i did a similar green screen rant for Cyberpunk's campaign here 👉 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qatjbMZ53tTck2w.htmlsi=He2AuRetJx7ggyYC
@Dantay-du3ez Жыл бұрын
Loved it
@eklips_16 Жыл бұрын
green screen rant=happy brain chemical release
@softlyraining2025 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, very much agree with a lot of your points (the pain is the shadow of joy line needed work though). However I can't fault bungie at all considering how horrible the community has treated the devs since like... forever. it's always been about how the new stuff is worse and all their content sucks. personal attacks and death threats even went to the devs. I just feel like giving us anything at this point that isn't just a cash grab is far more than the community deserves. The ViDoc comments were just disgusting honestly. Bungie gives more content than any other game I can think of and they are still attacked, not to mention the devs are super sweet and the team actually cares. sorry for the rant, the destiny team just deserves a nap
@GhostOfTheLore Жыл бұрын
It felt like one of your in a nutshell videos with a more serious tone.
@willemstander8400 Жыл бұрын
This is a masterpiece.
@Mediados Жыл бұрын
Cayde was funny when he could afford it, but took a situation seriously when he had to. Nimbus feels like a person who should definitely not be given any kind of responsibility, ever.
@Warriorcat_Youtube Жыл бұрын
It's quite surprising that they make the same mistake with Nimbus that they made with Red War Cayde, making him more jokes and nonsense than skill and nuance, at least until Forsaken, and then DOUBLED DOWN on the nonsense for Nimbus. As if they hadn't learned at all from Cayde.
@maiselph7456 Жыл бұрын
@@Warriorcat_KZfaq I've always seen Cayde fooling around during Red War (like his idea with the teleporter, which we actually ended up going with btw) more as desperation. Losing the Light hit him hard and he's trying to cover it up with forced jokes.
@Warriorcat_Youtube Жыл бұрын
@@maiselph7456 To look at it in universe, yes that would make sense. But ever since Red War released, it was obvious that they cranked up his funny guyness from the get-go because people loved it in Taken King. It wasn't nearly as bad as Nimbus, but it was certainly in the same vein.
@TehHuskeydood11 ай бұрын
i mean still had tons of cringey lines. Bungie wirtting is normally just bad.
@chloewebb55269 ай бұрын
He used humor the way most people do, when we're nervous, in defense, or to take our minds off something else. The saying "if you dont laugh, you'll cry" usually applies to the best comedians.
@100PercentJake Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, writing so bad it actually convinced Jez to read wiki articles. The writers should get an award.
@Timeforspas12 Жыл бұрын
No lie. His explanation of the campaign for dummies (this vid) cleared things up for me. Can't watch 2 hours long videos of lore from Byf, too complicated.
@Blanktester685 Жыл бұрын
@@Timeforspas12 all of his videos on lightfall are less then 30 minutes lmao
@Sauced_Egg Жыл бұрын
Wasn't even bad it's Was fucking amazing lightfall is the best
@Necromediancer Жыл бұрын
@@Sauced_Egg you obviously weren't even born during the time of D1
@Sauced_Egg Жыл бұрын
@Mirror Brain oh hell yeah I was man. I still remember getting ghorn from crota. I remember iron banner and queens wrath was in the tower
@nygomi8652 Жыл бұрын
My favorite part of Lightfall’s story was the Witness possessing our Ghost and our Guardian just standing around like a muppet looking like we forgot our lines in a play.
@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodc847511 ай бұрын
What's really funny about is that I guess what they were going for was that we are standing there because the only solution is to shoot/kill Ghost to stop him... OH BOY IF ONLY WE DID SOMETHING LIKE OH I DONT KNOW, SPEND AN ENTIRE STORYLINE MASTERING AN ABILITY REVOLVING AROUND TEMPORARILY FREEZING STUFF IN PLACE OR SUSPENDING PEOPLE WITH MYSTERIOUS MAGIC STRINGS
@BethesdaModder10 ай бұрын
And was about to shoot the Ghost with the frickin Khvostov I was like wtf 😅
@ghoulishgoober31225 ай бұрын
@@BethesdaModderthe whole needing to shoot at our ghost in the end was mostly shot in the foot by the fact they failed to give us a solid idea of what the witness even plans to do when the veil links with the traveler. Because of this it just looks like our guardian is randomly shooting our ghost, even if they're under possession. If we actually knew the significance of ghost flying up to the veil, we'd know the significance of having to shoot at our ghost. In the end this suddenly potentially drastic decision by our guardian is saved by the bell and the witness winning so we can spend 50 more bucks or whatever on the next dlc. The guardian had plenty of time to try and just grab them too, especially a hunter or titan with catapult lift. It seems to be nightfall was a bunch of solid ideas strung together without real thought for cohesion. Like they thought "we'll surprise them by making the guardian have to shoot ghost, but what if the witness actually succeeds too!" and then further deciding that combing both scenes into one would add more emotional value or something. Like maybe it would give a double sense of dismay. "Oh no, my ghost! Oh no, my traveler!"
@Grumpy11745 ай бұрын
Don't forget, we also spend the entire DLC learning how to move faster with Strand, just to stand still while our ghost floats away at walking speed
@zephyr80725 ай бұрын
The Guardian’s cutscene apathy truly surpasses the Warrior of Light’s from FF14.
@MexiCayde-6 Жыл бұрын
There's something everyone seems to have missed. Exo Stranger had one of those Neomuna ghost things, she probably didn't get it in our timeline (it's not impossible that she did) but since she has one it means she has been to Neomuna, and she never made mention that the entire city was there. Even if is was totally destroyed in the timeline she came from the idea that she knew there was the possibility it was there, which meant she should have told everyone about it and saved us so much trouble.
