The BEST Bear Rifles

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@ericneilson9151 Ай бұрын

338 Win . 40 years hunting in Alaska.

@billfrederickfrederick2791 18 күн бұрын

I would agree with that choice... provided the hunter can handle the recoil....The 338 win mag can deliver some powerful energy downrange at the expense of heavy recoil. I remember complaining to my local gunsmith about the recoil from some rather stout 338-06 handloads ...He chuckled and then with a stern attitude asked me what the he&& was I expecting...lol

@AndyYoung789 15 күн бұрын

Get anything?

@4NaturesStory 12 күн бұрын

@@AndyYoung789😂

@HobbitHomes263 Ай бұрын

i'll make this easy. Best Moose Rifle- 30-06 Best Elk Rifle- 30-06 Best Mulie Rifle- 30-06 Best Bear Rifle - 30-06 Best Whitetail Rifle 30-06 Best Antelope Rifle 30-06 Best long range burglar rifle- 30-06 Best EV Rifle - 30-06

@imissyoumom7644 Ай бұрын

Absolutely. All these new cartridges are unneeded.

@Choff1776 Ай бұрын

Yes, your absolutely right. But What most people don't Say Is it needs to be a heavy Grain, like a Remington Core-Lokt 30-06 Springfield 220 gr Core-Lokt Soft Round or 200 Grain. Ideally Minimum of of 180 gr. It’s Amazes How many Outdoorsmen don’t Know that or even Think about that. Almost Everbody inherits a 30-06, Has a close relative with a 30-06, or can go to the local gun store and Find an Affordable 30-06 at the local gun store. The most accurate affordable mid price 30-06 rifles are by far made by Ruger. Now Yes, 44 Mag min is Ideal! If all you haveis a 357 mag 180 grain hard cast bullets minimum should be used. HSM makes Bear Load. Double Tap makes 200 grain hard cast bullets as well. If You want use a Glock or Semi Handgun 10mm Hard Cast 200-220 grain but at least 200 Hard Cast Minimum Should be used. HSM and Underwood make those types of bullets as well as Double Tap. If all you have is a 45 ACP 250-255 Grain +P bullets should be used minimum. Underwood makes affordable rounds that fit that description.

@Seahawks12THMAN54 Ай бұрын

@@imissyoumom7644wanna know what’s great about all these new hyped up cartridges?! the 30.06 is left behind, meaning reloading 30.06 is cheaper and finding bullets and cases is always easier to find in stock.

@matthewvassoff5736 Ай бұрын

Gun, Caliber, Bullet choice, Shot placement👍🇺🇸

@user-eg8hb8xt3j Ай бұрын

35 whelen is my go too . Can’t argue that the 3006 isn’t great tho . It is

@davidneal6920 Ай бұрын

I would never give a rifle to a bear

@waynehendrix4806 Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@paulvandenberg5341 Ай бұрын

😊😅😂

@FallHuntsman 29 күн бұрын

They have a right to bear arms.

@alexvel6224 21 күн бұрын

They have the right to arms bear

@4NaturesStory 12 күн бұрын

I know! It’s so irresponsible. 🤯🇺🇸🍻

@lesterandvaleriegreene8829 Ай бұрын

Hard to beat the old 300 win mag.

@johndegroot8664 Ай бұрын

300 RUM

@strat1080 Ай бұрын

I agree. I’ve pretty much settled on the 300 Win Mag for everything.

@strat1080 Ай бұрын

@@johndegroot8664 the 300 RUM is pointless. Once you get past 300 Win Mag ballistics in a 30 cal all your doing is creating unnecessary recoil, stressing projectile design, and creating bloodshot meat with outlandish impact velocities. You should really step up in caliber once you’ve reached that level of recoil.

@BlairStOnge Ай бұрын

I don’t know how the 35 Whelen isn’t one of the first cartridges mentioned for black bear. It should be in every conversation for brown bears as well.

@mikecollard3783 Ай бұрын

Agreed. Often imitated, never duplicated.

@45-70Guy Ай бұрын

One of my favorites. Especially with the newer powders and Bullets it’s very capable. My current setup with North Fork-Barnes and a maximum range of 400 yards works so far. Anything after that is too far for my skill level and gear system. My preference being 300 and in which has become my go to. Hope to put everything to the test at those ranges this year.

