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@vintagestereo4 жыл бұрын
believe me, the 770$ it cost now is just a joke. compare it with different tube amp the same seller offers and it's hard to understand why he is selling this amp so cheap
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
@@vintagestereo much agreed. I thought I would be receiving some small ass amp for $770 but my back broke when I first got the package
@SpinnerPaddlefoot4 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it is not available. 😞
@janeiroyoshi4 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi did you already tryed the Willsenton R-800i 300B? cheers
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
@@SpinnerPaddlefoot back in stock !
@redstarwraith4 жыл бұрын
Wow...finally! It's a dreary, crappy, cold and rainy day here. I get my coffee, open my computer, and The Audiophiliac is reviewing a ANOTHER headphone...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, Sean's gone into hiding, and Thomas is MIA as well... But wait! What's this?! Jay's finally gotten around to reviewing the Willsenton?! Ohmigod! Lol, seriously though man...this was a long time coming but the wait was well worth it. You nailed this review, and seeing as how I will very soon be taking possession of the Double Impact SEs, I am very, very excited to check out this integrated. Thank you for this review, Jay. Oh yeah, you can now ignore the gentle chiding I gave you for not getting around to reviewing the Willsenton over on your Patreon site! Haha!
@newsboyaudio3 жыл бұрын
Just got mine working. This is the best AMP I own. By FAR! Actually, I am blown away by it. I don't know if I can ever buy a different one again.
@md11park4 жыл бұрын
I bought Willsenton R8 3 weeks ago in China. It makes LS50 sound incredible. Powerful and very crisped sound. I am happy to have it. Thanks for your help to purchase a good tube amp.
@juanHERNANDEZ-ni3hv4 жыл бұрын
Hello, just wondering how is going with the amp. Trying to get more information on it before I pull the trigger, looking into a Prima Luna, similar design, any problem with the unit,is it living up to your expectations,any feed back will help,thanks
@vintagestereo4 жыл бұрын
I agree with you review. I also reviewed this amp and yesterday, after it was 5 weeks in his house, my friend also reviewed it. This amp is for the price(around 1000$) extreme good. It is not only good but a real beautiful thing. When I tested it I didn't liked the el34 tubes on it. I prefered the kt88 but when it went to my friend to test/review it he discovered after a few more days burn in that in fact the el34 sounded better as the kt88 tubes. The el34 needs a very long time to burn in. I wonder how long you burned in those el34. Try to burn them in for about 100/120 hours, because this is what these el34 needs to burn in, you will hear a complete different el34.
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
Hey man. thanks for stopping by. yeap ! I had these boys for about 2 months now and we always burn in everything !
@vintagestereo4 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi out of the box the el34 sounded really ugly, i was very disappointed but when I heard them playing in Ivars house(after he burned those el34 in longer) I was really surprised how much of a difference good burning in time can do. It was my first tube amp so no experience at all but now I know it for the next time.
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
@@vintagestereo interesting ! I did not notice THAT big of a difference but yes, with all tube amps, there is tube burn in for sure and I have experienced this
@savanpanchal4512 жыл бұрын
@@vintagestereo i am really trying to get into my first tube amp and wondering to get this one.
@doubleblindtest4649 Жыл бұрын
@@vintagestereo How do you burn in the tubes? Do you play music on this amp non stop or you just turn the amp on?
@78sound4 жыл бұрын
This dude is joining the elite status of youtube audio reviewers, it has been great to experience this type of content grow on youtube the past few years.
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man. Idk about elite status but I will always keep it real, humble and honest. Lol
@stephencosta68144 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi 😘
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
@Marten Dekker it is an award given in 2020. Not the best in 2020. Please read the description
@VintageLuxmanStereoCollector2 жыл бұрын
2 years late, but Jay THIS VIDEO convinced me to buy a Willsenton R8. Many thanks to you and our Canadian friends who inspire us to pursue our hobby.
@ricardoabh32424 жыл бұрын
Good explanation of some of the technicalities that usually nobody takes time to do for neophyte like me.
@jimfling21283 жыл бұрын
I think it's interesting that when solidstate amplifiers came out some of us engineers and some audiophiles stated that transistors and digital technology could not match the sound quality of Tubes. We knew that a transformer is an analog devise and a speaker is an analog devise and vacuum tube is and analog devise. Dynamic impedance and load matching requires analog. It looks like these newer tubed amps use a push pull circuit probably a KT-88 tube or one like it. Just like we did in the 1960's.
@cowboybrickfan47752 жыл бұрын
Jay, Thank you for the content and thoughts you share on your channel. I purchased a R10 in 12/2020 and really enjoy the amp. I rolled the tubes a few months ago and it improved the the dynamics, sound stage and frequency response (better bass & treble). I am happy to share the tube selection if you are interested.
@fusionfan68832 жыл бұрын
Hi, which tubes did you roll - I am interested in getting this amp? Thanks👍🏻
@jamesgilmore-thewaterplusg54704 жыл бұрын
Nice Job Jay, just a suggestion. I would suggest check bias every 6 months and adjust bias is needed. Tube gain may change over time.
@donjohnson37013 жыл бұрын
Ok, what’s inside this puppy? Point to point wiring or just a board, capacitors, transformers. Wiring quality, hand soldering? Where are the tubes from? Do they make their own tubes? How are the tubes, do they last? It does look like a well built unit.
@audiorick8414 жыл бұрын
Great review Jay. Although the Reisong A10 is lower budget, less inputs and lower wattage. Would love to get your take on the sound comparison of the two.
@atoz65524 жыл бұрын
You're reviews are getting so good! Thank you for pointing out exceptional value products like you usually do! Who wants to spend 4k$ on an amplifier during the COVID area?
@ArnieAbrams4 жыл бұрын
Excellent review Jay. Very descriptive and informative. I've been awaiting this review for a very long time, having seen it as a working example in your listening room. I'm going to pull the trigger on this as my next purchase. Well done!