@lord_yukiko Жыл бұрын
Lightfall's preorder bonus lore book number 3 answers what you are asking I'm pretty sure. Dont remember exactly (she found it left behind somewhere else other than Neomuna) and I'm lazy, so I recommend looking it up and reading it. Alternatively, I think the Lore youtubers have made a video on it
@MexiCayde-6 Жыл бұрын
@Lord Yukiko that sounds like incredibly lazy writing. And since it was in a pre-order lore book and not the game itself, I say that's bs.
@Stoicbjj Жыл бұрын
@@MexiCayde-6it’s in the light fall expotics lore card
@MexiCayde-6 Жыл бұрын
@@Stoicbjj sounds like lazy writing to me
@BrianHamil Жыл бұрын
You do understand that any little action can have seriously dramatic effects on a timeline right? Even if she knew about Neomuna and the Veil, it doesn't mean she can tell us without damaging the timeline.
@justalittlewilde2006 Жыл бұрын
I feel betrayed. All this time watching Jez, I thought he was very surface level in his criticism. This is simultaneously the most eloquent critique of Lightfall and just a bunch of indecipherable chat speak. What the hell. I am super impressed! I enjoyed this a lot!
@Th3Jez Жыл бұрын
i GIGGLED at indecipherable chat speak lmao
@justalittlewilde2006 Жыл бұрын
@Th3Jez Glad I could give you a chuckle. It was a fair trade for such an amazing video. Love your stuff!
@HyPNoTiKx Жыл бұрын
I know it was alot of work to create but this video is 🔥🔥🔥 I hope to see more like it in the future
@Argonian0727 Жыл бұрын
The radial mast
@boringrays Жыл бұрын
@@justalittlewilde2006 we can shorten all that to "wow good job"
@businesscasualsauron Жыл бұрын
"Spoilers ahead for the worst story ever told." Painfully accurate.
@McDanklestank Жыл бұрын
I mean there Is vanilla D1
@joaorugeri9885 Жыл бұрын
And curse of osiris
@CoC_Lord Жыл бұрын
@@McDanklestank base d1 is close, it’s so funny how the black heart is a copy of the veil, when we have 0 idea what either do, and why either are important. Both are behind the worst stories in destiny😭
@recon5901 Жыл бұрын
@@McDanklestank red war is 100x better than this
@florianterreegen Жыл бұрын
@@recon5901 notice how he said vanilla d1 though not vanilla d2
@edwinflores326511 ай бұрын
I keep revisiting this video so often because out of all the critique videos I’ve seen about Lightfall’s campaign, yours is that absolute blend of Jez-brand humor I already enjoy along with such an in-depth understanding of what it lacked with criticism that is what it is. The fact that you actually had to read up on lore also warrants me pressing my wallet against my computer monitor and say “Pay him, he’s done his homework now” Thanks as always for the content as always Jez!
@KammaQwazi11 ай бұрын
I am on approximately my 20th watch of this video, it is absolutely spot on and fantastic.
@Th3Jez10 ай бұрын
wow this was very cool and generous of you, thanks edwin! so pumped you enjoyed the vid (multiple enjoy) 🤍
@inoob2610 ай бұрын
@@KammaQwazi currently on my 30th rewatch, can confirm it gets better after the first 20
@lukelaws35457 ай бұрын
I’ve added this video to my “yeah, I’d watch that again” downloaded playlist and watched it at least 10 times
@tev9827 Жыл бұрын
“The Vex are like ants… always up to something, but as long as they aren’t eroding the foundation of my house… I don’t need to hear about it.” One of the most accurate things I’ve ever heard
@GnuFrontiers Жыл бұрын
Please do this more, this is filling the nutshell sized hole in the channel, I love it
@manqobashongwe1301 Жыл бұрын
This expansion's story didn't deserve an 'in a nutshell' video. The one upside being that we got this masterpiece from Jez instead.
@cloberlobster2276 Жыл бұрын
@@manqobashongwe1301 because this dlc is just "The shell" 😂
@Darthma94 Жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly!
@TheAtomoh Жыл бұрын
@@cloberlobster2276 Imo the DLC is an 8-mission long tutorial for strand and teaser for The Final Shape.
@JUNIsLuke Жыл бұрын
My nut btw jez, very verry small But yes…. Please do more, maybe one comparing lightfall to witch queen or something like that :$
@businesscasualsauron Жыл бұрын
By the way, as an actual, professional writer with a degree in the dang thing, you've by and large levelled many of the same criticisms I had. Only you did it in a funny, entertaining way that I thoroughly enjoyed. Dangit Jez, stop hogging the talent!
@Th3Jez Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!
@businesscasualsauron Жыл бұрын
@@Th3Jez Anytime Jez! God bless, you're super cute.
@businesscasualsauron Жыл бұрын
@Femto Definitely agree with you there, but that only helps to further emphasise the bewildering mystery as to how we got such a rollercoaster of a tonal discrepancy between what we expected and what we got. It's genuinely astonishing to me how we went from consistently decent, functional stories with some standout moments to... This.
@RobertoArboleda Жыл бұрын
@Femto So, it's the old "New Coke" trick once again.
@ashb7 Жыл бұрын
@Femto What do you mean though, "it was all intentional"? They told a story badly on purpose? What do they gain from doing that? Were they angry they got a bit of praise for The Witch Queen's narrative? Of course they played it before shipping it, that doesn't mean there was time or resources to really do anything about it even if they all agreed it was a bad story. And it's not like the expansion is unplayable or broken, it just has a crap, filler story and bland characters. Literally no studio is gonna cancel or even delay a game/expansion launch if they think their story is disappointing.
