Youve changed since becoming a youtuber, now its all Mii Mii Mii

I also bought a 2yr old Mii Electric back in August and I agree with everything you said except your comments about it not being a motorway car. I use mine every day on a 75 mile each way commute mainly on motorways with a bit of 'town' driving at the end and it's absolutely brilliant. Range wise expect about 135-140 miles on a full charge at a 60-70mph pace so I have to do a top up charge at some point during the day, but that's still brilliant economy. I love mine :-)

I went down the same path but bought the Zoe in mid August - a close decision but I need to cover 140 and 180 mile runs now and again. I think the arrival of affordable 2nd hand EVs is a huge issue that starts the process of making EVs available to people who don't buy new and don't lease cars.

It was the VW Group's first EV (2012),. Goes to show that the old tech is often the best, no active and energy wasting battery cooling/heating management, no silly over sized battery pack that adds weight, Yes the wheels spin on wet roads, I highly recommend getting rid of the stock tyres (Good Year Efficient grip) and getting some decent 4 season ones, it's a game changer! About the Seat App, it's a pity you didn't address the problem earlier, being a VW Group connectivity ambassador, I could have helped you with that one ;-). I'm sure you'll enjoy the little EV, we absolutely love our E-UP!

Congratulations on the find, good luck with it and thanks for the video.

Completely right about patience and taking the opportunity when you find it. Too many purchases (not just cars) are made when you have to and you are hamstrung with what's available at the time or without due consideration of what would be sensible. The only way to get a deal is be ready when you see one - and not 'have to' get it there and then.

I bought mine in August after watching many of your videos and your review of the Citigo. We had an Up! in 2014 and loved it. This one is even better and faster. Absolutely LOVE our Mii. 2021, 3K miles, 11,900 all in.

Really useful review, thank you. I am very tempted !

Re the switch. Try gentle prying it out - just the. Bit you press no t the whole switch. May be barbs top and bottom. Just did something similar. On my Octy climate system today . In side that one there seems to be a carbonised? Tiny pad also a rubber “ tube “ for want of a better word which seems to act as a soft return spring( doesn’t come out) give the pad a wipe, snapped it back in and done . I had two buttons similar worked on both - best of luck

Such a good little runaround. I loved my petrol Mii (first car)- I remember when I was shopping around and comparing a load of second hand petrol Mii, Citigo and Up! ~7 years ago. The Mii was cheapest with most tech, my budget was cheapest Citigo and mid-range Mii and the Up! was just too expensive. It really makes no sense at all when they are identical cars. Literally every component says “VW” on them, I’ve still got the faulty accelerator peddle from my Mii and it says “VW” on it!! Definitely a wise purchase with the Mii.

Love it and love your channel

Thanks for the great review. I love my Mii electric ❤. So good to drive.

We bought a 3 year old Mii (only 6k miles) back in September. 250 mile journey home was easy with a couple of quick CCS charges. 7+m/kwh in warmer weather. Have done the VCDS changes to sort the Climate to remember previous setting - still need to sort the lane tracing. Set charge limit to 80% and it’s perfect

I have been considering a Seat Mii as a replacement of our 107. It looks like it would be very similar in size and has the basic controls that we like. It looks like the perfect first EV. Did test drive a MG4, but the software problems and specification is above my requirements, also the early adopters seem to be being used to develop the car. I looking for something you just get in and drive.

We bought one of these after seeing your review from a couple of years ago..".like baked beans on toast" - it really is! Unpretentious, capable, fun!

Thanks for your research

Wife loves her E-Up, which may differ from the SEAT in having the worlds smallest rear view camera, we had a non working heated seat which had the seat elements changed under warrenty, manage to get up to 6miles/kwh in the summer, efficiency tends to drop like a stone with the temperature, a fun little car prefer it to my Ioniq 5 in some ways

Great episode. Congrats on the purchase. Sadly, none of the e-Up!, Citigo or Mii siblings came to Australia. Envious. Hmm. Wonder if importing is an option?