@BlairStOnge Ай бұрын

@@45-70Guy you’re right. The new Speer and Sierra data puts the Whelen equal to the 358 Norma. I’d love to see some updated data for the Norma. It would be contending with the 358 STA

@45-70Guy Ай бұрын

@@BlairStOngeif we go with longer barrels also it’s really pushing on the 338WM but in a lighter recoil and also larger diameter bullet. There are a few Guys with custom rifles and longer barrels hunting with the whelen doing 2800-2900 with 225’s and 2700 with 250’s. I personally am not running them that fast but still with current bullet technology and faster than original speeds it’s still an awesome and viable cartridge. 358 stuff never caught on but that just means their missing out

@BlairStOnge Ай бұрын

@@45-70Guy I’m one of them. I’m getting 2930fps with the 225gr game kings using CFE223 and a 26” barrel. Even good ol’ Varget pushes them to 2875fps in that barrel.

@BornAgain2019 Ай бұрын

Most calibers adequate for medium to large game work but I tend to gravitate to 30 cal and up insuring proper ventlation of the cavity and make for better blood trails. Hair and fat tend to seal up wounds.

@evanwindom Ай бұрын

Agreed. I've only taken two, both with a .300 WSM. One dropped in its tracks, and the other ran maybe 20 yards before it dropped and rolled down into a ravine. There was very little blood in either case. It mats up in the hair, just as you said. Both were 180gr bonded bullets.

@BornAgain2019 Ай бұрын

@@JobyFluorine-ru4bd for me I"ll grab one of the following. 308, 30/06, 300 WM, 300 RCM, 35 Whelen or 45/70. But if I happened to be carrying my 7mm08 or 270 with well constructed bullets I wouldnt feel undergunned.

@kentuckywindage222 Ай бұрын

@@BornAgain2019 I'm no expert but I agree and would add a couple. By the way, BornAgain is a great name!

@BornAgain2019 Ай бұрын

@@kentuckywindage222 those are just a few that I have in my repertoire that make sense. I know I could take bear with my 243 and 6.5 Creedmoor and if I had my 22/250 or one of my 223/ 5.56 in hand with well placed bullets they would more than likely do the job but like I said I would rather err on the side of caution. Blessings to you brother, I pray everyone gets baptized in the Holy Spirit and is born again (Saved) before it's too late. Time is short.

@billfrederickfrederick2791 Ай бұрын

For black bear yes,but for grizzlies,and brown bears you are definitely under gunned

@mollybug9325 Ай бұрын

I started with 454 Casull, moved up to 460 S&W magnum. 260 grain flat point on both, while fishing. While hunting in AK, We hunted Sitka black tails with a 338 win mag. We were stalked by a coastal brown bear that we could not see in the rain forest. The gunshot is a dinner bell for bears. Now we find that gun shots are dinner bells for lions in Colorado.

@michaellewis5624 Ай бұрын

I choose 35 whelen for everything! Small to large. I'm fond of the 338win and 300win. But 35 whelen is my go-to.

@lonewolf286 Ай бұрын

Gaston Dalton our neighbor back in 1950 had a black bear in his spring house. It weighed 500 lb. He shot at one time. The back of the head of the 22 LR killed it dead

@AndyYoung789 15 күн бұрын

And he was 500 yards off!

@sbacsigadget Ай бұрын

I myself like large caliber or should I say medium caliber. .338 Win mag

@Coonhound719 Ай бұрын

100%!! Been necking up 7mm rem mag brass because i can’t find any 338 win brass!

@TexasLonghornRanch Ай бұрын

375 H&H Magnum - all bears including polar bears.

@NCWoodlandRoamer Ай бұрын

Right on!

@coreymerrill3257 Ай бұрын

Yessir , that's good for the biggest and toughest bears . Calm or charging , in close or at 200-300 yards. Lots of penetration , good trajectory and just all around a great cartridge for hunting in general.

@jackdundon2261 Ай бұрын

375 ultra mag. H and h is kinda light on BIG critters.

@andrewcleveland Ай бұрын

Love the 375’s, but personally I like the 416 rem mag more. Current loads are 340 woodleigh pp at 2700 fps and 300 gr tsx at 2800 fps.

@craigleibbrand7761 10 күн бұрын

340 Weatherby for big bear

@billwendorf2703 7 күн бұрын

Ron, Quite simply your'e the best! Living the dream buddy.God Bless

@davidjanzen5728 Ай бұрын

9.3x62, got it all covered!