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your comment and being a patreon !
@TheTruth-dm8wd4 жыл бұрын
I ordered one soon after seeing your review. Got it 5 weeks later (3 days ago) and is amazing. My first tube integrated amp and can't stop listening to it. I also love my McIntosh gear but some music just sounds more immersive with this amp. Next step is to connect my Technics RS-1700 and turntable to see it's full potential. B&Ws 803 D3 and just using 25-35% of volume so far.
@bradley8apig4614 жыл бұрын
Just wondering.. the cheapest shipping to the United States is $326. I thought it was less than that a month ago. Was it less for you?
@pseudoty4 жыл бұрын
Do you play Rock n Roll with it? I have B&W CM9 S2 @89db sensitivity and lesser tube amps struggle with bass and more complex music.
@TheTruth-dm8wd4 жыл бұрын
@@bradley8apig461 hes, the price has increased overall. Paid $1199 on Amazon including shipping.
@TheTruth-dm8wd4 жыл бұрын
@@pseudoty haven't played Rock n Roll yet. Only soft rock and jazz so far and bass has been good so far. I'll play some Rock n Roll from digital and analog sources and post my opinion here.
@EsotericArctos Жыл бұрын
Listening to your review, one thing stands out. Why do people think Tube Amps are soft on the bass side? I have some amplifiers from the Early 40's and early 50's that are genuine tube amps, and with the speakers from that era, they have plenty of bass, crisp, clear and not muddy or over blown. I think modern tube amps lose something, maybe modern made tubes are not quite the same, or maybe its modern output transformers that are lacking. I guess you can only reveiew a modern tube amp, but they really don't compare to older tube amps.
@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын
Newer is NOT BETTER. Just like when CDs came out. Yes I understand the advantage over vinyl however the sound of vinyl is so much better. There's no comparison and then I have an assortment of head shells and cartridges that I use on my turntable. Depending on what type of music I'm listening to. Can't do that on a CD player. Oh yes a lot of today's tube equipment is really hybrid. Not real 100 % tube like before solid state. I miss being able to take my tubes to my local electronic shop plugging them to their tube tester that used to show me whether they were starting to wear out or needed to be replaced completely. Then just walking up to the sales desk and purchasing new for a very small fee unlike today.
@gerryk31144 жыл бұрын
I Have and always Had a Passion to recreate an accurate Soundstage of Music !!! Years Ago I obtained a System that Satisfied Me and Had to turn my attention elsewhere !!! Once you start a Family, they Come First !!! Now, over the years the Prices Have Gone Up So High, that I’m Glad I was Born Back Then !!!! NO WAY COULD I BE INVOLVED IN THE HIGH-FI MARKET NOWADAYS !!!!
@rob65042 жыл бұрын
$1500 on Amazon now. INFLATION IS GOOD
@juliodejesus15324 жыл бұрын
I also love this amp. I owned Conrad Johnson , Audio Research , Cary and Prima Luna. You can improve the sound by a lot . I changed the tubes it came with to Shuguang Treasure 50 anniversary , The 6SN7 to CV-181-T , The 6SL7 to tung -sol 6SL7GT its like heaven . I have made a video if you want. The best amp i have ever owned.
@stephencosta68144 жыл бұрын
How can I watch the video that you have created I have ordered it as well as I am just waiting
@verocimil4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, show us the video!
@juliodejesus15324 жыл бұрын
@@stephencosta6814 send me your email i will send video.
@juliodejesus15324 жыл бұрын
@@verocimil send me your email you will love the Music i recorded with a Shure stereo mic directly into my phone
@lampham2444 жыл бұрын
@@juliodejesus1532 much appreciated to get the video @lampham244@gmail.com
@ptg014 жыл бұрын
Outstanding review.. Tempting... Curious how this compares with other Chinese branded integrated amps like Cayin, RFTLYS, Muzishare etc... They all look outstanding but impossible to audition before making a decision. Thanks.
@theaudiophilebarista24244 жыл бұрын
I tried the Willsenton R8 and indeed this is a very good amplifier
@SimonBrownja3 жыл бұрын
Jay, have you reviewed or listened to the Muzishare X7? Im trying to decide between that or the R8. This will be my first tube and I confused.
@karenjobagy58223 жыл бұрын
When you listen to a Decware Zen amp you will be confused no longer.Better sound, better price,lifetime warranty,no brainer.
@ufarkingicehole3 жыл бұрын
@@karenjobagy5822 not enough powa
@normancameron60414 жыл бұрын
Update to my "Be Wary" post 4 days ago. China HiFi Audio is GOOD. Received feedback from Yong Lee in my "junk" folder and should have checked. That was my fault. I received shipping and other info regarding my order. Therefore, I would recommend purchasing from them.
@AudiolandCH3 жыл бұрын
Good to hear Norman😉
@fishingbear693 жыл бұрын
How has your unit perform, and have you done any tube swampping, for better quality tubes ?
@jmgoodmanuk4 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a comparison between the Muzishare X7, Reisong Boyuu A10 and the Willsenton R8
@georgeclarke42354 жыл бұрын
Thx for the review. I have the Willsenton R-35I which is one step down from your review model. It’s EL34 tubed. Paired wit Atlantic Technologies AT-2 speakers. I have some Tekton Enzo XLs coming in 2 weeks. Great sound stage, depth, bass and midrange are excellent. I agree with your description of the bass. The treble is where I have an issue. It very dark. It’s there, but very rolled off. I tried using a Monoprice tube amp (EL84) and a 70s SAE Integrated amp (solid state) and the highs are great, so it’s not my source. May need more burn-in or maybe try different tubes. I play guitar also, so have preamp tubes to try. It uses 12ax7 and 12au7 tubes. If you have any suggestions, I’d appreciate it. Keep the great reviews coming.
@georgeclarke42354 жыл бұрын
I changed out the chinese 12ax7s with NOS West German Telefunkens and wow, what a difference. Tighter bass, higher treble range, better clarity, and well, just everything better. Can’t stop smiling.
