The Avengers vs MAGNETO! | New Avengers: The Collective

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10 ай бұрын

HOUSE OF M changed the planet; now, a new, major threat has emerged. The New Avengers are about to be put to the test in a way they never have before. Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #avengers
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@comicpop 10 ай бұрын

Pick up New Avengers: The Collective right here! amzn.to/3PSSDuF

@Sicod79 10 ай бұрын

I enjoyed this episode, but I couldn't stop looking at Sal's shirt and thinking Captain America just exploded a guy.

@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 10 ай бұрын

"Oh darn it. Tony...yeah, it's me. I did it again."

@endlessvoid7952 10 ай бұрын

😂😂

@questionhound 10 ай бұрын

He Xenomorph'd Sal!!!

@mjlooney 10 ай бұрын

Must be John Walker

@Doom-qg4je 10 ай бұрын

Yeah it looks like a fastball special gone wrong

@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache 10 ай бұрын

“I need a comfort book.” Things said moments before disaster.

@sangera 10 ай бұрын

To answer Ben's question about the X-Gene: after House of M, the X-Gene simply disappeared. The mutants' death caused Hank McCoy to start his trek across the world to find a way to resurrect mutant-kind. On the journey, Hank discovered that the X-Gene was just gone (X-Men: Endangered Species).

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

Man, that plot point sounds so absurd when you say it out loud like that. Imagine if you went to the doctor’s office and they just tell you, “We’re sorry, but the gene that gave you superpowers has just disappeared. It’s straight-up not there anymore. The chromosomes that allowed you to defy the laws of physics themselves have ceased to exist on a conceptual level.” That would be really fucked up I think

@CozmicEmbyrs 10 ай бұрын

Sal screaming "IT'S NOT DNA!" just made my day, holy shit No matter what, Comic Pop never fails to put a smile on my face, as I'm sure it does for people all over the world. Keep staying awesome, guys!

@thomasshuck3923 10 ай бұрын

I would absolutely listen to y’all debate the merits of the fifty state initiative for at least as long as the Doomsday Clock episode.

@IzzysIssues 7 ай бұрын

I'll second that

@kiko1935 10 ай бұрын

Just want you guys to know I am intentionally not watching your back issues so I can stockpile them all up for a massive 12 hour flight to Europe. Love you guys

@matiasmendoza9274 10 ай бұрын

And to think I didn't watch them for three weeks straight just so I can have something to enjoy during holidays 😂

@MrEnKaye 10 ай бұрын

Im just imagining Logan pouring out a bottle of Maple Crown Royal whiskey for his fallen Alpha Flight brethren 😅

@anthonyleecollins9319 10 ай бұрын

"There's a lot of words in this book. Maybe one of them says that." 🙂

@joshuabudman9109 10 ай бұрын

"It was Paralax" made me laugh so hard I was crying. I love you guys.

@SpiralSine6 10 ай бұрын

I think Marvel and DC accidentally got their memos swapped and Batman got the Avenger’s mandate to “get back to basics”

@rayumbo 10 ай бұрын

I didn’t heed your warning, I played the drinking game, I passed out in the first 30 mins

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

I, too, yearn for the days of the New Avengers once again. Preferably written by Al Ewing. Or Jed McKay, if he ends up rebranding the main Avengers book during his current run on the title. And it absolutely _must_ be drawn by Pepe Larraz - that part is non-negotiable. Edit: Thank you to the person in the replies who helped me remember that Al Ewing _already did_ a run on New Avengers - the one in 2016 where Sunspot was the leader and the main villain was the Maker from the Ultimate Universe. That book ruled so hard, I can’t believe I forgot about it until just now.

@jclombardi8471 10 ай бұрын

Al Ewing actually did write a run on New Avengers around 2016. It was pretty good.

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

@@jclombardi8471 Oh shit, you’re right, I completely forgot about that! That’s the one where he brought the Maker over to 616, right? God, that book was so much fun.

@TheClitCommander530 10 ай бұрын

I'm surprised Bendis didn't put Quake on the team, considering that's exactly what he did with Naomi during his JL run.

