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I feel like I'm in college and your the professor teaching history of of train's and with all the history thanks professor y'all are awesome I always look forward to watching your videos. Have a great day 😎

Thank you from every rail fan in the world for your excellent coverage of the old Sacramento shops. This project has been secreted away from the public eyes for decades. And now, we can see what has been done and what needs to be done to finish this world class railroad extravaganza.

What a wealth of railroad history. As money comes in more of these artifacts can see completion. I love all these old engines. My heart leapt with the Southern Pacific X6051. These old diesels have always been a favorite. I remember climbing the bridge girders of the Rock Island line behind our house and watching the F7s' fly threw. Young and crazy.

Thanks for taking as along on your visit. The Railroads played a significant part in the development of California and still help drive California’s economic engine.

My first visit to the California Railroad Museum was in 1982, in 4th grade & my favorite display was the hobo sitting by a campfire. You’d pick up one of three heavy black phones and he’d tell a story about hoboing in the Depression Era. The museum moved him to a boxcar but he sat, pinched stogie in hand, next to his campfire for 20 years. He was keeping vigil in the hobo jungle as recently as 2004. I’ve searched high n low online for a picture of that vignette.

Another great video! Although some of this footage weren't yours it was still awesome to see the old trains. I really liked the old odd-ducks. Thanks again for another great video. Looking forward to the next episode.

Great video! I really enjoyed seeing all that extra ""stuff" they have tucked away out of sight. (That UP 0-6-0 was also hauling trains when I was there in 1990.)

The Amtrak locomotive is F40PH 281. It's one of the survived F40PH locomotives.

Had the opportunity to visit those shops some years ago with a friend working on some equipment there. I had free rein to wander at my leisure for several hours while he was busy. Fascinating place filled with all sorts of really spectacular artifacts and interesting industrial architecture. Glad Sacto and CA are finally getting their act together and preserving these historical treasures instead of tearing them down to build yet another sports arena, as was discussed in the past. The concept drawings look awesome.

This place has so much inspiration for me and I could just never leave it at all.

You and your wife provide charming and informative dialogue along with great video. I feel like we’re in the same room - chatting. Thank you.

AWESOME NICE VIDEO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SHARING THIS SCREWING AROUND TIME WITH YOUR SUBSCRIBERS ALWAYS INFORMATIVE AND INTERESTING THANK YOU BOTH AGAIN JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👍👌😷😷😁🚂🚂

i liked the dump song when my kids were growing up i used to tell them get in the truck for todays adventure of course they would ask where are we going ? i said it’s a surprise but you can eat whatever you want and grab any clothes you want mom course they eventually would catch on and sa Dad we don’t want to go to the dump today i’ve also always noticed that most railroad buildings of yesteryear were built with very artistic exteriors especially in their brick work and doors

i used to work in thoose shops

The AT&SF 1010 was one of the engines that pulled Death Valley Scotties coyote special. Santa Fe kept it at the Redondo junction round house in L. A. for years before it was donated.

FYI as a former Docent at the CSRR WE used the 4466 for a great many years. She is coal fired and hand fed. A 1929 Baldwin we would burn an average of 1 ton of coal per day. My wife was a fireman and I was a conductor. The reason it had to be retired was that it had so may miles and hours on it that it is basically shot. It will need re-tubed due to its age. The Granite Rock #10 should have come out of the shops sooner but sadly the person that was in charge of taking it apart actually forgot how to put it back together and he was also overwhelmed by the amount of equipment there was to maintain. Most of the Docents that worked in the shops are also volunteers but we also have a fair amount of railroad experience as well as how to use the heavy equipment. All equipment that you see on display IS functional as we took the time to competently restore every square inch. Sadly though there is equipment that will never be seen again. At one time we did have an example of every single SF engine that was ever built. They were stored outside behind the shops. There came a time when we were finally going to get them restored and actually start using some of them. Sadly though when we went to start retrieving them out of the yard we discovered that thief's had gotten to them (though there was security from SP is was much less than perfect to say the least) The thieves had removed every piece of copper in every engine EVEN THE HUGE RADIATORS!!! (we never did figure out how the hell they got them out of the engines and moved to the salvage yard as it is not like a few bolts and you remove your car radiator these things weighed hundreds of pounds each! ) And the local salvage yard bought them (without even questioning where they came from or so they claimed to the City of Sacramento Police and the SP police) and scrapped the metal. It was such a huge scandal with all of us having to account for our whereabouts and contact with the known thieves (yes they were finally caught but by then it was to late) that Santa Fe was furious since we guaranteed the safety of the equipment that they came and took it all back. There was so much wonderful units we could have built an entire museum around all of it alone. Also it should be noted that in the early days of the SP (the spill and pollute as we called them) they would run out of scrap yards to take the equipment and would actually just bury it in the yards. For anyone that wondered why it took so long to clean up the SP yard so they could build on it ---well it was because so many engines were buried it took years to find all the locations and clean up the ground from metals and chemicals (part of the reason we used to call the SP lines the Spill and Pollute), So that is a short history of the SP rail yards and what went on and yes we did all the work in house none of it is ever farmed out. Hope that answers some questions, David Vincent former Docent for the CSRR

