The Best *Biblical* Defence of the Papacy

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The Cordial Catholic

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3 жыл бұрын

‪@catholiccom‬ Senior Apologist Jimmy Akin joined me to discuss the story of his conversion to Catholicism.
In this clip from that conversation, Jimmy, a veteran apologist for nearly 30 years, gives what he thinks is the best biblical defence of the papacy - something he first noticed when he was investigating Catholicism which is still incredibly compelling and, according to him, the best argument out there.
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@melvingeorge8420
@melvingeorge8420 3 жыл бұрын
This channel should get a million subscriber
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 3 жыл бұрын
Well that's a really kind thing to say. Tell all your friends! :)
@tessa7413
@tessa7413 3 жыл бұрын
This is great! I love how thorough and analytical Jimmy Akin is!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@jeremiahong248
@jeremiahong248 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheCordialCatholic is this an extract of a longer video ? I have been searching for the longer version but couldn't seem to find it. Appreciate if you can please post a link? Thanks a lot !
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 4 ай бұрын
@@jeremiahong248 Me too!
@quietwyatt4045
@quietwyatt4045 2 жыл бұрын
As a related matter, as Catholics we need to remember that popes are people too. To my mind, the many issues some of us are having with the current pope have much to do with the simple fact that Pope Francis is the first pope from outside Europe. He comes from South America, a region where Catholicism has a much different perspective than we’ve gotten used to.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 4 ай бұрын
I am fairly sure Pope Peter was not from Europe.... ;)
@quietwyatt4045
@quietwyatt4045 4 ай бұрын
@@BensWorkshop You're right! How could I leave out the first one WHO WAS MARTYRED IN ROME.
@MathWithHeather
@MathWithHeather 3 жыл бұрын
This is beyond wonderful!!!!!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@shawnmathew6078
@shawnmathew6078 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome content 👍
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙌
@Doug8521
@Doug8521 3 жыл бұрын
I see protestants using their never ending different interpretation of what each word means, but I do not see them claiming to have Peter, or his successors, or the keys. Also, since they deny infallibility, why should anyone pay attention to what they say since their interpretation is just one of many
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 3 жыл бұрын
True, why would I abandon the accumulated wisdom of the visible sign of God's Kingdom on earth, for somebody reading their KJB in their bedroom??
@geoffrobinson
@geoffrobinson 3 жыл бұрын
Are you guys aware that there were differing interpretations on this passage in the early church fathers or are you intending to create unintentional irony.
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 3 жыл бұрын
@@geoffrobinson The fact that people argued is a sign that they were human, not that the received wisdom is wrong or doubtful.
@tessa7413
@tessa7413 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhwinner I'm not sure if the Early Church Fathers were really "arguing" about it, because I think it's always been interpreted in a "both/and" sense, with more than one meaning applied to it to emphasize different points, but the interpretations don't contradict or council out one another.
@shlamallama6433
@shlamallama6433 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see Jimmy Akin interact with Suan Sonna's work on the papacy.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 3 жыл бұрын
I’m having Suan on the show later in June! The episode will probably air in July.
@tomcha75
@tomcha75 17 күн бұрын
I want to see Jimmy debate with Ally (?), I think was her name - the one that debated with George Farmer.
@matheusdabnei5540
@matheusdabnei5540 6 ай бұрын
Omg! That's awesome!
@Romans5.1
@Romans5.1 4 ай бұрын
If Peter was the rock that the church was to be built upon, would it not be more accurate for Jesus to say “ Thou art Peter and upon YOU I will build my church. But Jesus said “ upon THIS rock I will build my church The word THIS rock would seem to refer to something other then Peter.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 4 ай бұрын
Peter means “rock.”
@sunnyjohnson992
@sunnyjohnson992 3 ай бұрын
Peter didn’t view himself as the rock on which Jesus would build his congregation, since he wrote at 1 Peter 2:4-8 that Jesus was the long-foretold “foundation cornerstone,” chosen by God himself. The apostle Paul also referred to Jesus as the “foundation” and “the spiritual rock.” (1 Corinthians 3:11; 10:4) Jesus was evidently using a play on words, saying in effect: ‘You, the one I called Peter, a Piece of Rock, have discerned the true identity of the Christ, “this rock,” the one who will serve as the foundation of the Christian Congregation.’
