the art of religious interpretation (midnight mass vs god's not dead)

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I calmly and without excess convince you that the bother Pureflix Propaganda Nightmare God's Not Dead and Mike Flanagan's 2021 Netflix horror series Midnight Mass are equally valuable interpretations of the Christian Redemption Cycle. Support from Nietzsche, the Brother's Karamazov, and my cat. Enjoy...
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#midnightmass #godsnotdead #vampires #nietzsche
Chapters:
00:00 We Don't have Time for an Intro
08:53 Nietzsche (bless you)
18:07 The Christian Redemption Cycle
31:36 God Death: Causes, Symptoms, Treatment
42:35 WhhYyyYyYyyyYyYYY (should I die?)
1:08:09 What Do You Want, Paul?
1:24:29 The Morality of Eating People: Part I
1:44:50 The Morality of Eating People Part II
2:07:33 It's Supposed to Be Over
2:42:33 who do you say I am?

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@mschmalfeldt
@mschmalfeldt Жыл бұрын
The fact that it's called PureFlix and not CruciFlix is a big missed opportunity
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
HAHAHA honestly omg
@Chatrbuug
@Chatrbuug 11 ай бұрын
With stories like God's Not Dead; creativity isn't their strong suit
@cheezyfilmsproductions1842
@cheezyfilmsproductions1842 8 ай бұрын
I honestly think it might be because they would think it's blasphemous. My mom is like that.
@imagomonkei
@imagomonkei 7 ай бұрын
​@@cheezyfilmsproductions1842also they're evangelical, and crucifixes are a Catholic thing.
@ripwednesdayadams
@ripwednesdayadams 6 ай бұрын
reminds me of the old punk band crucifucks
@notmyname213
@notmyname213 Жыл бұрын
Despite having vampires in it, Midnight Mass is extremely easy to suspend my disbelief. Because having grown up Catholic, it is SO BELIEVABLE that a congregation would encounter a vampire (which is an ostensibly evil entity) and truly believe it's an angel.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 8 ай бұрын
I love that they dress him up in a little dress like the pope! Like, they had to measure that out and tailor the dress to fit him! It's insane!
@JonCrs10
@JonCrs10 8 ай бұрын
I thought it was idiotic because the Bishop didnt get involved and scientifically study the vampirism. Catholicism isn't like a Nebraska non-denominational local church
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 8 ай бұрын
@@JonCrs10 My understanding was that the island's isolation and the small size of the congregation meant that they could get away with a lot. And the people in charge of the church itself were deliberately keeping things from the mainland.
@JonCrs10
@JonCrs10 8 ай бұрын
@carlycrays2831 do you know how priests are placed in parishes? The local Bishop absolutely would be aware of this before the priest showed up as much as the 4 Bishops of Kansas knew about "Pope Michael" despite his extreme fringe status. Its genuinely impossible to keep (for lack of a better term to describe a vampire cult) heresy under wraps. Especially today in such an interconnected world. Like, consider the whole pedarast priest scandal thing. Local bishops were quite aware of the pederasty going on because they're quite aware of ANY priest who violates the celibacy vow. You don't think they'd learn about this guy's vampire wine? Maybe screwing up the response to it like the pederasty, but they wouldn't be completely ignorant of it. Plus the Vatican has its own X-Files unit, which makes the secret vampire cult even more unbelievable, they'd be scientifically studying the angel blood as much as they study the Shroud of Turin or any Marian apparition
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 8 ай бұрын
@@JonCrs10 Who is gonna tell them? The original guy can email or text them and tell them he's OK. Beth needs the community isolated so she can keep stealing from the church. Everyone else there is old or so busy that they don't go to church.
@SgtKaneGunlock
@SgtKaneGunlock Жыл бұрын
its weird that Midnight Mass has more respect for Religion as a concept while criticizing it than gods not dead does in its whole trilogy
@SilortheBlade
@SilortheBlade 11 ай бұрын
In a rational view sure, but when you realize GND is just propaganda then it's not weird at all.
@snuggldungeon
@snuggldungeon 6 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Midnight Mass seems like a very honest assessment of religion from the capital g Gnostic perspective, and it seems like GND stumbled into being the problems Midnight Mass critically deconstructs.
@sailorg00n
@sailorg00n Жыл бұрын
"Never trust a man who likes Ayn Rand" is the best dating advice before "Never trust a man who identifies with Rick Sanchez/BoJack Horseman/The Joker." the biggest and reddest of flags all.
@calebkisby4069
@calebkisby4069 Жыл бұрын
BoJack is a bit unfair; if you take out the substance abuse and narcissism, he's otherwise written to be very relatable for people who have come in and out of depression. Edit: Oh god I forgot about Penny
@sailorg00n
@sailorg00n Жыл бұрын
@@calebkisby4069 See, I feel like generally good advice is to, like... Avoid people with substance abuse problems and narcissistic qualities. Especially when you're looking for a partner. There's a reason BoJack's relationships never worked out. I can relate to a lot of BoJack's feelings towards himself, but I'm not going to openly compare myself to him as if it's a good thing lol. And yeah... Penny. Oof. Although Sarah Lynn's death IMO was the nail in the coffin for me.
@dinosaysrawr
@dinosaysrawr Жыл бұрын
See also: Rorschach and Tyler Durden.
@toasterbunnie295
@toasterbunnie295 9 ай бұрын
or patrick bateman unironically. liking him ironically is a green flag tho
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 8 ай бұрын
​@@calebkisby4069I'm a woman who identified as Bojack and let me assure you, it about ruined my life. I had to stop watching that show because it fucked with me so bad
@faehammy571
@faehammy571 Жыл бұрын
This feels like a college lecture meets older sister car discussion. I love it.
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
I went to college so you don’t have to *winks and does the snap finger point things *
@natalieplambeck7168
@natalieplambeck7168 Жыл бұрын
older sister car discussion best thing ever
@Iamthatis137
@Iamthatis137 Жыл бұрын
Love that description! Def the vibes! ❤️🖤❤️
@ragevsraid7703
@ragevsraid7703 Жыл бұрын
perfect description
@KrazyEngima
@KrazyEngima Жыл бұрын
She reminds me of heavily of my English IV teacher from highschool tbh lol
@aberdeen1403
@aberdeen1403 Жыл бұрын
"michael flanagan is nailing catholicism to the cross to see if it will rise again" that was SUCH a good line, i loved this video!
@termythewormy
@termythewormy Жыл бұрын
Love the idea of a philosophy teacher that doesn't want to have debates. Meanwhile, my favorite philosophy professor asked us if hotdogs were sandwiches or not and just walked away to let us argue that one for an hour.
@dc98424
@dc98424 Жыл бұрын
It’s a taco
@termythewormy
@termythewormy Жыл бұрын
@@dc98424 that was my contribution to the debate but no one liked that answer 🤷‍♀️
@spoopybat7880
@spoopybat7880 Жыл бұрын
If a hoagie (aka submarine sandwich) is a sandwich than a hotdog is a sandwich
@termythewormy
@termythewormy Жыл бұрын
@@spoopybat7880 an interesting proposition. Is this based on the supposition that they use the same type of bread? Because I would like to put forward that actually most hoagies use a firmer type of bread than a submarine, though they aren't fully split similar to a hotdog. Subs do use a similar type of bread to a hotdog, though they tend to be fully split. The bread issue is interesting, but if we're considering starch as the deciding factor, I would argue that the taco idea originally put forward by David is much closer to an accurate picture. There is a 90 degree difference between how a hoagie/sub is presented and a hotdog, whereas tacos and hotdogs are presented the same for consumption. I promise you I put this argument all in good fun. The hotdog/sandwich debate is based on the fact that it's really hard to create a group definition which includes everything you want it to while excluding everything else. Ex. Behold a man
@sabinasabino141
@sabinasabino141 Жыл бұрын
Hotdogs are Spirit, and as Spirit, the universal in the particular, reach toward the full knowledge of itself in-itself through the mediation of Being-for-itself as Spirit mediates its own understanding. (Hegel is fun.)
@blinkfilms1
@blinkfilms1 Жыл бұрын
Left behind quite literally traumatized me as a young Christian girl with undiagnosed anxiety and ADHD. Instead of normal object permanence, I was convinced I would never see my family again whenever the house got too quiet because the Lord had deemed me unworthy. It fucked me up for weeks
@Jogjosmowwdkfs
@Jogjosmowwdkfs Жыл бұрын
SAME! I was convinced that if I couldn’t hear them, if I just walked around the corner I’d see the clothes they were wearing in a pile on the floor
@SoulDevoured
@SoulDevoured Жыл бұрын
Yep fucked me up pretty bad too. But tbf lots of the bible fucked me up.