@basedcow10 ай бұрын
I still think the calus aspect of the lightfall story should have revolved around his love for us, the guardian. He adores us, showers us with gifts, wants us to be his shadow and greatest champion. His story would have been amazing if they would have focused on how much he had lost in pursuit of his support of the darkness, and then when the witness tells him to kill us and betray his daughter, he realizes how he's too deep to back out and refuse. He makes his refusal but the witness controls his body and forces his to fight us, powerless to resist. We would end up killng him by the witness forcing our hand to do so, making calus both the bad guy and a martyr. It would have given him the tragic, anti hero story of a deeply flawed man trying desperately to pursue what he thought would make things better.
@stump31399 ай бұрын
That would’ve been beautiful
@AAnomoly7 ай бұрын
I like how a KZfaq commenter can make a better story than a team of "professional" writers at a multi-million corporation.
@adarkwind47127 ай бұрын
Except from the jump, he knew darkness and the witness planned to wipe out all life and he was all for it.
@loathbringer5 ай бұрын
But calus doesn’t actually care for us. Calus is selfish, that’s his entire thing
@baricode4 ай бұрын
@@loathbringer Yeah he doesn't truly care, but in the mind of a narcissist, the things he does is his way of showing he cares. OPs idea is honestly more in line with his character from what they tried to establish in the written stories, than whatever the Bungie writting team smoked when they decided to shaft his development into "old enemy returns again, oh no he's dead but maybe there was more to his story??"
@Commanderflynn Жыл бұрын
The idea of grappling the Ghost with strand at the end would...have totally been great. Hell they could have even made it so the Guardian tries to grapple them, but fails due to exhaustion or something if they really need The Veil to link with The Traveler. Would have made it so we did...SOMETHING.
@endorphinparametric4132 Жыл бұрын
This is brilliant. "Wrong tone; inefficient; not funny" is the best summary of the story. And the statement itself has the right tone, is super efficient, and leads to much funnies.
@jacobjabberwock Жыл бұрын
Easily one of the best videos you've made. To see you get so involved and invested in a story you've largely avoided for nine years is already incredible. For all the criticisms to be so well-explained and presented is just as good. But to take all that, and weave through it the consistently-top-notch humor you've honed over all this time? Nothing short of phenomenal. Amazing video, thank you so much for uploading!
@Th3Jez Жыл бұрын
wow wtf im crying in the club rn
@Erikai_ Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jez i jumped from Destiny 2 precisely because of the points you mentioned, the story was mostly told in the lore rather than the playable campaigns (or in limited time events WHICH SUCK) so i found it difficult to stay motivated and play, the icing on the cake was then removing my favourite raid (Leviathan my beloved) and also entire expansions??? it makes no sense and deterred me from spending anymore money on the game if said money would be taken away randomly. This was insightful and as a person who studied literature you hit the nail on the head. Thank you for all the work you do!
@Roudy421 Жыл бұрын
25:31 BOTW, a Skyrim background, well holding a Destiny lore book on a rant, a masterpiece of confusion.
@TheDanielKemper Жыл бұрын
I sincerely hope the writers at Bungie watch this video. This was like a creative writing class but with memespeak to ease the sting of actual criticism. Well done.
@terricloth Жыл бұрын
Agreed. The lore books, as demonstrated in the video, prove the team is capable. For that reason, I'd also add that the higher-ups should watch this as well. It's ultimately up to them to give their teams a cohesive and consistent vision to work towards. Absolutely fantastic video, Jez.
@immortal_shrooms6757 Жыл бұрын
I honestly dont understand this. How did we go back to D1 story missions, while the rest of the dev team (designers, lore) are consistently killing it. My only guess is that this is chopped up for strand because lightfall was supposed to be the finale, but they still had 2 years on the clock so they made final shape
@codafett Жыл бұрын
Even if they do, they won't learn anything
@penileshenanigans2613 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Lightfall broke Jez so hard he actually went back to understand the story
@zaccheusmckibbens7293 Жыл бұрын
Sounds like his own problem
@v4skunk739 Жыл бұрын
@@zaccheusmckibbens7293 Nah, the story is 100% shit. A joke.
@zaccheusmckibbens7293 Жыл бұрын
@@v4skunk739 thanks for sharing with the class
@taigaaisaka6305 Жыл бұрын
@@zaccheusmckibbens7293 Yeah, its his own problem that Bungie decided to told a forgettable and sh*t story. It's his own problem that Bungie decided to give the big bad guy that's been in the game from the start a laughable awful final. And it is his own problem that the only thing that makes said character something slightly more interested was tucked away in a lore book that 99% of the fanbase will never read, see and most likely didn't even know it existed. Truly, all of those things, are his own problem and not tells of how awful Bungie is at managing and writing their own game. Nope, not them,. It is the players problem for expecting good things. Seriously dude, go fk yourself.
@SlyRocko Жыл бұрын
Bungie really said "put all the additional dimensions of Calus into Season of the Haunted and lore books"
@jellyfilling78275 ай бұрын
Okay. So I'm not an idiot. I just thought I was immediately forgetting what the veil was immediately after being told 💀
@ItsSoutien Жыл бұрын
We have moved from surface-level monotone complainy guy, to a knowledgeable critism lore chad. Jez has shown more dynamic character progression in this video than the entire Lightfall campaign
@RosaNagashi Жыл бұрын
Jez, this is genuinely the best video I’ve ever seen from you. Your script is extremely well written, your critiques and analyses are genuinely profound, and the editing style is super engaging and funny. I know these videos take ages to make, but I really hope to see more like this at some point in the future. Well done!
@Th3Jez Жыл бұрын
very cool feedback thank you
@brudon5510 ай бұрын
It pains me that the "vanilla" campaign is not even a part of the game anymore
@Emarella Жыл бұрын
Had a friend who explained his issues with the newest expansion, so knowing that bit of background made this video even more of a delight. I giggled a lot, thank you.
@austincarnahan6584 Жыл бұрын
This is the most beautiful description of the campaign I've ever seen lol. Freaking perfect J3Z
@RafikiTheBaboon Жыл бұрын
It's been out for 5 mins and it's a 30 minute video.