@joshkrebs1999 Ай бұрын

I recently purchased a rifle in 35 whelen. I haven't hunted with it yet, but I'm really impressed with how easy that cartridge is to shoot and the power it seems to have. It just might become my main 300-yard general purpose hunting rifle.

@NCWoodlandRoamer Ай бұрын

Man I’m thinking about building one but the only thing holding me back is bullet selection/ availability.

@user-eg8hb8xt3j Ай бұрын

@@NCWoodlandRoamerdo it ! You won’t regret it

@user-eg8hb8xt3j Ай бұрын

@@NCWoodlandRoamerthere is more selection as you think , Remington , Hornady , barns , nosler and federal all load for it . I really like the 200 grain barns and the 225 acubonds

@HypocriticYT Ай бұрын

Speer HotCor bullets work very well and won’t break the bank

@robertpetersson5655 Ай бұрын

@@user-eg8hb8xt3j Norma oryx and woodleigh

@jamiehurtt3530 Ай бұрын

The 35 whelen bolt action is the all around go to rifle that does it all out to 400 yds on all big game in North America. It works well enough from. Woodland Caribou amd dall sheep to yukon moose and is a thumper in big bear without that sharp Super magnum recoil

@10-4CodyWade Ай бұрын

You guys should know better than to compare energy numbers between the 7mm-08 and 44 mag. They use different mechanisms to cause damage so its irrelevant to say the 7mm-08 has 3x the energy. That same 7mm-08 has 50% more energy than a 12 gauge shotgun slug, but which one would you choose for bear defense? If you look at momentum instead of energy you'll see that a 44 mag and 7mm-08 are quite similar in performance, with the 12 gauge beating both of them by 1.5x.

@mostachiocam1598 Ай бұрын

325 WSM is my go to

@danfraser7479 Ай бұрын

35 whelen work just fine on brown and black bear.

@tacticalskiffs8134 Ай бұрын

I don't know if enough has changed, but back a while, Rifle carried two reports on guides, grizzlies, and clients. Universal finding was that both number of rounds fired by the guides, and the clients were far lower if the cartridge was a 338 mag category. Basically the wheels came off with the "stopping rifles". And even the guides did worse when forced to deal with those situations, understandably. There were two camps reviewed, one felt the guides did better cleaning up with 375s. But the other camp was so serious about the 338s for clients, that they wouldn't let guides carry the better 375s. The thinking was that when they got asked "what do your guides shoot", and the answer was 375s, the clients would bite off more than they could chew. And the guides were still heads well above water, when armed with the 338s. The data reflected every shot fired at bears over a season, by clients and guides.

@leveractiongypsy1848 Ай бұрын

I worked California Dept of Fish & Game 1997-1999 in the Yolla Bolly Wilderness and Mendicino county Region 2. I believe it was 1998 a hunter brought it a huge 675lb black bear he took in the Yolla-Bollys. Consensus is massive amount of oak trees and acorns was the fattening factor

@Dani-hl3xu Ай бұрын

In germany we like the 8x57 200 grain at 2750 is no joke

@deej9367 Ай бұрын

The 8x57 is a great cartridge.

@imissyoumom7644 Ай бұрын

That’s a great load

@manfredkrenn445 Ай бұрын

8x68s !!!!! kind regards from Austria 🇦🇹

@andrewcleveland Ай бұрын

That is an awesome cartridge. Unfortunately not well known here in the states.

@elpasowrangler Ай бұрын

I remember reading the Alaska Fish and Game suggested people hunting bears carry a 30-06 with a 210 grain bullet. The feling was that most people could handle it or shouldn't be out in bear country.

@Scatube668 Ай бұрын

I think that is the minimum

@HobbitHomes263 Ай бұрын

My grandma filled her elk take every year since I was born in 1955 with a Savage M99 in 243. Her notion was "If you have to shoot elk from 500 yards, you're a fine marksman but you ain't much of a hunter". Grandpa would roll his eyes, point a thumb at her an say. "She just says that cuz she's the snealiest woman on Earth.

