Hot take: Worst part of halo one: Assault on the control room

Yes! Or if the whole place could change due to weather patterns and seasons

Yes I hope we get MORE!!! open world in the future

@@cosmictreason2242 proof?

@@cosmictreason2242 ok that makes sense

My hope prior to us knowing there was only one biome was that there would be smaller hubs of sorts on different parts of the ring, with missions attached to each. Such a shame 343 couldn't get their act together as most of the gameplay fundamentals in Infinite are fairly solid, it just massively lacks variety.

I'd play that game. Grunt cakes? Brute wellington? Peanut butter jackal? Sign me up.

Me when I lie

Agreed my man, love it to death.

The Bungie era games are timeless classics. Everything else is not

Couldn't get away with talking about it two videos in a row haha.

@@cosmictreason2242 That's all very true...got nothing on her father that is for sure!

It’s way too short of a campaign frfr

​@@dustinroberts3445Its way too short and basically made the Arbiter irrelevant. He had like 2 moments to contribute throughout the whole thing

@@cosmictreason2242 She is indeed consistent, she also asked for permission to fight an assault carrier with a frigate.. twice.

One word: Library. Alternatively, two words: Infinite enemies.

When I play halo ce, I see the repentance of the same areas so often I just get lost on the map, that's how little to no variety chapter locations have

It's insanely repetitive. I like the gunplay but I just can't get myself to play through the last half. The flood are also ass to fight.

out of every other alternative that the devs had available during that development hell, I truly believe they made the most of what they had, and did it in a spectacular fashion - not perfect obviously, but to this day as a hardcore diehard CE enjoyer, neither of the second half missions got boring or too repetitive for me.. quite the opposite, somehow I find the first half of missions to be a chore sometimes, even though I like them a lot. PoA can be done in roughly 5 minutes even on legendary, I just grinded that level to the ground for challenges, speedruns and trying to beat the high score. Halo is extremely good for coop, another thing that me and my friend has done to death. TnR is the first time I feel the repetition kick in due to the uninspired corridors, but the firefights inside the hangar and under the grav lift is again, phenomenal (had real trouble with the lift on legendary for quite some time, until I realized on my own that I could save those frags to wipe everything except the elites if timed properly) Silent Cartographer is THE halo level for me.. and unfortunately another I've played to death in the early 2000's because I only had access to halo trial version. AotCR for the longest was my favourite level, but once again overplayed and speedran it too many times to keep it interesting. Done every possible version, no vehicles, stealing the banshee in the beginning, hogs only, trying to get the second banshee during the wraith section to fly up to the bridges near the end, so on and so forth.. 343GS is simply my least favourite because of the trauma lmao but once I got over it, trying to keep the marines alive made it such a good mission near the end. As for the rest, library, while feeling like another chore, provides probably the biggest difficulty obstacle, especially if you try to do it deathless/no shotgun (the magnum really shines here with its +50% bonus damage to flood), Two Betrayals.. honestly chefs kiss, I can comfortably slog through it in around 35 minutes if I want to enjoy it to the max, but in coop it can provide almost one and half hours of fun which I really appreciate. Keyes is extremely good to practice speedrunning and so many people forget that it does have an entirely new section once you jump out of TnR where you can experience a threeway battle, and the Maw.. honestly feels like my old favourite, so many things to try and attempt (like getting into the invisible flood room) All in all, if someone enjoys CE for what it is and what it represents, I find it hard to find any real criticism about it when we take into consideration what the devs went through to produce it - obviously it can be said about a lot of things, but the difference is that CE was the one to shape and shift the gaming industry with what it had, and for the better I might add. Obviously if the devs had more favourable opportunities then it would have became even better (originally, H2 would have included the entirety of H3.. and I think we all agree we got better off because it became a seperate game) but it can't be denied that somehow CE became universally praised, and it did so with just 8 different guns lmao, if anything, that should have been criticized but it did so in such a spectacular fashion that each gun had a distinct feeling and role in the sandbox that left every player wanting more, and leaving a sour taste in the mouth of many who simply didn't have enough of it, and found the problem in the repeated levels. I feel like rambling again, and I'm trying not to be biased towards it, but those people really have to lean back, take the levels in slowly while appreciating what we were given when we take the circumstances into the equation.

The only one I have a problem with is two betrayals the maw and Keyes are my favorite levels in the game

That's an issue I've moaned about a few times in the past too mate. It's ridiculous how little ammo a lot of the guns have, gets so tedious having to switch when you've already found a loadout you enjoy.

