This channel deserves more attention. That is science fact!

To answer David's point about Jaws and Dolly floating off into space, there is a brief line at NASA where they say an object has touched down in the ocean containing a small woman and a very tall man.

Saw this in the cinema in 1979 as a child so still remember warmly how thrilling I found this as a child.

David’s Cubby Broccoli impression really is spot on.

I think something else you could have talked about is the cinematography. Some of the shots in Moonraker really are breathtaking.

A modern moonraker remake/reboot with the next bond would be epic. The villain would be an Elon Musk gone rogue character (like in the book) and Bond has to stop a global plot to take the world by hostage with a space weapon. No crazy space travel or lasers. But something based on reality and the renewed interest in space exploration.

You have to love how Bond and Goodhead manage to hide on the starship. Their disguise? They blend in amongst all these 'perfect human specimens.'

I really like these two guys and listening to them chat about Bond is very comforting.

I feel like Moore had a Really life or Death Situation. When he was going around in circles in that Space Training. You notice if didn't have that gadget he would have died. You see it in his eyes when leaving the machine

My favorite Bond movie. Man, I've loved this one ever since I was a kid. I know it's bonkers, but man, it's just so much fun. And Sir Roger Moore is just perfect in it.

Oh my. My favourite of your videos. And a title sequence! (Edit: And yes Moonraker is my favourite Bond movie)

The double-take pigeon is the high point in the history of cinema!

Love Moonraker! It's a re-hash of The Spy who loves me but it has sci-fi (I was 5 during the Star Wars phenomenon) and is very entertaining. Very tongue in cheek with the double take pigeon but I love it! Sky diving scene at the beginning is one of the best pre-title sequences in the series.

Really enjoyed revisiting Moonraker again when I saw it at the BFI last year. Also saw the film back in 2009 followed by a Q and A with Richard Kiel afterwards at the same venue. Very fortunate to have a photo signed by the great man as well.

I think that Tomorrow never dies in an underrated 007 film.

That one time where Drax outsmarts Bond by somehow replacing the lab. I feel like a harsher Bond would have just pulled out the neurotoxin sample (Or a false vial he had a different glass shop make offscreen) to make Drax panic as proof he was up to no good.

Jaws pushing Bond out of the jet at the beginning of the film - one of my favorite intro scenes.

How did Drax build a space station IN SECRET? You would have been able to see it with the naked eye!

Calvin, I love Moonraker. I watched so many times and the time flew by. Terrific special effects. A travelogue of cinema. Beautiful women, beautiful cinematography!

For some reason I've always found the use of the Space Shuttle more grounded in reality than the Thunderbirds rockets used in YOLT. That with Corrinne getting eaten by the dogs, Moonraker has more grounded moments than most people remember. They also made the good move of leaving space to the third act, if it had been the entire movie it wouldnt have worked,the two thirds of conventional globe trotting Bond adventure warms the audience up for the epic outer space finale.

Also that was a spot on Alec Guinness, David. Well done.

Enjoying this debate. I really like Moonraker, and I'd defend the investigation piece of go here find this, then progress to the next level. Esp the fantastic Michael Lonsdale. Best bad guy put down to Bond re British cucumber sandwiches.

This type of debate is similar to the Batman franchise, which has similar histories. The spectrum of the debate is on one side realism and the other side hammy. Moonraker would be like "Batman and Robin", Casino Royale with "Batman Begins" and so forth. Moonraker tends to be the litmus test on what side of the spectrum the fan is located. That fascinates me.

I'm a Fleming guy, I like Dalton, I LOVE Craig, but man, I always have a great time with Moonraker and that score, one of Barry's best!

This Nightfire multiplayer music for the intro is everything.

Moon raker has a special place in my heart as it was the first Bond I ever saw in the cinema. I was with my best friend, and as a child I embraced the spectacle. As an adult? It’s not science fact, but Bond has always been larger than life.

I'm with Calvin om this one. I'm very pro Moonraker.

I love when Drax calls up the "henchman hotline" to replace Chang. It's like the scene in TWINE in which Dr. Arkov grouses to Renard about how the parahawks (used for the ski chase) were "rented and meant to be returned".

