Basically Ketchup&Mustards MK series but for all the games Justin played, sounds sick.

NGL, seeing him narrate his runs of every EVO title would be AMAZING!!! Like his preparation, then a video per round

I can agree, this is a great idea

Retrospective content, yeah, that would be cool

Facts this is a great idea 💡 someone get this comment to Justin !

Tatsu No Noken is my favorite anime

Ever since Dolphin netplay became viable, this game became essentially immortal

DAMN I remember getting so tilted when facing giants with my kaijin no soki team. Good times. I might have to look into this. I just have to figure out how to get a controller similar to the Wii Pro controller lol(surprisingly reliable D-Pad).

wait, u mean there is a way to play it online now??

Looove that game

It's a shame they fixed it after everyone already left.

​@@Tien1million KOF has never been a popular fighting game that's why people don't play it has nothing to do with the matchmaking

Definitely the best fighting game released in recent memory.

This is an awful tier list

​@@Mr_Mistahmmmm yes and no Kof wasn't popular in usa and some countries of europe (ex: spain) But is highly popular in south america, asia and europe countries like france, portugal, and italy

in fairness i think objectively it's in one of the top two considering it was an evo main game for a long time and it has been one of the most popular fighting games in general

iirc he really really likes pixel art games, so there might be some bias there but tbf most good titles have a pixel art style

Except the games in the "never played it, ever" tier

I absolutely hate smash and dont consider it a fighting game, but come on, its melee, melee is a grand exception.

I’d never put melee or smash for that matter into goat status. mid at best if it comes to fighting game mechanics. but I respect it’s impact as it brought a ton of casuals to the genre that became FGC

Right? Tekken 3 just made so many good changes that we see today, even playing T3 now is super fun!

But why would you ever play Tekken 3 when you could just play tag

@@BarnstormNZ cause theyre on different fucking platforms and didnt come out at same time? What kind of dogshit is that

@@BarnstormNZsure theyre similar but some people enjoy 3 more for OSTs, gameplay, etc. you should also consider that Tag is the most unbalanced clusterfxck of a TK game we have ever gotten. my nostalgia for the ps2 is what carries Tag1 personally.

-Strive in Trash Nah it def is ragebait

I really like both franchises! I'm a casual, mostly playing offline, but I still love them both. They share the similarities that make me enjoy 3D fighters a lot more than 2D, but still play significantly different to stand out. I played the classics VF and Tekken recently, and I could not finish Tekken 1 and 2, and VF 1 and 2 more than once. They did not age well. But VF 3 and Tekken 3, they are still really fun to play. They are the first iterations that became real 3D fighter (side steps). I had a lot of fun playing 3s and 4s from both series again. VF4 Evo quest mode is super fun!

I grew up playing both from the very first one. They are different. Personally I actually don't like the direction Tekken is taking with Anime Dragon Ball style story, and all the extra stuff like rage, rage art, and now this rush thing in T8. But I still like both game series alot. I actually play Tekken more.

Fan of both series, grew up playing them both since their first iterations, and while I LIKE Tekken, I LOVE VF, and yea VF2 was really the game that cemented my love of the series. That game completely blew me away when I first saw it in the arcade in 1994, my 8 year old mind was blown.

I owned virtua fighter and virtua kids on the Saturn and played kids a lot. I didn't win on virtua 5 on hardest like I used to on the original installment but it's still in interesting series.

I played VF2 and that was great, but Tekken 2 was on another level with all those extra ulockable fighters.

When I heard later that this game was hated I was genuinely very surprised. I loved it man 😭

These past few months I've been watching all the recent(ish) tournaments, Tatsunoko vs Corona, Frosty Faustings, Combo Breaker... I think I've caught up to everything and life feels empty

I wish it wasn't stuck on Wii of all systems. How did that game never get ported to anything else?

TvC is the kind of game where the more you're exposed to it, the more you realize how amazing it is

​@@YiddishDancingClownMainly it was rights issues getting in the way

Garbage game

Yeah, that seemed strange. I wonder what he'll feel about Project L, where everyone will have a one-button reversal.

​@@Maver1ck101 yeah i think these days a mechanic like that is much more welcomed by most people

Facts real bout 2 is the best fatal fury game besides garou Imo

I absolutely loved it because I’ve always loved the Tekken universe, story and characters but just never as good at its gameplay mechanics as SF. It gave the best of both worlds. Consequently Tekken 7 really sucked me in with Akuma and Geese because I knew their moves to heart.

SFxT 2v2 mode is too fun.

Capcom's monetization killed the game, i wanted to try it when it was released but as soon as i heard about p2w power ups in a FIGHTING GAME i skipped it completely

@@themrfelipe6005 most people played without gems or just used the default ones but ya that wasn’t a good look

@@themrfelipe6005 it’s weird how the gems controversy just killed the game for good with no chance for redemption but SF5 bounced back from being a barebones release.

It does.