@ThomasAndStereo4 жыл бұрын
Damm.....now I want to get one....
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
you say this in almost every other review Thomas. back to your channel !
@vintagestereo4 жыл бұрын
Thomas I hope you will review more german speakers....Not sure if your friends/shops over there have german speakers but I would hear your opinion about them
@hwccheng4 жыл бұрын
Thomas & Stereo Try it man and let us know the price and performance ratio
@FrankySilverFace4 жыл бұрын
Don't buy it. You'll be hungry 30 mins after listening to it.
@78sound4 жыл бұрын
@@vintagestereo hello vintage stereo
@bchboy12063 жыл бұрын
I never have supported a channel through Patreon before but your content and the help you have given me is definitely worth it to me. Thanks!
@francomendoza51513 жыл бұрын
You seem to favour kt88 with the Willsenton R8 am I right? Thomas was firm on the el34.
@davidwilliams33763 жыл бұрын
I would very much like to see a head to head with this and the Muzishare X7. Great channel - Thank you.
@blueeyes242128 Жыл бұрын
kt88 tubes are basically a slightly more powerful form of an el34 tube for those that don't know (they can be interchanged if the supporting circuitry allows for it though any time a tube is changed even with a direct replacement the tude needs to be re-biased as biasing controls the current to the grid and all tubes are different - due note that some amps are self biasing but if you don't know then take it to someone that does - power tubes usually operate at 300VDC to 500VDC while preamp tubes typically operate at 100VDC to 200VDC so a tube amp can kill you quite easily) - the real difference is that the kt88 is a beam tetrode and the el34 is a pentode and the significance is interference and output power - there are triodes, tetrodes, pentodes, and beam tetrodes going from least to most powerful and most to least susceptible to emi and rfi roughly - plain tetrodes typically are the noisiest but when shielding was added which is the beam part it solved this and also made it more efficient and powerful - i'd say that if transistor tech would have developed more slowly then we probably would have gotten beam pentodes as well
@WalterLockwood4 жыл бұрын
I just got the Muzishare x7 thanks to Mr Zero Fidelity. It’s my first tube amp. I’m running Zu Omen DWs with it. So far so good.... though I expect better tubes will help a lot. Anyway, I would love to now how this Willsenton unit compares. I still have a week to send the Muzishare back on Amazon. Hmmmmmm..... fantastic reviews! Thanks!
@tbear23273 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay. After watching this video I took the plunge and bought the Willsenton R8. I also bought the SoundArtist Pre-1 for my Crown XLS2502 as well as their LS3/5a's. I also have the Q Acoustics Concept 500 towers, Cambridge Audio CXU (streamer/disc transport), Cambridge Audio CXA60, Rega Planar P6 with Nagaoka MP500 cartridge, a Schiit Audio Phono stage and a Naim Uniti Atom. Yes, I've got a lot of "stuff", so I guess I'm an audiophile of sorts, but getting back to the Willsenton R8, I bought it just on a whim (and partly on your review of it as well), and after owning it for about 6 weeks now, I have to say that it is something very special. At the moment I'm not sure which I like best out of the Naim Uniti Atom and the Willsenton R8. They are both excellent, but have a feeling that my musical and tonal tastes are leaning more and more towards the R8. What is your opinion? On another note, it would be great if you could audition the Q Acoustic Concept 500's. I think they are something special too, especially for the price here in Australia. Any chance of you auditioning them? I would be very interested (as I'm sure your audience would be too) as to what you think of them. Do they give some of the lower tier Wilson Audio speakers a run for their money? A question I'd really like answered. :)
@tbear23272 жыл бұрын
@@kylebowers3383 - I bought it direct from the China HiFi website. This was just over a year ago now, and while I've also purchased the Willsenton R800i, I still use the R8, but with very expensive NOS tubes. The R8 is in another room, but it's still used almost as much as the R800i. So a lot has changed since I wrote the above post. I now believe that tubes are better than solid state and consequently all my solid state amps have been placed into storage. Am I a tube convert? Absolutely.
@turiddu94 жыл бұрын
I understand your love of tubes! I'm a PrimaLuna man myself and am never going back! Are you still with Audio Excellence? Fantastic, insightful and thorough review. Thank you, keep up the good work Jay.
@MrWkendwarrior4 жыл бұрын
This is one of your BEST REVIEWS, considering all the videos i have seen from u have been outstanding! Your breadth of knowledge on tube amps, ti e u spent gathering info, demystifies tube amps for novice tube amp owners or those SS amp owners wanting to try tube amps with less reservations! I cannot understate the importance of your style removes tune amp stigmas and myths, thx! Tube amp options of tube type selector swtitch, up front bias meter, how well it pairs with a variety of speakers, DAVcs, streamers, better power , speaker and interconnect cables, price, makes this a solid winner. Can u pls compare this w the Yaqin MC100b integrated tube amp. I have this amp, upgrade the power cable rolled to many better tubes, stock Shugang tubes are mehhh, love bias adjustments w a separate meter. Seems Chinese mfg lines use lesser voltage than USA, other owners dialed down coltage w a Variac to approx 105 colts?for better performance. May i add tubes are not one and done biasing them, since they wear down with use....i found rebiasing them once every 2 months helps a lot, more often if amp is used daily. I was surprised u did not delve i to tube rolling, since this amp has great potential.please consider this amp bs Yaqin MC100b at same price point comparison review...i am most interested in sound comparisons...thank u,keep up the outstanding review content and your added insight!
@kitgerhart87495 ай бұрын
I just ordered this amp, the first tube amp I will have had in about 50 years. It will be interesting to see how I like it with my rather power hungry Acoustat 1 panels.