@austincarnahan6584 Жыл бұрын
@@RafikiTheBaboon ik. But its funny af. I love it
@RafikiTheBaboon Жыл бұрын
@@austincarnahan6584 true
@jmourao Жыл бұрын
I don't know if "beautiful" is the right word, but I couldn't agree more. 😄
@Alcatraz760 Жыл бұрын
Damn, Jez actually managed to rewrite Nimbus' dialogue while keeping the cringe energy that Bungie intended without going overboard.
@davejohnson7383 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, he probably has more practice in that style of writing than all Bungie's writers put together.
@spacebunsarah Жыл бұрын
@@davejohnson7383 true, that’s probably not something their writers do very often. if I try to write those kinds of characters, it sounds like nimbus.
@izzyxblades Жыл бұрын
@@davejohnson7383 it's because their writing staff has been a constant rotating door of people arriving, writing one season, and then leaving
@COREcasual Жыл бұрын
The writers strike started early at bungie
@draecas Жыл бұрын
The fact Nimbus doesn't even get a meme photo on the wall of jerks not telling us shit is killing me lol
@christianglassel9950 Жыл бұрын
As a former English teacher, this made me proud. I genuinely didn't know Jez had this in him. Well said and the criticisms were on point.
@aidanjude2110 Жыл бұрын
For once jez not understanding the story is justified.
@RedShadowOfSaturn Жыл бұрын
Yeah, when the meme guy is so aggravated, he dips into the collector's edition lore for answers, ya done F'ed up.
@MoneyTalks1812 Жыл бұрын
This is the comment I was looking for.
@undead2481 Жыл бұрын
@@RedShadowOfSaturn Probably my favorite part in this whole review is him bringing up the lore book, cause I did the same thing to understand Destinys story better back in the day of D1. Destiny's lore is still solid even if I don't play it anymore
@allrequiredfields5 ай бұрын
It's been this way literally since the beginning. The whole everyone else around you knows what's going on but you and you're character is apparently uninterested in knowing what's actually going on. The story has been a fever dream from start to finish. It's Lost bullshit in video game form.
@arcana56253 ай бұрын
Honestly I started destiny about a month ago. I got thrown into this first mission randomly upon launch cause they like to do that, and despite having absolutely no context I could tell from the moment we reached Neptune that everything everyone was saying about how bad lightfall is was absolutely correct
@tgreaux50275 ай бұрын
I thought Callus screamed "Cannolies", I thought he was pining for pasteries.
@monkfishy6348 Жыл бұрын
Here's something I learned during my game dev days. They don't actually hire professional writers most of the time, because they think 'anyone can write'. If you want to get into game development as a professional writer you better also be able to program or something too because you won't ever get hired otherwise.
@returnedtomonkey8886 Жыл бұрын
I'll keep that in mind. Does this apply if you're animator as well?
@nicolasvanausdale990 Жыл бұрын
I mean this is true for some cases but, bungie has a whole load of positions that are specifically for lore world building and narrative writing, that are distinctly separate from programing
@gooddaytoyou5256 Жыл бұрын
@@nicolasvanausdale990well, it seems that they should fire all of them and hire someone who can keep the servers up instead
@lanzer22 Жыл бұрын
@@gooddaytoyou5256 After Witchqueen Bungie goes: "Writers, great job with the writing, now go work on our new game, our programmers will handle the story from here"... :)
@remydetrou734 Жыл бұрын
This seems super true in any medium except actual books. Every modern medium is written like a child with the runs
@veeraraghavanvijaianand3117 Жыл бұрын
Jez should do the voice-over for the recap cutscenes in destiny 2 from now on.
@Quasar-fv8to5 ай бұрын
I will never get over how absolutely ugly the NPC designs are for this expansion. Like, holy hell, I cringe every... single... time... I see one of the two chrome domes just from pure disgust at their designs.
@MrKnaives Жыл бұрын
One thing Bungee needs to do is let you play the whole campaign with the new subclass powers. It's annoying because the subclass you're probably using is better than the subclass you're forced to play for a few seconds.
@user-tn4dn7jp6j Жыл бұрын
They could've given the subclass with almost nothing unlocked and let the player reshape their subclass build as they go
@agathor2017 Жыл бұрын
Brohan: Hello, strand? Guardian: Strand broke Brohan: Understandable, I am going to die Rhombus: I need his core
@magadadaskolin4667 Жыл бұрын
The most wtf thing was me literally screaming "Dude Banshe-44 can get him a new body, give me the core" Like we literally have guy in a tower who was copy\pasted 44 times ffs
@BcDyxaLKgoNdgU Жыл бұрын
@@magadadaskolin4667 Adding on to that: THE SEASON JUST PRIOR WE MOVED A DUDE INTO A NEW BODY, AND THEN TOOK HIM OUT OF THAT BODY AND PUT SOMEONE ELSE INTO IT (also uhm akshully 🤓its the same mind but just with a lot of ctrl+A -> delete)
@williamtrombone0745 Жыл бұрын
Man, really well done on this one. Don't call yourself a bad writer because you wrote the hell out of that script and it shows. The point about a creator being able to transfer a feeling I feel like was built up through the whole video so the point really landed when you made it. Holy hell, it's almost like the creative process you engaged in had the effect you're describing!
@Mostimaschurchpope Жыл бұрын
Jez, this is your masterpiece, it's both funny and on point, it's coherent to all critisicsms the expansion received and it still feels like your vids. this must have been a hell of a job to do but I hope it pays off. hat's off to you
@josevalero354310 ай бұрын
Writing at BUNGIE is GARBAGE, I got the same feeling... how everything can be so beautiful in this game, (the arts) even the main LORE, and they can f... it up so well with the WORST characters ever and the worst lines of dialogue every single time with the peak of it with LIGHTFALL
@k4karnage Жыл бұрын
Jez, I haven't played Destiny in years and you're validating that decision. Thank you for your service and the giggles.