It is trash they ruined what was guilty gear they fell in to that blazue crosstag Dbz fighterz spam 1 button bs

@@ramburgervalentine7621does he have any videos where he explains why? He put out a video 3 years ago literally telling everyone they should buy it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ptekgamDsLqrj2Q.htmlsi=EIU3pbuoU38TK9D5

It doesnt really deserve trash but its not too grest either

It doesn't resonate with the original concept of Guilty Gear, so yeah it does

Even if its your first super smash, how the hell can you enjoy randomly tripping only to get smashed away? With the few broken characters and broken mechanism they have, the game was obviously imbalanced as-well.

Ssb is way better than ultimate

​@@RealBigDeal22It was his first smash. He wasn't worried about being all hyper competitive with it. Most people still don't play smash competitively.

​@@Baltic_Dude😂

Ssb was and still is, the best smash game for singleplayer content Its also the best game for team games imo

Tekken 4 is still really fun! Not only the atmosphere, the stages and the revamped Tekken force a good. But the gameplay is solid, where poking, spacing and punishing are so much more important than long combos. I liked it for this.

I agree.

I actually hated T5 because of how far advanced T4 seemed. Looking back, I see how 5's the fairer game competitively, but I still hate the flat stages, the floors that break with EVERY fall, the lack of character physics (like T4's hair), and....Jinpachi. Vanilla Jinpachi. Ugh! I'd MUCH RATHER play against wedgie Heihachi any day!

I've been a Steve Fox main since Tekken 4 - had a lot of fun with that game on PS2 back in the day

Tekken 4 is my favorite, because it was so different overall. That game stays with me more than the first three.

MK11 is an underappreciated gem, so is IJ2.

My first ever fighting game that i took seriously was Guilty Gear Strive, i had never played a traditional fighting game and pressing /d-pad up/ to jump was so weird compared to brawlhalla(platform fighter) were you press /jump button/ instead.Seeing new people play the game and failing at the same stuff i did like unusual inputs, and understanding numpad, that now seem like second nature to me now just puts into perspective how far i’ve come. Amazing

thats recent bro , this list aint really for u then unless u wanna play these old games

​@@crazyilahmah707 In Brawlhalla you can change your controls you know, I have up for jump and it's good that Strive has that too

U must be 15 lol

It will be even cheaper in April, if you are willing to hold out. In general NS tends to sell MK games cheaply after some time, example check MK9,10,11 prices when on sale. Honestly, I dont think MK1 its that good. The story was meh from the beginning & that led to a lot of people's interest waning off. However, since you seem to want MK1 to play ranked as well, then it might be better to play it now, before the DLCs hit & you regret your choice.

I personally really like mk1. However, people have a right to be pissed off. On PC it doesn't run for some( a lot) of people and there are a lot of bugs there. There are also a lot of micro transactions that piss people off like some of the fatalities have to be purchased etc. some of the seasonal costumes are very ugly. The single player aspect is not great either but I don't play fighters for single player. The game also launched with connection issues that affected both console and PC and they patched it but sometimes still has some issues there. I don't care for some of the dlc characters. So that's a lot of negatives I wrote. And they are kinda big negatives. Positives: I actually really liked the story up until the last act. The actual gameplay is awesome. I think the levels and graphics and art style are awesome. Music is good. I like the roster.

i thought that, too, but realistically... same tier as Tekken Tag? Tekken 3 was perfect for its time, but Tag was so much better it sorta made 3 inferior.

Ikr

Agree before online play I practiced every character for hours and knew all the optimal combos. And tekken ball! That was the funnest shieet

Seems like a couple people persuaded him, I personally never seen him stream MKX or ki 2013 but since he hangs and does a podcast with maximillian dood who lives both those games, all of a sudden he has those games at goat status. Big fan of Justin Wong but this tier list honestly doesn’t seem too authentic to me

With SFV Justin quit his profesional player career and start his streamer career, yep SFV was THAT bad.

@@stevesteve0521 it looks fishy, trust me.

Its actually very fucking fun to lab in, I just wish there was more characters, but 2d fighters with an actual art team behind it makes it slow to make new stuff since animation takes long to do

I thought they canned tht game? I read tht somewhere yesterday when seeing what tht game is​@sourthecat

word, I forgot about that game cuz it was on PS1 but it was a solid precursor to soul calibur. Cervantes crew! (...or Mitsurugi) I think Bloody Roar would've been fun to see, but it felt a bit unbalanced. Also did I miss Children of the Atom, XvSF and MvSF? ...I know Infinite was trash.

@@Rob165x He put XvsSF and MvSF in really fricking amazing and good respectively from what I can see. He commited heresy by putting COTA in trash (alongside SamSho 1!).

2000 was also very, very fun to play in the arcades even with all the infinites, if you don't abuse them it's such a fun game.

Easy. The controls of all these 2D fighting games is not satisfying. I wish someone made a fighting game like def jam again.

He is a pro player and melee is one of the most competitive fighting game of all time, not surprising at all.

When i first tried brawlhalla, I got the impression that it was super floaty and the gameplay didn’t seem very well put together. But the game has a lot of movement mechanics such as dash, dash jump, chase dodging, gravity cancels and more that make it in my opinion one of the most fast paced and skill based platform fighters.

