time no matter how you look at it! Gears are generally thought to have been invented during the medieval period, but here we have a set of gears from Antiquity!
@drgunsmith4099
@drgunsmith4099 Жыл бұрын
Yes and they been hiding things ever since about our true human history.
@view1st
@view1st Жыл бұрын
Before you make such claims check with the Chinese. More often than not they will have invented something first.
@view1st
@view1st Жыл бұрын
Before you make such claims check with the Chinese. More often than not they will have invented something first.
@nickmonk7945
@nickmonk7945 11 ай бұрын
Not only a set of gears but an incredibly small and precise set some with teeth only 1.6mm long! Contrast this with the crude gearings of medieval times!
@thesenamesaretaken
@thesenamesaretaken 11 ай бұрын
@@view1st I believe the process goes thus Mediterranean: hey check out this cool idea India: um actually we invented it first China: ayyy lmao
@TheSouthernorycle
@TheSouthernorycle Жыл бұрын
Really blows my mind that this channel doesn’t have several million subscribers. Love your content John!
@alexherbert9404
@alexherbert9404 Жыл бұрын
Aliens, space tech, dinosaurs and ancient humanity ....this podcast reads my fantasies. Cheers John. Awesome.
@johnhickey6114
@johnhickey6114 Жыл бұрын
All of the above ❤ I see dinosaurs as aliens in a way.
@ivan-Croatian
@ivan-Croatian Жыл бұрын
I love these videos to watch before sleep. I'm thinking about what's being said until my brain slowly switching to dream, and those dreams are trippy as hell. And I basically must watch one video 3-4 times until I get to the end of it 😄
@cropcircle5693
@cropcircle5693 Жыл бұрын
Literally me!! This channel and Isaac Arthur are about the only way I get to sleep! Anton Petrov is great too but his videos usually aren't long enough.
@PatPauloMMA
@PatPauloMMA Жыл бұрын
So you put it on and fall asleep to it? I do that with The Why Files. I’ll start with this channel too. Thanks
@ethyrice
@ethyrice Жыл бұрын
@@PatPauloMMA Always!
@txrwauy
@txrwauy Жыл бұрын
This was another incredible episode. I learned so much, having known very little about this topic before. I am in awe of the craftsmanship, design work and attention to scientific detail that the Greeks put into this mechanism. I don't need people telling me that aliens built the pyramids etc - our ancestors were capable of incredible feats of engineering all on their own by putting in a lot of thought and hard, skilled work. Dr Freeth spoke very well and is obviously passionate about his subject.
@yerabbit6333
@yerabbit6333 Жыл бұрын
There has been so much nonsense when discussing this device. Fun though it is to speculate, it's nice to hear some real discussion about it!
@alexprice104
@alexprice104 Жыл бұрын
Great show. Absolutely fascinating.
@exoexpansion
@exoexpansion Жыл бұрын
Î am fascinated by this and the fact that the ancient Greeks built such a machine. It only proves that my old obsession with ancient Greece is not that crazy.
@roshee5573
@roshee5573 3 ай бұрын
The discovery of devices like this just make one wonder what other great knowledge was lost and forgotten . Imagine if these sort of this were never lost
@EksaStelmere
@EksaStelmere Жыл бұрын
It really feels as though the tendecy for man to disassemble and recycle metals like the copper alloys has caused lots of old world tech to vanish.
@captainhakob814
@captainhakob814 Жыл бұрын
I mean they took the pyramid cap stones off to build a city. People are too lazy to cut the stone, mine the metal themselves so we are recyclers. I feel like a lot of humans are good at reconstituting objects to achieve a goal, maybe it's because we have been doing it so long.
@John-mf6ky
@John-mf6ky 11 ай бұрын
I love seeing John branching out a little from the typical topics. This mechanism has always fascinated ne!
@EventHorizonShow
@EventHorizonShow 11 ай бұрын
More to come!
@John-mf6ky
@John-mf6ky 11 ай бұрын
​@@EventHorizonShowcan't wait to watch and listen to it! Hope all is well with you and yours ✌️
@John-mf6ky
@John-mf6ky 11 ай бұрын
Hopefully doing some different topics like these will bring you in some more viewers and subs. You definitely deserve way more than you have!
@dannyarcher6370
@dannyarcher6370 Ай бұрын
31:30 - It's so humbling looking back at our ancestors from more than two millennia, and knowing that they were just as ingenious and curious in understanding their world as we are, despite their lack of knowledge and technology.