@charliechang36884 жыл бұрын
Just discovered audiophile videos and greatly enjoying binging on your videos especially during this period of required “social distancing”. Your sense of reason and balance in pursuing your passion really resonates with me. When indulging in the search for an abstract elitist ideal, i.e. the perfect sound system, it’s clearly all too easy to go overboard and lose sight of the principle of diminishing returns as many audiophiles posting advice on KZfaq including you have cautioned. Toward that end I’ve just purchased a Willsenton amp and a pair of Tekton double impact speakers following your recommendations as my initial venture into stereophony. I am certain I will feel amply rewarded by following your well reasoned advice. I have a question. What kind of appropriate cables would you suggest to connect this system? Thanks for sharing your avocation/vocation! Also extend my appreciation to your fellow “partners-in-crime”, Adrian and Philip, at Audio Excellence!
@ryanlahay93614 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about cables, just any regular 12-16awg (I use 14). Just make sure its pure copper and not ACC (aluminum copper clad).
@fishingbear693 жыл бұрын
@@ryanlahay9361 any particular brand or none ?
@ryanlahay93613 жыл бұрын
@@fishingbear69 they are all the same.
@fishingbear693 жыл бұрын
@@ryanlahay9361 whats your take on 100 % pure silver hifi wires, thats a scientific basic that after gold,, silver is the 2nd best conductor known,,then follow 3rdly by copper ., whats your take ?
@ryanlahay93613 жыл бұрын
@@fishingbear69 It wouldn't matter. Because guess whats inside your speakers ? Copper.
@MOOeymania4 жыл бұрын
cool amp. would love to see a primaluna one day
@rpratadaja4 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay, first of all I have to thank you for reviewing this tube amplifier. Honestly I'm a beginner for high end audio and I've been wanting to try a tube amplifier for a long time, but not sure where to start as I have very little knowledge about it. After watching your amazing review on Willsenton R8, I've finally decided to purchased it thru Alibaba express instead of order it direct from China Hifi due the fact I'm reside in Indonesia and this is my first time purchasing any hifi audio from China direct, worrying it may not come in a good condition, lol. Anyway, it arrived about a month ago with very good packaging, the unit was in perfect condition and I've followed your advice, connecting all the cables and adjusting the output tubes using BIAS meter and start playing and listening few genre of music with my old KEF R500 speakers. Although as I mentioned this is the first time I really owned a Tubes Amp, I'm really satisfy with the quality of sound and it came out exactly as you described on your review. So, I should say thank you to you, Jay...!! Note: I have a question about the tubes, Jay.. As you mentioned that different output tubes have different character of sounds, do you mind sharing with me your reference of tyoe and brand/s that you thing is good for me to start? Fyi, mine now using KT88 stock which come with the amp. I'm thinking to buy EL34 tubes as well as other KT88 tubes for me to try. Thanks in advance, Jay...!
@EC-ut4dy3 жыл бұрын
You both live in hot countries, I would make sure that that you don't place them under the TV. They should have good ventilation so that the heat can dissipate.
@rpratadaja3 жыл бұрын
@@ajitmoses Hi Ajit... nice to know you. Regarding the heat from the Amp, it's quite hot after long hours of listening, especialy I keep mine inside the rack which place below my wall mounted TV but so far it's still fine. Although I have to make an extra wooden box to be place in front of my rack whenever I need to check and adjust the BIAS of those 4 power Tubes from time to time. On your case, if you put it on the rack under your wall mounted TV, it is depend how close is the distance, but as I noticed, the most heat is coming from the front part of your Amp (Tubes), I guess it should be okay, Ajit.....
@rpratadaja3 жыл бұрын
@@ajitmoses Wow..., good to hear that Ajit..! I'm still using my R8 and start rolling tubes... !
@MrWkendwarrior4 жыл бұрын
Your review on this tube amp is one of your best!!!! Verrrrry articulate, explaining amp in simple to u derstand terms
@Luckystudio134 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome review Jay. How does the use of solid state rectifier and not a tube rectifier in this amp affect the whole tube experience ? Lastly, what is the difference between the Tekton double impact "neutral sound" vs the Harbeth "neutral sound" ? Thank you Jay for what you do. It is always a joy and learning experience when I watch your videos.
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
all those are a topic for a different day my friend but overall good questions for me to answer down the line. too long to explain here but I'll keep it on my list. thank you
@Luckystudio134 жыл бұрын
@@Jayiyagi Thanks Jay, looking forward to that video conversation hopefully soon. I have a feeling that Tekton neutral is "American" neutral, sterile with pronounced treble and Harbeth neutral is "British" neutral, warm, midrange emphasize more musical neutral ?
@JOXperience4 жыл бұрын
This is how you do a review!
@Zurvv4 жыл бұрын
I've love to see how it compares with the PrimaLuna Evo. (Note, the gain tubes are the ones that have the biggest impact to sound. Those are the 6SN7.) Also, it is a shame they don't give the option to ship with no tubes. :( I'd personally would want to use the Gold Lion power tubes and some NOS 6SN7s
@SahinurUK2 жыл бұрын
Jay because of your review I have placed an order for this amp. Hopefully it will sound good enough to impress me.
@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын
8 months ago you posted this where's your review what's the verdict I would never spend any money on a 25 watt amp or a 45 watt amp two small for me and from China where you can't get it returned forget about it
@dougg10754 жыл бұрын
Nice amp! I just went tube on one of my systems for the first time and I can say I may become a die hard tube guy.
@billiondollarbaby32764 жыл бұрын
Ordered....Getting my Cornwall IV in this week Jay...Im sure it will be a great match with this amp. Keep up the good work buddy!
@tdinut4 жыл бұрын
Cornwalls + this amp in triode mode will be awesome! Enjoy!
@ptg014 жыл бұрын
Please keep us posted as I have an older Cornwall (2, I think) and am seriously thinking about getting this integrated amp.
@CB-ou6gc4 жыл бұрын
BILLIONDOLLAR BABY have you heard Bob Crites speakers ??
@audiomacaudiomac50194 жыл бұрын
Have you received yours yet? I ordered one too 4 weeks ago and haven't seen it shipped.