The Up has an all glass tailgate, the Mii and Citygo have half steel ones. They stopped making them because they were losing money on each one built after the pandemic due to component costs.

Hi EVM - Great choice, my 2021 Mii Electric has been brilliant over the almost 3 years I have had it…. Almost fault free. You have the same fault, the driver heated seat faulting out is a known fault and will be replaced under warranty as mine was in January. Regularly get 4.5 mp/kWh good luck. Agreed it was bonkers for VW group to kill the triplets, my guess that they were losing money on every one produced.

Definitely worthy of a look as a second car, my girlfriends old focus only did 4000k a year and this would be ideal. I agree with you about batch snobbery, our SEAT Alhambra is basically a VW Sharan and about £3k cheaper even though better spec.

Great find. my 40k Mokka e isn't anywhere near ss efficiant, lucky to get 4 m/kwh and has terrible regen.

Brilliant, thanks for updating 😁. Had a lot of problems with the app too, esim reactivated now. Which app were you using on the phone please, Drive Mii or Connect as the screen didnt look like Connect. Bought our May 21 Mii electric around 9000 miles, in September for £11k and as you say the small numbers available on Autotrader seem to be going up for more £'s. Just to say theres a friendly FB group for Mii electric owners, over 650 members 👍😁

The up! owners club forum is worth a look for the heated seat issue. I bought new and ended up with an e-up! rather than a mii because I was able to get the up! more quickly from stock but it would be hard to justify going Vw for a second hand purchase. I’d offer the e-up for a comparison video but you would have to come to Caithness.

good review - we bought a 2 yr old Mazda MX-30 for £14k - absolute bargain and brillinat car - range about 125 at the moment but tbh it never goes anywhere near that on a dialy drive ...

We’re currently considering what to buy as our 2nd EV and I think this will be a good option. It would be perfect for a 15 mile round trip taking the kids to school or my wife going to either of her 2 local offices. Another informative and helpful video. Keep em coming EVM 👍🏾

Brilliant cars, I'll be sad when my leased e-up goes back. Hopefully buying an i3S as a replacement will soften the blow.

Had the e-up for the day as a courtesy car. Great car

I'm currently saving up for one of these - of the three, my favourite is the Seat as well. I suspect that the VW group took the decision to stop making these is because they were so popular and they thought they were going to miss out on the massive profits of the bigger vehicles. This is truly a fantastic second car.

We have the 2022 E-up as my wife's car. We both love it . Highly chuckable. TBH I retire in a couple of years and as a retirement car I'm seriously considering keeping it as our only car.

I really liked that. An EV with a personality

We never got these cars this side of the Atlantic, and I agree with you in wondering why they would discontinue them.

Nice one 👍👍

great video and great car. can you tell me if they normally come with the granny charger?? or is that an extra? thanks Glenn

Looking to buy one of these in a year to replace my up. Great video

I had a Mii on lease and loved it. But circumstances changed so it went back. Have a 41kw zoe now, but much preffered my Mii.

Great little car, it’s nuts they stopped making these as you say

I've said it before and I'll say it again, these are some of the best EVs on sale. Test drove both this and the VW Up 2+ years ago now and found them both brilliant. I own and drive a 10 year old ICE VW Up but the EV version was just more refined, solid, and fun. And yes, the efficiency incredible. But when I test drove them BOTH were unavailable new. In fact on the way to the VW test drive he called to say VW had just stopped all orders! I also believe they (VW Group) want better better profit margins on their bigger less good EVs and not on simple but brilliant cars like this. There can be no other reason. This car would suit many many people.

What a great find and the efficiency is amazing. It certainly shows that smaller cars work well as EV's if the price is right. Add in the over 200 miles of range and it can work very well in most situations.