@oldkingcole4354 10 ай бұрын

I got this image in my head of Iron Man serving the energy up like a volley ball and the Sentry spiking it into the sun.

@Joecbg100 10 ай бұрын

Oh....the whole Xorn debacle. Good luck

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

The only time Xorn has ever been a good character since his original appearance was in Hickman’s Powers of X, and that was because Hickman just ignored the entire debacle with Magneto and just made his own OC named Xorn, who is from the future, and also just wants to die. I love Future Xorn.

@Joecbg100 10 ай бұрын

I still have a soft spot for Xorn turning into Magneto @@halfmettlealchemist8076

@fulmetal94 10 ай бұрын

18:40 - Sal was cooking

@ItsOver9000Productions 10 ай бұрын

I miss these guys too Sal. This is the best Era for the Avengers imo

@Alistair3900 10 ай бұрын

Great convo. Sal's point about Bendis' control of the line leading to this illusion of cohesion is so important. When every character on the Avengers has their own solo title, it's hard to make anything that happens with the group stick without pulling Bendis levels of control (or doing the time jump Hickman did in the later 3rd of his run) It's also wild to think that before the period this book came out, Ms Marvel went a full 30 years without her own solo series. People talk about Bendis saving Luke Cage from relative obscurity, but Carol wouldn't have had the star for the later DeConnick relaunch if she wasn't a Bendis fave either.

@JLD22591 10 ай бұрын

Yes! More New Avengers! I love this series for all the reasons Sal does. Glad to see him covering it again.

@ShudderingSeagull 10 ай бұрын

I'd love to see Sal cover the entirety of Aaron's run on Avengers because WTFFFFFFFF

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

They covered the first arc on here, I believe - the one with the… _sigh_ …Evil Celestials. (God, the fact that I even have to type those words to describe that story is a testament to what a clusterfuck that run was in its entirety.) Personally, I want to see them cover the Vampire War arc, because that’s where Aaron’s run peaked IMO.

@spencernaugle 10 ай бұрын

I love New Avengers. Glad to hear you talk about it again.

@bensneb360 10 ай бұрын

The New Avengers help prove that the early to mid 2000s were Marvel at its peak

@mad0813 10 ай бұрын

"He watched Rob" i love it.

@theronhildebrand5925 10 ай бұрын

The parallax joke by Ethan killed me😂

@BoyNamedSue4 10 ай бұрын

One of the reasons I dislike civil war is because it cut this run short.

@Ducaso 10 ай бұрын

A big fireball of mutant energy comes devastatingly to Earth and transforms 1 person. Not a single mention of the Phoenix force. What a missed opportunity.

@Martin_TheCollector 10 ай бұрын

Aw yeah baby! Time 2 get the popcorn ready.

@shadowanderson2004 10 ай бұрын

I would like to mention that Houston Texas had Kain scarlet spider as their superhero for a while. Also gotta love the Harbor Patrol shirt

@panduh_go_crazy-.-9957 10 ай бұрын

Binary actually has a really good comeback in her current run

@jamesc2889 10 ай бұрын

Hi! Im actually taking a Criminology class and the thing cage was talking about was actually real! HOWEVER the crime rates went down because (as a whole) because crime was trending downward anyway! Wild how a video can collide with my studies lol!

@eqs1782 10 ай бұрын

The Magneto Protocols!!!

@orngcreator6115 10 ай бұрын

Gotta get back to the New Avengers? Yes. But more importantly we MUST get back to a new episode of Harbor Patrol! Ben knows what’s up.

@seanberrodin801 10 ай бұрын

I think Donny cates is the only writer in the last 5 years who could write something as good and monumental as new avengers.

@finnj.harrison6139 10 ай бұрын

I hope he’s taking the time he needs to heal after his car crash, that said, I eagerly await whatever his next project is

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

Not to discredit Donny Cates’ work (I heard about his accident, and I sincerely hope he’s doing well), but I think Al Ewing deserves to be included in that category of writers as well. Immortal Hulk alone puts that man ahead of, like, 95% of the rest of Marvel’s current writing staff.