@michaelslevin81154 жыл бұрын
Might go with this for my Heresy IV - please give an update once you have some hours on it!
@daw1624 жыл бұрын
My understanding of the distortion with tubes (also a guitar player) is that once you start getting power amp gain, you're getting past the amp's rating (whereas in solid state, you're at the rating), so a 30 watt tube amp if allowed to push into some power tube overdrive may match a 50 watt solid state amp in total volume. With sensitive speakers and allowance of a little bit of warming gain with these, the volume could get extremely loud - especially in vocal ranges.
@turhanwoo3 жыл бұрын
After listening to my US$2500 Luxman SQ 38u (4 EL34) for the last 15 years. I purchased Willsenton r8 with KT88 just for curiosity. And I listen to them with TAD TSM300 and KEF LS3/5a for comparison. I used a cheap mechanical switching device for AB with amp as well as speakers. To my surprise, there were no sonic difference, even though they're using different types of tubes. My friends and I just can't tell the slight difference. Any comments? Some suggested that I should test without the switching device.
@fredflintstone80483 жыл бұрын
I took a drink of beer every time he said, 'high gain design'... The reason for matching the bias in a push pull tube amp is because each tube handles half of the sine wave, and a mismatch will cause output signal distortion. The reason for adjusting the overall bias level for both tubes is to lengthen the life of the tubes by not exceeding the plate current of the tubes.
@Boss-wy2ch4 жыл бұрын
Just pulled the trigger on this yesterday, Jay your channel is great, so on your word I have taken a leap of faith on this one. I have the Ares II just prior to your review aired and concur with your review of that DAC - I am working on the same agreed logic on this purchase albeit unheard! 5 days ago there were 6 in stock, I thought I'd wait a day to decide and missed out....then 3 days ago there were 10 in stock and now down to 3. This thing is still running out the door, fingers crossed QC is not being rushed as the demand is so high!!! I'd suspect not though, Yong has been great to deal with and I sense he is a stand up guy on his products. I chose black and shipping via sea as the shipping cost to Australia expensive. Yong has a note on the website at least 20days to fulfil the order and I expect at least 40 days for the shipping. At this point I suspect its not likely I will see the amp until middle maybe late October - still looking forward to that time though!!! Chose the KT88 option on recommendation from Yong. Will be powering KEF's and primarily used in an analog set up (turntable into phono stage) playing heavy metal / hard rock with a little bit of blues and jazz. I considered other models but on this review and Yongs kind guidance I think this will be an awesome addition to my current amps and my first full tube amp. Will chime back in 3months or so once its arrived and playing.
@AudiolandCH4 жыл бұрын
Damn were 3 in Stock. Now wanted to order.. Sold out :P
@hammalammadingdong62444 жыл бұрын
I am also interested in this amp. I hope you like it. If you don't mind me asking, who did you buy from? And what was the shipping cost if you had to pay for that? Thank you!
@AudiolandCH4 жыл бұрын
@@hammalammadingdong6244 Yong at China audio. With shipping around 1k
@audiorick8413 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison with the Double Impact. These are the speakers I have and I was contemplating replacing my PS Audio Stellar stack with this amp but was wondering if it was a good match. So glad you tried it and recommend it. This validates what I was going to do. And since I don’t have the means $ to make too many mistakes, your trusted opinion is very valued. Thank you!
@-Willoh4 жыл бұрын
Do you like the KT88 or the EL34 more? Because I am not shure which one I should purchase.
@luismiguelclemente32322 жыл бұрын
Hi to everyone. I wonder if you can help me: is this amp a good option for using also with headphones? Namely the hifiman 1000v2?
@AvneeshDwivedi4 жыл бұрын
Hello Jay! Great review again... Love you passion for better value (and quality) products :) would you recommend these over the Atoll IN 30 if paired with Klipsch RP600M? I also plan to get a REL T7/i subwoofer. Thank you for your help in advance! :)
@Musicman3693 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, You stated the price as $770.00 usd, Amazon shows 1299.00 usd. Is that Amazon's profit difference now ?
@youngien3 жыл бұрын
I saw the same thing, I contacted them directly in China, that's their price 770 plus shipping and Tariff, that put it at 1299.99 I tried to place an order on their crappy website its 770$ + 28% tariff and 300 dollars shipping.
@lupus71943 жыл бұрын
Sounds like a China hifi marketing ploy. Price it low to attract interest then recover the difference by overcharging for shipping.
@delvalle92564 жыл бұрын
And how does this compare to the muzishare x7 another well reviewed chifi component. Thanks Jay
@user-hv5jn5jz8t3 жыл бұрын
is it better then the Reisong Boyuu A10 or the Muzishare X7?
@Victurf4 жыл бұрын
The output transformer is a non-linear element as a function of frequency. Therefore it introduces a significant phase distortion if one compares the input phase of the signal with the output phase! To remedy this, it is necessary to build OTL (Output Tarnsformer Less) amplifiers. Much better!
@joshuaschneck3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay. Just received my new R8 after 9-week wait. Have to say, so far, I'm completely underwhelmed and disappointed. The sound is quite brittle and not at all what I would describe as tube-like. I'm playing these through a pair of Tekton Electron SEs. My last amplifier was the Boyuurange A50, 300b amp. I liked the sound of the A50, but at only 7.6 watts per channel, was weak in the bass and also a bit noisy and grainy. Was hoping the R8 would be the solution. So far - it's a step back. Much less enjoyable to listen to. I did just order a complete set of tubes, and will switch from the KT88s that I have in now to EL34s. Hopefully that, plus some burning in of the components will dramatically improve the sound. Otherwise, I'll be selling this amp and looking for another - perhaps the Class A sound is really what I'm looking for and just need it in a higher power version (say a Line Magnetic 845 amp or even the new Willsenton R800). What do you think??
@vinylrules48383 жыл бұрын
Give it some time for the electronics to burn in. Also, tubes have to be on for a while (warm up) to sound their best. Let us know what you think after running it a while and how you like it with the new tubes.
