The arms race between air attack and air defence

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24 күн бұрын

The course of warfare throughout the 20th century has been dominated by air power. From the early biplanes of the First World War to the massed bomber formations of the Second, air power has been used to scout and attack enemy forces, dominating the theatre of war. This has led to an arms and technology race between air attack, and air defence.
Following the Second World War, and later into the Vietnam War, a new concept of aerial warfare was developed - the Suppression of Enemy Air Defences. SEAD would see the integration of technologically advanced systems to destroy the enemy’s ability to defend itself from the air.
In this video, Robert Rumble takes a look at two pivotal conflicts of the 20th Century, and how they were key in the development and evolution of SEAD.
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@pjbth
@pjbth 23 күн бұрын
2:58 Thank you for using the proper wording
@flybeep1661
@flybeep1661 23 күн бұрын
hear hear!
@jacksonwood229
@jacksonwood229 22 күн бұрын
I was not expecting it and greatly appreciate that he didn't even hesitate.
@benbristow8412
@benbristow8412 21 күн бұрын
@@jacksonwood229 hell yeah
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 21 күн бұрын
@@jacksonwood229He's British, swearing is one of our national pastimes.
@jacksonwood229
@jacksonwood229 21 күн бұрын
@@owensmith7530 I wondered where Australians got it from
@colonelblastpack169
@colonelblastpack169 21 күн бұрын
the way he explains BUFF with his proper British accent and deapan university lecturing voice is pure gold.
@gojithecringe
@gojithecringe 23 күн бұрын
B-52s nickname is a treasure
@Samuftie
@Samuftie 23 күн бұрын
2:58
@andrewemery4272
@andrewemery4272 22 күн бұрын
The Baby Killer
@pyro1047
@pyro1047 22 күн бұрын
I prefer the C-5 Galaxys of "Linda Lovelace", if you know you know, especially if you know why/which features and abilities got it that nickname and how it correlates. But for your BUFF fix, the C-5's alternate nickname is simply "FRED" or "F**king Ridiculous Economic Disaster" due to its severe and constant cost overruns when initially introduced. At least it's not as insulting as the SLUF (Vought/LTV A-7 Corsair II).
@b.griffin317
@b.griffin317 22 күн бұрын
I'm pretty sure it didn't end in "-er." Just saying.
@martinbrode7131
@martinbrode7131 18 күн бұрын
A treasure? Are you nuts, man?
@michaelhowell2326
@michaelhowell2326 23 күн бұрын
Y'all deserve a like just for saying what BUFF stood for without chuching up.
@jonathan_careless
@jonathan_careless 22 күн бұрын
5:20 This was unbelievably dangerous and Wild Weasel Pilots referred to this as "Hunting elephant guns with elephants." 😕
@bushidotenshi
@bushidotenshi 22 күн бұрын
Very funny! But these elephants are equipped with electronic countermeasures and long range missiles!
@MadMatt13
@MadMatt13 20 күн бұрын
Maxim respect for using the full namet crews used. History like that should always be remembered. Thank you.
@RingoBars
@RingoBars 21 күн бұрын
Just here to add my voice to the chorus of: “thanks for using the proper naming for the BUFF” lol
@willcutty
@willcutty 23 күн бұрын
b52 =buff........love it
@b.griffin317
@b.griffin317 22 күн бұрын
My visit to Duxford was one of the highlights of my trip to the UK two years ago. Still have fond memories.
@MaxPower-11
@MaxPower-11 19 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, this video completely skipped over the most pivotal SEAD campaign of the 20th century: Operation Mole Cricket 19, which the Israeli Air Force carried out in 1982 - halfway between the Vietnam War and the Gulf War. It set the standard for SEAD campaigns worldwide that followed. The Israelis developed the comprehensive SEAD strategy that was carried out during that operation over the span of a decade following their almost total failure to destroy soviet-supplied AA systems from the air during the 1973 Yom Kippur War (and the resulting degradation of the IAF’s capabilities during the 1973 war due to this failure).
@mynorsdiscord
@mynorsdiscord 23 күн бұрын
Never thought I’d hear swearing on this Chanel 😂
@bloke755
@bloke755 22 күн бұрын
Fook yeah !! 😆
@GNRtommy
@GNRtommy 21 күн бұрын
It certainly elicited a giggle from me.
@I8ASUPRAforLUNCH
@I8ASUPRAforLUNCH 19 күн бұрын
Curiously refreshing.