@seanberrodin801 10 ай бұрын

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 as far as quality of writing I agree 100% but I don’t thing Ewing plays with the same sort of cards one would need in their hand to write a great new avengers type book. I think it’s best exemplified with his guardians run compared to ewings. I think Ewing is more analogous to Hickman with his deeper emphasis on the world building and character relations and cates is more like bendis with bombastic plots and snappy dialogue. Both are great and have their place in storytelling but I think new avengers needs the latter more than the former.

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

@@seanberrodin801 That’s a fair perspective on things - I can’t argue with your logic. Ewing is a writer with priorities, same as any other, and it’s totally fine if his priorities for a book don’t really reflect your own desires of what you want that book to be. I get that feeling. Have you been reading the recent Jed MacKay run on Avengers, by any chance? I feel like, so far, it’s been the closest thing to Bendis’ New Avengers in terms of tone that the line has been in years - there’s definitely been an emphasis on smart and snappy banter and blockbuster action/stakes in the past few issues that I think matches what you were looking for.

@seanberrodin801 10 ай бұрын

@@halfmettlealchemist8076 yeah I’ve been reading it ajd I agree. I just don’t love the team so it’s hard for me to be invested. I will say I’m not anti a Ewing tenure on avengers if he’s for a plan for it but I feel like It’s still too close to hickmans monumental run on the title. There will be too much comparison to the detriment of both books.

@Grievousish 10 ай бұрын

So what you're saying is, the mutant power energy became a spirit bomb? That'd be something I'd like to see

@eventyraren 10 ай бұрын

51:50 so this is the inspiration for the villain in "My hero academia"

@CatotheE 10 ай бұрын

When I was younger I really liked the New Avengers and I still do, but no that I know I'm older and I know more about the history of the team, it's really sours the run that Bedis took a dump on stalwart members like Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Vision because they weren't as popular as characters like Spider-Man and Wolverine.

@magicalgirllaurie 10 ай бұрын

Here’s my question. They sent Spider-Man to see if they could depower Michael. If he hadn’t been interrupted from doing that, would Spider-Man have found a way to artificially extract this energy from mutants, therefore finding a cure for Mutants?

@halfmettlealchemist8076 10 ай бұрын

My personal answer to this question is that yes, Spidey could have potentially found a cure for Mutants if given enough time, but he would also destroy the cure immediately because he would know that SHIELD/the government could never be trusted with that much power, and he would know a thing or two about what must come with great power. Plus, Spidey’s an ally, and he wouldn’t want to make the X-Men mad at him because they’re his friends.

@thebigjj4294 10 ай бұрын

I swear you guys always keep me entertained when I have a long ride or have to wait somewhere for a long time. But I mostly hear you guys, watching all the videos, at work. 😊 Keep up the great work

@PowerPackers90 10 ай бұрын

As a comic book fan from Wisconsin. I always assumed someone at Marvel just really hated Kenosha. so he invented Genosha vent his frustration.

@danieljames9322 10 ай бұрын

You guys really help out my week for entertainment. I thank you for everything you guys do.

@ryuoh6928 10 ай бұрын

You know what I'd love next? "Spider-Man: Back to black". The most hardcore (in the good sense of the word) Spider-Man comic I've had the pleasure to revisit recently.

@eqs1782 10 ай бұрын

You know what be fun, comic book science with Ethan 😂

@NovastarDoughnut 10 ай бұрын

Comicpop is some of my favourite content. It also has the side effect of also making me really sleepy and being perfect nighttime listening

@patrickbouf5661 10 ай бұрын

never see these when theyre uploaded but whenever i check and see a new back issues I make a pog face

@greenberry6019 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, boys. Always good having more Bendis episodes

@xkabuto 10 ай бұрын

"I just watched Rob and heard him talk about it for a few minutes" - Sums up my comic book knowledge

@DementedDistraction 10 ай бұрын

I dig the vintage Captain America shirt - used to see it advertised in comics all the time during the early 90s.

@mdkdragon7 10 ай бұрын

Yet another great episode! Love you all

@secretlabart 10 ай бұрын

Finally, I've been waiting for this one. 🎉

@kazual6149 10 ай бұрын

Man, I have not read this story in years!!!