It was wild that 343 looked at the plasma pistol from Reach and thought “you know what, this gun’s standard shots are too OP. Let’s make them use 5x ammo per shot”

@@cosmictreason2242 I actually didn’t mind the UNSC weapon sounds, but boy I wish they put care into the rest of the sandbox. The Storm Rifle might as well not have any sound and is barely audible over music and the Storm Rifle, Light Rifle, and Suppressor sound pathetically anemic. There’s a way to make pew pew zap alien weapons sound punchy, and to 5’s credit I really like the Supressor’s sound there, as well as what Infinite did with the Stalker Rifle, Disruptor, and Shock Rifle.

the prometheon weapons sandbox to me was just horrible, turning people into cornflakes in the mutiplauer was quite fun though, think halo 5 weirdly enough did alot better, they all felt unique and kinda fun, the halo 5 bolts boltshot is strangely one of my favourite guns from the franchise, but 4, I hated when I ran out of ammo in the unsc guns 5 minutes into the mission and was stuck using the boring crappy prometheon weapons in 4 for the entire rest of the mission

Halo 4 had a huge problem of prioritizing the story first over game play. CE would tell great story beats that helped game play all the time like on 343 guilty spark the dead marines with the jackels. It gave good story beats and ammo and guns while pointing the player in the right direction. Halo 4 had so many moments that felt the opposite. Like why the hell do I not have marines coming with me on the only level I get to fly a pelican? If the story had you not going on your own than you could encounter more dead marines to replenish your ammo on. That's game play above story.

@@cosmictreason2242 yeah but most of the time i shoot them

Haha yeh you are basically still just a Spartan, no real change in survivability.

Yeah, I remember a developer commentary where they said they thought of doing that, and your stats are still weaker, but it was more fun to continue punching wraiths. @cosmictreason2242 Noticed that myself, but never counted. Back when I started Halo, the campaigns were still receiving a ton of flak for not being as long as Half-Life.

I always felt you could move around with a ripped off turret faster as a ODST than a spartan 😅

@@cosmictreason2242 And yet the Brutes are still nowhere near intimidating because you can still dance around them as you beat them to death

This is aa totally fair criticism. I actually never had too many issues with it until people started pointing it out to me and I really paid attention, not sure how.

That and aiming the gun. The cannon and machine gun never seemed to shoot straight for me

I was cross mapping my friend in that thing. I don't know what it was but my aim was just next level in that vehicle only. Complete outlier

With 6 pedals when there are only 4 directions, what do you expect?

Well put praise. I was so enthralled with the opening of halo 5, the movement squad, hits of development.....it just never ended up going anywhere really

@@cosmictreason2242infinite did the best thing with a bad situation. It told a great personal story and got us QUICKLY out of the hole H5 dug.

As mentioned in the video, it's them bringing back Cortana that really gets me. For all of 343's flaws, I think they did such a brilliant job with her send off, so was such a shame to see them retcon it so quickly.

Yeah and Halo 5 has a lot of flaws, like everything

The worst thing by far, is Halo 5

⁠​⁠@@BenPlaysGames yeah Cortana’s return and making her the main villain and killing her again is what really bugged me in Halo 5 and infinite

​@@cosmictreason2242I mean if you squint really hard, they can mesh together 😂

Ong, many talk shit about reusing levels, Halo CE would be as legendary with half of the levels, it brought a lot more than the games it competed with

Halo CE is one of those games that made so much with so little it’s one of those standout game’s comparatively to its other games considering it was released on the OG xbox it’s like fallout 2 utilizing its limitations to create an unforgettable atmosphere

@@59spadesofalife52 Halo CE was revolutionary, it pains me to hear it criticized by today’s standards, game is easily S++ Tier

The funny part is even Bungie devs agree the levels were way too long lmao. Death of the author at its finest.

I love having shields and health, it's a much better system in my view than just having shields. Also, feel your pain regarding the 'return to battlefield message' - I remember getting tilted by it playing the first Call of Duty back in the day, was the first time I'd ever come across it.

@@BenPlaysGames absolutely It's always a pain when invisible barriers/kill timers keep you from getting into clearly accessible areas. They got worse with each new game too. Including the COD series

I understand why a developer may want them, but at the very least, there could be a skull or Easter egg to trigger and disable them. Hell, 2-3 of Reach’s levels do have that.

@@BenPlaysGames I honestly wish Halo would bring back the health system (either in Reach form, CE form or something slightly different). That combination of permanent consequenses (until you find a medpack) but always have some health is so great.

Cheers skip! Man, I love Bottom so much. I'm a huge Rik Mayall fan, even went to see him do the New Statesman live (also, watch the New Statesman if you haven't, it's cracking). On the topic of British comedy, I'm currently rewatching The Thick of It for about the fifteenth time. Cannot recommend it enough either, my favourite programme of all time.