@Aeronaut1975
@Aeronaut1975 22 күн бұрын
"SEAD" is usually pronounced as "seed", as opposed to "S-e-a-d" (for brevity). Hats off for not bleeping out what the acrony of "BUFF" stands for. Also, no mention of the F-111 Raven?!
@danbuck11
@danbuck11 19 күн бұрын
Seems to have been a piece centered around the exhibits the IWM has in Duxford and sadly they don't have a F-111
@vincentearlcarteriii1296
@vincentearlcarteriii1296 5 күн бұрын
I'm glad someone said it!
@RuskiVodkaaaa
@RuskiVodkaaaa 10 күн бұрын
2:58 anyone else burst out laughing how random and unexpected this just was lmao
@pancho1993
@pancho1993 18 күн бұрын
Much appreciated the buff nickname, explanation. You have my respect! 😂
@54mgtf22
@54mgtf22 22 күн бұрын
Always interesting. Thanks IWM 👍
@markwray3905
@markwray3905 23 күн бұрын
Thanks for posting 😊
@timgosling6189
@timgosling6189 22 күн бұрын
For reference, those in the business pronounce it as in 'Seed'. No one I know ever spelled out the acronym. 'See-ad' was as close as it got. 'Radar-hunting precision munitions' are not smart bombs, although smart bombs may be used to attack radars. As far as I know all specific anti-radar weapons, such as HARM and the old ALARM and Shrike, are missiles, not bombs. Remember that the key to ARMs is to release them outside the engagement zone of the threat system; that's hard with a bomb. When mentioning radar-based defences, it's a shame you show a manually-aimed ZSU-23/2. The SA-2 warhead was not 'F-R-A-G'. The 'Frag' is a contraction of 'fragmentation', not an acronym. The damage mechanism, as far as I remember, was expanding rod with a lethal radius of 100+ metres. But it would not detonate 'a blast of shrapnel forward of the aircraft'; that would be what we call a miss. The fragments actually follow an expanding conical path ahead of and around the missile, fusing timed so that this cone will intersect the target. On the use of HARM, making the enemy shut down to avoid destruction is suppression, but only temporary. If possible DEAD is always better. In Gulf War 1 the Iraqis certainly did not have the latest Soviet equipment. We were very fortunate that we were up against an IADS largely comprised of relics from 20 or 30 years earlier, with only the odd Roland thrown in. SA-10, for instance, could have made a massive difference due to its ability to put missiles in the air without exhibiting tracking modes, and HOJ terminal guidance that would have made the then conventional ECM ineffective. And that leads on to my main point: SEAD does not make enemy air defences useless'. Against a peer or near-peer adversary it can give local/temporary air superiority and, as with other military domains, there is a constant swing between weapons, tactics and countermeasures. Modern SAMs can be highly mobile and the unexpected 'SAM trap' is still a major hazard. Please stop saying 'S-E-A-D!
@john_in_phoenix
@john_in_phoenix 22 күн бұрын
Rumor has it that JDAMs are being sent to Ukraine with seek on jam guidance. May just be a rumor. I was under the impression that expanding ring warheads were implemented in the past 30 years.
@Tinderchaff
@Tinderchaff 14 күн бұрын
Like you I am rather disappointed with the videos coming out of Duxford. They contain several errors; some visual, some verbal. Unfortunately this isn't the first I have seen and has put me off them. Considering their use of language, which many people have picked up on, it could have gotten them a warning from YT at the very least as they don't like swearing. Talking of bad language, the motto of the earliest 'Wild Weasels' was shortened to YGBSM or 'You Gotta Be Sh*ttin' Me!'. Apparently one of the first phrases they said when they heard about the mission for the very first time. Back then they did not have missiles and solely used dumb bombs and rocket pods to engage the radar sites.
@natheriver8910
@natheriver8910 6 күн бұрын
Very interesting 👏 👏 👏
@rolandvoss3600
@rolandvoss3600 20 күн бұрын
Very educational 👍 Thank you!
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 8 күн бұрын
Phantoms are fine looking planes.
@r2crowseye
@r2crowseye 22 күн бұрын
6:08 i love that the Thud is mentioned. 😍
@LmgWarThunder
@LmgWarThunder 22 күн бұрын
Never even thought about the potential for anti-radar missiles to exist let alone be employed
@dedwoodgaming6119
@dedwoodgaming6119 23 күн бұрын
I love your museum
@PP266
@PP266 22 күн бұрын
One of the greatest history channels there is. No quacks working for unknown universities in China and selling Wikipedia facts.
@geordiedog1749
@geordiedog1749 8 күн бұрын
“Buff” - I literally, not figuratively, lol’d at that.