I feel honored you posted this super double secret video of one of my favorite train museums. Assuming my health will allow I plan to attend the grand openings of the museum expansion. I love trips to Californiz as the weather is usually so nice.

ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO AWESOME INFORMATION AND THOUGHTS AND COMMENTS VERY ENTERTAINING I ENJOYED WATCHING IT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS WITH YOUR SUBSCRIBERS. I LIKE AND ENJOY YOUR SCREWING AROUND TIME THAT YOU BRING US ALONG FOR THE RIDE I APPRECIATE IT AND BOTH OF YOU THANK YOU AGAIN JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA 👌😷👍👍👍👍👌👌🚂🚂🚂

The Nevada Copper Belt 21 belonged to Mr. Richard Reynolds who had been passenger service director for Western Pacific. He had the car at Sierra Railroad in the 1970's. I got to ride it from Jamestown to Oakdale and return.

Cool stuff I'll need to come back to see the new museum when it's done. When I retire in a few years I want to just travel like you two are doing to different railroad destinations. Fun stuff

The JW BOWKER was bought and used as a switcher. The CP HUNTINGTON No. 1(4) a 4-2-4 was too light, had too little tractive effort, to pull cars over the mountains so was relegated to local work around Sacramento and inspection work.

i GET TO GO TO OLD SACRAMENTO OFTEN AND LIKE ALL THE CHANGES COMING TO THE AREA. THANKS FOR SHARING!

Fabulous! Another great video.

Thanks Dale and Karyn! My! Don't you two have fun! Thank you for all you're doing. We love your work, and appreciate all the effort you put in each week, so faithfully! Hope you have fun doing it! God bless!

My dad fought the development of Fort Union, Utah. The big developers hounded an old couple in their 90s for years and finally got what they wanted after the husband died. They tore down the only remaining pioneer home and tore out the foundation of the fort. We were trying to turn it into a park but lost in the end. The developer built a recreation of the old house out of cinder blocks in the parking lot. The original site is now a suit store and Walmart, like we need more of those. History will be lost if enough people don't fight for it.

Am I glad you posted this! The last time I was driving along The 5, I thought all of the old buildings were being torn down. Thanks be to the god of railroading that they are going to be preserved. I grew up nearby in Fair Oaks and we had to travel by the old shops when the entire facility was still there and operational. "Dad! Slow down!" Now, I won't tell a sole you showed the interior shots. Not a sole! Promise.

Thank you for your reply and valued information.

As much as people go on about the "secret collection" hidden away in there, honestly I just wanna go there to see the SP shops themselves, this has to be one of the largest locomotive facilities left in North America, it dwarves just about every surviving engine shop in other collections, with just a few very notable exceptions like the PRR's Altoona works. Not only is it huge but it's incredible just how much of the facility is left... For all intents and purposes it's the same facility today as it was when SP's 4-8-8-2s and 2-10-2s called it home. It may just be the single most complete steam era major locomotive backshop complex left, even if some other shops are bigger or more famous many have had serious work done since the steam era, UP's Cheyenne shops for example weren't even nearly this big and they're basically completely gone except for a tiny fragment used by the steam program. it's quite literally a shadow of it's former self(like as in you can still see the old foundations where the rest of it used to be) Thank you guys for sharing your experiences and knowledge exploring this amazing and historic facility... Unfortunate you couldn't share photos, especially considering now I wanna see it even MORE knowing you CAN'T show me. This has to be the ultimate place for screwing around west of the Mississippi.

I love how you did a workaround on their stupid rules. Love the videos and am glad you share these great destinations with us.