@imsentinelprime9279 Жыл бұрын
I haven't played since 2019
@exvex5108 Жыл бұрын
I haven't since 1984
@Neoniq41 Жыл бұрын
I haven't touched the game since I was born
@LusisNaturae44 Жыл бұрын
I haven't touched this game since I cut off my hands
@exvex5108 Жыл бұрын
@@LusisNaturae44 what about feet? or your 21st finger if you are a guy
@ademonslayer7130 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, the biggest misstep with Strand is that took a similar approach with its introduction as they did with Stasis. I think it worked with stasis because Beyond Light was primarily about Stasis, and the Pyramid on Europa was trying to tempt us to the darkness with Stasis, so it made sense to drip feed us. Lightfall didn't seem like it was supposed to be about Strand, it seemed like it was supposed to be about the Witness and the impending calamity, and yet basically most of the expansion was dedicated to us learning Strand, with Osiris and your ghost saying that it's a powerful tool to have so we need to learn it, but not specifying why it's really necessary to prioritise learning Strand now, over just using the extensive power we currently have to help defend the Veil and learn Strand later, until literally the mission where we need it to destroy the suppressor things that are immune to damage from all of our known powers, making Strand our "key" to victory, except we also don't need it for the final mission either so. Honestly if we had gotten the Strand subclass like half-way through the campaign, it would have been better, especially from a gameplay perspective, because we'd actually be able to build around it properly and incorporate it into our arsenal. Somehow in the expansion that championed loadouts as well as more accessible build-crafting, just didn't let us do that with Strand for the actual campaign, instead we get a demo version that is basically pointless to even use for many of the encounters on legendary difficulty because you don't have a build for it. Like the story isn't even THAT bad in a vacuum, it just feels like this is the kind of story for an expansion like Witch queen, where we're getting closer to the end of this big saga, but we're not a single expansion away. But as it stands, it's just disappointing. This is the expansion where some real answers needed to happen, and ultimately all we got were more questions.
@Goldleader469 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure there's a few sources that state directly that strand was meant for 'The Witch Queen' but for delayed development purposes was pushed back to lightfall. Strand was supposed to be found in the portals or whatever they were called. That's why the story feels so, wrong? That's the only way I can put it.
@ashb7 Жыл бұрын
@@Goldleader469 Yeah, there's evidence of that in Witch Queen itself, though we couldn't know about then cause we had no idea about Strand, lol. But looking back now it makes total sense. The aesthetic of Strand fits in perfectly with TWQ- insect/arachnid-based web powers when the antagonist is a giant moth. Like, the Warlock Strand super was supposed to turn us into a literal spider at some point in development. Strand deals with threads- the debuff Savathun hits us with to freeze us is called "Threadbound"; the buff we gain in the last mission before taking her down is called "Threadcutter". Story wise it would've made total sense- Savs steals the Light and its abilities, so we steal these Darkness powers from her realm in return and use it to beat her and the Hive Lightbearers. Activating Deepsight kinda comes out of nowhere- it would've made far more sense if Deepsight was tied to our new Strand powers. Speaking of Deepsight, probably the simplest and clearest indicator that Strand was tied to Deepsight- whenever you reveal stuff in the Throne World through Deepsight, you grow a third eye on your forehead. Guess which three subclass' supers also grant you a third eye on activation? These are only a few points off the top of my head, there's probably far more in-game linking the two. But at least to Bungie's credit they managed to tell a coherent and good story in TWQ and it never felt like a massive component was shifted out. Sadly Lightfall had to take the fall for that decision though.
@xxgamerlegendxx12805 ай бұрын
When i played on legend difficulty with my friends it felt like we were babysiting Osiris
@n0denz Жыл бұрын
Some other plot holes I noticed: >If Neptune wasn't transported to a different reality that the Witness couldn't find, then how did it stay hidden? Magnetic fields and clouds all operate within the domain of Newtonian physics. Are you telling me that a being who can command gravity as just one among many weapons in his paracausal arsenal couldn't find a planet? And if he knew where Neptune was, was he so stupid that he didn't think to take a small look? >Why do Cloud Striders exist if they haven't been needed since their civil war or whatever ended and they'd fought off the Vex? >How did the Vex find Neomuna? >Since the Neomuni have Mary Sue nanomachines (son) more powerful than SIVA and the technology and resources to upload people's consciousness to a virtual world, whey would they bother with human soldiers? >If Cloud Striders are such units that they can outmuscle stronger-than-SIVA nanomachines, why could they not repel Calus? Why could they not load an oil drum of nanomachines into a catapult and fire it at Calus' ship to give them their own SIVA crisis? >With the technology, energy, and infrastructure to upload a city's worth of consciousness to a virtual world, the Neomuni couldn't create longer-living Cloud Striders? Bungie has done their research in the past - even if it's just for technobabble. They should know just how massive a task it would be just to store a human mind in a digital format. LAZY WRITING >And thinking it necessary to make literal human sacrifices for the sake of safety, they didn't think to keep the Ishtar Collective's defense turrets on? >How did Neomuna's founders escape the Darkness during the Collapse? >If you just need chaotic magnetic fields to throw off a pyramid fleet, why not weaponize it at the very least? Clovis Bray had the technology to create singularities in the Golden Age, and gravity is much more complex than magnetism. >Does the Witness not regard the Vex as an asset? Just hack their sensors and use them as free scouts? Monitoring the Vex would have been an easy way to learn about Neptune - other than the fact that Neptune maintains a predictable orbit and whose location could be easily extrapolated therefrom. >And despite Neomuna's isolation, they still know about the warlords of Dark Age Earth, being able to monitor Earth without their own sensor equipment ever being sniffed out by the Witness, Cabal, any Fallen house, Ikora and the Hidden, and any of the very capable seers in the Reef. >I suppose the magnetic fields and clouds would guard against an assault from the Ascendant Plane. >Why does the Witness even bother with a fleet when he could instead use the power at his disposal to open a portal to the Ascendant Plane? >Why is Strand considered a force of Darkness when there is nothing about it that's thematically tied to Darkness? >Nimbus' speech about life force and rivers could easily apply to Arc or Solar Light. >Why does Strand only manifest on Neptune? >If the Veil is responsible, then that would make the Veil a conduit of Darkness, and who was it again that wears the Darkness like a cloak? >How'd Elsie get a Pouka? >What's the Pouka's connection to Strand? More to come as I think of them. Also, my guy, it looks like something is wrong with your legs.