My aunt has had the electric version Mii for a couple of years and loves it. The petrol version is great too but given how these cars arw used, the electric version is the obvious choice

Would love to see you try & review the BYD range!

I've been contemplating replacing my ageing Meriva with an EV. I've already leased one from work, and Audi Q4, so my missus is using the Meriva and she's not overly keen on it. So this video is really interesting, because not only is the Mii right in the size window she'd be looking for, but it looks pretty well specced, it's a decent looking car, and underneath it's essentially a VW with a different badge. I'm seriously considering it, although I dare say trying to fund one right now is out of the question. Also, this is where I have to say a massive thanks to the EV haters. Because to them, the fence-sitters appear to be turning away from the used EV market and causing them to become much cheaper. So yeah, thanks to all you dinosaurs who hate change, you're making it much easier for me to save money!!

Going for it in the new year thanks, Got to get charger first thanks.

Buttons!!! Lots of buttons to control things which is so much better than touch screens or voice activation when using cars for their actual purpose.

We also got a 21 plate low miles Mii in September ( also second car to Tesla) also under £11 , glad we did ...

A 32kwh battery can be filled 0-100% in the 5 hours of an overnight cheap tariff and that efficiency would give me more range than on my 50kwh mg4

We loved our Seat Mii Electric. The only reason I sold it was because I was offered £1,300 more than I paid for it. First time I ever made money on a car. The build quality is excellent. The efficiency is unmatched by our Tesla or MG4. The fun factor was higher too. Totally understand your enthusiasm and joy.

Is the battery passively cooled same as the Nissan leaf or does it have active cooling... will it rapid gate..... plus what's the speeds it recharges at

I didn't even know about this car 16 minutes ago, and they don't sell it anymore. 😳

My brother had a Citigo (ICE version) and it was genuinely such a great little car. Boggles the mind why they stopped making them.

Welcome to the Tesla/Mii club. Good to see you’ve passed the induction test - getting the app registered and 7KWh charging! Fantastic town car, nippy and agile. I’d only trust it for 60 miles this time of year. Max we’ve done is 80 over the Pennines and back. Only downside is dealing with Seat/Seat dealers.

The way battery powered cars are depreciating, you'll be able to buy McMaster's Porsche Taycan for 10 grand in a couple of months time🙃

A much needed video for 'normal ' people thank you and well done.

Amazing, great to see the price madness following Covid is over, i think in another few years they'll be some great used EV's available below £10k especially once the new £20k Citroen hits the market in 2024 and basically makes most EV's look chronically overpriced..

Interested as to what the price was pre haggle ? Also, another very efficient car is the kona and its sister the niro, and again nasee on non ev specific platform (pre 2023 model). Maybe more cars ahould be based on non ev platforms for efficiency....

Price market is Nice for buyers. Not for sellers I think. We have had the Old Arosa petrol for years. Very pleasant car. Even on long trips.

I sold my Mii a year ago for over £17000. We loved it but we were going down to one car and sold our Pandas 4x4 as well. We always look back with some regret because we loved both. The Seat averaged over 5 ml/kWhr during our ownership. Brilliant. A major problem for us was the seats were not comfortable on longer journeys. We bought the MG4 (LFP battery) and when I first drove it, (Nov 2022), I thought there was something wrong with it because it seemed so inefficient - I thought all ev's should be close to 5ml/kWhr in winter, how naive.

Well done that’s a billy bargain. ⚡️✅

I like the way the phone can display car info. so why can;'t all cars do that ? Efficiency impressive for a small car and far better than my Bor at 3 to 3.5 in winter. If you know someone with VCDS they could find the heated seat issue. SEAT, VW stopped making the small EV so that the ID3 and Born would sell and they could ask for more money.

That focus! Lolz

Great idea. Tried to buy one from cinch. Can't take cc payment in 2 hits (credit limit) won't increase without full credit check. Have money in current a/c. Bank doesn't appear on cinch list. Octopus and pod both want your money for fitting a charging point, without committing to a fit date. Unacceptable! So given up.

what a brilliant deal

Looks good. Next challenge 15k?