@Romans5.1
@Romans5.1 3 ай бұрын
@@sunnyjohnson992 Yes, it was Peter's confession that Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God, this truth is the Rock that the church is to be built, not Peter himself !!
@DjSostre7
@DjSostre7 Ай бұрын
Why is this still debated? Jesus changed Peter's name for a reason. Do you still not understand? Would it make sense for Jesus to change Peter's name for Jesus to NOT allude to him as Rock in some way? Goodness. You protestants nullify the word of God for your own traditions.
@austindearmond2162
@austindearmond2162 15 күн бұрын
It is interesting that I haven't ever heard a Protestant put Peter down as they describe what's said in chapter 16. In fact, if you consultant the resource "An Exegetical Summary of Matthew 1-16", which lays out what various commentators say about the passage, no one is listed as doing that. On the wordplay, the resource says, " Is there any clear distinction in Greek between πέτρα ‘rock’ and Πέτρος ‘Peter’? Matthew’s Greek readers would not have perceived any distinction between the two forms [NICNT], and there is no difference in Aramaic between the word kepha ‘rock’ and Kepha used as a name [EBC, NAC, NICNT, NTC, TH, WBC]. Grammatical precision is not relevant in the use of metaphors [BECNT, WBC]. The reason for the difference between πέτρα ‘rock’ and Πέτρος ‘Peter’ is that, in order to be used as a man’s name, the feminine noun πέτρα ‘rock’ must be given a masculine form, which would be Πέτρος [EBC, ICC, NAC, NICNT, NTC, WBC]." David Abernathy, An Exegetical Summary of Matthew 1-16, Exegetical Summaries (Dallas, TX: SIL International, 2013), 575.
@blusheep2
@blusheep2 3 ай бұрын
Its probably the best argument I've heard so far and I'd have to think about it a bit more. My initial impression is this: 1. Petros and Petra: Since there are many possibilities this argument can't be used as a proof text. To many unanswered questions. 2. The comparison that Peter is a rock but the confession, i.e. Jesus is the cliff is not a put down. He wasn't being charitable at all. That was to bad. Peter wouldn't have batted an eye if Jesus said, "Peter you are surely a rock but the church is founded on me who is a mountain." Peter would have said, "duh." 3. The formula he presented began with Peter being called blessed, followed by the "upon this rock" section, followed by the keys section. The argument was made that it would make sense to go positive - negative - positive. That what followed blessed must then be the blessing. But later when he looked at it from the second angle, Jimmy says that the fact that God revealed the confession to Peter is what was the blessing. Take that into account, you have a different formula. Peter you are blessed because you received the revelation from God. Peter your confession is what my church will be founded upon. In this church you will have the right to bind and loose. So put another way, Peter's blessing. The foundation of the church. Peter's roll in it as a person of authority.