I love the California State Railroad Museum! I've been there before.

I remember going to the pier with my grandpa this past august and watching the switcher diesel prepare the morning train. The steam locomotive was currently in the workshop and the diesel was doing the excursions. The driver was actually nice enough to let my grandpa and I ride in the cab. We also went inside the shed right next to the pier and got to see the engines stored within that aswell.

This is fantastic love your tours on here i someday must get out to see this.

I love you guys & gals 😂channel! You two are such a beautiful, inspiring and amazing couple.Thank you for your amazing content 👍

I actually got to visit the california state railroad museum back in April 2014 when i was visiting my cousin who recently moved there in late 2013. I remember that day i was too excited and threw up because of all the excitement. Don't judge me I've my behavior has changed completely the last few years and no longer act like my dumb 12 year old self. Anyway i actually didn't know this til a few months ago but after looking at some photos from my visit there were 3 steam locomotives in them i had no idea i saw. I was 12 years old my memory of that isnt that great. Anyway the locomotives were southern pacific 2467, union pacifc 4466 which was in a different position than where it was during this video was recorded and cab forward 4294 that i did remember seeing but nearly forgot i saw it but glad i did and even got to go inside its cab as well. Hopefully I'll make another visit someday and i can see granite rock 10 since during my visit it was going through an overhaul that was a year away from completion and i hope i can see it operating with my own eyes since Im planning on seeing 4014 when its in California this week. I originally was planning on chasing it for the excursion it'll be doing but the route it's going on is the same route that my family takes to palm springs where my mom's family lives and since my dad won't be able to be with me since he'll be on his way to baltimore, Maryland for a business trip wnd and that my mom thinks that we shouldn't drive 2 hours to chase it i had to think of another plan and i couldn't buy a ticket either since most were too expensive and the lowest was 350 and that i didn't have that much money in my wallet. But i do plan on seeing it when its on display this Friday but unfortunately the only info i could find for that day's display location is at the greater los Angeles area and i have no idea where the hell that is. But I'm crossing my fingers and have hope I'll get a chance to see 4014 myself and maybe if I'm lucky run into ed dickens. I'm pretty sure the part with ed dickens proably might happen but i still hope i can see 4014 when its in California. Hopefully both of theses things will happen but for now all i can do is wait

Fascinating!

Aaaahhhh! We have some kind of phantom at 3:33!!!! The velvet rope is suspended without the aid of a support post! How did we miss that? The camera doesn't lie!!

Toyman great to video love the behind the seens videos

So happy to hear they're finally working on that new museum, I can't until its finished, I'm a huge rail enthusiast

CP 1903 (233) and others like it were built to run on the original commute trains on the San Francisco peninsula . They were run as double end locomotives that didn't need to be turned hence their odd appearance.

Another fantastic video from you guys! Love your format and love your content! Such great stuff you bring to the table! Thank You for all you do!

We rode on the 4466 a few years ago going out of town!

Most impressive, thanks for the video

Once again you guys hit outta of the park! Awesome episode! Thank you!

Yea 4466 is waiting to be restored a member told me the last time I was there but there we haft to wAit a long time 👍

Oh, BTW. I loved the first ten seconds of the introduction. I had a nice chuckle.

The AT&SF 1010 was one of the locomotives that pulled Death Valley Scotty's Special.

Retoration is usually a coat of paint. Rebuilding it operational otherwise it is rusting junk

You can see 4466 in some clips of Last Of The Giants, for those who don't know.

Awesome video! I really enjoy your trips and this one was exceptional! No one has really covered the western leg of the intercontinental railway. As an easterner, the big elephant in the room that everyone coos over is the Union Pacific. They get the bragging rights that they are the biggest and almost oldest railroad in our nation. Thankfully, that title I believe goes to CSX aka the Chessy System aka the C&O aka the B&O or Baltimore and Ohio railroad. An interesting side note to that is it all came into existence when Andrew Jackson was the POTUS and he left office after his second term riding out on the new railroad. In 1828 he rode to Washington on horseback. No one has covered the route of the Western Pacific, or where it started by who it was started? You put an interesting spin on how the Historical Society early on sought to preserve history as opposed to tearing down and burying it. There are some scary times moving all of that rock, working long days, dodging accidents. I have an image from an old book that shows how they made those cuts across mountains that they didn't tunnel though. They would cut in a V shape and they hung baskets over the sides of the cliff with people(Chinese-Americans) with hammer and chisel they would bust it away or make holes for Dynamite or Nitroglycerin for a big boom! Do you think some of those times they might premature explosion? That would be scary. I hope you get to feeling better with your hip. If it's any consolation the lead singer for KISS Paul Stanley has had several hip replacements. Think about 47 years in stack heeled shoes night after night is going to do a number on your joints. I don't have the hips going yet, My downfall is my knees. The left knee is bone on bone with no cartilage and it's forcing me to shift my weight to the right knee causing it to wear down as well. Again I hope you get to feeling better you're a tough wolfman on a stick for walking up the trail to the tunnels at the top of the summit that was awesome.