@YTPrule Жыл бұрын
The saddest thing about Calus as a boss to me is the concept art. It was badass and had great ideas.
@Manwithoutplans Жыл бұрын
Same with nezerac…. That concept are was so cool.
@Warriorcat_Youtube Жыл бұрын
Even the Explicator of Worlds for RoN was cooler in concept
@bailey.545610 ай бұрын
Every time I saw calus with his new armor it just looked like he has two engine blocks on his shoulders
@JoshuaClarke Жыл бұрын
I could not have possibly put this any better myself. This video absolutely encompasses everything I felt about the campaign. I didn't even finish playing it myself and just watched someone else do the story instead. That, and the video is masterfully edited. 10/10 Jez.
@TheHamsterfist Жыл бұрын
I never finished Lightfall either. I don't even know if I will go back to Destiny 2. It was that bad.
@BoredPodcaster5 ай бұрын
Now I know why I found myself ignoring 95% of the dialogue for this story. It was so bad, that I subconsciously ignored it.
@kevinschretter60687 ай бұрын
"as an adult feeling stuff can be hard" is one of the most raw lines I have ever heard
@madamwinnifer4666 Жыл бұрын
"What is pain but the shadow of joy" is an absolute fire quote!
@pcuimac Жыл бұрын
Slaanesh said that!
@cashbanucita0025 Жыл бұрын
What is pain but the only way to heal
@jacobkarls7689 Жыл бұрын
This might be my favorite Jez video to date 😂😂 it’s got all the comedy all the cringe and it’s actually a very well written critique of a story and I did not see that coming 😂😂 kudos Jez and editing team this was great
@SulliedLight Жыл бұрын
*Narrator* Little does he know that this video was 100 percent jez he both wrote and edited this video (pinned comment it is noted )
@monsunoguy194 ай бұрын
I love how tye worst experience for Destiny players was the best Destiny experience I've ever had considering how boring I think the series is. They should take themselves less seriously more often.
@kky7346 Жыл бұрын
Despite having learned about strand, we couldn't learn how to use strand to fix the loose threads of the dumpster fire known as the Lightfall campaign
@jer103 Жыл бұрын
My personal opinion: Destiny 2 has a formula. It releases the vague unexplained expansion, then tells more of the story within the 10 weeks of the season. It makes people want to come back for more story. Just this time, Bungie didn't explain enough to hook people to care.
@anonymouscitizen3690 Жыл бұрын
but no one is coming back....soo i guess there plans not working cuz ppl are sick of spending money on half finished content
@Singlemethod4217 Жыл бұрын
Every DLC for both Destiny games have had potential but always fall flat. There could have been plenty of EPIC stories made in Destiny, but every time they flop the DLC and very sloppily close plot holes. Like the Stranger plot line/hole being solved/elaborated on from a plot point in 2014 all the way to 2020. Its bad writing to let a plot simmer for 6 years and 2 games
@thegodhimself5554 Жыл бұрын
Wtf are you guys talking about are yall stupid? Seriously d2 had some it's highest player counts literally halfway through the season
@carpathianhermit7228 Жыл бұрын
@@anonymouscitizen3690 finally sick after the same shit for almost 2 console generations. I pray for the collapse of AAA games. Otherwise we won't be playing games anymore, just consumerism simulators
@averageearthsurrenderenthu2576 Жыл бұрын
@@carpathianhermit7228 true. Too many consoomers nowadays praising and buying whatever their favorite company puts out, regardless of quality. Not to mention literal free PR and shilling. These fuckers' souls belong to these corporations. Talking to them it really seems as though they've been brainwashed. Companies have realized that they don't have to try anymore to make money.
@EspyMelly Жыл бұрын
If something is supposed to be a mystery, it has to be a mystery to everyone the player is interacting with, unless they have a reason not to explain. Otherwise it's like listening to two of your friends talking about some funny in joke and actively refusing to elaborate when you ask.
@SamSpade9035 ай бұрын
I’m convinced that whoever wrote the dialogue and story for that expansion probably wasn’t hired based on merit. That level of writing demonstrates a lack of sophistication typically exhibited by very new, teenage writers. It’s bad fan fiction that you feel gross/ secondhand embarrassment for listening, watching, or reading. Also, just because you get paid to write (“professional”) doesn’t mean your work is good at any level. Constructive criticism is perfectly valid regardless of whether you’re in the field or not
@TheEmeraldFlame Жыл бұрын
Your point about the irrelevance of lore when it comes to telling a coherent narrative was a masterpiece, my guy. Informative, thorough, and funny. I’ve sat university level writing lectures that were less polished than this. Slow claps all the way through from me. This is why you’re my favorite mountain in the Sudan.
@Blazer_491 Жыл бұрын
This was more profound than the entire campaign. Also yes I giggled, more than once. Thank you, Jez
@blacknoir6064 ай бұрын
I still can’t believe a cutscene of The Witness giving Callus a bath was in this atrocity.
@kenyizsu11 ай бұрын
I am an absolute lore maniac for certain games and franchises, YET I agree fully with the point at around 26:00. Make a good, full story first and foremost. The lore should be the icing on the cake, not the vital parts of it! Make it complete, goddamnit!