@strat1080 Ай бұрын

I see stuff like this posted all the time. Well, it’s not 1955 anymore. Elk and Mule deer hunting is harder than it was back then. There is a lot of hunting pressure and strict hunt ing regulations now. I used to hunt Elk on public land in Colorado. You’re lucky if you saw an Elk all week, and even luckier if you could get within 450 yards of one on public land. The average success rate for Elk for an unguided hunter on public land is well under 20%. Don’t use cartridges that severely limit your ability to harvest an Elk in the conditions you expect to find them. Prepare and be ready to take shots past 300 yards.

@HobbitHomes263 10 күн бұрын

I was a guide up here in Montana for 30 years up until a couple years ago. I hunted my own elk with my first hunt in 1968. All on public land. Unguided success rates up here are around 10%. Guided hunts are at around 70%. I'm our camp just about every hunter had a shot. The number one cause was flinching. Second was unfamiliarity with the weapon beyond 100 yards. I'll take a sneaky skillful patient hunter over the latest Earschplitten Loutenboomer every time

@ralphbernieri3362 Ай бұрын

Good Video boys; Sipping coffee and taking all the info in! My all round Bear/Elk gun-.35 Whelen

@elizabethnybeck9935 Ай бұрын

I use 7x57 or 8x57 mauser

@stevekotch822 Ай бұрын

9.3x62

@peterhert9350 Ай бұрын

9,3x64

@johnleahu9503 Ай бұрын

It's an amazing round!!

@tdm5100 Ай бұрын

9,3X57

@squat1123 Ай бұрын

essentially, the 30-06 necked up to .366 except for a thousandth here or a thousandth there.

@RandyMan388 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the video gents. May all your days afield be great.

@anthonyrstrawbridge Ай бұрын

Much appreciation for all the bear hunters for keeping us a bit safer. I don't want to be poking around in the woods testing bear temperament at all. It's interesting how the significant specifications priortize with dangerous animals. Projectile sectional density and composition, Energy, Velocity, Wind Component, and finally accuracy. That said, reliable and handy are probably at the top of the list. This is all way off from any experience I know of first hand but it's interesting to compare what I've learned. I was mostly ignorant of the 338- 3006 wildcat developed by the " Rifleman" Col. Whelen and his armorer Howe. Hold on now, this 67.7 grain capacity case can launch 220gr 358 cal. projectiles where the Parent Cartridge dropped out at 180-210 grains. Plus, the factory loadings are specified to slightly higher pressures. And the larger bore diameter makes the barrel much lighter with the ability to decrease barrel length well below 24" and increasing the taper and rigidity. Lighter, shorter, deadly game energy and standardized reliability. Probably the most amazing impressive first class grade A select choice numero uno might just be that the 35 Whelen Cartridge built properly will recoil with less than 24# recoil energy - like a 308 or 7mm. Add to the list, seeing your shot and expedited follow up.

@curtishunter6725 2 ай бұрын

Never bear hunted but have hunted in bear country usually elk. I either used 7 mag but later I used 300 short mag. Figured it would do the trick. Not all encounters are dangerous!!!!!!

@csjrogerson2377 Ай бұрын

I first heard the term "Went all floppy" from an old Rhodesian Reservist who fought the insurgents in the Rhodesian Bush War. Used to go out on patrols for a week or so. Called it "Going to slot a floppy". "Why a floppy," I'd ask? "Coz when you hit them with a 7.62x51 NATO from the FN, they go all floppy". He was a great guy. As hard as nails.

@robfreeman5783 Ай бұрын

i first heard it in a much different context

@Dani-hl3xu Ай бұрын

@@robfreeman5783happens to the best of them buddy

@Mr196710 Ай бұрын

Wait till they refer to us as 'insurgents'.

@Vikingocazar Ай бұрын

@@robfreeman5783😹

@m444ss Ай бұрын

i really like that 338 WBY RPM in the Backcountry 2.0 rifle. You get a light, handy rifle that has plenty of velocity, energy, reach even with an 18” barrel; and the butt pad plus muzzle break (or a suppressor) really does mitigate recoil. …and i like the bigger hole vs 30s and smaller

@rexrodecolt Ай бұрын

Interesting, Glad to have him on!