@R.J.Godzilla81 10 ай бұрын

@5:17 That’s not how energy works, at least not magical energy.

@davidking1805 10 ай бұрын

Love the rob explains shout out.

@KenByrneNL 10 ай бұрын

I never ever understood Xorn …. And I still don’t LOL … another great episode

@TheSkyCaptain52 7 ай бұрын

To be fair, if Bendis had watched a Rob episode on Binary, he would be wayyyyy more knowledgeable then surface level! 😂

@TevyaSmolka 10 ай бұрын

The New Avengers vs Magento does really awesome and super interesting grated like sal said it does take place right before civil war happens but honestly as a story itself its a interesting series to see the new avengers deal with the registration act and magneto at least in my opinion. :)

@THE_Dodge_Morningstar 10 ай бұрын

😂How come what? At the end there, Ben asked "How Come..." and then nothing! Lol That's going to bother me forever... Or at least until I fall asleep. Or get distracted.

@MeSpawn297 10 ай бұрын

Oooh! Great choice!

@scottl.9725 10 ай бұрын

I love the shirt Sal!

@jonfrombuckland_3784 10 ай бұрын

Wait! Santa is a Mutant in the Marvel Universe if I remember correctly, Was he affected by House of M?!

@mr.master2017 10 ай бұрын

Despite the quality of the story, I absolutely love Bendis’ Avengers and hope that we continue to get more of it on the couch

@Spiderclownassassin 10 ай бұрын

Ultimate spider man and I love you guy keep it up

@feliperisseto9113 10 ай бұрын

I wish the New Avengers would comeback.

@cameronf7566 10 ай бұрын

YESSS!!! MORE NEW AVENGERS!!!!

@jackgoblue 10 ай бұрын

Sal where did you get awesome Cap Shirt? By the way Little Cesar's is pretty good 😊

@comicpop 10 ай бұрын

www.weaponprime.com/

@joshuamillerveki4707 10 ай бұрын

I was completely fed up with today until this.

@Aspooninthetrunk 4 ай бұрын

Is that the shirt I see on Google for 199 at the cheapest. Wow Sal said drip or drown

@a.c.slater7989 10 ай бұрын

Idk about her miss marvel days but Carol can go binary at any time now or if she absorbs enough energy

@takeruneverborn4740 10 ай бұрын

Okay guys I have to ask after civil war is there a series of books where the new avengers as secret avengers under Doctor strange and Luke Cage have books or tie ins I wonder I been trying to find those types of books featuring them

@karl_alan 10 ай бұрын

As someone that liked the Morrison Xorn/Magneto reveal...this is frustrating.

@YunierViada 10 ай бұрын

So funny story. The Neverending Story as a kid I also did not get what Bastian said, there was no subtitles either (I watched it in Cuba). But for whatever reason is very clear on DvD.

@ChristopherZubin 10 ай бұрын

Not everyone can be like me and Michael. The only problem is forgetting which side you're on.

@endlessvoid7952 10 ай бұрын

I loved New Avengers when it came out, but I gotta admit.. hearing Sal talk about, it seems kinda dumb and empty in retrospect. I still really like it :P

@codystork3008 10 ай бұрын

Bendis really tries to juggle characters in New Avengers, only when Carol and Bob were mentioned as sometime Avengers did I realize wait shouldn't Ronin/Echo be in this book? She joined the team last volume but I don't see her in any of the panels. He seems to have a heavy hitter squad of Bob and Carol when he needs it but if a character can't do anything they just are not in the book today.

@Cthuski 10 ай бұрын

"HOWCOME--"

@Hentaidaddi 10 ай бұрын

Dope shirt sal

@georgemckay7795 10 ай бұрын

Um, actually North Pole, Alaska is a city that neighbors Fairbanks (puffs from inhaler)

@thedukeofchutney468 10 ай бұрын

Is it wrong that the only reason I was interested in the New Avengers is because Spider-Man was on the team? Edit: At 29:36 Sal vindicates my opinion. 😂

@seanberrodin801 10 ай бұрын

I think you’re one of many. I know that’s why I read it and a big reason why I loved it. It helped that bendis actually wrote him pretty well.