Oh Jesus... David is back to saying “Wile D. Coyote”. For all that is holy and pure, it’s Wile E. Coyote!

For anyone who wants do some further reading on the concept, 30:30 The trope David is describing here is "Out of Character Is Serious Business." It can be VERY effective plot point if used right.

One of my favorite pieces of product placement ever was when, in his Recapping video, DBF inserted himself into the British Airways billboard. "Dutchbondfan The channel tailored for Bond fans!" Brilliant

Great video idea I’m excited to see how this pans out. I’m currently somewhere in the middle so maybe I’ll be swayed either side who knows

It's a silly film but I like it a lot, I actually like it even more than the spy who loved me.

We need more debates, love the points. Makes me wanna rewatch these movies with these views in mind

Favourite Q quotes - 'I think he's attempting re entry'. 'Not now I'm too busy. Later perhaps' - Octopussy.

I thought that they would have mentioned how both Moonraker and SWLM killed the same actor’s character. A submarine officer in SWLM and the copilot of the plane that crashed in the beginning of Moonraker. I might have questioned why Bond and the helicopter pilot were staying at Drax’s mansion. If Drax had simply reserved a hotel room for Bond, then Bond never would have gotten into the study and found out he had to go to Venice.

Moonraker (Ian Fleming’s version) is such a great great great book.

I agree with David. Having seen my first Bond film, “The Spy Who Loved Me” in the theatres a couple of years earlier and then seeing “Moonraker” a couple of years later it felt like a real letdown.

Most of Moore's dialogue was one liners - 'I like it already', 'play it again Sam', 'not want I want to get stuck with tonight'. Or even less - 'bang on time', 'a woman', 'balls Q?'.

These are fantastic, boys, keep em coming!!

These debates are awesome! Please continue to do more between the two of you.

Hugo Drax had nice homes, multiple beautiful girlfriends, expensive collections, and could tell jokes. Stromberg was an old guy who liked to look at fish.

After Chang tries to kill him, James goes back to Holly’s hotel room. And without even half trying, he finds the deadly diary with the dart, the poison pen that’s a syringe, the purse that’s a radio transmitter, and the perfume that’s just a tad bit overpowering - actually a flamethrower! James says, Standard CIA equipment. Holly gets this friendly/slightly embarrassed look on her face which is just great! 😊 And then later, she beats up two guards on the space station, and James just helps a little. He asks, CIA? She says, No, Vassar. And then at the very end, Holly says, James this is our last chance. And it really is - and James comes through. Meaning, we amateurs judge a movie by how good the very best parts are. We can put up with quite a lot if these deliver the goods. And I’m not sure pro reviewers fully get this point. In any case, great conversation with David. Please keep doing this! 🌈 🚴🏽‍♂️ 🏡

Star Wars is not science fiction, it's fantasy that took place in space. I'm also a big Trekkie so these distinctions matter. Moonraker is definitely sci-fi.

I really enjoyed this video and discussion. You two should do more of them.

An excellent debate and kudos to both arguments. Really enjoyed this. Bring on the next one 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Great debate! I really enjoy Moonraker, it's just a highly entertaining piece of fantasy and escapism. I'll agree there a few moments where the humour goes overboard but those are not the main things I take away from watching it. As for the whole going into space thing, I think for the time it was fine. I don't think they would get away with it today and yet the space sequences are the highlight for me.

It's great to see David actually make the Thunderball comparisons as I've found the similarities quite striking even being down to the 4th films for Connery and Moore. Great discussion and I'd actually take Calvin's approach but toward A View to a Kill. I LOVE that film while there are MANY indefensible aspects of the movie, I just absolutely adore the absurdity behind it all!

Well, here's to us. 🥂

The conversations you two have had about Quantum of Solace and Moonraker have been fantastic. Very fun, pretty substantive and in good spirits. I hope we get to see more. I can't help but feel given what you guys have said that A View to a Kill and Die Another Day would probably be the most intriguing films to hear you tackle next. Haha

The world is not enough is underrated.

Really enjoyed this, thank you both.