The VAG groups first gen EVs are so efficient, they should have continued with these rather than the ID range. I would have bought a 50kwh mk8 eGolf if they built it. I have had 5.2mpkw out of my mk7 eGolf that would have given me 140miles in the summer which has a slightly smaller battery than eUp/Mii Get about 3.8 in the winter. Depends on what temperature you set the heater too. Heated windscreen is a bit annoying at night through.

thhey stopped making it because it was too good. they were worried about id 3 sales. but germany is getting rid of the substidies therefore cars are going to get cheaper and smaller again. otherwhise they wont meet their co2 goals. so we have to wait around 12 months. i wouldnt be surprised if they brought it back or if the id2e comes faster than expected to fill its void.

Good choice they’re all 11.5 k how did you get it down?

So did you sell the mini ?

Trouble is if it has so much depreciation then people will stop buying them new.

One of difference between the Citigo and the UP is inner rear wheel arches this makes UP a lot quieter in the wet (you can retro fit this if you can find the part no.) Overall both cars are brilliant. Also you can select the colour you want in the radio in the menus

What about Insurance compared to ICE equivalent. Just asking as have been screwed with my iPace compared to Audi A5 convertible diesel.

What's the range on the mi?

Small EVs are economical and big EVs are thirsty then? Sounds the same as ICE cars? 🤔🙂 I wonder what a small Hyundai would be like? I'm thinking of the difference between the Ioniq 5 and the Kona

So the Mini is gone? Well done for completing your switch.

Did you get the adjustable boot floor with it? For some reason that's missing on every preowned Mii I've looked at. I believe it was standard although I suppose it may have been an option.

Don't suppose it has vehicle to load? Can you program charge times without having a home charger? As a first EV, adding a home charger would add about £1000 to the price.

It tends to be the heating system in seat, When its fixed dont kneel on the seat that can cause the problems, I will have to buy a smaller phone my S23 ultra is to large.

I just bought a 2015 24kw 68,000 miles, 11 bars (83% SOH) for $7,950.00 here in Minneapolis

Been Discontinued. I see these with 5 door for around what you paid, maybe a little more expensive but with less mileage and even cheaper bought private. But you still got it at a good price. I understand the Seat brand is being discontinued by VW, do you know if that is correct? Seems a strange move if it is, Seat are a really good car, I have driven several (in ICE form)

Part of the problem with these cars is cost. Small cars are very expensive to engineer so to have any hope of being profitable it helps to have multiple versions based on the same platform, so VAG then had the VW, Skoda & SEAT versions to spread the cost, unfortunately SEAT have been underperforming for years & VW have decided to pull the plug so to speak on SEAT as a brand. Cupra is now going to be a standalone brand rather than a trim level of SEAT. Also the platform that the VW Up & it's sister cars are based on is now getting on a bit having first been released in 2012, I'd imagine it's probably up coming crash regulations that have probably killed it off in reality.

Don't look at the efficency figures, I've the Skoda and they are faked, some time by a lot. You can check the real consumptions using an OBD adapter and check the battery kWh in/out counter

@ElectricVehicleMan I'm a long time youtube subscriber and now member. Been following your journey (pardon the pun) with EVs and home energy tech. It's been hugely informative to me. But, at least until very recently, I wasn't converting that knowledge into action. That changed last week when I traded in my 10-year-old Ford Fiesta 1L for a near as dammit brand new SEAT Mii electric late 2021 registration with under 4k on the clock. I think your 'Best £10k used EV at 2 years old' was the trigger for me to act. No doubt it's a fab wee machine and surprisingly decent for the up front driver and passenger. Even the boot's pretty decent for such a diminutive drive. Anyway I've hit on two snags and I'm hoping you might be able to shed a little more light on one of them. The first is the charging speed at home. Pretty sure I'm stuck at 3.6kW rate on single phase from my reading of some of the EV forums. The one I'm hoping you can shed a little more light on is how the hell you get the app to connect to the car? I re-listened to your comments on the video yesterday & my ears perked up at the reference to your 7-week quest to get the bloody phone to work! I'm now in week two and in exactly the same boat. If I could trouble you to give me a bit of a steer on how on earth you finally got the thing working and who you spoke to I'd be deeply grateful. cheers Ralph

Thank you, I will be in autotrader looking to copy you.