@melvingeorge8420
@melvingeorge8420 3 жыл бұрын
Was looking for a channel which refuted certainly the argumemts against protestants
@tomcha75
@tomcha75 17 күн бұрын
This is apologetics GOLD!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 16 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@HAL9000-su1mz
@HAL9000-su1mz Ай бұрын
PETER as Shepherd and first Pope: Scriptural evidence and the structure of the primitive Church make it absolutely undeniable that Christ chose Peter and that Peter was first among the twelve. Depending on the translation, Peter is mentioned 195 times. The closest is John (the beloved disciple) at just 29 times. The rest even less. Consider: Jesus entered Peter’s house. (Matthew 8:14) Jesus changed Simon's name to Peter. (John 1:42) Jesus gave Peter the keys to the gates of Heaven. (Matthew 16:19) Jesus declared Peter to the the rock. (Matthew 16:18) Jesus made Peter shepherd. (John 21:15-17) Jesus told Peter to strengthen his brothers (Luke 22:32) Jesus paid the Temple tax only for Himself and Peter. (Matthew 17:24-27) Jesus preached from Peter's boat. (Luke 5:3) Jesus told Peter to "Follow me" (John 21:19) Jesus called only Peter to walk on the water. (Matthew 14:29) Jesus predicted Peter's three-fold denial. (Matthew 26:34) Jesus predicted Peter's repentance and three-fold affirmation. (Luke 22:32) Jesus prophesied only Peter's manner of death. (John 21:18-19) Jesus taught Peter forgiveness 70 times 7 times. (Matthew 18:21-22) Jesus spoke only to Peter at Gethsemane. (Mark 14:37) Peter is always listed first of the Apostles. (Matthew 10:2, Luke 6:14, Acts 1:13) Peter was first to confess Jesus as Messiah. (Matthew 16:18) Peter alone spoke at the Transfiguration. (Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke 9:33) Peter pointed out the withered fig tree. (Mark 11:21) Peter entered the tomb first - John deferring to him. (Luke 24:12, John 20:3-4)) Peter decided the manner of replacing Judas. (Acts 1:15-26) Peter spoke for the eleven at the Pentecost. (Acts 2:14-36) Peter was released from prison by the Angel. (Acts 12:6-11) Peter spoke for the eleven before the Council. (Acts 4:8-12) Peter held sin bound to Ananias and Sapphira. (Acts 5:1-10) Peter's shadow healed. (Acts 5:15) Peter declared the sin of Simony. (Acts 8:18-23) Peter revealed the salvation of Gentiles to the Church at Jerusalem. (Acts 11:1-18) The Angel told Cornelius to call for Peter. (Acts 10:3-8) The Holy Spirit fell upon the Gentiles as Peter preached to them. (Acts 10:44-45) At the empty tomb, the Angel said, "Go tell His disciples, and Peter." (Mark 16:7) Mary Magdalene ran to tell Peter and the beloved disciple. (John 20:2) The vision of all foods being clean was given only to Peter. (Acts 10:9-16) Peter's words silence the first council in Jerusalem. (Acts 15:7-12) Paul went to Peter to affirm that his Gospel was not in vain. (Galatians 1:18) Peter was given the revelation of the end of the world. (2 Peter 3:10-11) Peter taught that Paul’s words were easily twisted. (2 Peter 3:16) Peter taught that baptism now saves you (1 Peter 3:21) And many other references. One may deny that Peter was primary, but it takes an amazing ignorance or denial of scripture and history to do so.
@eve3363
@eve3363 Жыл бұрын
Christianity isn't about about formality, but that is always Catholics' and Orthodox Christians' first argument against Protestant denominations. The foundation of the Catholic Church is the Nicene Creed, not the Bible.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 4 ай бұрын
The Roman Catholic put the Bible together. Jesus did not leave one, he left his Church. Also the Nicene Creed is drawn from the Bible. Christianity is very much about what you believe and must therefore have a formal set of teachings and Christianity is also about worshipping God, for which a pure sacrifice is needed. (See for example, Malachi 1:10)
@eve3363
@eve3363 3 ай бұрын
God used people to put the Bible together
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 ай бұрын
@@eve3363 Yes, the people in his Roman Catholic Church.
@benpetrie5283
@benpetrie5283 Ай бұрын
Growing up Protestant, I commonly heard the Πέτρος/πέτρα argument- that if "Πέτρος" is "ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ", Matthew would have used Πέτρος/πέτρος in both instances. As the argument goes, this rendering better serves, 'You are Peter, and on this rock/stone [which you are] I will build my church.' This argument asserts that Matthew's implementation of the different words indicates he intended to distinguish the meaning of Πέτρος and πέτρᾳ. Consequently, it can read, 'You are Peter [little stone], but it is on this [much greater solid rock - Christ/Peters confession] that I will build my church.' While this argument fits nicely with the New Testament theme that Christ is πέτρα, the clausal connection Matthew used makes it difficult to hold this interpretation (antithetical parallelism). In v.18, Matthew utilises the conjunction "καί" to join two dependent clauses. Since "καί" is a marker of an additive relation, "ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ..." is adding information to "σὺ εἶ Πέτρος". However, the above rendering 'You are Peter [little stone], but it is on this [much greater solid rock]...’ works better with a marker of contrast. In Greek, ἀλλά is a typical marker of contrast, and Matthew used this conjunction in v.17 to contrast “flesh and blood” with “My Father who is in heaven”. In English, ἀλλά renders "but," "on the other hand," "instead," or "on the contrary." Arguably, Matthew's use of "καί" supports the interpretation that Πέτρος and πέτρᾳ form a relationship of addition (synthetic parallelism) rather than contrast.