@gagevillere4741 Жыл бұрын
Ok, real talk: THIS is the review we've all truly wanted. Sarcasm, humor, and truth. No whining, no confusion, no telling me the raid contest needs to be tuned to streamers.
@dadankengine4661 Жыл бұрын
Lightfall’s story is like if in Witch Queen we never found out how Savathun got the light and we just killed her with no answers. I was really expecting us to be forced to revive Savathun in order for her to tell us what the Veil actually was. But nope.
@mobiuscoreindustries Жыл бұрын
To be honest we absolutely are going to get there at some point. Again the main issue isn't that the veil isn't explained, since it is clear they needed to add an uncovering time period to justify the split between lightfall and final shape. However the issue is everyone in the campaign acts like they know and THEN talk that they do not know shit and actually need to figure it out. The story would have been still mid but it would have been far better if we were simply forced to react to the witness, knowing he was suddenly going for something on Neptune but neither know what or where. Osiris could have had a hint that it was something important linked to the paracausal, and the cloud striders obviously would not take this lying down. But having everyone seemingly know what the veil is yet never acting upon that knowledge is just infuriating
@Twistedjre007 Жыл бұрын
Dear Jez, This video, without a single doubt, is the closest you have been to perfection. While I truly love and appreciate your vids, this is the best thing you've ever done. All the work you put into this shows, and I'd like to see more of these kinds of videos. You're the best!!
@chrislaws47857 ай бұрын
Can we ALL AGREE that Bungie constantly DELETING OLDER CONTENT from previous DLC, but yet STILL having the audacity to NOT make them FREE AND INCLUDED IN FUTURE BUNDLES the absolutely BIGGEST SCAM EVER!!! They have the NERVE to still demand MONEY for the Forsaken DLC, even though the ENTIRE campaign and dungeons have been deleted. Its the MAIN reason I will NOT be returning to Destiny until they do. If you wanted to buy all the DLC, including the new one coming out, it would cost a new or returning player over $200!!!!!! When it SHOULD only cost you about $60 or $70 for a Light fall bundle that includes ALL PREVIOUS DLC CONTENT.
@PROTOBLUES9011 ай бұрын
As crap as the story was, hearing Osiris say “Oh.. right..” genuinely hurt. Bungie needs to let him take one of them home
@TheofficialJakeIrvin Жыл бұрын
In almost 4 years I’m watching jez, I actually forgot that he had a brain and was capable of deep analysis and not just being taken care of by Datto.
@majones1175 ай бұрын
Nimbus really sounds like someone said "what if he like had the quips of Tony Stark with no ability to read the room or character development?"
@KironX15 ай бұрын
Uhm what story? I tried to play the game and found no story. Here’s an example. “We thought we couldn’t die, until we did.” “This is the end of the beginning” “it has only just begun” “this is the beginning of the end” like wtf are people smoking thinking there’s any coherent story inside the game you play here?
@christopherrowles7673 Жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved every bit of this actually. You of all people going balls deep into the lore to figure out literally ANYTHING that's going on is both impressive that you did it, and depressing that you had to. This is unironically some of if not damn near your best work, and I already love your content, rants, etc etc. PLEASE more of this 69420/10
@sirgoreth9176 Жыл бұрын
of all numbers, why out of 10?
@captaintoet1983 Жыл бұрын
@@sirgoreth9176because he can??????
@friendlyelites Жыл бұрын
Something i want to say about 20:05, what you're describing is making an Exo but the people on Neomuna can't make Exos even though they have Vex because they don't have the Veiled statue in the Deep Stone Crypt, that's actually why they thought Exos were extinct
@MissGreenTeaLady11 ай бұрын
The worst story Bungie ever told...so far
@Disconnis11 ай бұрын
RIGHT??!?😂
@acrios908 ай бұрын
I am pretty sure the problem of "Shooting good but what even is going on" has existed for years, the second they started removing story and phasing out old content. that is what ultimately got me to stop playing. tbh, the Witness as a villain got me to pick it up again because I love the mystery surrounding this almost godlike character and wanna know more about them. the scene where they reality stoned the guardian in the ship was honestly chilling. I really wish destiny just left all of the story in missions in the game for new players to experience.
@jvinny5213 Жыл бұрын
Jez, I know you might not see this but I would like to say, you are a very funny guy and your usual videos are great and I always love watching them, but the way that you combine a serious tone and a humorous tone in this video, is almost magical. I truly believe that this is one of the single best videos you've ever put up on your channel, hard work truly does pay off. Keep up the great work Jez!!
@Th3Jez Жыл бұрын
thanks so much vinny
@__The_Real_V__ Жыл бұрын
You've been witnessed!
@thechosenchickan8516 Жыл бұрын
200% Agree, fantastic video dude.
@owenrohde4652 Жыл бұрын
This is the closest we’ve gotten to monotone complainy guy and I love it, do these more
@callyg76965 ай бұрын
The whole "the traveller is gone" shit after the end was pathetic to me. We fought 8 years killing off gods and baddies to stop them taking or killing the traveller and it was a huge deal every time. Now it's all "oooooohwell the travellers dead, let's not be too upset". Stupid dlc the worst yet
@DumAzzFairy7 ай бұрын
The history of everything EGG refrence is peak
@vermillio1789 Жыл бұрын
This video tells a better story than the campaign, Jez should be in charge of the next expansions narrative
@wigxu Жыл бұрын
Couldn't have said it better myself. What a wasted opportunity Lightfall was. I'm still grieving. Great vid though bud - had a lot of laughs :)
@Mythraen Жыл бұрын
He wrote a 30+ minute script. I really hope if you could have said it better yourself, it would have at least taken you a while.