@Bobby-fj8mk
@Bobby-fj8mk 14 күн бұрын
The doco misses an obvious question - why weren't the Wild Weasel aircraft shot down by the SAM sites? It seems a bit dangerous to be flying around a SAM site in a war.
@orionred2489
@orionred2489 22 күн бұрын
i remember an interview with a weasel pilot, and they said when they turned on the ecm, the plane would crackle and your hair would stand up.
@bilalabdi9148
@bilalabdi9148 11 күн бұрын
That thumbnail was somalia before Civil War, what a great nation 😊
@ajcrisologo2995
@ajcrisologo2995 22 күн бұрын
Are forgetting something like the f100 and f105 used the first anti radiation missle called the AGM-45 Shrike and the AGM-78 Standard ARM
@houm7571
@houm7571 12 күн бұрын
Yeah, the good old days. A quarter of a century ago, I could bench press 200 pounds.
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe
@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe 2 күн бұрын
Some conflict in the Middle East 67, 73 and 82 at least.
@OZOZOZ968
@OZOZOZ968 23 күн бұрын
Love these videos from the IMW!
@dean42bean
@dean42bean 22 күн бұрын
imperial mar wuseum
@N_Wheeler
@N_Wheeler 22 күн бұрын
1:50 that B-52 is carrying the X-15 (?)
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 21 күн бұрын
I thought that too.
@ivanstepanovic1327
@ivanstepanovic1327 20 күн бұрын
Rendering it useless... That's an overstatement... Once the US tactics to counter air defense were known, counter tactics were developed. And while the air defense wasn't able to function with impunity, it pretty much remained functional... For example, NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, after the Iraq war... Yugo forces knew how long the radar was to be turned on, made false radar positions and radiation... So HARM missiles in most cases went for decoys. And in the middle of all that SEAD, a semi-mobile SAM system S-125 (SA-3) managed to shoot down an F-117. Also, several other planes were either downed or damaged and Yugoslav air defense remained functional through the entire war...
@ianbell5611
@ianbell5611 18 күн бұрын
God Damn....
@shlomomark2275
@shlomomark2275 22 күн бұрын
You failed to mention 2 other conflicts that were essential for the creation of an efficient anti - anti aircraft missiles: The 1973 Yom Kippur war and the 1982 First Lebanese war. Operation Mole Cricket 19 on June 9th 1982 was the model used later in 1991 to destroy the Iraqi SEED
@tomfu9909
@tomfu9909 8 күн бұрын
Well, Iraq was not eqiupped with latest Soviet technology. Ukraine in 2022 is closer to what USSR had in late 1980s and as we see, they were able to deny air sapce to much advanced Russian Air Force
@russchadwell
@russchadwell 21 күн бұрын
Call sign? ... Bob.
@occamraiser
@occamraiser 17 күн бұрын
Interesting insight into the impact the Gulf War had on the end of the Soviet Union. Let us hope that the failure of the 'second best army in the world' to become the 'best army in Ukraine' will have similar consequences.
@garylane9775
@garylane9775 7 күн бұрын
Ukraine's current offensive against Russian air defense (SEAD) will help achieve a renewed Ukrainian offensive using advanced aerial weapons provided by the West.
@chadimirputin2282
@chadimirputin2282 22 күн бұрын
The hypersonic shovel has created a problem for modern day AA defence platforms and systems which can't be countered currently.
@biaduy8760
@biaduy8760 15 күн бұрын
I come from Vietnam And the Americans failed in my coutny skies, the US Air Force absolutely failed to defeat Vietnam
@asavelakuse6865
@asavelakuse6865 13 күн бұрын
Deny the sky
@juusotee4340
@juusotee4340 23 күн бұрын
Hi
@michaelhowell2326
@michaelhowell2326 23 күн бұрын
I can't remember if it was Operation Linebacker or Rolling Thunder, but bc of the massive bombing runs, the North was days away from surrender, we just didn't know it.
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 21 күн бұрын
I doubt that, do you have a reference?
@michaelhowell2326
@michaelhowell2326 21 күн бұрын
@@owensmith7530 I honestly don't. I can't support it with references or any of the such. But it the one that was constant bombardment for weeks and weeks around the clock with B-52s along the Hochi Minh trail. They were super close but we let up too soon and abandoned the concept bc we didn't think it was having the effect we were looking for.
@bitferret-rx5rn
@bitferret-rx5rn 11 күн бұрын
he said the Gulf war played a role in the fall of soviet union... its a palpable lie
@hantykje3005
@hantykje3005 23 күн бұрын
@Imperial War Museum: Im surprised the parallell between ww2 era bomber streams and and 21st century missile and drone swarms are not mentioned. The idea is the same send enough weapon systems through an area and rend any fighter and gun/missile defences insufficient to deal with the attack.