@jacksoncastelino04
@jacksoncastelino04 3 жыл бұрын
Ave Christus Rex. Ave Maria.
@benjaminpruett4415
@benjaminpruett4415 2 ай бұрын
Gospel Of John Chapter 1. John The Baptist, Andrew, Philip, and Nathaniel all testify to Jesus Christ as Messiah. John & Andrew do this before Peter even meets Jesus, who then calls him Cephas-Peter. Andrew tells his brother Simon-Peter that he has found the Messiah along with few others. So why then should Peter get any special blessing or title? Just one of many points that doesn't align for the catholic stance on this issue.
@lela4975
@lela4975 2 ай бұрын
Cephas actually means stone So Jesus already knew from the start what role Peter would play in His ministry, and He told Peter that when they first met
@ellisspear
@ellisspear 3 жыл бұрын
I like the pipe rack in the background. You know that the "Owner" knows what he is taking about. ;)
@raymalbrough9631
@raymalbrough9631 4 ай бұрын
Do we not refer to the Church as Holy Mother Church? The feminine rock.
@BornAgainRN
@BornAgainRN 3 жыл бұрын
The real issue that Jimmy did not bring up is the specific Greek word for “this” when Jesus says “upon this rock I will build my church.” It has a specific meaning that the word “this” is addressing is not the previous noun but the previous subject not in the immediate text. Matthew uses this same Greek word earlier in Matthew chapter 7 when he talks about building a house on the rock. The same Greek word for “this” refers to a previous subject not the previous immediate noun. It is also used this way in the Septuagint, such as in Numbers and in Judges. So when Jesus says “this rock” it doesn’t refer to the immediate previous noun which would be Peter. Rather, it would refer to the previous subject which would be Peter’s declaration of faith which was revealed to him by God, which is why he is blessed since he wouldn’t have been able to figure this out on his own. So, the rock is not Peter himself, but rather the revelation God gave Peter that Jesus was the Christ the son of the living God. I was glad to hear that Jimmy admitted that the purpose of the keys was to bind and loose, because when Protestants bring up the fact that this same binding and loosing is extended to the rest of the church in Matthew 18:18, which would mean that the church also has the keys not just Peter, this protestant argument is often rejected by Catholics. But now, we have a well renowned Catholic who is the senior apologist at Catholic Answers admitting that protestants are right on this issue that the entire church, not just Peter, has possession of the keys. Therefore, since Peter is not the sole possession of the keys, he cannot be head of the entire church, since the rest of the church who professes that Jesus is the Christ the son of the living God are also in possession of the keys.
@bobizzle1605
@bobizzle1605 14 күн бұрын
Then why didn’t Jesus mention to keys to any other apostle.
@bobizzle1605
@bobizzle1605 14 күн бұрын
And you are the one that has to explain all the other blatant evidence that Christ made Peter the leader.
@Justas399
@Justas399 3 ай бұрын
Yet-Peter never claimed to be the chief shepherd-vicar-pope of the entire church. The apostles never claimed he was the chief shepherd-vicar of the church. Never claimed for himself as the rock on which the church is founded on. Nor did the apostles. The office of a papacy (supreme bishop leader, chief shepherd of the entire church) is never mentioned as a church office in any of the offices of the church described in the New Testament. See I Corinthians 12:28-29; Ephesians 2:20-21, 3:11; I Timothy 3:1-13 and Titus 1:5-9
@bobizzle1605
@bobizzle1605 14 күн бұрын
Saint Clement of Rome destroys your argument in his first epistle my friend. Who Saint Paul mentions in Phillipians, by the way.
@Justas399
@Justas399 14 күн бұрын
@@bobizzle1605 There is no mention of Clement claiming to be the chief shepherd-pope in his letter. We don't know if its the same Clement that Paul mentions. More than one man could have that name.