@joshuaschneck3 жыл бұрын
@@vinylrules4838 Hi. Here's an update. I changed all the stock tubes except the center power supply filter, swapping the KT88s for a matched set of Tung Sol EL34Bs. After about a month of listening and burning in, the amp is much improved over my first impressions: the overall sound of the amp is warmer and less fatiguing, with a much sweeter midrange, and I'm starting to understand why this amp is highly rated and recommended. So yes, I think this amp is a great value for the money provided you take some time and invest in better tubes. There is plenty of bass with the EL34s so switching from the KT88s is a no brainer in my opinion, but in fairness, I haven't tried rolling this amp with a nicer set of KT88s. In any case, not sure this will be my final amp, but for now, driving the Teckton Electron SE speakers, it sounds pretty darn good!
@vinylrules48383 жыл бұрын
@@joshuaschneck Thank you for the update. I figured better tubes would make a difference as well as some burn in of the electronics. Enjoy the music as that is what this hobby is all about. If you get further impressions or swap out the KT 88's, feel is posted. Thanks again!
@EngineeringVignettes3 жыл бұрын
Small comment/nit on something said in the review - Biasing is current balancing, not voltage. A voltage drop across a reference resistor (of known value) is how current is measured. So the voltage could be perceived as a side effect of current flow though an impedance. Who is the OEM for the Willsenton tubes? Assuming China or Russian. Maybe a good upgrade would be to order the cheaper EL84 version and throw some good balanced tubes in there (tested and matched), eg Tube Doctor or similar? Cheers,
@angelgrant16094 жыл бұрын
GOOD afternoon. I bought this amp based on your recommendations and I agree with you, for the money, best amp in my collection. Thank you,!! The question I have is that I also wanted to get the speakers you recommended, the tekton Double impact. Will this amp be enough to enjoy those speakers? Will I get the holographics and placement or should I get a speaker with more power? Thank you. keep up the great posts....
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
Yeap ! Great match with the DIs
@ScottRutledge3 жыл бұрын
Great review Jay, thanks I appreciate your insights as always. Did you try to drive any Magnepan’s by any chance - particularly interested in whether it can drive the LRS’s?
@dflebak3 жыл бұрын
Watching
@VariHapii3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all in depth reviews NBTS !!! Would you think this would be beefy enough to adequately drive a pair of KEF LS50's? Or would I be better off going for a beefier high current A/B w/ ~100 8ohm 200 4ohm wpc?
@Justwantahover2 жыл бұрын
How to make a trannie amp sound more "tuby". Obviously the least invasive way is to do it with speakers. I made speakers with 5" full range drivers in "oversized" boxes with a unique acoustic "gap" feature and they simply smoke my B&W 706 reference speakers! To make the speakers, get some 5" FR drivers with the metal phase plug that is stationary. Make or reuse speaker boxes that are like a squat floor stander size. Instead of fully mounting the driver in the hole, raise and mount the driver 1 cm above the hole (with the top screws) and 1.5 cm above the speaker hole (with the bottom screws). Use extended screws and use soft thin garden spray hose for the spacers. It is easily compressed with the screw, so make the spacers slightly longer to apply pressure on the driver. Now it's easy to mount the driver with the gap. An acoustic gap. BUT...you have to "bass vent" the driver hole by making a 40 mm deep 5" diameter tube running into the box from the hole. I made mine with polypipe too big and cut and re-bent to fit the driver hole (that is if you can't find tubing the right size). If you don't do that the speaker will fail, obviously. Put some wadding in and it's done. You can add a filter "crossover" but only mildly cos the acoustic gap does most of it. How do they sound? More spacial more holographic, amazing med life like sound. Highs are also extended by an "octave" with the acoustic gap. And the bass has a nice tubby kick drum sound. The sound is so life like that sometimes I'm startled cos I hear a "real" voice in my room and there is nobody else there. I played my speakers at a friend's gathering and somebody said there is someone yelling out and the dog barked. It was in the recording. A jet went past really low over my room once and as I looked out I realised it was in my speakers. And I OFTEN have to turn it right down to see if I can still hear some sounds. Sometimes it's hard to tell whether a sound is from outside or from my speakers. So you can have this experience too! I lent the speakers out and I asked them if my speakers sounded "different"? They said yes definitely. Then I asked if they liked the difference? And they said yes.
@Staybrown114 жыл бұрын
Great review Jay, if we match this with Buchardt S400 will we get the same sound as you describe in the video or are there some limitations with this match?
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
you will see those improvements I mentioned
@dwwjr564 жыл бұрын
Great review! I too would like to see it up against a Yaqin. I have the silk audio MC100SE which is a reworked Yaqin MC 100B. I also can’t wait for the review of the Tekton Lore Ref. I just bought a pair and would be interested in what you think. Keep up the great channel!
@PetraKann3 жыл бұрын
Useful and detailed review. I am currently looking at buying a Tube amplifier in this price range. Whilst I have some experience with vacuum tubes in guitar amplifiers I own, I dont have much with respect to amplifiers used in HiFi systems. The research I have done so far, suggests that vacuum tubes perform well in the pre-amp section of the signal path and present issues in the power output stage. There is usually a transformer inserted so that the power output tubs can match the low impedance of the speakers. This transformer can affect the bass frequencies and other things. At what point would you only use tubes for the pre-amp stage and use a solid state amplifier for the power stage? Should I invest in a fully tube powered integrated amp, or a hybrid amp that has a tube pre-amp stage and solid state power stage? (I know that with guitar amplifiers, the signal from your guitar is coloured by the pre-amp stage. The pre-amp stage is actually the part of the amplifier where the amp gets its unique characteristics from. The power stage merely amplifies these characteristics)
@saquibhussain60004 жыл бұрын
When ordering - in the voltage selection option, can you please confirm if we need to choose 110 or 120 for US? I am wanting a dual voltage option, but I'm not sure if I should choose 110/220 or 120/240 option.