I actually might watch the camping episode of Bottom tonight now you've mentioned it, top tier telly.

@@BenPlaysGames Squatting Neville.

@@BenPlaysGames I miss Rik so much. Cannot recall how many times I saw Drop Dead Fred when I was young lad haha.

The Halo 2 anniversary cut scenes are great but makes zero sense considering 5's actual story. Whole thing is so bizarre!

Thanks mate! I absolutely adore Titanfall 2, but I've already done individual level analysis, a retrospective and a 'which level is best' for that. My other faves are Silent Hill (which I may well dip into at some point in the future), Metal Gear Solid and Resident Evil (probably my most loved along with Halo). In terms of covering any of them, let's just say I've been playing a lot of Resident Evil Village and Resident Evil 4 remake recently.

It’s really not a full game though, campaign takes maybe 3 hours and just has firefight, no multiplayer. What we got is good just wayyyy too short and not fleshed out enough.

@@theccarbiter True enough. But I enjoyed it

@@lFunGuyl so did I

Love the ideas about Halo 3 ODST…. Really wish how many of those ideas had been implemented

Halo 5’s hype up on Locke hunting down Chief was UNREAL. The trailer with Muse’s “Knights of Cydonia” had me ready for an amazing story about Chief going awol over the loss of Cortana and Locke properly hunting him down only to realize at the very end Chief was saving the world…. And i feel like it was not at all what was given. I do think we could have gotten that, but negative commentary during build up may have scared 343 into some story changes late into production.

Finally, Halo Infinite. I LOVE the open world concept, mixed in with the occasional sprinkled in classic Halo linear levels, it works very well. However I completely agree, all the open world missions are the same. If you’re going to do an open world game, you need to do some questing. Imagine a Halo Infinite where instead of finding every Armor Core just laying around, you actually are given quests at FOB’s after capturing them of spartans last known locations, and you have to go investigate what happened to them. And where are all the Spartans!? Are you telling me EVERY single one of them is dead?? But Marines are still alive?? The slogan of the entire series “spartans never die” really just feels lost in this game. Infinity had so many spartans on it, it feels very strange we dont get to see any/ help (actually) rescue any/ find some holed up trying to protect marines on the ring. I was hoping for a more Skyrim like experience with option quests scattered around the game, but alas. Hopefully next time

No wozzas! 4 and 5 I can take or leave but I'd say Infinite is worth a playthrough. It's not as good as any Bungie efforts but it's definitely good for at least one run through.

Word of advice; Keep it that way. Don’t ever touch the 343 games. Master Chief is still floating in space after the events of Halo 3 waiting for humanity to find and rescue him.

@@BenPlaysGames I have never played 5 nor Infinite, and with 343 currently having no plans bringing them to the MCC and the fact only Infinite is available on Steam, I don't think I will any time soon. People called so much trash about 4 but I still enjoyed playing it. And because of that, I don't want to jump into Infinite without having played 5, even if it is still considerd so trash. So, unless they decide to port it to PC, I'll just keep on grinding achievements on the MCC :P

​@@yincimaster8530 im with you there bro. I can't believe someone would actually recommend playing infinite over Halo 4. Halo 4 was not that bad, it was quite good- I preferred it in many ways overreach, but so many people these days will Overlook all the bad things about Halo Reach just to clean that it's better than 4.

Yep, even Marty O'Donnell said about that Legendary was not properly QA tested before being shipped. All the people that says about growing up as a man in this game are frankly ridiculous. Even a grown ass man (like myself now) is going to absolutely struggle through this on legendary, doesn't matter who it is (I first played this in 2005 after it came out and was scared to play it beyond heroic difficulty, at the time, but now have beaten all the games on the hardest difficulty without all skulls on once you know all the tricks on getting through it, which is the part of why Halo 2 sucks gameplay wise, not story though). I actually almost wish 343 would develop a new balanced difficulty for Halo 2's legendary difficulty for the MCC and not just keep the original legendary as is, they really should revisit this and fix it so more people can actually beat it and not make it so impossible like Bungie made it.

Skull to get rid of them is a terrific idea!

@@BenPlaysGames I'm honored. Ask the MCC modding community lol 😂

@@jo3y960 It is very much possible to remove the slowdown from those segments. It's not too hard. Hell, I removed the slowdown in my own Halo 3 campaign revamp mod. And I've never seen any problems come from it besides some visual oddities. A missed checkpoint at worst.

No

In saying that I also agree with everything you said on tha matter too lol