The Beginnings of Fantasy │ Pre-Tolkien Recommendations

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Mo's Reads

Mo's Reads

8 жыл бұрын

Some historical info on the fantasy genre and some books that I love.
Books mentioned:
Phantastes - www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
The Princess and the Goblin - / 444381.the_princess_an...
Lilith - / 268187.lilith
Five Children and It - www.goodreads.com/book/show/4...
The Story of the Amulet - / 763489.the_story_of_th...
Melisande - www.surlalunefairytales.com/ra...
The Book of Dragons - www.goodreads.com/book/show/9...
The Gods of Pegana - www.goodreads.com/book/show/1...
Time and the Gods - / 1476260.time_and_the_gods
The Sword of Welleran and Other Stories - / 14693.the_sword_of_wel...
Find me at:
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@jacksonvega7751
@jacksonvega7751 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been falling in love with REHs Conan and Moorcocks Elric series. Never would’ve guessed they’d be so completely my jam.
@majkus
@majkus Жыл бұрын
Jay Ward adapted 'The Princess and the Goblins' for laughs in a 'Fractured Fairy Tale' segment of 'Rocky and his Friends'. While it played up the comedic aspects (the goblins' tender feet and allergy to music), it was a surprisingly accurate summary of the story in a five-minute animation.
@BannersglareTheDreamWriter
@BannersglareTheDreamWriter Жыл бұрын
I have been looking into Dunsany's work. He definitely has the atmospheric, fairy-tale aesthetics within his stories. Therein lies that connection to J. R. R. Tolkien and modern fantasy as a genre. My favorite Dunsanian stories are "The Sword of Welleran" and "The Fortress Unvanguished, Save For Sacnoth." There is so much uniqueness to fantasy work despite being more than a century old.
@katehowereads
@katehowereads 8 жыл бұрын
I'm so enjoying your channel!!! You're making me add more books to my TBR. ☺
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+Kate Howe Thank you :)
@TheVoltairevamp
@TheVoltairevamp 7 жыл бұрын
Wonderful choices. I would have liked to hear about John Ruskin's "The King of the Golden River" and William Morris' large(ish) Fantasy works like "The Well at the End of the World" - both predate Lord Dunsany's work. And if we're talking about pre-Tolkien era works of pure Fantasy (as an established genre unto itself, separate from older things like Folklore, Epics, Chivalric Romances or Fairy Tales) then the Pre-Historic world of Robert E. Howard's Kull and Conan stories is one of the most important for the evolution of the genre. Sure his work is less refined than guys like Tolkien, or Lewis, or Dunsany for that matter; and it is part of the specific sub-category "Sword and Sorcery" (wandering savage hero-type adventures) unrelated to Epic or "High" Fantasy; but it still pre-dates Tolkien, it was still instrumental in shaping various tropes and themes of general Fantasy literature, and the stories themselves are still incredibly rich, even if a bit repetitive.
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I would like to have talked about more of these but it would have made a very long video, and I'm still reading some of them myself. I have to admit that I only made it half way through The Well at the World's End, although that was a number of years ago and I do mean to try it again at some point. I did the same thing with Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros. I haven't read any of the Conan books yet though I do intend to do so. I'm currently working my way through Peake's Gormenghast novels which are post Hobbit but pre Lord of the Rings. I plan to put out another of these videos when I have a few more things to include in it.
@rossh7186
@rossh7186 2 жыл бұрын
I love Eddison - I was wondering if he was going to feature in the video - but I think it's also perfectly understandable to leave his books unfinished. It took me about 2 years to get through The Worm Ouroboros. I think the main thing that kept me reading him was the language - I would put money no one else ever writing like that ever, it's just so endlessly beautiful, inventive ... and very, very dense. I get through about 5 pages at a time.
@JustEssayIt
@JustEssayIt 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. I'd never heard of Lord Dunsany before, but I'm definitely intrigued!
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+marlinelina Thanks! You should definitely give him a try.
@ZombieEatsBooks
@ZombieEatsBooks 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool topic! I'm not very knowledgable about fantasy in general, but it's a genre that I do love when I get around to it every once in a while. I'm looking these up! Thanks!
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+ZombieEatsBooks Thanks! I hope you enjoy them.
@MrAelin
@MrAelin 3 ай бұрын
Sad that you stopped recommending books. It was really interesting to hear about these books. Greetings from Spain.
@booksandquestions9135
@booksandquestions9135 8 жыл бұрын
This is such a strong, concise, and informative video, thank you! I've read MacDonald and Nesbit, although just their children's books, but I've never really thought about them as they relate to the history of fantasy as a genre. Amulet was my favorite, too.
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+BooksandQuestions Thank you! I would definitely recommend looking into MacDonald's adult books as well.
@apocketfulofprose
@apocketfulofprose 8 жыл бұрын
LOVED this video. Great job!
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+apocketfulofprose :)
@rossh7186
@rossh7186 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video.
@Kalanadi
@Kalanadi 8 жыл бұрын
This was a fantastically informative video - thank you!! I definitely want to get to George MacDonald and Lord Dunsany. I first heard about Dunsany from Jo Walton and that's probably all I need to know - if he influenced her at all, I need more! I read Nesbitt when I was in middle grade and sadly don't remember any of her books well. The oldest non-Tolkien author I've started to read is Mervyn Peake, who was... I guess a contemporary? I want to finish the Gormenghast books. The first one was so amazingly written. But yes - thanks for these recommendations, and I'd love it if you did more!