@JimJamTheAdmin
@JimJamTheAdmin Жыл бұрын
I still have nightmares about the rapture. I always knew my bi little ADHD ass would never make it to Heaven and that fear was the last thing I had to shake off during my deconstruction. Fear digs in and refuses to leave.
@Virjunior01
@Virjunior01 Жыл бұрын
How do you feel about it now?
@happytofu5
@happytofu5 Жыл бұрын
I am so glad I did not have to grow up with the concept of rapture here in a german church. The whole concept sounds so bonkers and terrifying. It was bad enough to believe all of my school friends would go to hell despite being nice people.
@flanaganfilm
@flanaganfilm Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this, I'm obviously biased but I have to say I found it absolutely fascinating.
@lizabee484
@lizabee484 Жыл бұрын
Fuck yeah. The fact that you found this video essay made by a pretty small creator (no offense meant to you Biz, you’re doing a fantastic job and your content is really quite wonderful) that has less than 1,000 likes and took the time to watch and comment on it kinda… gives me hope for humanity? In a way I have difficulty articulating. Edit: I figured out how to articulate it!!! Seeing bigger creators supporting smaller creators, especially being willing to engage in/with smaller creators’ works that build off of or relate to the larger creator’s own art, is just really f>cking cool. Open dialogue and genuine respect amongst different artists online isn’t something I see often enough, (for my liking anyway), and so when I do see it, it’s a lovely reminder that humans are cool sometimes, which is a feeling I think we all could use more of at the moment. Anyway- I’m stoked to see you in this comment section, dude. You make some fabulous work. And I hope you have an excellent day.
@ellipszilonq
@ellipszilonq Жыл бұрын
Holy shit
@Nodiee1
@Nodiee1 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow I definitely wouldn't have expected to see Mike Flanagan comment on some smaller KZfaqr's video that I just happened to come across today. I love your work! But... uh. The degloving scene in Gerald's Game. Why Mike??? Just... why???
@vincentbatten4686
@vincentbatten4686 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for what you did. It felt more liberating than I thought it would to be understood for once.
@brat_prince
@brat_prince Жыл бұрын
.........are you really....Him?
@AD-dg3zz
@AD-dg3zz Жыл бұрын
I personally interpreted Reilly's death a bit differently. The vision he saw was just as he described before: a dream. A dream where the woman who was plaguing him with guilt had finally forgiven him because in reality, Reilly had finally forgiven himself. In a way, he sent himself to heaven because he was finally at peace with himself.
@alexandravalerious3274
@alexandravalerious3274 Жыл бұрын
i agree i thought rileys death was him finally forgiving himself and it was a dream the same way erin saw her version of death when she died. almost like the show respecting every individuals beliefs and interpretation of death and afterlife and even god because of the way the show allowed sheriff hassan to express his own faith both in contrast to bev and paul but also complimenting that both religious do believe in a god
@AD-dg3zz
@AD-dg3zz Жыл бұрын
@@alexandravalerious3274 yeah, that's one of the many subtle things that make this show great. Every character died in ways that were consistent with their own beliefs. Since Reiley was a former Christian, it makes sense that his death dream is a bit Christian-like. But to say he literally went to heaven, it really undermines him as an atheist character, even though the show was being respectful about his beliefs (or non-belief) up until that point. It'd be like saying Sheriff Hassan also went to the Christian Heaven, which sounds absurd and kinda disrespectful.
@notmyname213
@notmyname213 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. At no point does this series presuppose that the Christian God, or any god actually exists. The only thing we have evidence of within the text is that an entity that we recognize as a vampire exists. Whether or not Christian God is real in this setting is up to the beliefs (or lack thereof) of the person watching.
@alexandravalerious3274
@alexandravalerious3274 Жыл бұрын
@@notmyname213 yeah in the world of the show i got the feeling that whether or not god/a god exists doesnt matter so much as what the people do with that belief contrasting erin's faith with bev's and u have lisa of course who chooses forgiveness and loses the ability to walk because she does the right thing in helping end the vampire threat
@ShadowProject01
@ShadowProject01 Жыл бұрын
I pretty much came to the same conclusion. That the lady he killed came to collect him because he was truly repentant and upon his confession on that boat was given absolution, before that horrific snap back to reality
@JiixBooks
@JiixBooks Жыл бұрын
As a Muslim the representation of the sherif is still one of my fav Muslim reps in western media especially with him getting the room to debunk stuff in that classroom (Ohhh Also the story of Abraham and his son is different in the Quran)
@keepitprofessional2296
@keepitprofessional2296 Жыл бұрын
Hey! I'm Muslim too, but from what I've known the Abraham story is pretty similar to the Christian story? Except that Ismail/Ismael was actually willing/understanding of why his father had to do it, from what I remember.
@TheFirstLaughingFool
@TheFirstLaughingFool 11 ай бұрын
From what I understand, the Jewish understanding of Abraham and Isaac is that the sacrifice was a test and Abraham failed it. He was supposed to say no, and the fact that he did try was the reason God never spoke to him or he's mentioned in the Bible again.
@MrAwombat
@MrAwombat 11 ай бұрын
​@@TheFirstLaughingFoolfrom a Christian perspective, people generally interpret it as Abraham "passing the test". We also see it as a foreshadowing for Jesus. I'm but sure how Jews see it these days.
@AM13226
@AM13226 11 ай бұрын
​@@MrAwombathard J bro. Not cool.
@MrAwombat
@MrAwombat 11 ай бұрын
@@AM13226 oh, is it lower case? Even if I'm referring to the religion?
@erincorcoran5936
@erincorcoran5936 Жыл бұрын
Midnight Mass was so so cathartic and healing for me as an atheist who was raised lutheran. Especially compared to GND that I fully bought into as a young one lol
@ScottDavid7
@ScottDavid7 Жыл бұрын
THANK you. I don't care how many monologues it has, the way it greatly helped me work through my religious trauma put it into my top 5 shows/short series f all time
@lizabee484
@lizabee484 Жыл бұрын
It was the same way for my dad and I. My dad grew up in the pre-reform Worldwide Church of God, and has been the outspoken atheist of his very religious family since he went off to college. Needless to say, many of those religious family members have had problems with that, and reacted much the same way as the townspeople react to Riley when he first returns to the island, shall we say. I experienced different, but still definitely negative, interactions with those family members on my father’s side, which has also led to some significant religious trauma. Midnight Mass was the catalyst for my father and I to finally be able to talk about that trauma. At first in more general, roundabout ways, but it gradually became more personal, until we were able to openly talk about our individual religious trauma and frustration with the relatives that caused that trauma. It’s led to more intellectual discussions about religion and spirituality too, which is great because it turns out that’s something we both find fascinating. And we also got to talk about vampires! So it’s been a great experience all around. Incredibly cathartic, you are absolutely right.
@erincorcoran5936
@erincorcoran5936 Жыл бұрын
@@lizabee484 I'm so glad you two were able to have that conversation, that's great!
@cyndrift
@cyndrift Жыл бұрын
exactly omg. its just so dense and good and thoughtful and coming off the back of a childhood of christian propaganda something that presents me the religion used to make me feel such fear and guilt for so long, and just asks me what i think instead of telling me, somethjng which presents situations with shades of grey and good and bad and flawed and virtuous people on all sides is just so cathartic and refreshing and engaging to parts of myself that never got a chance to be used when i was younger for fear of being different or a dirty sinner in the eyes of my community. its a gift and im glad it was made
@AllegoricSiren
@AllegoricSiren Жыл бұрын
God, I remember crying at the end of GND1 as my sister and I watched it pirated in our house and we both send that stupid message to people in our contacts. We were both really young though. She’s still religious (but more independent than an actual denomination) and also discovered she’s queer and I’m agnostic and nonbinary but still love debating religion and learning about it and watching media with different takes on it, though sometimes hearing people who genuinely believe in Christianity makes me kinda anxious.
@lynnedumas746
@lynnedumas746 Жыл бұрын
My very Catholic mom LOVED Midnight Mass, I think she could tell it was made by someone who grew up Catholic and has complicated feelings about it(to put it lightly).
@chubbybunny6975
@chubbybunny6975 6 ай бұрын
"to put it lightly" when the character who's the embodiment of hardcore Catholicism (Bev Keane) shows just how much of a coward she actually is and her faith is the weakest, when she runs from a death she helped create and "believed in", only to burn in the sun screaming and crying while everyone else peacefully accepted what was coming lmao. For context I'm not brushing off what you said, I'm merely expanding on the last bit by showing the irony! Ngl watching Bev burn had me cheering XD
@Noura.McCaskill
@Noura.McCaskill 10 ай бұрын
"if I can forgive you, then anyone can" seems kind of twofold even, because not only is Leeza telling Joe Collie she forgives him, she's ASKING HIM TO FORGIVE HIMSELF.