@bobizzle1605
@bobizzle1605 14 күн бұрын
@@Justas399 No, but he confirms the episcopate structure of bishops and priests that Protestant deny and claim is a Catholic invention, and he confirms Peter’s martyrdom in Rome and the importance the Church in Rome has. And the majority of scholars believe it’s the same Clement in Phillipians, Linus is also mentioned in one of Paul’s letters. Clement writes as though he personally knew both Peter and Paul, and this is why the early Church Fathers called him the chief apostolic father. Even skeptic or secular historians have said that Clement’s letter dates to around the time before Peter and Paul would have been martyred. There’s no reason to believe the Clement in Phillipians would be anyone else, that’s just guesswork with nothing substantial to back that up. Of course, I’m sure Protestants desperately hope it’s not the same Clement, because if it is that puts to rest alot of debates.
@Justas399
@Justas399 14 күн бұрын
@@bobizzle1605 Ok. There is no office of priest in the NT church. Peter never claimed to be a pope nor did the apostles claim he was. No bishop in the 1st century claimed to be the chief shepherd of the church in the 1st century. You can believe its the same Clement that Paul mentions but that is only speculation. ..."Was there a Bishop of Rome in the First Century?"...the available evidence indicates that the church in Rome was led by a college of presbyters, rather than by a single bishop, for at least several decades of the second century (Sullivan F.A. From Apostles to Bishops: the development of the episcopacy in the early church. Newman Press, Mahwah (NJ), 2001, p. 80,221-222). -Catholic scholar 440-461 - Pope Leo I. Many historians suggest that Pope Leo is the first to claim universal jurisdiction over the worldwide Church, thus initiating the rise of the papacy, a uniquely Roman Catholic structure.
@aGoyforJesus
@aGoyforJesus 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone want to mention that there wasn't agreement in the early church fathers on Matthew 16, and you don't see anyone taking it to mean an ongoing papacy.
@rubenmartinez4346
@rubenmartinez4346 3 жыл бұрын
There was also disagreements in the Bible in Acts amongst the apostles. The council of Jerusalem was formed and they confronted the matter. In the entire history of the Catholic Church there were councils (2000 years) to settle these disagreements or new ideas or to fight the forces of evil. And so there was an ongoing papacy...I can give you a list.
@aGoyforJesus
@aGoyforJesus 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubenmartinez4346 // And so there was an ongoing papacy...I can give you a list.// An ex post facto list isn't a proof of a papacy.
@rubenmartinez4346
@rubenmartinez4346 3 жыл бұрын
@@aGoyforJesus I see you ignored my first point but ok.
@aGoyforJesus
@aGoyforJesus 3 жыл бұрын
@@rubenmartinez4346 well, your first point wasn't that great, frankly, so I was going to let it slide. But since you want to point it out, I guess I now need to mention that councils were headed by the real head of the church, for a time the emperor of Rome. What gets considered an ecumenical council is really based on what people feel about it years later not any "we're now having an ecumenical council." There's plenty of councils you ignore, whether they favored the Arians, etc. Honestly, if I was living in the time of the Arian controversy & I believed modern Roman Catholic apologist claims, ignoring the fact that people knew there wasn't a papacy back then, to be consistent I would have to become an Arian. Don't become an Arian. Reject Roman Catholic apologetics.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 4 ай бұрын
@@aGoyforJesus The first council was in Jerusalem about AD 49. See Acts 15.
@KnightFel
@KnightFel 3 ай бұрын
There is none.
@rbnmnt3341
@rbnmnt3341 5 ай бұрын
Biblical defense? I think that's an oxymoron.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 5 ай бұрын
How so?
@DjSostre7
@DjSostre7 Ай бұрын
Funny how you typed that, and didn't listen. Your own comment is an oxymoron. You're Sola scriptura right? You should take heed: 'Be quick to listen, and slow to speak'. Next time listen before you decide to critique biblical exegesis; condemning your own self.
@rbnmnt3341
@rbnmnt3341 Ай бұрын
@@DjSostre7 I'm quick to listen to scripture, God's word. Quick to listen to man? NEVER!