We buy any car values my Hyundai Kona Electric 64Kwh Premium SE at £10.5k. It's a 70 plate and not three years old yet. It's done 93k miles is the reason. Despite this, my OBD reader (and basic maths comparing range against economy) indicates the battery health is over 97%.

Not a sexy topic, but so important that you are putting your money where your mouth is and disproving the whinger FUD out there on beating the EV price conundrum - great work! Wish these kinds of videos could find their way to the target audience, like my Dad, who has a total disbelief that this kind of car exists and how much better it would be than his petrol Corsa. I think smart pensioners are the ideal candidates to snap these up: on a budget, don't need anything big, would love to not have servicing costs, and would love the convenience of charging at home. Also easier to drive. If I were making more on the servicing of cars than the sale then the last thing I want is a great, affordable car, which I can't earn loads of servicing income from becoming more popular than the petrol version; if I were VAG then I'd definitely stop making that car! Just a thought. Amazingly, unlike absolutely every product you can buy in Britain, small, used EVs are cheaper here in NZ; I just bought a top of the range (leather, Bose, 360 camera...) Leaf for equiv. £4000 here and with a healthy range. Love your work, keep covering real-world use cases and answering the big questions we all need answering, and keep mucking about with your mate; those vids are great fun!

What makes the Mii a better choice than a zoe (with rapid charge)? Not much in it cost-wise, so a genuine open question.

I bought a 3 month old petrol VW Up in 2016 as a temporary car when my Land Rover fell apart, paid £7,500. Now done 55k miles, so far have only had to replace tyres and brake disks. Group 1 insurance, 55mpg. Took it to the local garage to see what it's worth trade in.......£5k. £2,500 depreciation in 7 years. I'll never go back to big flash cars.

Great presentation, to the point and no messing about. Mi is a good choice. 10/10! Nice one.

What about insurance? Hearing some horror stories recently

What a great car for such a bargain price!

What’s happening with the old ICE car?

Too good to keep in production due to id3

@EVMan we bought pretty much the same car as you. Having an absolute nightmare with SEAT in getting them to link the Connect App. It’s so simple but so stupid. Was thirsty issue you had with the app?

My e-up had the same issue - sorted out under warranty. I love my e-up but wish it would charge at 7kWh on my home charger! There are loads of comments on forums about how to increase the charging rate but I'm not a geek and don't understand the process. If you figure out how to increase the charging rate a video would be much appreciated.

Less that 30 seconds in and even though I have got a Mii I can't help but notice a new GivEnergy charger in the corner

Same battery size and same gear stick/ function as my e golf 2020, so they probably retired it with the e golf. I get 3.6 to 5.2 kWh winter to summer in that 😂

Get an i3s your love it!

whats the specs like?

Broken element in the seat is a likely cause. Fix under warranty

I know you said this isnt a motorway cruiser...but people said that about my Zoe 40...anyway..what do you think the motorway range is? I do an 80mile round chip...i think it would be fine. But an owners opinion would be good 😊

Mii/UP/Citigo are missing battery cooling system, the Zoe has active air-cooling system and the best way is liquid battery cooling in e.g. BMW i3 :-) Overheating (also undercooling) the battery ) shortens its life! The ICE version of Mii/UP/Citigo are more expensive because of durability, the engines 1.0 MPI are very reliable and cheap for maintenance, but battery - nobody knows what battery will do after 10 years... :-)