I'm surprised you didn't cover the opening scene to Moonraker! It might be cliche today, but Bond falling out of an airplane without a parachute made for some great action. Sans the end when Jaws lived by randomly being caught by a circus net, it was great! Mostly all practical stuntwork too

Really enjoy these discussions. Thank you both.

I’ve seen Moonraker countless times and it is one of my favorite Roger Moore movies as bond and also one of my favorite bond movies cause it’s so Campy and funny and entertaining

I must admit I think Moonraker is an underrated gem of a Bond film. The bit that always sticks with me is John Barry's score when they're trying desperately to destroy the three orbs whilst the shuttle is skimming across the atmosphere. It's such a great moment of tension... absolutely love it!!

Aside from the sheer pleasure of watching/listening to 2 Bond fanatics debate and discuss, I love the subtle interplay between a slightly more seasoned David & a more youthful, often laughing Calvin. It makes me think of an admired uncle who is fond of his nephew who is just as bright, shares a passion in filmdom, & with whom he can show off his gadgets to impress. Quite lovely.

Saw Moonraker When It First Hit The Theaters. Loved It. Underrated, For Whatever Reason. Roger Moore, Resourceful As Ever. Escaped Death So Many Times, & Still Able To Save The World. RIP Sir RM.

I have really enjoyed the debates so far. I would love to see more of them on any topic.

Great video, guys!

Another great discussion. David trying to put the Jaws teeth in had me in stitches. My own feelings of this movie are not far from yours. Good Villain, bad story, Roger not bad in many scenes.

Loving these debates. Keep them coming. Always been a Moonraker advocate myself

Very interesting format!

Don't forget the spy who loved me had 0 to do with the book

I'm from Brazil and I have some issues regarding the geography and portrayal of our country, but I do like it. My mother saw it on the big screen and we watch it together from time to time.

8:16 I’ve seen this film countless times, and I’m only just thinking this now: surely, in Brazil, that billboard would be in Portuguese. It wouldn’t be in English. Sorry, I know that has nothing to do with your discussion, but it just occurred to me out of the blue.

I love these discussions. I’m slowly turning towards positive feelings on Moonraker the more times I watch it. It is 2/3 of a great Bond film. It just needed one more tumble in the rock polisher before it was marked as ready for release.

Moonraker is a really fun movie to watch I know some parts are campy. Like the boat scene and the scene where Roger Moore riding the gondola. But I always enjoyed Roger Moore portal he was a fun Bond.

Great job boys! I want to see one of these with raised voices, f-bombs, insults and rage....just for the Christmas spirit!

Great debate! There are a few Bond films that I WISHED that I loved, and I'm afraid Moonraker falls into that category for me (along with From Russia with Love and Tomorrow Never Dies).

Love Moonraker. Delightfully daft, exciting and a wow visually. I just want to wish you the most fabulous Christmas and a very Happy and safe 2021. Thank you so much for being so entertaining. I really hope we get to see No Time To Die next year!!!! All the very best xxxx

The imbalance of suspense and piles of cheesy humor spoils a lot of it. The gravest error is ruining that amazing skydiving stunt at the beginning by adding the circus tent nonsense leaves one with a bad taste right from the start. Reminiscent of The Man With The Golden Gun, which took the most amazing car stunt ever performed and marginalized it with a "pop goes the weasel sound" instead of the 007 theme. Btw, John Barry stated that he regretted that musical choice in TMWTGG.

I was LMAO at the "Three Legged Dog" reference to the film. Well done Another entertaining video.

Best part about Moonraker is seeing Jaws trying to fly like a bird and him breaking the steering wheel of the boat and the look on his face afterwards xD

Even more ridiculous than the gondola scene is when the two space armies are coming out for battle. Dead’s guys are just being slowly shot out into space dead still, then the space shuttle opens up and there’s like 10 little American astronauts just sitting there lined up like it’s a troop transport, completely throwing off the scale of the space shuttle. It’s such a funny image before the actual battle begins.

Desmond getting to deliver the puns about Bond's ending love scenes was a great idea they picked up on. I really liked it.