@pyeitme508
@pyeitme508 23 күн бұрын
BRUH!
@onenote6619
@onenote6619 22 күн бұрын
You are saying that SEAD makes Air Defence useless? You might want to mention that to all the pilots shot down in the Gulf War.
@nightjarflying
@nightjarflying 22 күн бұрын
He didn't say that though
@prfwrx2497
@prfwrx2497 22 күн бұрын
SEAD won't make for zero aircrew casualties. SEAD does enable for air supremacy. Look what happened to Saddam's vaunted army courtesy of coalition air power, brought to you by SEAD. Air defense is considered useless if it can't achieve air denial.
@BatMan-oe2gh
@BatMan-oe2gh 22 күн бұрын
You should do some research before commenting. During the 1991 Gulf War, the coalition forces lost a total of 75 aircraft. Of these, 52 were fixed-wing aircraft, and 23 were helicopters. Interestingly, only 42 of these losses were due to Iraqi action, while the remaining 33 were lost due to accidents. Iraqi anti-aircraft defences, including man-portable air-defense systems, were surprisingly ineffective against enemy aircraft, contributing to the relatively low number of losses. An estimated 407 Iraqi aircraft were either destroyed or flown to Iran and permanently impounded there.
@lachlanchester8142
@lachlanchester8142 21 күн бұрын
He literally said the planes that had sead capabilities only had 1 shot down
@onenote6619
@onenote6619 18 күн бұрын
@@lachlanchester8142 He did. But he also said that Mirage and Tornado carried out SEAD missions. Which is untrue. JP233 (on the Tornado) and Durandal (on the Mirage) are runway denial munitions, not SEAD.
@Shinzon23
@Shinzon23 22 күн бұрын
Anyone kind of feel a bit weird that he actually called it by what the air crew called it and didn't censor the word at all?
@nightjarflying
@nightjarflying 22 күн бұрын
No
@TCK71
@TCK71 20 күн бұрын
Not in the slightest snowflake.
@Essah15
@Essah15 17 күн бұрын
Radar hunting precision munitions are Anti-Radiation missiles, not Smart bombs, and its a frag warhead, (from fragmentation) not EF AR AY GEE.
@tysonator5433
@tysonator5433 22 күн бұрын
Ukraine needs this tech, and capability to suppress Anti Aircraft systems. In order to gain air superiority over the Russians.
@douglasjohnson4382
@douglasjohnson4382 20 күн бұрын
Swearing makes him feel like an adult.
@Kirk1914
@Kirk1914 22 күн бұрын
OMG. Did I hear the IWM say that SEAD contributed to the fall of the Soviet Union. How incredibly shallow.
@bikenavbm1229
@bikenavbm1229 22 күн бұрын
agreed bit silly that bit
@lachlanchester8142
@lachlanchester8142 21 күн бұрын
No you didn’t, he said it was a part of the loss of soviet military power, which was a part of the fall of the ussr, try listening a bit harder next time
@redjacc7581
@redjacc7581 23 күн бұрын
The war in Ukraine has shown that attack helicopters and CAS (close air support) are redundant due the lethality of AA systems.
@Chilly_Billy
@Chilly_Billy 23 күн бұрын
Wrong. You're dealing with two countries using very similar if not identical equipment. All capabilities are know to both sides. Neither has a significant advantage in technology or capability over the other. Replace either side with Western tech or capability and it's game over. Case in point, Israel's total domination over Russian anti-air defenses in Syria.
@Wild_Danimal
@Wild_Danimal 23 күн бұрын
I also have ridged opinion
@flybeep1661
@flybeep1661 23 күн бұрын
This is wrong.
@Ubique2927
@Ubique2927 22 күн бұрын
Wrong.. The useless Russian equipment, strategy and tactics are the problem.
@user-xj6rr3yv8q
@user-xj6rr3yv8q 15 күн бұрын
So now I am going to hear the F word from the IWM? Really? So I will not have children listen to your channel.
@margin606
@margin606 23 күн бұрын
Wash your mouth out with soap and water
@bjorntorlarsson
@bjorntorlarsson 23 күн бұрын
WARNING! Content unrelated to the headline. This is a spam video.
@jimmers123
@jimmers123 22 күн бұрын
Try watching.
@Ubique2927
@Ubique2927 22 күн бұрын
Yours is a spam comment.
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