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz 10 ай бұрын
*sobs in catholic*
@ltleflrt
@ltleflrt Жыл бұрын
I found this because Mr Flanagan himself shared the link on Tumblr. I saw the runtime and was like oh I'll just watch it in chunks. Nah I sat through the whole thing in one go. Completely riveted. Good stuff 😊👍
@Winter-Alpha-Omega
@Winter-Alpha-Omega Жыл бұрын
Wait a f*cking minute. The creator of Midnight Mass has a Tumblr account? And he shared this? 1- I've got to watch the whole video and 2- I should open a Tumblr account myself.
@raissa3791
@raissa3791 Жыл бұрын
Hey don't be shy...... share his url pls
@ltleflrt
@ltleflrt Жыл бұрын
@@raissa3791 it's flanaganfilm :)
@kells4315
@kells4315 Жыл бұрын
@@Winter-Alpha-Omega His tumblr is great, and you don't need an account to read it. :) He constantly writes really long responses to great questions about his works!
@grimtheghastly8878
@grimtheghastly8878 Жыл бұрын
The bit about Nietzsche's philosophy being co-oped by Nazis makes me so sad because in life Nietzsche vehemently opposed literally everything the Nazis would eventually support and it was only through his sister who was a die hard Nazi who purposefully appropriated his life's work after his death that Nazis have become associated with his philosophy
@gracecarpinter8623
@gracecarpinter8623 Жыл бұрын
Another thing Biz got wrong about Nietzsche: he didn't write during the Age of Enlightenment. He wasn't even alive during the Age of Enlightenment - that took place during the 18th century, and officially ended in 1815.
@giulicrys8553
@giulicrys8553 Жыл бұрын
he had a whole falling out with his sister because she married a nazi
@InsecureCreator
@InsecureCreator 11 ай бұрын
Nietzsche would just call the Nazis a bunch of weaklings who needed to construct some racial equivalent to his ubermensch concept because they are stuck in the exact stage of human development he wanted to escape.
@lpchambers3681
@lpchambers3681 10 ай бұрын
@@gracecarpinter8623There are two ages of enlightenment, she probably meant the second one
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 6 ай бұрын
He was a brilliant Reactionary. He was the Godfather of Postmodern Conservatism.
@yeayou7764
@yeayou7764 Жыл бұрын
regarding the abraham and isaac story: your original read of it (that it’s about abraham being willing to kill his son for God and being rewarded for it) is shared by many people who like this story and you’re absolutely right that it’s horrifying. i learned a couple of years ago that there’s people that are taught of it specifically in condemnation of abraham, though, as it is pointed out that after this God never speaks to him directly ever again, so the story is taught as a failed test by abraham and not as something he was rewarded for.
@reiy8401
@reiy8401 Жыл бұрын
as someone who grew up surrounded by christians who firmly believed the interpretation that they should be willing to sacrifice their children for god, hearing the latter interpretation hit me right in the gut
@smiklosovic8971
@smiklosovic8971 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that's really interesting! I was raised with the first version and I'd never even HEARD of that second interpretation.
@mysideacc2770
@mysideacc2770 Жыл бұрын
I grew up with the first reading, but the second reading sounds like a sermon I recently overheard while grandma was watching online mass, where the priest talked about the story of the prodigal son, where he teaches it as a lesson on proper communication rather than a lesson on how to be a good child (which is what i grew up with). To paraphrase what he said (and excuse the mistakes, it's been a while since I read the entire story), "The father gave his prodigal son so much because that was his only chance to provide for his son before he left, while his other son stayed with him so he could take care of him whenever. When the prodigal son returned, the father was so relieved that his son was still alive that he wanted to celebrate it. However, the other son was only told 'your prodigal brother has spent it all and returned, and your father wants to welcome him back by killing your prized pig'. The father's lack of communicating his love for his other son made him insecure, so then it was easier for his other son to misinterpret his reasoning later on as well. This is why it's important for parents to clearly communicate with their children and not simply assume that their actions are enough." I gotta say I like the trend of taking old bible stories and changing them to fit modern (better) values instead of just "cancelling" them and pretending they don't exist.
@mermaidpotato
@mermaidpotato Жыл бұрын
I have no idea, really, the overall prevalence of reading #2, but I first heard it from a Jewish person who was presenting it as common among other Jews they knew, and the moral was supposed to be in line with questioning godly or apparently-godly orders. I've never personally heard any Christians take the stance that Abraham failed the test, and it's definitely in conflict with the American evangelical idea of faith I grew up with.
@JamesWVanFleet
@JamesWVanFleet Жыл бұрын
I hadn't heard your second interpretation, that's super-interesting. Another theory I've heard is that it was a sort of etiological effort by Jews of the time to separate themselves from contemporaneous tribes who might've been more inclined to human sacrifice. "Oh, actually we don't do that, and here's our history of why."
@crowquillgal1016
@crowquillgal1016 Жыл бұрын
I feel like a whole essay is needed on how traditional Catholic Patriarchy created so many Bev keane’s. She probably had Biblical knowledge on par with any Seminar graduate, studied theology in three languages, cleaned up bathrooms, grocery shopped and cooked for the Priest, organized charity things, invested all her time, all her sacrifices (celibacy/poverty/no hobbies/no friends cause she’s vile) and … No recognition. No promotions. No respect. No position of authority…. all because she’s not a man According to Riley’s mom, she’s always been awful…. but that sacrifice and contribution and Still no official recognition had to be just …gallons of dangerously aged psychic gasoline. Flanagan s writing never explicitly discusses that in obvious ways, but her motivations and behavior spell it out anyway.
@alicjaz2771
@alicjaz2771 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for this comment! I think she might have been different if she was appreciated and allowed to be a priest. Not that a person like her necessarily should.
@JonCrs10
@JonCrs10 8 ай бұрын
@crowquillgal1016 FYI, thats not going to result in what you think it would
@crowquillgal1016
@crowquillgal1016 8 ай бұрын
@@JonCrs10I’d like you to expand your thoughts here! Growing up in a Catholic community *very* much like Crockett Island’s, I had my own “Bev” in our town… and a bitter, hostile, and physically aggressive woman she was indeed! There are a lot of parallels with her behavior & Bev’s as written and performed- so the experience of others is something I’d enjoy hearing about.
@Zanyotaku
@Zanyotaku 6 ай бұрын
It was incredible work on the part of the director and the actress that within like 8 seconds of her being on screen anyone who’s met a person like Bev instantly knows her (and possibly fears her, I did). Like I saw her and something about the way she was introduced how the actress spoke, stood, all of it was instantly like “oh no it’s her.” Good work to like portray that entire situation so so accurately and terrifyingly. Bev was scarier than the vampires any day cause I’ve met a few Bevs in my life, and I haven’t seen nosfaratu yet. Even right down to one of the “Bevs” I knew hating a neighbor’s dog like crazy. The whole situation.
@chelscara
@chelscara 6 ай бұрын
Knew a woman who grew up very dedicated to the Mormon church. And in high school she was reminded how useless and unimportant she was as a woman and that she could never ‘lead’ anything, she just needed to get married and have kids. By the time I knew her she was a staunch anti-Mormon atheist. They do it to themselves (the religions, that is) 🤷🏻🤷🏻🤷🏻
@beawatson5224
@beawatson5224 9 ай бұрын
one of my favourite lines in midnight mass is when riley's dad finds his wife and talks about how he thought that he wouldn't be able to help himself eating others but turns out he can stop himself and his wife asks if he's hungry, to which he replies that he's starving. i think it's just a really great moment of "it's wrong to eat people" vs "god has asked me to eat people" and the person in the middle who doesnt understand any of it. I'm writing this at midnight so my words might be all jumbled and i might not be getting this point across properly also i havent finished the video but just wanted to share this smol thought
@emc3000
@emc3000 Жыл бұрын
"The our father is the Party in the USA of Catholic prayer" had me almost doing a spit-take.
@ruisenor8993
@ruisenor8993 6 ай бұрын
"Just a priest standing in front of an alcoholic, asking him to become a vampire" fucking KILLED me LMAO
@jackfrenchpresents
@jackfrenchpresents 6 ай бұрын
I've seen a lot of breakdowns of Midnight Mass but none of them ever looked at it from the viewpoint of "there's a bug flying around", and came to the conclusion that "we're just gonna be friends with it", which is why this is the best one
@JohnGenericName
@JohnGenericName Жыл бұрын
I felt like Midnight Mass got way too wordy in some of the monologues but I love the idea of religious people seeing the benefits of something like vampirism to be a blessing from God. Becoming superhuman through the lens if religion very well could be considered a miracle, especially when you can feed on someone and bring them back from the dead. Nevermind the fact that you can't go out in the sun and you have to drink blood, those are just "tests" of your worthiness. It's a really unique way to explain why someone would want to become a vampire. Edit: Also thank you for pronouncing Ivan with the right syllable stressed.