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
120
@PlanetFrosty3 жыл бұрын
Excellent descriptive review! I’ve actually built Tube amplifiers in electronics class and a 5 Tube super het radio learning tube basics. I hope you’re following up on your masters degree-follow your dreams!
@drnislam4 жыл бұрын
Great review. Am now considering getting one. I think you had mentioned elsewhere that you like the Wilson Sabrina speakers. I have the Sabrinas (currently paired with a Naim Superuniti). Would you recommend the Willsenton R8 for the Sabrinas? Am looking to upgrade the amp for the Sabrinas and also potentially pairing the Willsenton with the Klipsch 600 for a 2nd listening room.
@joshuaschneck3 жыл бұрын
You're going to run a pair of $16,000 speakers with a $1100 amp?? Seems like a bit of a mismatch event if the R8 is a good value. I think you'll be getting a fraction of the performance you could out of your speakers
@kclee13 жыл бұрын
The R8's SQ might be ob par with any US made similar specs gear at $4,000.
@sfomann3 жыл бұрын
Can you please compare this with the MUZISHARE X5 EL34 or/and the MUZISHARE X7? Trying to decide between 2
@Mr.Robert1 Жыл бұрын
Question: Years ago when everything was tubes, I was able to go to my local electronic shop where they had an instrument that I was able to plug my tubes. It would test them let me know if they needed to be replaced or not, if they needed to be replaced all I had to do was go to the sales desk show The Man Behind the Counter what I needed and I would pay for a replacement. What happens when a tube Burns Out in this wonderful amplifier? That I have not listened or watched the video yet. I will watch it later in the day, but that's my question. How about anybody answering it before I do an internet search. Or call the actual company.
@Boban854 жыл бұрын
Jay, will you share with us which tubes you preferred, the el34s or the kt88s? Also, which tubes sounded better with the Focal Chora's you reviewed recently? Great review! Regards
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
El34 for vocals and instruments but kt88 has an upper hand in bass. With the choras... Same deal
@AudiolandCH3 жыл бұрын
Using it with KT88s (stock) will upgrade to better KT88s, its awesome
@BBnose4 жыл бұрын
Which brand and model was it knock-off from? McIntosh or Conrad Johnson? Just curious on this point more than how good the sound it can reproduce
@Raym0ndB894 жыл бұрын
It's a shame there isn't a pre-out for a subwoofer on This model.
@triumphlover74553 жыл бұрын
Raym0ndB89 If your sub has speaker inputs, simply run an extra set of speaker cables, which is the preferred connection anyway.
@johnanderson80964 жыл бұрын
Jay, your really hitting your stride... Excellent review!!!
@agentred87324 жыл бұрын
john anderson His *what* is hitting his stride? Does that hurt??
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
@@agentred8732 lmao
@hugoroussel12023 жыл бұрын
Excellent review Jay, thanks! I'm thinking of trying it out and go for both the KT88 and EL34 and compare. Since I've got a small room to appreciate the sound, EL34 will probably be better, I'll see. A question for you : I live in Quebec, Canada and to order the product via China-Hifi, they have 10 different choices for voltage. I'm far from being an expert but since I live in North America, I guess 110 V is the choice to make?
@OSQQ1234 жыл бұрын
Very tempted by this amplifier, but wondering if it is would be worth it to increase the budget and buy a Line Magnetic that has a better reputation. What I regret is that, although hundreds of this amp have been sold, there aren't a lot of reviews and videos in the internet
@orwhat244 жыл бұрын
Great review: comprehensive and clear. Your review of the Hegel 90 with LRS was also tantalizing! Now off I go to the listening room in my head for the imaginary shootout!
@shattankov19913 жыл бұрын
I missing the review part... Where is measurements and graphs? I only see a person who reads from marketing booklet.
@jsmctch4 жыл бұрын
Jay, would love to hear your thoughts on Primaluna's higher models. Have you heard them. Would you maybe review one in the near future?
@tobbietsai3924 жыл бұрын
Great review, Jay. Really enjoy it. What about the noise floor of r8? You mentioned you paired it with the double impact, since the double impact's sensitivity is rated 98db, did you find any hiss from time? Thanks. Keep doing the great works.
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
low noise floor
@HALJOH94 жыл бұрын
@nbtstudio, Will the denafrips dac be a good match with the willsenton R8? Or what dac would you recomend?
@ufarkingicehole3 жыл бұрын
Buy Loxjie d50 and then never think about DACS again.
@davidlambert38923 жыл бұрын
Question. Does the R8 have a volume control that ramps up slowly or does it have more of a 'hair trigger' volume control? I used to own a tube integrated that had a really bad hair trigger volume control. Volume went from nothing to loud by turning the volume control about 1/4 of an inch! I had to get rid of that integrated.
@magzimuz4 жыл бұрын
Great review video, however I'd like to know how this compares with other Tube giants in the market like PrimaLuna, McIntosh and Unison Research etc.
@trekjudas4 жыл бұрын
This amp is good but i doubt it can compete with the Prima Luna.
@blade15353 жыл бұрын
@@trekjudas I get the feeling a lot of these cheaper tube amps are copying a lot of the other bigger brands also made in china. Alot of similarities in this amp to Cayin.
@trekjudas3 жыл бұрын
@@blade1535 There are a LOT of design similarities!
@blade15353 жыл бұрын
@@trekjudas PrimaLuna is Dutch designed made in China, Cayin is German designed made in the same factory. Intellectual property and designs don’t mean a lot in China and surely a lot of these circuit and styling designs have been copied to cheaper unknown brands.
@trekjudas3 жыл бұрын
@@blade1535 That's what reviewers are for. To tell us if the stuff is actually any good or not.
@chillandnothing4 жыл бұрын
Very good review Jay. What source did you use with this amplifier? I see that the input sensitivity is small on their website (380mv (when Integrated amp input), 820mv (when pure power amp input) ). I am asking this because most DACs or other sources have 2V output? How many volts does your source have? Thank you and good luck with the channel!