@MrEnKaye 10 ай бұрын

I promise you weren't the only one 😅

@takeruneverborn4740 10 ай бұрын

Bendis was thinking why are the biggest names in marvel weren't on an avengers team like Spiderman and Wolverine and then he thought I will put the biggest under dogs in marvel aka the Street Level Characters

@JLD22591 10 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure the readership on this book was split between like 40% reading just for Spider-Man 40% reading just for wolverine and then 20% of Avenger audience.

@superjlk_9538 10 ай бұрын

That’s why he is there. Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Wolverine, and Cap all together are why I like it. I also like Ronin too but I wish it was daredevil

@Amuro1X 10 ай бұрын

Energy.

@Animalfriend777 10 ай бұрын

Look the Secret Invasion show had a lot wrong with it, but revisiting stuff like this is a lot of people just like the Maria Hill in the MCU because Colbie Smulders played her

@vcreed79 10 ай бұрын

I wonder what the Florida super hero team looked like in the 50 state initiative

@HaussmannComics 10 ай бұрын

But wasn't The Xorn Magneto retconned to have never been Magneto but John Sublime or something the whole time? Or am I misremembering that?

@aisnota5192 Ай бұрын

28:50 Minus the Bigotry I hope.

@coreypeterson555 10 ай бұрын

Sal is that a Jim Lee drawn Captain America?

@comicpop 10 ай бұрын

Yes!

@coreypeterson555 10 ай бұрын

@comicpop sweet, the first 15mins of the episode I was waitaminute...is it? Could it be? Thanks I just had to know. 😀

@steviemacc2745 6 ай бұрын

Please do Dark Avengers

@liamro2 10 ай бұрын

I’ve been watching for roughly 10 years now… and 10 years ago I started University

@shreyanshdas7481 6 ай бұрын

ITS NOT DNA LOL

@donavan34 10 ай бұрын

Ultimate spider man

@MsTitovski 10 ай бұрын

So we could say Michael is an importer/exporter of energy?

@reapersyth11 10 ай бұрын

How come…

@kazual6149 10 ай бұрын

I embarrassingly have read all of omegas appearances 😂

@comicpop 10 ай бұрын

So you're the Omega expert!

@FlossyBottoms 10 ай бұрын

Hell yeah. I just read through Knightfall, so I'm 100% down for a redo. Let's-Go-Back Issues!

@jarrodoakley6911 10 ай бұрын

I really just hate any Bendis book that focuses on more than one character

@johnnieriot13 10 ай бұрын

WHAT WAS THE SECOND THING?!

@ivansplvd6518 10 ай бұрын

This reminds me of Age of X-Man.... but you should do Age of X instead which is actually good Great episode as always! Thanks

@UntitledShowwithBobandPat 10 ай бұрын

Wasn’t there a retcon saying that that wasn’t the real Magneto pretending to be Xorn? But someone or something pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn?

@comicpop 10 ай бұрын

Are you asking or telling?

@UntitledShowwithBobandPat 9 ай бұрын

@@comicpop I assumed that having question marks would indicate that I was asking. I vaguely remember reading a scene where Magneto and Prof. X were talking, and Magneto was angry that people really thought that that was him. I want to say it was one of the 12+ X-Men comics right before House of M, but I don't remember which.

@PaulGonzalez-PhilOsyfee 10 ай бұрын

Force Worked.

@spencernaugle 10 ай бұрын

4:02 To "Simplify" Under the umbrella of Super Humans *Mutents* are Born with X gene that gives them powers. *Mutates* are born human and then have some Chemicals, Radiation, Cosmic Energy, or something else gives them powers. The third category that blurs the line between the 2 is having one human parent and one alien parent, so they have powers through genetics, but not the x gene. And to make everything more complicated Legally speaking, Super-Human vs Super(Human) Anyone that is beyond human capabilities, including aliens. vs A human who has transcended humanity, not including aliens.

@hanykhalil2264 10 ай бұрын

And then there is the inhumans and the eternals and the deviants and the elders of universes who are all their own little thing. I like it though that marvel has such variety in its heroic capabilities or settings. Just wish they would actually play with it more but in a good way and with more creativity.