@andreahardin7521
@andreahardin7521 7 ай бұрын
I love the way Midnight Mass presents vampirism too!!❤️
@jaredbashaw3828
@jaredbashaw3828 Жыл бұрын
I am a preacher at a church in Southern America. Good Lord. I cannot believe how good this video is. I cried while watching it, and now that it is over I am going to immediately start it over and watch the whole thing again to soak it all in. The level of understanding of Christianity you’ve shown here, as well as all of the literature references were extremely impressive. I just started reading Crime and Punishment and I know what the next book I will read is going to be. I’m just so impressed. You understand it better than a lot of people in my church, and I am so glad I got to watch this. Thank you for putting this much work into this, thank you for posting it to the internet. Amazing video. Hope you are doing well.
@PhantasmalBlast
@PhantasmalBlast Жыл бұрын
Holy shit that “What do you want Paul?” Clip came out of nowhere and killed me
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
good help is all when I finally figure out how to make a video essay on The Guy Who Didn’t Like Musicals
@PhantasmalBlast
@PhantasmalBlast Жыл бұрын
@@upinurbiz Well I have subscribed in anticipation of it!
@rebekahjohnson5940
@rebekahjohnson5940 Жыл бұрын
@@upinurbizsubbing in hopes I see it someday ❤
@JuggerNATE93
@JuggerNATE93 Жыл бұрын
Born and raised in a Catholic household, and I giggled pretty hard at "Content Warning: This video contains discussions of Catholicism" i've just never seen that in a content warning before 😂
@mysideacc2770
@mysideacc2770 Жыл бұрын
every time i hear westerners talk about christianity it always feels so surreal, yall are way stricter and serious-er than any church i've ever been a part of in the philippines. like the communion thing, philippine mass is pretty chill and every part is technically optional (tho grandma might give you the stink eye), and i haven't taken communion since i think 5 years now solely because our local church is a huge minor basilica and i do not want to have to queue all the way to the front and then walk back to my seat. same with the whatsitcalled, confirmation? (not sure of the english term) the only 'requirement' i've ever encountered for it is "you gotta let the teachers know you're christian and will be joining so you don't get accidentally left behind and miss it (like a field trip)".
@wednes3day
@wednes3day Жыл бұрын
NGL that description also sounds closer to what I've known things to be like in central/western Europe .... US christianity sounds scary ^^' (And also kinda scary/uncanny in the sense that it's using the same terms to refer to groups of people but describing completely different groups from what I've grown up with those words meaning ... like US catholics and protestants sound so foreign enough to register as almost distinct denominations/sects(? idk proper words) of the EU versions)
@sherlocksmuuug6692
@sherlocksmuuug6692 Жыл бұрын
@@wednes3day Agreed. To any normal person from Western/Central Europe, be they Christian or not, religious people in the US look batshit insane. They are basically cartoonishly evil tribals chomping at the bit to sacrifice "infidels" on the golden altars that they bought for their decrepit goat-eyed priest because he told them "Je'ebuus" wants them to give him money and children. Even ignoring the literal cult tactics, the constant calls for violence against "others" and the fact that most American evangelical groups literally want to destroy the world (this is not a joke), America's most religious states also have actual child marriages as a legal practice. American fundies believe it is the right of parents to basically sell their children to an adult to be abused for life, with some states having no restrictions on the age of *a literal child* being married, as long as the parents approve. And they do this by the tens of thousands. It's like a progressive muslim looking at a bunch of Wahabists. Only difference is that the American fundies are still barely being kept in check by the federal government and so haven't been able to go all out yet. Emphasis on yet.
@wednes3day
@wednes3day Жыл бұрын
@@sherlocksmuuug6692 that sounds a tad more extreme than what I've seen of mainstream us (Christian) groups (maybe also me giving the benefit of the doubt when filling in blanks) but .... thinking to some of the stories of the more zealous folks uhhhh that doesn't sound unrealistic for some of it to read like that 😅 (Also feels like it might overlap some with non-religious folks in terms of us vs them group tribalism? Idk if I'm using tribal in the same way you are though)
@kailee7489
@kailee7489 Жыл бұрын
Same thing happens in Spain. For some reason US Christians are kinda weird
@danofthehour4822
@danofthehour4822 Жыл бұрын
I have to assume a lot of it is catholicism not being the accepted mainstream cultural religion in the United States (it's protestantism). I'm not Christian, but I'm from a very catholic Caribbean country where Christian culture is like how you're describing, but for example, my religious upbringing was much more similar to the American perspective she's describing in the essay
@ryanb5127
@ryanb5127 Жыл бұрын
I saw the first gods not dead in theaters with my youth group and afterwards I brought up that it didn’t really see non believers as people, only monstrous obstacles. Everyone else just sort of shrugged then moved on with other discussion, now I’m a deadling
@koolgool
@koolgool Жыл бұрын
Your take on Riley's death was a bit different from mine. I kind of saw him seeing the woman he killed forgiving him as exactly the kind of death he predicted he might have: That was his final dream to end all dreams.
@mxpants4884
@mxpants4884 Жыл бұрын
Same! Now that I heard the more religious take on it I can see the deliberate ambiguity. I think my default interpretation might be filtered through my background as someone raised by atheist/agnostic parents.
@elena_1776
@elena_1776 Жыл бұрын
@@mxpants4884 That's such an interesting point! I was also raised agnostic and had the same interpretation of his death scene, and I didn't think about the fact that someone coming from a religious background would interpret it differently
@postrachsmietnikow
@postrachsmietnikow Жыл бұрын
​@@elena_1776 same and same! And honestly given that the creator comes from a religious background I think it was indeed ment to be ambiguous like that.
@brendondonoho270
@brendondonoho270 Жыл бұрын
The idea of "unsaved" people existing as prizes to evangelicals is a really sharp point!
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 8 ай бұрын
Unless we just don't go with the program, then we're a problem
@KirstenMarie_MS3
@KirstenMarie_MS3 Жыл бұрын
Watching the GND movies from the perspective of a dark comedy makes them infinitely more entertaining.
@raquelnunes9793
@raquelnunes9793 Жыл бұрын
Michael Flannagan is one of my favs creators. Bly manor broke my heart, hill house was inspiring, midnight mass was… amazing good lord. The visuals ❤
@shinyary2
@shinyary2 Жыл бұрын
Imo he's the best filmmaker working today. His characters are so lifelike, and his themes are so rich and deep. Love every one of his shows.
@Artifying
@Artifying Жыл бұрын
Bly absolutely destroyed me and I loved every second of it. I hate that people think it’s a perpetuation of the “bury your gays” trope because I actually think it was a beautiful, heartbreaking, and extremely clever subversion of it.
@shinyary2
@shinyary2 Жыл бұрын
@@Artifying Hard agree. Avoiding "bury your gays" doesn't mean "gay people can never die." It just means don't kill off your gay character so that you don't have to have the supposed controversy of gay stuff happening on screen, or because your story has to have some moral punishment for being gay. Bly Manor avoids both of these traps, and some people's preference for less dark queer stories shouldn't turn to accusations of "it's problematic" for what's really a very solid gay romance.
@risaetta2109
@risaetta2109 Жыл бұрын
love the creation and use of the term deadling
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
hahaha thank you (or rather thank the fact that “person for whom god is dead” was taking too long to type)
@iheartblock3792
@iheartblock3792 Жыл бұрын
This video convinced me to watch midnight mass lol. but goddamn, the level of dedication and research put into this is *immaculate*
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
yes anytime I can convince sometime to watch that masterpiece of a show I think I’ve done my job (also thank you lol)
@jaz121
@jaz121 Жыл бұрын
i wasnt raised religious at all, so i couldnt really relate to midnight mass, of course that doesnt mean i didnt enjoy it, hell its one of my favorite shows BECAUSE the concept is so alien to me. but the best thing was watching it with my catholic stepmom. shes very chill about religion, doesnt try to convert anyone or make them abide by the dogma, she doesnt follow much of it anyways. her perspective really helped me see the nuances that i couldnt really understabd on my own. we talked about our feelings about religion and the church, its hypocrisies and all, bonded over hating bev and crying over how beautiful rahul kohli is. really expanded my view of catholicism.