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+Kalanadi Thank you. I still need to get around to Mervyn Peake; Gormenghast has been on my to read list for a while. I did enjoy making this and would like to do more of this style video in the future, but it might be a while.
@micah_mudflaps
@micah_mudflaps 2 жыл бұрын
This video is great! I have a 1st edition of Lilith that I can’t wait to read. I love the darker works from this stage of fantasy in the early 20th century (big Gormenghast fan), so I’m sure I won’t be disappointed :)
@lukunurkka543
@lukunurkka543 8 жыл бұрын
I actually have one Lord Dunsany book that i bought on a whim without any knowledge of his role in fantasy history. You are the second person to tell me about him. I really should get around to reading that one. Also i should check if my library has other ones. I like this type of videos that are half enjoyment/educational. Great job.
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+lukunurkka Thank you :) I would love to hear your thoughts on the Dunsany book when you get around to reading it.
@lorenerocha9207
@lorenerocha9207 3 жыл бұрын
That's a really informative video! I'm a big fan of CS Lewis and I also appreciate Tolkien a lot, but I'm only starting to read George MacDonald. I'm currently at Phantastes and now I want to read Lilith 😁
@LiterallyGraphic
@LiterallyGraphic 8 жыл бұрын
Very cool. My mom read us a lot of Nesbit growing up, including five children and it, but I never realized it was part of a series. I just downloaded Lilith and The Gods of Pegana off of Librivox and am pretty excited to dig into them. I listened to Phantasies a couple of years ago and was so completely entranced. I really need to reread that as well some time >.
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+Literally Graphic I hope you enjoy them :)
@LetsReadSFF
@LetsReadSFF 8 жыл бұрын
So strange but so necessary to think of pre-tolkien fantasy. These books are going on the list. Exploring this history will be fun.
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+Let's Read I hope you enjoy them. :)
@primus7776
@primus7776 3 жыл бұрын
Great posting. Thank You ! The King of Elflands Daughter by LD is a beautiful book.
@ShatteredGlassPhoto
@ShatteredGlassPhoto 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent video.
@TuDawid
@TuDawid 4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a follow up video post-Tolkien Recommendations?
@LuminousLibro
@LuminousLibro 8 жыл бұрын
Phantastes was a difficult read for me, because the plot is all over the place. (I had the same problem with Lilith too.) But I first read it because I had read that it influenced C. S. Lewis in his writing. I didn't know that it influenced Lewis Caroll too! I think I need to re-read them though, since I think I would appreciate them more and understand more the second time. I love love Princess and the Goblin, and MacDonald's other children's novels! I adore Edith Nesbit!
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+Books for MKs I will agree that Phantastes and Lilith are not easy reads. I think it helps to go in thinking of it like Alice in Wonderland, mostly atmosphere and wierdness and not so much plot... and philosophy, there's a lot of that too.
@LuminousLibro
@LuminousLibro 8 жыл бұрын
I always have the same problem with Alice too! I like structure and clarity and rules, and none of those books operate within any kind of parameters. It's all higgledy-piggledy, and I have trouble enjoying that.
@PyramidXSlender
@PyramidXSlender 5 жыл бұрын
Have you read about its influence on CS Lewis in The Magician's Book: A Skeptic's Adventures in Narnia by Laura Miller, or in some other source?
@SunriseFireberry
@SunriseFireberry 8 жыл бұрын
R U gonna do a video on the fantasy writing antecedents to MacDonald, eg. Ariosto? CS Lewis has a list of some of these works in his Ch. On Fantasy in his An Experiment in Criticism. Where does ETA Hoffmann fit in? L. Frank Baum? William Morris?
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
+TimeAndChance I would like to to one of these in the future, but I'll probably wait until I've read more of their work.
@RSEFX
@RSEFX 8 күн бұрын
I thought that maybe THE ODYSSEY was one of the first full-fledged fantasy novels. I don't now much about the genre, but when I read Homer's tale it read to me as pure fantasy. (n fact, the Old testament ---which I guess isn't really a novel----laid a lot of fantasy novel groundwork. To me, at least)
@guyveloz4382
@guyveloz4382 4 жыл бұрын
It is pronounced Lord dun-ZAN-y!
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
3:09 You are consistently mispronouncing the title as "fantasies" - it's "phan-TAS-tees" ...
@TheSebsteele
@TheSebsteele 8 жыл бұрын
Obscure references. Perhaps i'm just ignorant. I know basically nothing about fantasy-literature predating Tolkien, fantasy in general or literature whatsoever, or anything really. But this might be a good "launching-out"-point for me in terms of broadening my horizons with regards to fantasy literature. Alas, i'm very much like a hobbit in the sense that i'm very suspicious of unfamiliar things, yet might find great comfort in re-visiting and absorbing new depths of old familiar stories and narratives. Good stories are timeless and of universal application; that's my opinion. Often it seems the case that you find an author that appeals to you, rather than a mere book. Nevertheless, it seems readily apparent that the format and definition of what is "fantasy" has changed from it's inception up until modern times. Much of what classifies as fantasy these days seem merely like medieval "realism" with an embellished touch. I know nothing of these matters though.
@mosreads9535
@mosreads9535 8 жыл бұрын
These are considered to be obscure references even among readers of fantasy. But I have always been one to want to know the full extent of things. I would agree that fantasy today is full of a lot of faux medieval Europe and I really with more fantasy authors would widen their horizons. Thanks for sharing your thoughts :)
@TheSebsteele
@TheSebsteele 8 жыл бұрын
Woah, I don't know what faux means, but that's great :) You're welcome. I suppose i'm not very reserved. :)
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