@jfmg6411 ай бұрын
That's why I'll wait to The Final Shape to come out and see people reaction too it first. I will not buy Eclipse until then because MAYBE it will be discounted like the other expansion had before (at least for a week).
@purplehaze2358 Жыл бұрын
I was genuinely bracing for absolute horror knowing how this expansion's narrative was so bad that even casual Destiny fans who could not care less about story lampooned it - a feat not matched by any of the previous expansions, most of which are themselves black holes of narrative quality. It's good to see that, even knowing that, I _still_ underestimated how bad the writing would be.
@krishonk77545 ай бұрын
"The campaign is the story you actually told; the lore is the story you could have." Thank you for summarizing my problem with Destiny's writing so well.
@124Nightwing Жыл бұрын
Jez helped me understand Lightfall’s story better than me playing through it three times. I was worried I was just stupid, turns out it’s also shitty writing lol.
@11Survivor Жыл бұрын
You played through it thrice, so stupidity cannot be excluded
@mega_lapras6047 Жыл бұрын
@@11Survivor he needed strand on all three classes i assume
@-Monad- Жыл бұрын
@@mega_lapras6047 "needed"
@124Nightwing Жыл бұрын
@@11Survivor That definitely cannot be excluded, lol.
@ReefShark-ts8up Жыл бұрын
Jez, this was fantastic. PLEASE DO THE OTHER CAMPAIGNS! I absolutely loved this.
@yuckydeadgirl Жыл бұрын
THAT'S the issue with Lightfall, it is not the big expansion meant to signify a huge change in how the world works but it does not even adhere to its title. Lightfall felt like a seasonal quest more than a coherent expansion
@zephyr80725 ай бұрын
“The part where Leia is an ice wizard.” You made the sequels sound far more awesome than the are, sir.
@iunnor Жыл бұрын
I love how they say “We just lost” after they all just stood there and watched passively for like an hour.
@spacebunsarah Жыл бұрын
One of the things that makes this really work is that you made a very cohesive, complete and high quality video. You didn’t just say what they did wrong but you demonstrated what they should have done by putting out a complete and high quality product in your own medium. That’s cool as fuck. And you absolutely made me feel something - admiration, and pride for being part of a really passionate community.
@onewanderingbee Жыл бұрын
You know, I had no idea you did this sort of analysis. I only ever happen to catch your general videos, which are funny gameplay compilations. This shit was funny and well put together. Good job.
@Jared-Jones5 ай бұрын
I love how the second to last mission is a tutorial for the subclass you mastered in every mission before it. The pacing for this DLC was god awful, almost as bad as the writing💀
@CombativeMedic Жыл бұрын
It's really something that Jez has better writing and story comprehension skills for Destiny's story than the *flipping hired "professionals"* at Bungie! Honestly, you asked good questions and pointed out good plot holes. Only thing I'm still wondering is if Nimbus's ribs are meant to look broken.
@cmdrriotz5283 Жыл бұрын
Great summary of the Absurd campaign. I also feel like the veil looks very similar to some of the circular stuff you see in the Dreaming City.
@hallowjupiter63052 ай бұрын
I'm so glad you spent that time talking about the 2nd ghost possession. That pissed me off SO MUCH in the moment. Despite close to a decade of our guardian being the best/strongest, we see our ghost, clearly acting possessed, and do LITERALLY NOTHING to stop it until it's too late, despite having 2-3 business days to actually do something
@LotusReal2 ай бұрын
The thing about destiny is that the consistent poofing of random character and important events into the story makes me not give a shit at all, it seems whatever information we are told can simply be changed on a whim and whole societies and civs with decades of history supposedly can be poofed into existance.
@eyeONE_Official Жыл бұрын
1:16 killed me completely!!! "This is office window shot number 1. From the guy in charge of everything - it's pretty high up there. He seems very invested in how these events play out and he will definitely leave that room for at least once." xD
@proudlarry8225 Жыл бұрын
100% on the Osiris and Nimbus critiques, and they REALLY should have put all the interaction between Nimbus and Osiris during the post-campaign quest to acquire Deterministic Chaos into the damn story missions because it is literally the only time Nimbus is understandable and Osiris is appropriately mentor-like for this expansion thus far but it's a damn optional sidequest for a weapon after the story bits.
@eyjay150810 ай бұрын
In light of the recent news its intresting to think that this expansion may well have quite literally killed destiny.
@blueshit1997 ай бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree about lore, I still cannot believe how many fans use lore as an excuse for bad storytelling and writing, and that goes for a lot of modern franchises
@xXx_Regulus_xXx4 ай бұрын
I was one of the "oh but the lore" guys for a long time, but it basically never matters in the onscreen story. At this point even stuff that happened onscreen doesn't matter sometimes.
@Juno_Arelius Жыл бұрын
This is honestly one of my favorite jez videos I’ve seen. I love the regular, light hearted, enjoyable type of content but watching him actually delve into the lore and supporting stories makes me giddy
@FrostSylph Жыл бұрын
I love the use of halo music in it, since it reminded me that the entire neomuna story has been done before, and better by bungie with halo ODST. Like the entire thing is already giving massive ODST homage vibes from the neomunan asthetic to the fact that you drop pod into the city, and that game had amazing tone.
@helygg88925 ай бұрын
Destiny is like when you come up with a great idea for a meal then realize you only have about half the ingredients but try pushing through anyway only to end up witn an unsatisfying half assed mess
@AsuraComplains Жыл бұрын
What's really fucked about this is that in all 3 of my playthroughs, I never got the cutscene where Nimbus goes "I'm full of fury, she's got an army, and you have green magic strings." This video is like the 2nd video I have seen it in, because this DLC was so scuffed it was possible to miss a cutscene during 3 playthroughs...
@d3athandr3birth69 Жыл бұрын
This is 100% deserved by the campaign. I'm honestly glad you didn't do this as a nutshell video because nutshell videos deserve better material to be based off of.