@legendswarble2845
@legendswarble2845 Жыл бұрын
I'm an atheist myself, and I really connected with MM, but so did my Christian dad. I think it has a universal appeal in that, at no point does it say that religion or the religious are bad. It never really validates any one belief system but instead makes a team of heroes from a Muslim, a theist, an atheist, and a Catholic. To me, so much of the significance of it was heald in its ability to look at the human condition and show the good, the bad, and the complex. The only people it condemned were the people who used their beliefs to elevate themselves by putting down others. Anyway, to stop rambling, I'm very glad this story was able to connect with so many people. I love a story that anyone can find some way to connect with and not feel alienated. I connected to it so strongly, I worried that Christians and theists wouldn't, but I'm glad to see I was wrong. It really was remarkably done
@alexandravalerious3274
@alexandravalerious3274 Жыл бұрын
i was raised religious but not christian or any of the book religious so it was hard to relate to and understand the more theological discussions bc theyre concepts i wasnt really familiar with wich made it hard to relate but it was still a cool show to watch ig if ur not religious but grow up in the western world through cultural osmosis u can still pick up on the allegories
@theautisticguitarist7560
@theautisticguitarist7560 Жыл бұрын
Rahul Kohli is just *chef kiss*
@betterlatethannever4536
@betterlatethannever4536 Жыл бұрын
First of all, thank you for talking about Midnight Mass because I watched it a year ago and it was A THING. I grew up Baptist not Catholic but my Mom was raised Catholic so that flavor definitely seeped into my life and Bev is very universal in all types of Christian communities. Second, as someone raised by ppl with seminary degrees, I LOVE the thoroughness of thought and philosophy you are serving here, this essay is amazing and I'm so happy YT rec'd it. Can't wait to see what you do next.
@shinyary2
@shinyary2 Жыл бұрын
Heyy, I grew up Southern Baptist! No Catholic connection for me, though. For me it was really weird having been told my whole life that Catholics are mostly just "lukewarm Christians", nearly all of which would be going to hell, either because of said lukewarmness or because they were worshipping idols (Virgin Mary, the crucifix, etc.), and then watching Midnight Mass and... sans the robes and stuff, the culture in the church in the show is exactly like the church I grew up in. I knew every one of those characters (except the whole leadership of the church, male and female, was basically Bev, and I didn't meet a Father Paul until later in life, sadly). I'm not religious anymore, so this show touched me deeply on so many levels. I'm also really happy to see such a thoroughly researched (and entertaining!) essay about it.
@coffinpuffs4539
@coffinpuffs4539 Жыл бұрын
the chair creaking in agreement throughout the entire video is what's single handedly keeping me alive during my 5:00 AM no sleep binge.
@unnecessarycherry2757
@unnecessarycherry2757 Жыл бұрын
Hi, decided to comment as a 17 year old girl rewatching this for the second time to fully grasp everything you point out in this video. I’m from Slovenia and I was raised in a village with population of 100-200 people and going to church (we’re catholics) since I was born. I was literally an altar-girl for almost 10 years. After I finished confirmation I sort of moved to the capital city of Slovenia to pursue my education, completely stopped going to church (first visit since then was literally a month ago when I went to midnight mass for christmas). I became an atheist and the first one to quote Marx with “religion is the opium for the masses” hahah. Can’t really say I have religious trauma, but I definitely had some bad experiences, especially with the people you would describe as “devout christians”. Lately I have been watching a lot of videos like this one, making me question my decisions and opinions about religion, but basically I just wanted to say that I can only aspire to one day reach this form of intellectualism and extraspection that you get to in this video. I just want to say THANK YOU and if you ever have the time to make a sequel I would love to hear your takes on the series Lucifer, because I think they make an interesting interpretation of how religious figures would act and behave in the “real world” in these times and how mortals react to it. I certainly have some disagreements about some interpretations made in the series based on the knowledge I gained raised in the catholic church. Have a great day and thanks again!
@lepercolony8214
@lepercolony8214 11 ай бұрын
I would suggest finding the rest of that Marx quote, Marx's engagement with religion is more complicated than many people - for or against Marx - believe.
@roeroeroen
@roeroeroen 6 ай бұрын
Tangentially related to your comment, if you're ever curious in engaging with other stuff like this I really recommend Theramin Trees! He discusses and deconstructs a lot of religion based trauma. Belief it or Not is also another channel that talks at length about Christianity but he's usually moreso focused on deconstructing Christianity in general.
@drewnicely
@drewnicely Жыл бұрын
Mike Flanagan sent me here. I'm listening to this in bed to wind down instead of a Cillian Murphy book narration. Subscribed.
@Light-fi1mj
@Light-fi1mj Жыл бұрын
Watching Midnight Mass has gotta be the most religious and/or connected to god I’ve felt in years. Which is kinda ironic, but I just really related to Riley as a character and seeing this analysis and having it all laid out is just so interesting! It makes me want to rewatch the show even though I literally finished it Last Night.
@rossanapalma5904
@rossanapalma5904 Жыл бұрын
I'm 40 minutes in (after having watched the Snapewives video) and I have to say, I have always loved philosophy/religious studies/anthropology but went another route when deciding what to study at university. Your approach of applying these concepts and analysis to popular media is fascinating and so so interesting. This made me want to revisit all the authors and thinkers that high-school made me like, but also label as "old dudes that are interesting but maybe not that relevant anymore". Looking forward to finishing the video and to your future work!
@rossanapalma5904
@rossanapalma5904 Жыл бұрын
I'm done - and yeah nothing to add apart from thank you. So much space and opportunity for further reflection and research that I'm so looking forward to lose myself in over the next few weeks until another fixation comes around :)
@jakeking3859
@jakeking3859 Жыл бұрын
After watching the first 30 minutes of this video, I was so intrigued by Midnight Mass that I went and watched the whole 7 hours of it. And I loved it. The way it was shot, acted, the writing, everything was so perfect. I loved the way they frequently kept the 'focal point' of scenes to the sides of the frame, encouraging you to look at everything in the shot, the positions of the camera, the way they use your instincts in that one shot in episode 2, the way the reverend played his part...it was so nice to watch a show so clearly crafted with so much love and attention to detail. Thank you so much for introducing me to this series. I probably would never have watched it otherwise. On the flip side, it sparked a whole religious debate with my mum, who is a Jesus person, where I am not. Which was kind of frustrating, but I was the one to bring it up, so I guess that's on me, lol.
@chewyjello1
@chewyjello1 Жыл бұрын
Yes! It's by far my favorite movie. It offers so much catharsis for those of us affected by religious trauma. I've imagined sharing the movie with my parents in the hopes that it would help them understand the "spiritual journey" (I guess you could say) that I'm on. But in the end I don't think they would have the capability of watching it with sophistication and nuance that's required to understand it. When you are used to being spoon fed a reality of black and white from the church, you seem to lose the ability to understand anything outside of the simple non-nuanced moralizing lense you've been taught to look through.
@lizd.2343
@lizd.2343 Жыл бұрын
Definitely watch his other stuff! Amazing
@yesipan
@yesipan Жыл бұрын
this taught me more than an entire semester in a religious philosophy class did edit: i just got to the part where you talk about abraham's bible story and i always thought the same thing and i grew up very catholic...oh my god you just blew my mind i was always so frustrated cause i didn't get why we were supposed to think this was a beautiful story cause to me it was just horrifying
@goldenlokosian3740
@goldenlokosian3740 Жыл бұрын
Loved this so much! Gotta say though, this opened my eyes to something I was not at all aware of. I was raised Mormon (though I ended up leaving the church) and your original interpretation of the Abraham and Isaac story IS what I was taught. By my bishop, by my teachers, by my community, by the children's and teenage media I was fed, and even by the Prophet and Apostles, I was taught the interpretation that God will ask us hard things and it was purely a story of obedience in the face of a monstrous command. I was taught that the ram WAS the reward for his obedience along with the implication that God likely would have killed Isaac anyway if Abraham hadn't obeyed, as it was through him that the promise his offspring would multiply to fill the earth would be fulfilled. It's such a surreal experience to have this new perspective on the story, especially since I haven't been a theist for years and that story had fully fallen back to unconscious memory.
@chewyjello1
@chewyjello1 Жыл бұрын
I was raised Southern Baptist and was taught both interpretations. The SB's in my area have a very high tolerance for cognisant dissonance and don't seem to think things through enough to even see the contradictions of so many of their beliefs. They just swallow down whatever is spoon fed to them with no questions. It's easy enough for children who "don't know thier place" to stump the adults with questions during Sunday school, which usually just leads to discipline for not showing respect to adults lol. My parents always seemed confused about what exactly they were supposed to believe regarding predestination vs free will in particular. I used to ask so many questions that circled around all the logic-black-holes in their belief claims, but they just couldn't admit there were any contradictions. In the end, the answer was always faith. The mysterious ways of God and all that. Not very satisfying for anyone that does not have a deep seeded psychological reason to delude themselves.