The McDermot Pacific in the opening scene has never been steamed. Al Smith, who acquired as much of the Overfair equipment as he could, donated it.

Incredible

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but, ATSF 1010 is a real candidate for an operational restoration. Despite it's outwardly rough looks, it's been well preserved. I was talking talking with one of the volunteers and he said you could basically pump it with compressed air and run it the shops on it's own power. Time will tell.

Just to clarify, the Niles Canyon Railway operates on the old Southern Pacific line through Niles Canyon. Not the WP. UP currently operates the old WP line through the canyon. The SP line was part of the original transcontinental line when it went west of Sacramento.

SP 6819, SD45T-2R, rebuilt in the 70s/80s in SP's own Sacramento shops, and is the last SP tunnel motor left in the old lettering (i.e. not speedlettering).

4466 ran until 1999 when the state of California passed a law that banned running coal fired steam locomotives

Awesome video toy man :)

One day you guys oughta visit the Museum of Transportation in St Louis Missouri, they have alot of old trains and Big Boy 4006 is on display there

Anything union pacific is great to look at or watch going down the track

That's going to be an incredible place

Wow! Really awesome railroad history... New Mexico's 2926's sister engine was or is there on display... They are 2 of the 7 surviving santa fe big boys... My Grandfather before he passed had somehow got a hold of a old ATSF stool that you would use to step into the train..

Great video this week, thanks alot.

You have to visit Travel Town Museum 5200 Zoo Drive Los Angeles, if you love trains they have a beautiful collection of trains. Great place a real Gem.

I would love to see the old shops as they were. They are part of the history. I would hate to see them turned into a restaurant, for instance.

They have a limited budget at the Nile's railway and what actually happened was when they got that locomotive paid a substantial amount of money there was a fund raiser actually held and the amount was not even a drop in the bucket as to the several million dollars was going to take to restore the locomotive for active service and it was one of a handful that they purchased for restoration and at that point the decision was made that funding was needed and it wasn't something they could do in the time Allotted so it was then donated to the state railroad museum

It sounds like that woman is hearing this information for the first time. The forced comments and exclamations are not well suited. Your efforts to bring this to the general public is great and gratefully received. It that woman totally ignorant of what is going on? Does she go with you at all or have absolutely no clue about the RR history? Thank you for your extensive tour - via other photos of the museum. Nice to see the preservation but certainly better - restoration to operational standards,.

Welcome to our museum but you cant see or touch any of it! I hope they do open it up to the public that's the way it should be!

Lots of history in the shops. I saw the shops back in 1977. Long story someday. I saw The Yerrington(?)when she was at Rio Vista. I Some of the issues are museums don't want people to see stuff that look like eyesores. It is very hard to think of something worth saving after its been sitting outside in the elements for 50 or 60 years. There maybe other issues involved with some of the collection as well. It good to see an F40 in a museum collection. Did you remember AHM made an HO model of the JW Bowker? One of the issues that the State Museum had to deal with, and now the developer of the site is environmental. The old SP shops had considerable ground contamination. If I remember correctly I think the museum found a developer who would do the environmental remediation in exchange for being able to redevelop the rest of the site. Also did anyone see or hear about the locomotives found off New Jersey underwater a few years ago? They kind of had the same dimensions as the 4-2-0(at least that is what came to mind) Thx again

I wish I got the photos of the big boy before they took it away from PomonaDefinitely sad to see it go but amazing that it’s working nowI wish I could’ve helped and restore some of the engine being there such a successful railroad

The backshops at Sacramento were closed as Union Pacific Railroad took over. The property was slated for development for commerce and housing. The resulting EPA was a DISASTER. Union Pacific was faced with 2 huge projected profit driven properties. The Bayshore yard in South San Francisco proved to be as much as a nightmare as Sacramento. Union Pacific subsequently ended up donating both properties in the face of not just HUGE clean up costs to go foreward with the construction plans but the State of California in essence told U P they HAD to clean it up whether or not they went ahead with ATTEMPTED construction costs. Hence the DONATIONS of properties.....for which I for one am happy with!! OLE' Uncle Pete lost that one!!!!

