Is it?😂

Too much ego, too much talking, not enough common sense. Unprofessional behaviour all round.

Exactly!

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Couldn’t agree more

No, it still wasn't "understandable". It was unprofessional regardless of circumstances.

Agreed

At the airport, need permission to land

@@Flight_Follower very true at a controlled airport. I wasn’t very clear with my comment

Well.. a pilot expects that an atc is well oriented and briefed about the latest updates on procedures and demarcations..

He's absolutely right about this, but he should be angry at his superiors (and the general chaos within the FAA) rather than taking it out on the pilot.

@@cdhagen You got it right. It was highly inappropriate in my view to use derogatory language and use up space on the frequency to have an argument with a pilot (who is landing and under a high workload by the way) when the problem was the briefings he didn't get. ATC are providing services to the pilots and it's not a pilots job to fix ATC's internal chaos remotely from his cockpit while landing a helicopter.

The controller makes it sound like it's somehow the pilot's fault that he's uninformed about the new situation. His attitude made no sense at all. A little humility goes a long way.

I understand why pilot was wrong.. but shouldn’t the be briefed about the latest procedure after coming from a vacation? Thats like his job

@@Flight_Follower He explained that no one briefed him on it. If he wasn't briefed on it, that's not on him, he's only clearing what he can safely clear. That's on the controller's supervisor and co-workers for not letting him know. The pilot doesn't need to argue about it because he was allowed to land anyway. And again, as pilots, we understand that things change, even if the controller knew of the change, based on multiple factors like how many are in the traffic pattern. If the controller cleared him to land somewhere else and then taxi, just do it. No need to bitch about it like a child.

⁠@@xplayman I think, it clearly escalated when ATC said "I am very proud of you..." which is quite a derogatory thing to say. He escalated it even further later on with the childish comment about not letting him land for the rest of the day. So I don't know if we even heard the same ATC conversation. Most commenters here seem to be in agreement with what I am writing and I don't think there is any excuse for those kinds of comments. Even under pressure; those comments have no space in aviation. During the second approach, the pilot did a great job in deescalating the situation when the controller was getting riled up again. And the controller clearly thought that he was a victim of inappropriate language when it was clearly himself who used derogatory language (in psychology, that kind of abuse is called gaslighting). I think it is quite reasonable when there are question marks that a pilot asks why G2 is not known to ATC. I actually regard operating an aircraft without questioning anything ATC says to be quite dangerous. Your mantra of shut up, do as you are told and ask questions later to be a perfect recipe for disaster. If there is a discrepancy, you need to point it out. Even if it is wrong, better be safe than sorry. Not pointing something out while feeling insecure about something has led to many accidents in the past. You have to remember that a pilot is ultimately responsible for the safety of his vehicle and that ATC is providing a service. ATC is serving the pilot, not the other way around. A pilot can't remotely fix internal organisational blunders within ATC from his cockpit while landing. A deescalating ATC could have simply said that he wasn't briefed on this and that he will check with his supervisor to get this fixed but that he will do the best he can with the information he has at that moment. If he apologized for the inconvenience, that would have been a plus, but not required in my eyes. What the controller did here was none of that. He took it out on the pilot, used derogatory language and was highly unprofessional. In no way did he fullfill his job here to keep ops safe. Luckily, I live in a country with highly skilled ATC who are accomodating, highly professional and nice to work with. If ATC behaved in such an appalling manner, it would have been in the newspaper. But it seems that in some countries, narcissistic behaviour has been completely normalised and is even regarded by some as professional and defendable which is an accident waiting to happen. Besides being completely appalling morally, there has to be a time when the holes in the Swiss cheese will align and lead to an accident. It CANNOT go on like this.

I agree

Most don’t know that about Barry’s racism. I’m a pilot based on an airport with a flight school and ATC training college. Years ago the govt convince colleges to start classes for ATC because of the upcoming retirements of ATC types. Those students spent tens of thousands of dollars to learn the skill only to have Obama pull in blacks off the streets for training. The black ATC union was caught giving them answers to tests ( no racism there ,wink wink,). Many failed as expected as do the black pilot students on our field who get free tuition. Diversity isn’t something you can force into the air and come out without tragedy. Whenever I fly I hope those I’m sharing the sky with are at least as competent as I am. BTW, we have numerous students from around the world ( especially China) learning out of Grand Forks, ND. If tou think they are required to have a command of the English language you would be sadly mistaken. I have refused to fly in Duluth airspace when they are there

Roget that amigo.@@arthurbrumagem3844 Added "bonus" ? (sarcasm) Biden followed Obama's legacy of racism, and actually fought, and lost, in a SCOTUS case to maintain racism/Affirmative Action against Asians in college admissions.

Hmmm...I just replied to you with another story, but don't see it...did the Leftist KZfaq algorithm kill it for wrongspeak?@@arthurbrumagem3844

@@arthurbrumagem3844 I'm curious, what evidence do you have that President Obama was "pulling in blacks off the streets" for ATC and pilot training? Also the black ATC union giving answers to tests... I'm just curious what tests? Because as a pilot, you know that all FAA written tests, the answers are public knowledge. Companies like GLEIM and ASA make a business off of test prep to prepare people with the exact answers to the written test. So I'm just curious with your accusations.

@@erauprcwa talking to many people in the industry and reading reports. And it was common knowledge what Obama did and why he did it