@alias201
@alias201 Жыл бұрын
I was raised Dutch Reformed in South Africa and I was definitely taught the first one. Abraham did well by nearly murdering his son and God was merciful for sending the ram instead. Obedience, no matter what. Edit: I've been an atheist since I was at least 19, so I haven't thought about this story in ages, but it's really messed up
@RootingForYouRoot
@RootingForYouRoot Жыл бұрын
I was raised Catholic in Mexico and we were taught the reward for obedience version
@zme2712
@zme2712 Жыл бұрын
I think the other interpretation was made up to ease the cognitive dissonance. I grew up JW and we were for sure taught the don't question god, obey no matter what take
@swiftlymurmurs
@swiftlymurmurs Жыл бұрын
@@alias201 Coming from the place the Dutch Reformed church originated... Oh boy, our protestantism really is a special, deeply bleak flavour of christianity huh?
@chrisrydburg9741
@chrisrydburg9741 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this thoughtful analysis. As someone who has struggled to reconcile faith for many years, Midnight Mass remains a pinnacle of me understanding my religious trauma and how to move forward. Thank you for articulating so many thoughts and feelings I've had over the years. Great video!
@gingeryard
@gingeryard 7 ай бұрын
whenever i'm stoned i gravitate toward your channel and find myself binge-watching all of your videos lol. they're incredible. i wish i could write essays even a tiny bit as good as yours, i'm studying writing and literature, i should be good at essays, but they always turn out badly for me. i can write poetry and stories but essays elude me. i just want my goddamn degree so i can get a job i might not hate ;-; i'm so tired.
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz 7 ай бұрын
being watched when you’re stoned is the highest of compliments (also - honestly essays are such a wild beast & these take months & months while being my sole focus, something you definitely can’t do during one semester with 2-3 other classes to worry about! If it helps, though, my tried and true formula is: tons of research, outline (vibes only) then select all of the quotes you like from the research, input the quotes into the outline where they line up vibe-wise, then just fill in with a lot of “and then so and so says *quote* based on *scene/fact* which aligns with *quote*” get it all down then worry about making it sound natural/interesting once the skeleton is there! Good luck you got this!
@gingeryard
@gingeryard 6 ай бұрын
@@upinurbiz i saw this a little while ago but forgot to reply, sorry, finals and shit are kicking my ass. thank you so much for your reply and advice, i appreciate it, this very useful. i wrote an essay last week on mcr, the tortured artist, foundations of decay, etc for a class following your advice. it's probably the best essay i've ever written. i owe you the first a i've gotten on an essay in years. definitely not a monster of an essay or a masterpiece like yours, but i'm happy with it, and i feel less horribly anxious about writing the next essay i have to write.
@Cvisscher
@Cvisscher Жыл бұрын
I'm only just starting the video but I was raised by Baptists and it blows my fucking mind hearing someone having a religious upbringing and not being intimately familiar revelations early enough to be permanently scarred. I knew that shit before the loaves and fishes
@FakavaKiller
@FakavaKiller Жыл бұрын
I'm here because Mike Flanagan himself recced and posted this video to his Tumblr!
@jmg1977
@jmg1977 Жыл бұрын
im literally BEGGING YOU to release the ending song on spotify or KZfaq or LITERALLY ANYWHERE I LOVE IT
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
wait are you serious bc I will
@jmg1977
@jmg1977 Жыл бұрын
@@upinurbiz I AM. i literally tried to find where you credited the song when it first started playing 😭
@chaoticgood12
@chaoticgood12 Жыл бұрын
SECONDED PLEASE DO IT FUCKS
@brooklynlopez3562
@brooklynlopez3562 Жыл бұрын
I second this I want it so bad
@riverb7mage
@riverb7mage Жыл бұрын
​@@upinurbizpleaaaase, that song was amazing
@upsetstudios1819
@upsetstudios1819 Жыл бұрын
This is the best video essay I've seen in years. It's thoughtful, well written, well told and has so many good questions
@Winter-Alpha-Omega
@Winter-Alpha-Omega Жыл бұрын
What surprises me is that the video was released 7 months ago and most of the comments are from this month, january 2023.
@javierangeles2530
@javierangeles2530 Жыл бұрын
​@@Winter-Alpha-Omega i just found it as well, the algorithm is weird
@pariahred13
@pariahred13 Жыл бұрын
This randomly came on with autoplay from a horror movie review guide. Had never heard of this channel. Instantly in love. I have a new pretend digital best friend.
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
hell yes
@pariahred13
@pariahred13 15 күн бұрын
​@upinurbiz it is one year later! I forgot I already watched this when it came on autoplay! And I'm a Patreon member now!
@pariahred13
@pariahred13 15 күн бұрын
Wait... his Twilight era... I didn't catch that last year. How dare you.
@caderedwood9199
@caderedwood9199 Жыл бұрын
As someone who still identifies as Catholic I adore Midnight Mass and I loved this break down, it's such an important critical analysis
@FIRING_BLIND
@FIRING_BLIND Жыл бұрын
The shame I feel at having seen God's Not Dead in theatres when I was a kid....I remember doing the thing at the end, and texting " God's not dead" top everyone in my phone at the time. Pure cringe. I hate the movie now. The cases of "Christan persecution" listed at the end of the film.... they were just mad that college counselors can't refuse services to gay students who pay tuition like everyone else.
@icetera6195
@icetera6195 Жыл бұрын
I can only imagine what it was like trying to pull all this together. You covered so many complicated and nuanced concepts in a way that was intelligent and genuinely human. It was brilliant and I was riveted
@ysodora8030
@ysodora8030 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the plot of Midnight mass in some ways is like a slightly exaggerated mirror to how I experienced losing my faith. I was raised Catholic, went to church every Sunday attended Catholic school. But I’m also Canadian and as part of our Social Studies curriculum we learn about the historic tragedy that was the Catholic run residential schools. These schools weee used by the church and the state to mandate Indigenous assimilation into the predominantly English and French Catholic culture. Hundreds of children died at the hands of abusive priests and Nuns. And the few others who survived are dealing with trauma so bad it’s affected them for generations. It took me five years to unpack my feelings around God and cognitive dissonance. And another five to untangle myself from the church and its community. If God is real, then he has created genocide, if not by commandment then by inaction. And if God is perfect then he cannot exist. For folks with the means and desire to help out Canadian First Nation, Inuit, and Métis groups, here an article of relevant charities: circleacts.org/best-indigenous-people-charities-nonprofits/ It may also be of interest to seek out the stories regarding residential school victims from their own communities to understand the issue in more depth, as it’s not my story to tell.
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
WOW. I know we had similar residential “schools” in the US that abused indigenous people and children but I don’t know enough about it to know if there were any religious ties (though it’s the US so who am I kidding) so it’s definitely something I’ll need to look into the connections of. I know very little about the religious landscape of Canada so this was very insightful and I’m grateful for your input! Also thank you for the link!!!
@elfinvale
@elfinvale Жыл бұрын
oops, meant to say the lutheran church *in Queensland*, my state, where a huge number of Germans settled. (eg my maternal family, who apparently were suffering religious persecution cuz they were Protestant. that's at least according to family lore!)
@elfinvale
@elfinvale Жыл бұрын
omg, i just realised my entire comment disappeared and only my clarification comment remains 🤦🏼 i tried to link to the Healing Foundation, the organisation here in Australia set up to help surviving members of the Stolen Generation, but i forgot that KZfaq doesn't like external links. basically i was sharing about how the Lutheran Church - in which i was raised - helped the various governmental organisations steal First Nations children here and that i'd had no idea until i was an adult. The colonial powers really just copy-pasted their strategy on to every new land they came to 🙃
@faristasairuv5143
@faristasairuv5143 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing this with us.
@neonpinkqueen1403
@neonpinkqueen1403 Жыл бұрын
"If god is real, then he has created genocife, if not by commandment then by inaction" Is such an amazing sentence, thank you for it
@lucrezia5414
@lucrezia5414 Жыл бұрын
as a recovering catholic Midnight Mass was such a cathartic and yet traumatic view. I loved it. it dug out stuff I had kept buried for 20 years. 1000/10 would recommend.
@ailsalillywhite2018
@ailsalillywhite2018 Жыл бұрын
When I first watched MM I was wretched for about two weeks, prone to crying jags, totally raw. It was just exactly what I needed, a wonderful dose of suffering and religious trauma. But after I stopped crying, screaming and throwing up, I remember thinking to myself that all my favorite KZfaqrs were atheist or Jewish, or just generally not super familiar with Christianity or it's associated literature, so I was unlikely to get a good analysis from anyone I already knew of and that I would have to keep my eye out for a KZfaqr who could unpack it as the story deserves. Thank you so much for this ❤ I'm a wreck all over again ❤
@wherethewildthingswere
@wherethewildthingswere Жыл бұрын
ex-muslim, still living in a muslim household in a completely muslim country. i doubt i will ever truly be able to escape the clutches of this ideology into which i was born, but midnight mass gave me such a profound catharsis as i watched it, i felt like i was freed from something.