G'day, Toy Man, and Karyn! Enjoyed the video! You guys, really cracked me up! What an awesome sense of humour! By the way, I just remembered this joke: "Where does the 'Lone Ranger' take his trash?" "To the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump." Plus! You know... Humpty Dumpty had a great fall - and a pretty good spring, and summer, too! Lol! 🤣 Thank you! Cheers! 😊✌🏼🚂❤️

Yes and yes to your comment they have a restoration shop that they do restore injuns not just for California but for a number of other heritage facilities that run a old steam lying at roots and they are Ashley paid some mount of money by these nonprofits to restore these agents a most of the labor is voluntary and the money is to of course pay for the hardware and the materials that are all custom made sort of the few engines that they've actually been able to restore it takes anywhere from 12 to 18 months to restore a steam engine from what they get it to its original condition

Wow! Great video guys!!!!!

Being from somewhere outside California you're not aware of the regulations they placed on the state railroad museum The amount of money required to ship and store all of these vintage steam engines and everything it had they have accumulated it's been piling up and the insurance required by the state has been astronomical and only recently did they finally acquire the funding necessary Q guarantee the insurer of so that they can open up the old facility building that's basically been converted into a big storage facility and it's taken quite a bit of years actually to achieve this they are a non profit and there has been a big push to display everything if they have and this is the 1st time I think that they will actually finally be able to accomplish that

Hey i found out when I was at the train museum that their trying to get money to restore 4466 🚂

Oh to answer your question about Union Pacific 4466 the locomotive retired from Operation in 1999. It was due to emissions regulations in California which banned the operation of coal-fired steam locomotives in the state

And why would any museum keep it's collection hidden away from the public? Once again so strange for a museum to operate that way!

4466 has been decommissioned and in the shops for decades now. I think it had a boiler issue so they stopped running it. Don't know why it isn't fixed yet though.

I live near Sacramento and I always thought as a kid ya it's a nice museum but it wont and cant compare to museums in big cities but now that I'm an adult I'm amazed at how great of a collection and museum it is. I gotta ask, in the back lots, was there any trolley or horse car things (I assume there was a horse trolley in the old days of Sacramento)

The unfortunate tale of 4466 is that it would absolutely be operational if California didn't ban use of Coal fire, and it has a design that doesn't allow for oil conversion

At 16:14, there is a car named #21. Honestly, it looks to be part of an Interurban line, possibly of the Sacramento Northern? I can't find anything anywhere of #21, regardless of any railway.

I heard in 2013 California banned coal burning steam locomotives and so they stopped running 4466 but I’m not sure

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I saw the video where the people at the Cumbres and toltec doing the test run of #168, btw does your buddy Dan Markoff go to any of these narrow gauge conventions

They are missing an opportunity to make some money to help in the preservation of all this equipment... I'm sure die-hard rail fans would pay a pretty penny to get a peak inside... I know I would!!!

Sadly, Union Pacific 4466 most likely may never run again (At least in CA) because California Laws have since banned the operation of coal fired steam locomotives due to environmental concerns, and the museum doesn't want to modify her to run on oil in order to preserve the historical integrity of the engine.

Is that where they kept the SP commuter FM Trainmasters?

Why did the California State Goberment bureaucrats NOT want people to take fotos inside the SP Sacramento shops?????

I wish they never destroy the other building they could’ve makes it as a other museum

Coool

It's brick facade, they aren't really brick buildings.

Ooh so that’s where 6819 was.

Why would they not want you to take videos or pictures? That's so weird for a rail museum to behave!

I will go ahead and throw a link up here to a brief video tour of the shops kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJxjoK5ev5rHdX0.html

Ah, yes, turning it into a commercial plaza with all the tourist traps. The "The community" likely doesn't give a damn.

Yeah, thats bullshit. To not allow the public into that area is a disgrace. A selfish, ignorant thing to do!!!

Pretty fast and loose with the facts of history, and too many errors throughout on the subjects shown.