@Grandremone
@Grandremone Жыл бұрын
I love the humility on this guy
@AbbStar1989
@AbbStar1989 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel so much. Every time a new video drops it's such a good feeling.
@EventHorizonShow
@EventHorizonShow Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@seranonable
@seranonable 11 ай бұрын
keep in mind that ancient people took omens very seriously and the cosmos was a great source of omens... so if you're an emperor, or a general or a city-planner, or some high level decision-maker, a computer that can track major omens in the cosmos with a high degree of accuracy could potentially be a priceless asset. important to consider these things through what we know about people's worldview at the time.
@robsan52
@robsan52 11 ай бұрын
Well...maybe. Much of what we know about ancient culture and the educated people of the time is just made up by archeologists to fit a convenient theory that shows history is completely linear and that we are the end all and be all and everything great about homo sapiens. Much of history is just fantasy created to explain ancient cultures that doesn't upset the pet theories of the status quo. Archeology is not much of a science...its more of a philosophy created in the humanities.
@MichaelWilliams-pg4hn
@MichaelWilliams-pg4hn Жыл бұрын
Great show. Great guest 👍
@derp195
@derp195 Жыл бұрын
Love. This. Topic. Can't wait to watch later!
@idea999
@idea999 10 ай бұрын
Another big thing people are missing with this device is how they were able to strategically place so many gears into such a small device and have it operate smoothly without binding up.
@cholst1
@cholst1 Жыл бұрын
Great to get this "from the horses mouth" so to speak! Such fascinating item.
@8-7-styx94
@8-7-styx94 10 ай бұрын
There's a video here on youtube of someone recreating the Antikythera mechanism. Took him something like 18 months with modern machines. I can only imagine how many years this must have taken to make in Ancient Greece.
@uktenatsila9168
@uktenatsila9168 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding interview. Thank you.
@LordTempist
@LordTempist Жыл бұрын
Love the podcast. I really look forward to seeing all of these. Thank you so much.
@peterdhess6913
@peterdhess6913 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for topics and guests I hope to hear ! Thanks John & co
@uwu-gr7il
@uwu-gr7il 11 ай бұрын
Your guest is a.great fast thinking speaker. If you were to print out and read all of of his dialogue,it would be a perfect script for a documentary his study of the previous people studying the mechanism and the origin of the discovery are ingrained in his contiousness and the way he keeps me glued to this episode even though I have heard most of these facts previously after viewing every KZfaq channel I could find on the subject. Personally I would like to see individual photos of everything found from the shipwreck
@aceloco817
@aceloco817 2 ай бұрын
Shoot, i thought it was a documentary! Lol. Great voice too.
@walterwally983
@walterwally983 10 ай бұрын
This was great "new" information. Absolutely enjoyed this! Thank you both!
@jaymobiggety9903
@jaymobiggety9903 Жыл бұрын
This was extra good, thank you!
@paige-vt8fn
@paige-vt8fn Жыл бұрын
Incredibly interesting, thanks for another great interview and video, John. ♥️👍
@ryanb9749
@ryanb9749 Жыл бұрын
I'm loving these archeology episodes. I wonder if Eric Cline would be interested in doing an interview. 🤔
@MB-nn3jw
@MB-nn3jw 10 ай бұрын
Great interview/discussion on an amazing artefact that still holds immense fascination, and unanswered questions still.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
No love for Chris from Clickspring? I mean his reconstruction might be as flawed as others from a theoretical point of view but it's probably the most advanced from a manufacturing perspective and we _are_ on KZfaq after all.
@EventHorizonShow
@EventHorizonShow Жыл бұрын
Wasn’t aware of it. Will look into it.
@unvergebeneid
@unvergebeneid Жыл бұрын
@@EventHorizonShow oh you're in for a treat!
@rodrigoff7456
@rodrigoff7456 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this incredible podcast!
@matc4882
@matc4882 Жыл бұрын
Great journey you took us on,beautifully informative. Tiny criticism- you don’t need the music - it distracts rather than adds to the sense of wonder
@ShizukuSeiji
@ShizukuSeiji 10 ай бұрын
"Tiny criticism- you don’t need the music" I thought it was fine and added to the sense of wonder of the spoken voice.
@peterpayne2219
@peterpayne2219 10 ай бұрын
Outstanding video! I’ve never been so enthralled!