No chance, David, Moonraker is great. I don’t mind the going to space at all. For me that was bound to happen someday. After all Bond almost went to space as early as YOLT. But even more I love Moonraker‘s scale, its seventies‘ sense of optimism in technological progress - while at the same time its allusion to seventies‘ fear of potentially world-ending technological dangers. There’s some wonderfully naive nostalgia about it. The last hurrah of the post-war era before eighties‘ sobriety kicks in. Bond has never been as naive since. I also love Moonraker‘s global scale, not only when it comes to the apocalyptic scheme of the villain but also when it comes to the chase around the world that leads up to the start of the shuttles. Added to everything is one of Barry‘s best scores of them all. „Flight into space“ is just a masterpiece.

Not the biggest fan of Moonraker but I would love to see Calvin do more of these kind of videos with David. Very interesting and highly insightful.

WOW I was literally watching the Quantum one last night, and thought when is this one coming??!!

Ι felt like Drax's "illogical" actions (trying to kill Bond the moment they met, releasing the henchmen in every chance, move out from Rio etc) which actually led 007 to unveil the plot, were because he was very close to materialize his plans and wanted absolutely no delays. It sort of explained (very poorly of course) why he hijacked the moonraker and in the end said "one of my own malfunctioned" He could have just constructed a new one and no one would know about his plans

I hate that line too, " it's only 300 miles to Earth, they'll make it" . right (sarcastically) they won"t burn up in the atmosphere or anything!!!!!

If Moonraker is just Star Wars, then Skyfall is just The Dark Knight.

When has a James Bond film ever been "realistic"? Moonraker is a bloody good time, unlike some of the more serious entries. And I'd say having fun is just as valid an idea as not having it. Live and let Moonraker.

Awesome video - made my day! I see all Davids points, but I still love the movie! This was my first Bond movie back in 1979, so I have a lot of nostalgia for it, but now I can also laugh at it for all its ridiculous ideas, and the 'The Spy Who Loved Me' rip-off script!

I love these so much please do more of these

Really enjoyed this chat and I'm not even a big Bond fan.

Prefer Moonraker far more then Quantum or Spectre.

Haven't seen this before was planning on watching this tonight

Moonraker was a great instance of Ken Adam design.

Very late comment obviously. I've listened to this debate and enjoyed it about three times now. I honestly don't see the problem with Bond going into space. He was a much larger than life indestructible character who had been placed in almost every environment on Earth (often in an over the top context), so a one-off journey into space really isn't much of a departure. It's harder to believe that he's an expert (or familiar) with almost any topic on Earth. Possibly the single worst example of this is in one of the most grounded Bond movies: Lazenby describing the correct classification of one of M's butterflies. You can argue that's a moment of humour, but it isn't believable characterisation. And EON needed the profits from each film to plow back into financing the next, so it's understandable that Broccoli seized the opportunity to expand the audience. My point is that (Dalton and Craig aside) the EON Bond series has always been fantastical to some extent and it has always sought out new environments/locations.

I very like Moonraker, funny places, good music, absolutly great villain. Nice 'space pullover' on Calvin this time ;-)

Jaws and Dolly was rescued.Its reported that 2 survivors from space station were picked up by Colonel Scott. A tall man and a short blond.

I really like the direction they take Jaws because Richard Kiel looks like he's having a great time and he's just really funny

I'd love a fan edit of Moonraker taking out the entire gondola scene.

Could you please make a dedicated playlist or channel with all of these collected in?

Not a huge fan of Moonraker, but the line “I think he’s attempting re-entry, sir” is pure brilliance, right down to having Desmond Llewelyn saying it.

Moonraker is one of my favorite Bond films and my dad favorite and both you and David have helped me through last year and hope we get No Time To Die this year

Moonraker has a fantastical but clear plot that is realistic within its own universe.

Most criminal aspect of what they did to Jaws in Moonraker was turn him into some silly comic relief. Flapping his arms in the air in the PTS. Those face palm inducing face reaction shots when the cable car goes crashing into the station, and when the speed boat is about to go over the waterfall. It total ruined any threat they had established in the previous movie. As Zaritsky says, they turned him into a buffoon.

I'm Brazilian and one thing bother me. In a minute Bond is in one state riding a horse and another take he is in Amazon Rain Forest, far far faaaaar away!!🤣🤣🤣 its like "oh I'm riding in texas and wow, i'm in Canada now.