@sambates14374 жыл бұрын
@The Next Best Thing Studio Magnepan LRS? I have heard that tubes amps with exactly the specs of this unit can be a great fit for them....! Can you give it a try and confirm that? If it works with them, I will get one on order ASAP. Thanks for all that you do with your channel.
@josephsolin4 жыл бұрын
I have the same question. Hoping he replies.
@yeechung47654 жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT explanation . Especially for new tube amp user
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
thanks !
@edwardbalboa55283 жыл бұрын
Incredible amp ... All the different tube options and triode option .... It's like 4 amps in one
@trekjudas4 жыл бұрын
I finally got it!! Damn that shipping is long! Ok, anybody who gets one you have to hold the bias switch down and turn the knob AT THE SAME TIME! DAMN, INSTRUCTIONS DON'T TELL YA THAT!
@flormanjr4 жыл бұрын
Jay, I want to try this Willsenton R8 tube amp on my Elac Uni-Fi F5 slim. I see you carry this Elac model in your intro to your Audio Excellence channel. You mentioned tube wattage is different. Together will they be a good match? I learned to trust your audiophile ears after watching your reviews of high end equipment
@Jayiyagi4 жыл бұрын
Havent tried it with that elac specifically but I would imagine it to be a good match. Take it with a grain of salt since I have no direct experience with that pairing
@joseeduardomendoza35653 жыл бұрын
Would you make a review of Willsenton R800i? How do you rate this amplifiers compared to McIntosh MA252?
@ufarkingicehole3 жыл бұрын
Can't find anything on the willenston r800i. I have heard that the 300 tubes are THE tubes to have but nothing beyond that
@77Cardinal4 жыл бұрын
Glad I found this thanks Jay. The biasing setup and selection of modes are a real value. I've been using a modest collection of HiFi gear for years and my son is getting into it too. Music and audio keep us connected.
@miles5142 жыл бұрын
Will you recommend this for a first time tube user?
@77Cardinal2 жыл бұрын
@@miles514 Yes. In part because of the features that make it easy to use.
@sambates14374 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have been enjoying (subscribed) your channel for a couple of years now! My question is whether you have tried the Willsenton R8 with Magnepan, specifically the LRS? (my pair will arrive later this month). I have read that a sufficiently powerful tube amp (usually in ultra-linear mode) can really make the Maggies shine... I would love it if you could verify that! Thanks for all that you do, Sam
@latle1114 жыл бұрын
In the comment section he said it droved the LRS really well and added sweetness and warmth to the LRS. Impressive considering how hard it is to drive LRS
@jmgoodmanuk4 жыл бұрын
Damn, wasn't in the market for an integrated tube amp but now I am reconsidering! I guess it would really compliment my office B&W DM602 speakers lol. Do you think the headphone section would be superior to the Bottlehead Crack (with Speedball Upgrade), which I already own? Thanks
@robbiet0073 жыл бұрын
I saw the Willsenton R-800i 300B 805 tube Integrated Amplifier Single-ended Class A power and wondered if this was going to be reviewed.
@JPWinters4 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, great review. On china-hifi do they have any tube amps with a subwoofer out? I am looking & it's a little hard to see on the pictures.
@MrPkimura4 жыл бұрын
I took the plunge. I'm looking forward to hooking it up when it arrives and pressing 'PLAY'
@audiomacaudiomac50194 жыл бұрын
Did you receive your unit? I ordered one too back when Jay said it was in stock and have been following up with the mfr but haven't seen it shipped yet.
@MrPkimura4 жыл бұрын
@@audiomacaudiomac5019 I have not. I ordered the unit on 4/7 and have not received a shipping confirmation despite my requests. Getting kind of worried...
@MrPkimura4 жыл бұрын
@@audiomacaudiomac5019 Mr. Lee responded and said that there's a longer wait time for the silver color. Didn't make sense to me but I guess it is what it is...
@audiomacaudiomac50194 жыл бұрын
@@MrPkimura I just received my unit today. I ordered it on 4/5. Everything is in working order. The unit looks impressive. After I let it sit for a few hours in the house, I hooked it up and adjusted the bias and it is singing beautifully now. It sounds great out of the box. I think it sounds better then the Muzishare unit I had tried out a few months ago. That unit sounded a little bright in my system and the bass was bloated. This unit sounds very full with authority. Will continue to burn it in for a few hundred hrs and compare it to the denafrips combo and Freya+ & Crown XLS 2502 combo. My speakers are Usher Mini Dancer II with the diamond tweeter. My source is the Audio Mirror TubeAdour III SE. Digital is from a PC to Singxer SU-1 with Uptone power supply and USB thing.
@OSQQ1234 жыл бұрын
Audiomac Audiomac have you compared it with Muzishare X7? What are your conclusions ?
@AudiolandCH3 жыл бұрын
I kind of based my purchase of the R8 on top of this review. I'm so happy. Delivery was expensive but took only 1 month. Couldn't ask for more. It's awesome. So crisp, sound stage is awesome and the sound is just like on clouds. Pairing them with Focal Chora 826Ds. At the moment hooked up Nvidia Shield with Tidal to Marantz AVR 6010, and L/R as preout to the willsenton r8. Next upgrade is a good Streamer/DAC and some better Power cables, excited to get more out of this thing.
@Mr71chevyvan4 жыл бұрын
if i may clarify your statement about SS v tube amp distortion. yes tubes have higher distortion but its even harmonic which is like a group singing in harmony. SS distortion is you know someone is slightly off key but barely noticeable. i prefer my 12 watts per channel tube amp driving an original pair of advent spkrs.. when i play analog vinyl i'm in hog heaven.
@stephencosta68144 жыл бұрын
😜👌
@dougg107511 ай бұрын
It’s funny how deadpan you used to be. Improved greatly