@emborhansen1251
@emborhansen1251 Жыл бұрын
I mean this in the best way possible, this was a gorgeous sermon. It reminded me of what I loved about Christianity, the meant to be unconditional love of neighbors and bottomless redemption and forgiveness. There is and will always be beauty in those ideals, but they are achievable outside of the Christian bounds.
@salyx
@salyx Жыл бұрын
You mentioned Muslim input, so I’m hoping you allow links: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecB2n6mcrLmwfaM.html I have really enjoyed seeing detailed breakdowns of this amazing show. I’m really surprised your video didn’t show up during one of my many searches!
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
YES I will always welcome links to further reading/clarification and corrections and that video is great! Gives so much context to a lot of the Muslim representation in midnight mass compared to other media to so 10/10 recommend people watch this.
@salyx
@salyx Жыл бұрын
@@upinurbiz awesome, glad it helped enrich the media for you! The comments also add more to it as well.
@Feamelwen
@Feamelwen Жыл бұрын
It's very interesting to me that you equate the catholic ethos with "spiritual capitalism". I actually feel that the catholic ethos is closer to something like feudalism (there's absolutely the guilt thing, but also, "just be content with your lot in life, PEASANT"), and protestantism (and especially American evangelism) is pure capitalism to me (besides the historial links between capitalism and protestantism, the whole sickly sweet toxic positivity and "let's pretend that anyone can make it if they work hard/believe enough" thing). One is more primitive and grim and directly limiting, the other more modern and fakely happy and pretends to be "freeing" and to have social/spiritual mobility. I've never felt the capitalist thing in European catholicism, more like the "you have to stay in your place and like it" kind of thing. I'll admit, despite not believing nor practicing either, the honest brutality of catholicism in nearer to my heart than the capitalist realism nightmare of protestantism. Don't want to offend anyone, just my own gut feelings. (Source : me, an ex-catholic from Europe).
@girldavid
@girldavid Жыл бұрын
THE OUR FATHER IS THE PARTY IN THE USA I CHOKED
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME IM WRONG everybody knows that one ✨it’s a bop🙌🏻
@packman2321
@packman2321 Жыл бұрын
This won't be the most informed version out there (I''m running off a week's study during undergrad on the binding of Isaac) but I think there's some interesting layers to the story of Abraham and Isaac in some earlier versions: Firstly, there's an interesting context in that people sacrificing their children to God wasn't that uncommon in the period (normally after a disaster). 4 Maccabbes discusses a woman who ended up sacrificing seven of her sons in this way and some versions even extend 4 Maccabbes 14 to include a passage where she sends one of her surviving children to criticise Abraham for his pride (verse 26 according to my notes, though all versions I can find with a google search cut 4Maccabbes at 14:20 which suggests these verses are like the ones in Daniel where he fights a dragon with rice cakes [i.e. cut out for being weird]). So Abraham's command to kill Isaac isn't unusual for God in the old Testament. The weirdest part is that He's asking Abraham seemingly before the disaster. The second one though is the kicker. There's debate in early versions about whether the ram Abraham sacrifices was sent by God (the angel appearing only in later translations). Some scholars have suggested that the story is actually Abraham going up the mountain and then trying to fool God into thinking he's killed his son, because he legitimately can't go through with it. This reading is weird and I don't remember enough to put it fully in context, but I like to think that it speaks to a God who's relationship with Abraham would let a failed test slide. Anyway, I'm sure there's more that could be said on Abraham and Isaac, but those are the two facts I remember. I'm really enjoying these videos! Not much in the media criticism field puts my BA in Philosophy and Theology to use.
@mxpants4884
@mxpants4884 Жыл бұрын
Any idea if there's historical support for the descriptions of other groups engaging in human sacrifice (particularly of your own children)? It seems like something I've mostly heard about as an accusation about a neighboring group of people to other them (or indigenous groups).
@mauriziobruni5728
@mauriziobruni5728 Жыл бұрын
I'm here because Mike Flanagan himself just recommended your video essay on twitter.
@strawberryfox8819
@strawberryfox8819 Жыл бұрын
I just wanna say, I admire Mike Flanagan so much. The easter eggs of constantly using similar or the same actors in his projects, his personal touch in directing and his story telling is always top notch. Just absolutely amazing.
@reiy8401
@reiy8401 Жыл бұрын
as someone raised baptist i never heard about solomon being left in hell and building a church there! what in the world?? i feel like i've missed out on so much lore! lol
@wynngwynn
@wynngwynn 9 ай бұрын
midnight mass changed my life (grew up with a lot of religious trauma)
@caileymarietattoo
@caileymarietattoo Жыл бұрын
Oh my god how have I never been suggested this video before! As someone who was raised southern Baptist (all the guilt of Catholicism but none of the style) I was extremely bitter towards Christianity for a while since it basically traumatized me. But recently I’ve been extremely interested in the philosophy and the stories of Christianity as a separate entity from “The Church” and it’s been such a healing experience. I absolutely LOVED midnight mass and this video is so ridiculously interesting I’ve loved every second. You have a new sub! Thank you for your perspective and thoughts :)
@Gee-StevieG
@Gee-StevieG Жыл бұрын
“By the time Father Paul is just a priest…standing in front of an alcoholic…asking him to become a vampire -“ That’s not my biggest takeaway from this, but it’s a funny one :’)
@sarahellis7429
@sarahellis7429 Жыл бұрын
i don't have a thoughtful comment to add at this point but i just want to say this was incredible. your writing, the way you uniquely string concepts together, your presence on screen, the narrative, the humour, its just chefs kiss. looking forward to seeing more!
@FIRING_BLIND
@FIRING_BLIND Жыл бұрын
11:46 - ironically, Nietzche was highly opposed to anti-Semitism. Some of his work regarding justice and envy unfortunately played into some anti-Semitic tropes, but he was still highly against antisemitism himself. His SISTER though.... big time Nazi. She reorganized some of his works in a way that made it appear to support Nazism and it's practices. I personally think Nietzche didn't support eugenics either. Partly because he himself probably would've been targeted. He was fairly blind, and disabled ppl do not benefit from eugenics. Like the Ubermensch wasn't supposed to be a physically super man. He just played into the idea of one metaphorically... but the idea was that the uber mensch makes his own rules. The definition of Ubermensch on Google gives you "the ideal superior man of the future who could rise above conventional Christian morality to create and impose his own values, originally described by Nietzsche in Thus Spake Zarathustra". Because a big part of his philosophy was that ideas of good and evil.... we made all that up. Which means we can remake it, and change it. It's part of why his work is so influential on modern political theory. The idea that we made everything up.... it's a big part of a lot of modern political thought. In fact, ACTUAL Superman plays into this-and he was made by two Jewish men. He followed his own values of truth and justice. Of honesty and compassion. And he didn't see himself as super because of it. Which is what made him a true ubermensch. An ubermensch doesn't think of himself as an ubermensch. But again, his sister republished his works, and seems to have left that part out.
@kayleerogers969
@kayleerogers969 Жыл бұрын
This was so incredibly well researched and so in depth that it’s rocketed up to be one of my favorite video essays I’ve ever watched. You’ve even convinced me to read Dostoevsky which is a feat 😂
@mythrules146
@mythrules146 Жыл бұрын
This is going in my "rewatch endlessly" rotation immediately
@MozzleStead
@MozzleStead Жыл бұрын
Wow. Just this incredible, hilarious, thoughtful, creative commentary which is going to go make Midnight Mass again. Came here because Flanagan referenced it. But, holy moly, I was raised Catholic, in Puerto Rico, which is well, extra Catholic, which is why Midnight Mass was so moving, and special to me. But this makes me see it anew.
@wonderingdryad2927
@wonderingdryad2927 Жыл бұрын
GORGEOUS VIDEO! I wasn’t raised Christian but I now identify as Christian, partly thanks to how Midnight Mass reframed the whole institution for me. I’m also going to study theology at university next year; this video is full of what I love in respectful debates - intersectionality!
@aceofspades3533
@aceofspades3533 Жыл бұрын
I've watched this video so many times all my KZfaq ads are Christian conversion ads.
@casuallydepressed
@casuallydepressed Жыл бұрын
Girl, these videos are great! Imma need more!
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
legit working on it as we speak 😬😬
@theaelliott4737
@theaelliott4737 Жыл бұрын
This video is incredible. You made the very academic parts so easy to understand! Motivating me to actually work on my uni essays. Also your song burn down is beautiful please put it somewhere else too !!!
@Orion_Is_Sleepy
@Orion_Is_Sleepy Жыл бұрын
This channel is deeply and drastically under appreciated. I can’t even describe how much of a changer you’re going to be. Holy shit.
@juanitaschlink2028
@juanitaschlink2028 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic essay. You got me extremely interested in two bit of media I haven't seen and Christian/catholic dogma. Sweet.