@interrestrial9815 Ай бұрын

I learned something about black bears, grizzly bears, and polar bears. I have encountered them frequently and have deliberately looked for trouble with them, excluding polar bears. Spring, summer, fall, and early winter with hours and hours of watching, stalking, and moments of excitement. Some encounters were just plain comical. Some were not quite neighborly, but we tolerated each other's presence; some were spooky, and some were just a pleasant day in the blueberry patch we shared but with yards of distance between us. And then there was the occasional threat. I learned that I had no idea what that bear would do in the next instant, and neither would the bear. Every bear biologist I spent time with knew the same thing. We can explain what they are doing right now, but not in the next moment. So whether or not I am going out to pick blueberries and share a sunny afternoon or give extreme grief to a bear, if I am going to use a firearm as a bear communication device, I want the final say. Big, loud, lots of flame and no doubt that you just did something substantial in communication.

@Gunsandbunsmma Ай бұрын

This dude is full of bullshit

@MrRodgear4444 Ай бұрын

What is this guy saying?

@davidh6818 Ай бұрын

I think he said "I just farted".....

@waynehendrix4806 Ай бұрын

@@davidh6818 Nah, he just shit in the woods, but nobody saw it.

@razieldrakis Ай бұрын

A rifle with control round feed with a fixed blade ejector in a powerful cartridge for the appropriate range intended.

@EdD-ym6le Ай бұрын

Cool . Looking forward to pt 2 .

@Richard-wz9uh Ай бұрын

I never get sick of this discussion. My two rifle battery (JVB’s idea from his podcast) would be an 18” 33 Nosler bolt action (controlled round feed Defiance Ruckus Ultralight action) for the big stuff and an 18” 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10 (forged magnesium ROAM receiver) for everything else. They’re near external ballistic twins out to 675 yards (within 2 inches of bullet drop and drift) when using Badlands Precision Bulldozer 2’s at 225gr and 135gr respectively. This monometal hunting projectile will still be going 1900fps at this range and per Badland Precisions tests will still expand.

@alt5494 Ай бұрын

If it's for defense in beer country a lightweight ar10 with quality ammunition, & a bombproof optic. Is a superb option that is incredible easy to use.

@dachjohnson9021 4 сағат бұрын

I learned so much this video thanks y’all!!!

@johnl5974 Ай бұрын

Great episode, you two are a very good team.

@TMFShooting Ай бұрын

Another Great Video , Thanks for Sharing Ron 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

@kennybates399 Ай бұрын

Heading to Prince of wales for a black bear hunt next month, using my custom 35 whelen!

@borisbuliak3626 2 күн бұрын

Nice tips you guys.

@mot0rhe4d40 Ай бұрын

More often than not. The black bears in our area. Are usually taken during muzzleloader season in the Ozark mountains. Few are taken during modern gun. Last one a family member took was with a 100gr charge behind a 240gr XTP. This combo traversed 2.5' through the bear ( point of the left shoulder, towards the right hip )

@timothybehnke1067 Ай бұрын

Never noticed the bullet holes in the KZfaq plaque... love it!

@keenanhosking659 Ай бұрын

I agree with the ruger guide gun statement. Really good back woods rifle with the right features.

@AWareWolf9 Ай бұрын

The .300 mag dudes stay big mad, but I’m telling y’all…. .338 win mag is where it’s at. That’s a caliber that punches far above its weight, and has some serious butt-whupin’ power, even at face value. Thanks for the video, Ron!!!

@kentuckywindage222 Ай бұрын

My buddy has both the 300 and 338 W.M. he loves his 300's as he has built 2 custom. One for long range target and a hunter. He has also said if you want a lot of thump the 338 is the way to go. Think it is in a Browning B.A.R. I had an Alaskan guide born and raised there tell me 300 W.M. will take anything there with the right bullet. He asked if I knew why folks there file off the front site of their 44 mag pistols? I had no clue. He said that way it doesn't hurt so bad when the bear sticks it up their arse!😅 He was a hard one.

@davycrockett3230 Ай бұрын

GREAT INFORMATION!

@SamuraiAkechi Ай бұрын

34:04 I've heard that people can take down brown bears reliably with lead slugs that are over 540 grain. Brenneke style slugs in particular. 617 grain was the weight of Shirinsky-Shikhmatov slug designed some time before WWI for shooting brown bears at short range.

@marklomax7452 Ай бұрын

Consider Remington Model 760 pump action in 35 Whelen

@davidbryce6970 2 күн бұрын

There was a meeting of the Ancient and Respectful Order of the Bear. There were Grizzly bears, Brown, Black, Kodiak and Polar Bears. The unanimous consensus was that the very best bear rifles are those that remain in the rack at home.