@EventHorizonShow
@EventHorizonShow 10 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@jtucker4419
@jtucker4419 11 ай бұрын
Excellent coverage. Keep it coming. ❤
@FairwayJack
@FairwayJack 10 ай бұрын
... the question remains "why did the ancients want to track eclipses?" ... how did it serve their purposes?
@sofia_ines
@sofia_ines 11 ай бұрын
I subscribed yesterday! This is great content, thank you!
@thepartysjustbegun5557
@thepartysjustbegun5557 10 ай бұрын
That was amazingly interesting, I've been interested in this for a long time and this was a well shared insight into the understanding of it.
@lisabracken9317
@lisabracken9317 11 ай бұрын
The 2016 Stanford lecture was just as engaging! Thank you all for the new review!
@jtcorey7681
@jtcorey7681 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for keeping the imagery on the device and not on talking heads. Well done.
@zvisger
@zvisger Ай бұрын
Yes! Good ol John Godier, I know it's gonna be good when he's the speaker.
@PBeringer
@PBeringer Жыл бұрын
Such a fan of Tony Freeth! Michael Wright's working models are pretty incredible; he's the quintessential eccentric English, garden shed engineer/inventor. This was a fantastic listen! When was this interview recorded; close to 2 June 2023, or earlier?
@DesignateVoid
@DesignateVoid Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this one
@MadderMel
@MadderMel Жыл бұрын
One of the most amazing objects we've ever seen on Earth
@beekneed
@beekneed 3 ай бұрын
Astonishing! Thank you!
@nedporkus8602
@nedporkus8602 9 ай бұрын
The core question missing from this conversation is motive. Within the cultural context of the ancient world why would the ability to predict future cycles and movements of the moon and planets, eclipses and other astronomical events matter enough to invest the considerable resources required to design and build a machine capable of calculating and making these astronomical forecasts with such precision? It seems to me that astrology, pantheistic religion, and the prevalent belief in mystical omens and prophesy was of very great importance to the ancients. The ability to predict when an eclipse will next happen or when the moon with it's seemingly variable pace of movement through the sky would next be in a particular house of the zodiac were of great importance to all sorts of administrative decisions, war strategy, and pretty much any other project planning that the ancients might want to undertake. If I'm right about this, then the Antikythera Mechanism is a remarkable artifact in so far as it employed very sophisticated mathematics, scientific observations, and technological skill in the service of what was ultimately a mystical end goal or purpose of assisting augury and oracular prophesy. The mechanism was probably a sacred object of the priests of some temple, something secretly consulted before they would pronounce an answer to a question put to their oracle. The shipwreck it was found on sounds like it was probably a treasure ship filled with looted spoils of war, and a sacred object capable of predicting the movements of the heavens would certainly be considered a great treasure in the ancient world.
@denvan3143
@denvan3143 3 ай бұрын
The Enigma machine, and the Antikythera mechanism Are two of my favorite devices, one from antiquity, and the other from recent history (I have apps for both on my iPhone). Thanks for this great interview.
@c0ldsh0w3r
@c0ldsh0w3r Жыл бұрын
Lovely as always
@jamielondon6436
@jamielondon6436 11 ай бұрын
Utterly fascinating!
@sergicardo5631
@sergicardo5631 11 ай бұрын
Congrats, amazing podcast!
@EventHorizonShow
@EventHorizonShow 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for listening
@algini12
@algini12 10 ай бұрын
28:40 Just a minor correction, Cicero was Roman not Greek. Though he also had a Greek education, so no doubt that's what caused the mistake. But Doctor Freeth explained the device very simply and very well. One of the best explanations of something from the ancient wold that I have ever heard. If I had more Profs like him in college, I might have actually learned something there.😀
@DwainDwight
@DwainDwight Жыл бұрын
it's amazing also that with everything we have, the decades of work etc... we still haven't completely figured it out yet or have a complete working model. so intriguing
@manuellubian5709
@manuellubian5709 10 ай бұрын
Fascinating video.
@johndoe-ep7qk
@johndoe-ep7qk 10 ай бұрын
genius mechanism and lovely presentation
@redeyedjedi1853
@redeyedjedi1853 5 ай бұрын
One of the most fascinating archeological objects ever discovered
@rerooar
@rerooar 7 ай бұрын
Having an interest in design, I personally think the most interesting part of this is the development phase that went into creating it. I mean how many steps of more simple mechanisms went before it? Was it possible to be a one off creation? I doubt it, was this a top line model of a more common device? We'll never know but I think its intriguing.