@Jordan-1999
@Jordan-1999 3 жыл бұрын
In Matthew 16 Christ is not talking about who Peter is and making him supreme head over the entire Church, no but rather He is asking His disciples who they think He is. Therefore Peter answered Christ's question correctly by declaring that He is the Christ, and Jesus in response declares Peter's faith openly by saying on this Rock I will build my Church... You could say on this faith I will build my Church. My point is, that the rock in which Jesus acclaimed that the Church would be built upon is the faithful confession of (Him), Christ... in this regard we all are to follow this same example of the declaration that Peter confessed.. that of Jesus who is the Christ. Jesus is the True Rock and He is the Christ, when we profess this... this is the good and soild foundation, (the Rock), in which the Church is built upon. This is the same faith of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, (Israel). The Church therefore is a continuation of that faith.. of Israel. By this we are to be a Royal Priesthood and a Holy Nation.
@ericcarreno
@ericcarreno 3 жыл бұрын
A confession needs a confessor.
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 3 жыл бұрын
Peter confessed that Christ is the Messiah, and the Catholic Church has been confessing it ever since. Peter is the Rock upon which Christ built His Church. That is the way the scripture has been understood for 2000 years.
@Jordan-1999
@Jordan-1999 3 жыл бұрын
@@ericcarreno Yes! Peter is Confessing to Jesus that he acknowledges Him as the Christ. By so doing this he is professing the fullness of the faith in which Christ requests of him to build His Church upon. The Rock essentially is the statement of faith by us in which we profess Jesus as the Christ. This is typically the first big step a person takes when acknowledging the truth of the Christian faith. Then gradually we build upon that fact and grown in our faith. Just as Christ built and established the Church upon Peter's confession of faith, and so allowed it to grow and mature.
@Jordan-1999
@Jordan-1999 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhwinner No it has not. You ignore the fact that there is a whole other ancient branch of Christianity which never professed that Peter himself was the rock for 2000 years. Especially supreme head of the Church. The Church is not a dictatorship. For it is a precursor of the world and Kingdom to come. No! Man in fallible and liable to make mistakes. The Holy Spirit would never put man in such a position of power. The powers that be corrupt those who take hold of it for their own agendas, for countless souls have lived and died proving this in a fallen world. No man can take the position of Christ my friend.
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jordan-1999 What other brañch did not confess the meaning of these verses?
@SaltShack
@SaltShack 10 ай бұрын
Peter may or may not be the “Rock” it’s irrelevant, simply and completely irrelevant because the authority claimed by the the Papacy 1,000 years later was never claimed by Peter or assigned to him by the other Apostles and Disciples from Pentecost to 1054. Never. Your efforts to recreate a cultural, historical and complex context a millennium or two later is quite myopic as it requires you to ignore a thousand years of practice that included the Bishop of Rome. Not to mention it’s a slim historic argument that Peter was ever Bishop of Rome and even slimmer to identify any successor or individual that he proclaimed Bishop of Rome. The City with much firmer authority held by Peter and his successors is Clearly Antioch not Rome. So, the Protestant effort to legalistically and scholastically apply authority to Peter through focusing on a single or few Scripture verses is just as incomplete and fraught with error as the Efforts of Luther and Calvin. What all this further requires is the complete disregard of far greater mentioned and perfectly clear Scripture message denouncing the seriously damaging sin of schism that firmly rests with Pope Leo and Rome.
@bobizzle1605
@bobizzle1605 14 күн бұрын
Wrong. Even antiochan Christians today would say Rome is Peter’s seat.
@bobizzle1605
@bobizzle1605 14 күн бұрын
And the Orthodox are in schism.
@SaltShack
@SaltShack 14 күн бұрын
@@bobizzle1605 I’m sorry I’ve failed miserably to express my point.
@francissweeney7318
@francissweeney7318 4 ай бұрын
It is impossible to defend the history ot the catholic church with the truth. Jesus has already judged tbe catholic church, the great harlot, in Revelation chapter 17. The rock is The Word of God, the only tbing that will endure. Jesus said " Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." Go away Akin, your opinions are patently false.They are simply propaganda.
@iggyantioch
@iggyantioch 5 ай бұрын
I didn't know that Rome was lesd than Antioch. I disagree You are aware of Against Heresy St Ireneus. Book 3. Chp 2/3.
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