@MehulKamdar Ай бұрын

Yet another great discussion! Sir, many years ago, the USFWS did a test of the effectiveness of various calibers on Alaskan Brown Bears. I cannot find it at the moment, but someone will. As I recall, they determined that the 375 Magnum with 300 grain RNs was the best at the time. It would be interesting to see what our authorities might recommend now, but then we live in politically correct times and they likely won't even talk about bear defense.

@user-eg8hb8xt3j Ай бұрын

35 whelen with a 225 accubond . Speaking of lever action and not being able to reach out …my browning blr chambered in 325 wsm is a hammer close but I can reach out if I need too . Nice light handy rifle

@lostcreek7551 Ай бұрын

In the mountains of the PNW. When going through a Berry thick’it, especially salmon berries. Make noise

@user-uw6rt1zs2f Ай бұрын

I did recently pick up and custom Steven's 200 in 458win mag. Barnes 300gr ttsx socom bullets are my main load. I do cast some lead for it as well.

@HypocriticYT Ай бұрын

Load with the 500 gr solids and let your friends try it 😂

@HypocriticYT Ай бұрын

Depends if you are shooting from distance or require fast stopping power. 35 WCF in the Win 1895 keeps on working for both scenarios

@carlubambi5541 Ай бұрын

I have been taught to make the first shot count period .I learned to hunt with a single shot cil ,then a Spanish sidex and th n my franchi model 48 .That gun was tough to shoot a second shot accurately .The recoil was bad so I learned to take my tome to place my first shot .Was a great gun to snow shoe for Hares light fast first shot .Now i uses a beretta A303 for everything .Onve in a while i take out the savage 243 or special occasions my 111 in 300winmag .all depends

@404nitro Ай бұрын

You guys left off the classic weight bullet for the 338s for dangerous game.........the 250's Their SD is .313. Once again you also left out the great 35 Whelen.

@charlessmith4242 Ай бұрын

* There's also various improved versions of the .35 Whelen.

@45-70Guy Ай бұрын

@@charlessmith4242the AI version of the 35 whelen is not much of an increase compared to the tigers Improved versions. A slight improvement non the less but not worth it with the new powders and Bullets we have. A 225g at 2800-2900 FPS is 338 win mag territory. Personally I run them less than that just for less recoil and also shorter barrel length limiting velocity but even at 2600-2650 a 225g bullet leaves very little to be desired.

@charlessmith4242 Ай бұрын

@@45-70Guy * I don't believe I mentioned anything about a AI version.

@45-70Guy Ай бұрын

@@charlessmith4242you mentioned improved versions of the 35 whelen. Which would include the “improved” version.

@Wootangtw Ай бұрын

Awesome video Ron… thanks buddy…

@xxOblivionxx 12 күн бұрын

The 28 Nosler work 😏

@CalebDeBoer Ай бұрын

Just ordered the rifle that will likely be my go to when I actually decide to apply for tags. Winchester XPR .338 Win Mag, I wouldn’t be afraid to go smaller, I mean maybe woods carry is a 9mm, but I think that Win Mag is just going to hit that sweet spot. At close range you won’t kill it too dead, and it’s still going to punch very hard at range. Caveat I’ll add us that if you’re not a reloader it’s not that cheap to shoot, not the worst but many are cheaper. For defense while hunting other species it’s also just fine, a little big but not going to destroy deer.

@macwing07 Ай бұрын

👍🏻.. Great topic(s) Ron !! Thanks guys !! 🏹

@pistolpete6321 10 сағат бұрын

Great video, very interesting.

@mikes1097 Ай бұрын

great video! I think it is improtant to also talk about sights and scopes for bear defense and hunting

@jeremiahcoles2378 Ай бұрын

Come on Ron. You know it's a 308 😅

@NickFrom1228 Ай бұрын

I think a good point about the energy of 44mag for bears is for many people who are carrying 44 mag for bear defense are also carrying "bear ammo". Something in the neighborhood of Buffalo Bore 340gr hard cast. In a ruger redhawk 5.5" barrel you are getting close to 1500 ftlbs which is significantly more than the run of the mill 44mag round. But, can people shoot it effectively...?

@patrioticspartan Ай бұрын

Monolithic copper is another option. Both for taking tough critters and defense of said critters.