@amangogna68
@amangogna68 Жыл бұрын
Great video !
@brenton2561
@brenton2561 Жыл бұрын
Seems like this would be invaluable for navigation in an open ocean when clouds obscure the sky.
@middleagedwhitebloke
@middleagedwhitebloke Жыл бұрын
👍🏻 fascinating, enthralling.
@MichielHollanders
@MichielHollanders Жыл бұрын
Fascinating!
@blacktriangle9490
@blacktriangle9490 Жыл бұрын
Love the show guys ❤
@aljosacebokli
@aljosacebokli Жыл бұрын
what a remarkable interview....time flew
@EventHorizonShow
@EventHorizonShow Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching.
@MAElbashir
@MAElbashir 11 ай бұрын
This is absolutely amazing. It very hard for us to understand this device because we don't really now how much the ancient people new. This device shows the knowledge of these people more than the written history does.
@caseyrharris
@caseyrharris Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@michaelbruns449
@michaelbruns449 Жыл бұрын
We've done this all before, risen up and driven down over and over again for probably millions upon millions of years.
@juliafox7904
@juliafox7904 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating
@urphakeandgey6308
@urphakeandgey6308 Жыл бұрын
On the topic of why they made the Antikythera Mechanism, but not simpler things like clocks: Just because they could make the Antikythera Mechanism doesn't mean a clock would be easy. Why go through the intense effort of manufacturing something that tells the time? The average pleb at the time probably just looked at where the sun was in the sky and said "yeah, it's about dusk." That was all the timekeeping they needed. If they really wanted something more accurate, even a sundial would be infinitely more easier and reasonable to make. So why the Antikythera Mechanism? I think because it literally tracks the movement of The Heavens... Of the Gods... It basically calculated divine knowledge. Might as well make at least one of these both for it's potential practical purposes and as a tribute to The Gods it keeps track of.
@JohnMichaelGodier
@JohnMichaelGodier Жыл бұрын
The thing about clocks is that they had them. The Greco-Roman world had really elaborate water clocks, some even self-correcting to a degree, so the concept was there. It just appeared that they hadn't made the leap to the job of the water being done through a wound metal spring. They may not have had springs, but It might also just have been a matter that they did actually know to do that, but these mechanisms were so expensive to construct at the time that no one bit when the water clocks and sun dials were good enough.
@Carnagath82
@Carnagath82 11 ай бұрын
As a Greek guy who has tried to read some of the transcribed text on the machine (and understands most of the words), it looks like a user's manual that was printed right on top of the device. Many words are missing of course, but in general I think it's trying to explain to the user what the outputs mean. That's probably the reason for the small text, they just had to fit all those words there. I just find that very interesting, because if that's true it means that the device was made for laymen, it wasn't a device that was shared between scientists in academies. Probably government officials or farmers or just rich people who wanted a cool gadget and didn't understand/weren't interested in learning how it works, they just wanted to be able to read it.
@richarddietzen3137
@richarddietzen3137 10 ай бұрын
I think you’ve understood it exactly. A device that could be use to predict in advance when the gods would smile or frown could have led to success or failure of human enterprise under the polytheistic belief system of astronomical signs. Wealthy men and kings would pay a fortune to accurately ensure that fate smiled upon risky endeavors. Whoever could establish himself as a guarantor of heavenly signs would be a most trusted advisor, or a proven analog computing device might do so without the chance of subterfuge. No disruption of space-time continuum required.
@baarbacoa
@baarbacoa Жыл бұрын
Technology like this must have taken generations upon generations to mature. Ignoring what they might have used this device for, there almost had to be various sorts of complex gear devices being used by relatively wealthy people.
@madmattdigs9518
@madmattdigs9518 Жыл бұрын
Yes, you would certainly think so. They didn’t just suddenly create a device like this… without any predecessor. Even if those earlier examples of this technology are out there somewhere waiting to be discovered, the creator of this one had to be an absolute genius. It’s fascinating to think about.
@Atrahasis7
@Atrahasis7 Жыл бұрын
That is certainly the suspicion of many historians but the lack of evidence prevents speculation. But I mean when one looks at the relative sophistication of the greco roman world, its almost unavoidable. Its like all the other books from antiquity mentioned only in passing. Happens all the time. A good example for the anglo world is like if Shakespeare whole saved body of work would be A Midsummer Night's Dream, but in passing by other peoples writing you hear there were other works like Hamlet or Macbeth. Probably masterpieces but who knows.