@bagelprince3
@bagelprince3 Жыл бұрын
midnight mass is one of my all time favorite shows. SO powerful and the characters feel real and human. loved your video! youre entertaining and have good taste hehe
@The-bird-outside-your-door
@The-bird-outside-your-door 11 ай бұрын
This is the video that started me down my path of deconstruction ( of my faith ) and I just wanted to come back and say thank you.
@jmarch3467
@jmarch3467 Жыл бұрын
As an ex-Catholic and private school kid who loved Midnight Mass, I honestly cackled, paused, and subscribed when you said you got kicked out of CCD.
@damejanea.macdonald2371
@damejanea.macdonald2371 Жыл бұрын
Learning the plot of Midnight Mass solely through this video was a trip. It was a good trip and one where I got a lot more out of it with all the references you were able to provide than if I watched it directly, but it was also a trip with moments where, after an hour about an AA meeting involving a discussion of theology, I thought the horror mentioned in the genre was a psychological horror, and then suddenly a vampire leapt across the screen and ate someone.
@ophiedokie
@ophiedokie Жыл бұрын
i cant believe this has less than 200 likes this is incredible. im so bad at commenting on videos but i really feel like you haven't gotten enough recognition for the effort put in here. this was so easy to watch and listen to and so insightful and thoughtful. I can't wait to see more videos from you and go back and watch the others!!!
@four_girls_in_search_of_awesom
@four_girls_in_search_of_awesom Жыл бұрын
Watched up until the morality of eating people and then went to watch Midnight Mass. I loved it, and probably wouldn’t have seen it if not for you. Came back and watched the rest of your vid of course. Thank you.
@tuttypatuty
@tuttypatuty 7 ай бұрын
i think i've watched this 3 hour video essay around 4 times now. biz, i think you own my life. i've recommended this to so many mf people and i come back to it religiously (ha). you make quite literally incredible content
@koryndv
@koryndv Жыл бұрын
I hate to say that KZfaq has been feeding your videos to me on my fyp for the last week or so and at first I resisted clicking… I’m glad I finally did because these are incredible!! I cannot believe you haven’t blown up yet.
@savannahz1290
@savannahz1290 Жыл бұрын
Ever since I watched Midnight Mass back at the end of 2021 I have wanted a video like this, someone thoughtfully deep-diving into this show that had such interesting and poignant things to say about faith and organized religion. Turns out you made the video I have longed for MONTHS ago!! The GND parallels were just icing on the cake, haha. THANK YOU for all your hard work; it really shines through.
@GermsOilCotten
@GermsOilCotten Жыл бұрын
I fucking love Midnight Mass, It is one of the very VERY rare cases of a movie or show portraying Christians as well as ashiest both very well written, and respectful of the believes held by the characters. It's really funny and ultimately VERY SAD the way Hollywood seems to always pick a side, Like had midnight mass been made by someone less capable and letting the studio guide them it would have been like every other movie where you can tell the movie was leaning really hard into the Christian bad and stupid and wrong which is what Hollywood usually does with such a subject. But when I heard that midnight mass was being made by the same dude that made oculus I was Pleasantly surprised. Than upon watching MM I was floored, and instantly made everyone I know who likes thoughtful or horror stuff. The talk between The devout Woman and the atheist was so good and you do not get a feel for the film makers Views as he treats both perspectives as valid and correct. I personally am not a Christian or religious but I was raised a preachers kid and going to church twice a week most of my life. I am grateful for all the values they taught me, and it hurts me when I see how they are treated most of the time. Like if you don't believe the same as they do that is perfectly ok, doesn't mean that they are stupid or any less of a person than the rest of us. I guess what I'm saying is Midnight Mass is amazing, and everyone please just treat everyone else like they are fellow people. Even if we all hold completely contrasting and different believes. Lets just Love one another for fuck sake. :)
@86fifty
@86fifty 5 ай бұрын
I am so glad I watched this whole thing because your mind-break level of angst at the Isaac story at like one-hour-thirty? That's EXACTLY how I feel about the Job story. It's just TEXTBOOK abusive relationship experience, right there! G-d agrees to ruin the life of a super-cool dude who LOVED HIM and did everything RIGHT, all because his best buddy S-tan said, "If you destroyed his life for no reason, this guy would hate you." To which G-d said, "Bet." (makes angry hand-pointing gestures at Job 1:1-12) And yeah, maybe The Faithful can have a reading where it's a LOVE STORY, where it's INSPIRING that Job BELIEVES that G-d is doing this "for his own good" or like, "He doesn't really mean it." Or worse, "I must have done something to deserve it." CUZ LIKE, this is the year two-thousand-and-somethin?? We CARE about toxic relationship behavior now??? And this AWFUL??? (granted, that was the old testament god, and there's a robust argument to be made that it's literally A DIFFERENT GOD between OT and NT. But still. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth, dude.)
@annalunelli13
@annalunelli13 Жыл бұрын
oh the english major-ness of that reference list. Chef's kiss
@mikeambs
@mikeambs Жыл бұрын
One fun thing I learned in researching Abrahamic religion (for a writing project) was that *on top* of Jesus showing up in both the NT and the Quran; the angel Gabriel is not only used to tell various women they are about to conceive miraculously (Mary and Salome, who happens to be Mary's cousin... very soap opera of the NT... anyway), Gabriel also is the angel who hangs out (off and on) in a cave over 13+ years with Muhammad as he's writing out the Quran. So yeah, there's a lot of fun overlap between characters that get utilized differently. PS. I'm an hour into this video and it's awesome.
@rahamahamamoud6859
@rahamahamamoud6859 Жыл бұрын
Hey great analysis, as a muslim i just want to correct your statement about the Prophet pbuh, he received revelation for 10 plus years but not at the cave, he was illiterate and he would recite the Qur’an as it was coming down (it was a whole thing) it was complied shortly after his death but by then everyone knew it like the back of their hand and the science of it ( we have found the oldest Qur’an and it matches the ones present) Gabriel came to the prophet pbuh at the cave but they would hang out while he was in medinah and other stages in life, not just the cave!
@mikeambs
@mikeambs Жыл бұрын
@@rahamahamamoud6859 Thank you, Raha! :)
@smiklosovic8971
@smiklosovic8971 Жыл бұрын
I haven't gotten there yet, but I noticed a section ahead is titled, "what do you want, Paul?" and if I don't get a starkid clip when I arrive there, I'm gonna riot. Edit: I have literally never been more satisfied in my entire life
@upinurbiz
@upinurbiz Жыл бұрын
YESS
@bananas999
@bananas999 5 ай бұрын
Created a new playlist called "life changing" for this video essay. Thank you so much for making this. I was raised very much a "God's Not Dead" type of Christian and have been battling my own feelings that blind faith without independent moral thought is not enough, and what to do about that. I feel your analysis of Riley has helped me get one step further toward an answer. Will be checking out the brothers karamozov. Thank you!
@bigbugjpeg
@bigbugjpeg Жыл бұрын
i had to finish this in two days and this... this is beautiful. i needed this video and i think allah continues to lead me to places like this in order to feel secure and comfortable despite knowing i will stay questioning. your work was impeccable, the way you tie themes and stories together with transitions -- just a masterful script, i hope you give yourself lots of credit. that was very informative but also very powerful. thank you for this.
@darthbane5676
@darthbane5676 Жыл бұрын
Personally, I’m a Christian, albeit a pretty progressive one, but I think that if he didn’t want you to keep questioning, he wouldn’t have made you such a curious being.
@bigbugjpeg
@bigbugjpeg Жыл бұрын
@Darth Bane ;-; thank you so much for these kind words...!!!
@simmyjester
@simmyjester Жыл бұрын
Riley being taken to heaven by an angel makes sense in the context of the show. As an atheist watching Midnight Mass, I had just figured he was hallucinating.
@carlycrays2831
@carlycrays2831 8 ай бұрын
I think it's both? Riley is a good, kind person who yearns for forgiveness and life. And because he died knowing that he was performing an act of love, he died seeing the beauty he deserved. It doesn't matter if it was a real angel or not, it was a reward either given to him by God or by himself.
@lukarion2045
@lukarion2045 Жыл бұрын
Great Video! And thanks for the out of nowhere starkid reference, that broke me for a sec xD Also same with the Isaak story, also always had your reading, didn't even know the other one existed (but I was raised catholic, so maybe they were more pro the fearing god side)
@diana_brownie
@diana_brownie Жыл бұрын
The whole video waiting for the clip where Riley's mom says "you aren't a good person" and i was worth it, sooo good, love it, chef's kiss
@chelscara
@chelscara 6 ай бұрын
4:49 I got “asked politely not to come back” after interrupting the ark story for asking too many questions about the boat. I was 8.
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