@rosshill2565 Ай бұрын

I can, but I grew up with 44 mag in family. I was shooting 44 mag and 10 gage shotgun at age 12.

@Peter-od7op Ай бұрын

I have ruger super red hawk with like 10 inbarrel

@veroman007 Ай бұрын

@@rosshill2565 it shows. you are massive

@rosshill2565 Ай бұрын

@veroman007 your a peice of work. You don't have to be 6' 4" and 260 pounds to manage recoil in any gun.

@marcr9305 Ай бұрын

And after all this, which i loved.... massive coastal brown bears are taken with archery equip. Many decades back these massive animals were taken with lighter weight bows and hardwood sticks 😂... awesome show, enjoy the bear episodes!!

@jimnagel5611 Ай бұрын

AT LEAST A HALF DOZENS OF MY COUSINS HAVE A GUIDE STYLE 45-70 FOR THEIR DEFENSE RIFLES -- THEY HAVE OTHER HUNTING RIFLES OF COURSE - BUT FOR A CAMP GUN - 45-70 -- MOST USE A 405 - 435 GRAIN KEITH STYLE HARD CAST AT ABOUT 1450-1500 FPS -- PENETRATION IS ALL THERE

@joeyindahl2593 Ай бұрын

Breneke black magic slugs are the only ones worth a crap for bear protection ,

@damham5689 Ай бұрын

You mention 10mm but 357 mag which is nearly identical would work just as well. And with newer 8 round revolvers like S&W and Taurus make it should be fine for black bear protection. IMO

@supergreatairgunreviews Ай бұрын

.338 win mag

@jasyamaha Ай бұрын

Great chat guys. I don't think I'll cross paths with a bear in the woods here in Australia but if I do I've got my 45-70 and 375 h&h just in case.

@user-gk2ir4ml3t 23 күн бұрын

My little old opinion.... I traded off my Marlin Guide gun , 45/70 and replaced it with a Browning BLR 450 Marlin. I live in Grizzly Country, and the rifle is a saddle rifle. Imo, there is no comparison. The BLR handles bolt action chamber pressures, has a box magazine and takes down. Using 45/70 brass worried me in the cheaply made Marlin/ Remlin 1895 Lever Gun. I handload and it shocked me how easily the 45/70 brass would dent. I don't have that problem with the 450 Marlin. It is a modern , high intensity load , using less powder but out performing the 45/70- safely. I can seat the bullet where I want and don't need to crimp in the box magazine. Luckily , I have much .450 brass. I have worked as a Game Guide here in B.C. and it was what I planned to use it. Grizzly season has since been shut down here. Bears are plentiful in our area, I get them in my barn or chicken house- or both

@Amblos-jk7uo Ай бұрын

Awesome buck grunt at 41:35 👍

@DT-ww4gv Ай бұрын

450 bushmaster for deer/blackbear 10mm pistol. Oregon coast range 150 yards on in.

@orr89rocz Ай бұрын

For shotgun, brenneke black magics have a good record on big bear in alaska

@Notagunfighter Ай бұрын

That is what I carried in my shotgun in Alaska.

@grayman7208 Ай бұрын

modern winchester 1886 45-70 +p loads by garret, buffalo boar, grizzly, hsm, corbon etc

@Santaheckler Ай бұрын

That pic at 16:36 is amazing!

@ChanoLeyva-hq2ci 10 күн бұрын

308 and 9mm for me, using 190 nosler accubonds and underwood extreme defender 👍

@joehill7649 Ай бұрын

I like the 300 Weatherby

@Weatherby406 Ай бұрын

30-378 Weatherby backcountry 2.0 carbon is my choice for deer and larger. .30 cal min for grizzly country for me.

@merlinofnew Ай бұрын

The hardest kicking cartridge in the lightest rifle made. I bet practising is a lot of fun.

@Weatherby406 Ай бұрын

@@merlinofnewit’s very surprising how manageable it is with the muzzle brake. It’s no worse than my 6lb .308 browning x bolt. Can sit down and shoot 3-4 boxes of shells no problem.

@paulvandenberg5341 Ай бұрын

Here in Washington most bears and elk are in cover. If you see them at distance get closer. Remington 742, 30/06, 180Gr.. handles like a quail gun. My choice for any big game in the woods and brush. Keep it clean.