@Dragrath1
@Dragrath1 Жыл бұрын
@@Atrahasis7 Yeah it has been noted however that because its bronze once any tool or other artifact is no longer needed/useful they generally remelted it down because bronze was very valuable. Thus the absence of such artifacts outside of things lost at sea or burial isn't that surprising either.
@drgunsmith4099
@drgunsmith4099 Жыл бұрын
Makes one wonder what’s been lost to time that we don’t know anything about.
@reidspeed77
@reidspeed77 Жыл бұрын
Superb...knowledge....knowledge.... knowledge .....the group that produced this could be flying 🛸 those discs we se .........fascinating ....music in background is very cool.....
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer
@JohnRodriguesPhotographer 10 ай бұрын
This us a great video on a facinating device. The questions it creates and some of answers are startling. I hope Xtech, not sure of the spelling, is doing well. They pursued an expensive project when most businesses would have been more concerned with existence.
@HAL-vu8ef
@HAL-vu8ef Жыл бұрын
Look for ancient jewellery and religious icons that have over engineered parts that look like gears and you may find repurposed parts of a broken mechanism.
@ArienMasterpiece
@ArienMasterpiece Жыл бұрын
Love love love a Thursday, Event Horizon is a highlight of every week, greatness! 🙌❤💫
@colonelgraff9198
@colonelgraff9198 Жыл бұрын
You have fallen Into Event Horizon… …In which we liiiiiiive.
@Hokunin
@Hokunin 8 ай бұрын
I can't believe Archimedes could create this using tools of his time. What genius. We gotta recreate this mechanism and look for time rifts in the air!
@jeffreyc5963
@jeffreyc5963 Жыл бұрын
Just….amazing…!
@ralphwalters906
@ralphwalters906 Жыл бұрын
The device is anchored upon this ratio, 1445 * (7007/12) / 365.2422 1445 : 2310 Venus Synodic Cycles : Earth Years 7007/12 = 583.917 days Precisely 12 phases of Venus in 7007 days on Earth.
@jamesflake6601
@jamesflake6601 2 ай бұрын
It took 100 years plus to understand this mechanism and we're still learning about it. I was always told in school we live in the height of technological advancements. But do we really?
@harryrammer
@harryrammer 2 ай бұрын
The Greeks made some incredible mechanism all those years ago. Nowadays, they make incredible souvlaki pitta wraps - you know, the ones with the chips and white sauce😋
@LeonDegrelle.z
@LeonDegrelle.z Ай бұрын
well same with the Chinese lol they invented loads of stuff
@Jay_in_Japan
@Jay_in_Japan Жыл бұрын
Imagine future humans find a Nokia phone, then create a whole project and research group for this one unique mechanism.
@Mindfultranslations
@Mindfultranslations 10 ай бұрын
I’m an idiot in denial… I claim to be well read concerning the Greeks and Roman’s and history in general… but for the recent ads for Harrison fords upcoming movie? I’ve never heard of this device nor it’s discovery! Thanks for uploading.
@GareWorks
@GareWorks Жыл бұрын
This is a subject I've been fascinated with for many years now (well over a decade, at least). It's honestly one of the most remarkable pieces of historical technology and, perhaps, one of the most poignant examples of (supposed) anachronism.
@HAL-vu8ef
@HAL-vu8ef Жыл бұрын
The engraved text, thousands of digits, were less than 2mm tall, did they have magnifying glasses back then ?
@traybern
@traybern 3 ай бұрын
They ate a LOT of carrots!
@toolegittoquit_001
@toolegittoquit_001 Жыл бұрын
Yes. This is a fascinating topic Edit : Remarkably fortunate that this find was managed by the Government instead of pillaged by treasure hunters 🥺
@VideoconferencingUSA
@VideoconferencingUSA 11 ай бұрын
Wow, pretty cool
@TheOriginalJAX
@TheOriginalJAX 11 ай бұрын
William of Ockham - "plurality should not be posited without necessity" was the original rendition of the razor.
@nicholasmills6489
@nicholasmills6489 Жыл бұрын
That explains the mechanism but how did it work in practice. How did they set it up, was it continuous or could the set up with reference to stars and moon. Sorry if discussed, at gym whilst watching and sometimes I have to focus on exercise. But what an excellent way to enjoy exercise by listening to one of my favourite podcast.
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