@michaeldolomont4424 Ай бұрын

Is 300 Wby with 200 g accubond or partition Adequate for Alaska brown bear ? it's a guided hunt !!

@charlesmullins3238 Ай бұрын

Man what I’d give to hike,camp, and hunt with these 2…just got my lht on 6.5prc waypoint and been loadin over a yr for it with a cheap simmons I’ve had 24yrs..130gr tmk hellova round so is the 140s…almost made it through 3/4” mild steel at 200yrds..3050fps -3250fps

@gdaytrees4728 Ай бұрын

If it's a black, fight back. If it's a brown, lay down. If it's a white, good night. Bears are not cute and cuddly, they are formidable predators.

@fjb4932 21 күн бұрын

That's the saying i go by. No white's here in Missoula, but blacks and browns. The black bears scare me at night while camping. A dog is a literal life saver ( of the bear and me ). ☆

@ken-vw1iv Ай бұрын

What about the Brenneke solid lead slugs vs the old foster hollow base ones?

@Taylor-sp9mg Ай бұрын

love these videos with Ron and the “other guy.” don’t know his name but great compliment to Spoomer the GOAT

@nmelkhunter1 Ай бұрын

I do too. They really are spot on with their knowledge. The other guy in Joseph Von Benedikt and he has a wealth of knowledge.

@brianhoxworth3881 Ай бұрын

That other guy writes for hunting and shooting magazines. He's been around for awhile.

@gogart3 Ай бұрын

Good, thx

@kamata93 Ай бұрын

Am I the only one who things the 7mm Mauser is the best all around hunting bullet? I mean, old man Mauser knew what he was doing back in the day. Also the 6.5mm Mausers are also pretty good at hunting. The Italian 6.5mm is also a nasty round for hunting. Lots of internal damage.

@Stewart7516 Ай бұрын

I shoot 305 grain hard cast out of my Henry rifle at almost 1600 fps. Which generates about 1650 ft/lbs And a 180 grain at 2164 fps which generates nearly 1900 ft lbs. Which one is better? I like the heavies even though the generate less energy.

@billhatcher2984 Ай бұрын

I have two friends that I went to gunsmith school with that built 45-70 rifles on Siamese mousers and they loaded them way up there and they were close to the win mag I shot one of them with a heavy factory load and it wasn't bad at all but the guy that built it was getting the snot kicked out of him with a hard lead solid it penetrated with the grain he thought it would split a sickamore log but it went 19 inches after we split the log to measure it we left it in the log it split where the bullet was visible and he said he was going to display it in his shop when he graduated he moved to AK and opened a shop

@atomik1258 Ай бұрын

So what about the 6.8 western? The 165gr ABLR is bonded and has an SD of .307 and its going fast! Also the 175gr would be an even higher SD although i'm not sure of the construction of that one.

@larryschmidt3594 Ай бұрын

What do you think of the 450 Bushmaster for bear over bait?

@user-uw6rt1zs2f Ай бұрын

Sectional density is why the old 6.5 military cartridges were so successful years ago on elephant. Long heavy skinny fmj have killed many with brain shots. Or like your 7mm08 the 7mm Mauser was popular with there 175gr fmj .

@nathanphillips7875 Ай бұрын

? How much do longer barrels on shotguns increase velocity? How much barrel do you need to burn all the powder in a 2/34 high brass shell?

@tywiltse6390 Ай бұрын

Hey, Ron, you do some great videos and even better with Joseph. What is that scope that you have on your 7-08 Kimber?

@tywiltse6390 Ай бұрын

Swarovski?

@WilliamKister Ай бұрын

What vest is Joseph wearing. Like the vest with the shooting pads.

@user-fg3qc8bf9g Ай бұрын

Ron I love this!! Ryan frorm vortex nation, And yourself .. have me slobbering over a kimber Adirondack or Mt Accent..:( I want a mt Accent action with your barrel. .. in 6mm cm or 7mm 08 Neither easy to find. But my kids might be shooting it too. I d also like to have it in 280a.i.

@crossbowhunter9118 Ай бұрын

My dad owns a Remington model 700 chambered in 243. It has a very light trigger. But when I first shot the gun at targets. I never shot it before. I would be scared of shooting it due to thinking it will recoil hard. I would shut my eyes when I pull the trigger. Now I stopped doing it and now i realize how not hard recoil the gun is