@@user-pg4wi4ew2g Brawlhalla works and survives because it has a unique form of combat with the weapons system, like you said it has a massive esports scene. Yes it is floaty but the dash and gravity cancel mechanics make it so it feels fast and allows you to take advantage of being in the air. It survives on being different than smash or other platform fighters

I love T4 so much but It was madly broken, but it did set up so many unique stage elements that I wish was an option to turn on in future games. Just going to training mode to find all parts of the stage is so fun

Doesn't excuse bad gameplay though. Mechanicaly speaking, it's very weak, even though aesthetically it's my favorite Tekken.

Tekken 4 had some good things going for it, but it will never live up to the glory of 5, 5 revitalized the franchise, 4 just lacked so much polish compared to its predecessors and successors. Still fun, though, but it wasn't that good.

While most of us agree with your points on Tekken 4, its just a bad fighting game. Its a great game, one of the best Tekken games but horrendous fighting game. T5 might be broken but it is still has good fighting game mechanics that the games after it made T5 as their defacto basis until now.

i dunno how he finds ult boring but melee is world class. for its time, sure melee is a++ but cmon ult is a step up on quality and quantity

⁠@@GregHuffman1987define “for its time”, the game is 22 years old and the community is bigger than it’s ever been right now. as soon as the next smash game comes out, people will stop playing ultimate, but i’m confident people will still be playing melee

@@GregHuffman1987define “for its time”. the game is 22 years old and the scene is currently bigger than its ever been. once the new smash game comes out, everyone will hop off of ultimate but melee will probably still be alive

Did you not listen to what he said? He said it's too early to put it in GOAT tier and he's right. It's an amazing game hands down, but let's see if this holds up for a few years (which it probably will) before giving it GOAT status.

Mk was always mid

MK1 has great gameplay. It's weak in other areas, but JW seems to be exclusively talking about gameplay. I really doubt he misplaced MK1 or SF6 as he knows that's what people came to see. His take is the mainstream take of FGC generalist (people who play both NRS and Capcom).

As a long time fan of Guilty Gear since GGX I agree that Strive is trash tier. The game barely feels like GG and I got bored of it before they even starting releasing dlc.

​@@AzurePhoenix86 honestly strive feels like sfv except with good netcode. Just wish strive was a spin off series

Strive is simply badly designed game and theres a reason fanbase of it are smash players and people who didnt liked fighting games before/got into them with it. Strive wasnt even designed as GG game it was first thing both Katano and Daisuke said during interview at TGS back in 2019 and they also said game is designed in a way to bring in people who dont like fighting games not newcomers to series or genre but actually for people who never liked genre before and it shows. Fact is that they achieved their design goal and its a success but to anyone even not old GG fans but simply fighting genre enjoyers that game is just trash.

@@doooodeh preach it had short term rewards but long term consequences

What a dumb comment, and you know what? So is Street Fighter, also simple at its core.

It’s goat status for me as well, Dreamcast, Saturn, ps1 and psp ports are all incredible. Alpha anthology port for ps2 added extra isms so like you have a sf3 ism where you can literally parry moves it’s amazing. I’m actually surprised he had alpha 3 over alpha 2 for a long time he said alpha 2 was the better game but now since he’s played alpha 3 in fightcade so much he’s grown to actually love the game

​​@@stevesteve0521Because Alpha 2 has a more rigid system. While Alpha 3 went more bonkers with the -ism in a broken way so Alpha 2 is preferred for this. I love Alpha 3 much more though.

Both are goat tier to me

@@stevesteve0521 For sure!

I'll never know, because he is evolving to be one of "those guys" in the FGC, you know what i'm talking about, hence the moral decency declining within the FGC.

No beef. Strive just deserves.

The game is just trash.

The game is stripped down, basic, and boring compared to past GG games. The game is a snooze fest. STRIVE is only “good” if you’ve never played the previous games. I swear that game is carried by its netcode, graphics, and character designs.

@@AK-cp6br Like your cousin.

I agree, but its still fun i guess.

Gets boring

Agreed. I miss Christie soooo much. She was god like I swear.

I agree, one of the best tekkens ever made.

Me too, great game.

"Objectively" 😂

@@KyChupLoL did I stutter?

he can't be objectively wrong because it's an opinion, and you should really calm your shit bc both games need more time to mature before we can come to a real verdict on them. sad case but thats how most games are now.

if anyone's "objectively wrong" here, it would be you and you alone ironically💁🏽

@@sakashimayokoshimahapofusagari Nah MK1 was trash out the gate, unironically made MK11 look good in comparison. Even casuals dumped it week 1

I'm really hoping that UNI 2 can manage to retain at least some of the playerbase that Type Lumina lost. On one hand, UNI doesn't have the Type-Moon branding to lean on or Melty's history as a champion among underdogs. On the other, its own history is nothing to sneeze at either, the game has ASW backing it as publisher and there are no controversial mechanics like Type Lumina's shield system that may drive people away, Plus, I'd wager most people who have even a passing interest in Melty knows that UNI is French Bread's spiritual successor, so some of Melty's niche popularity is bound to rub off. I guess it all comes down to how good the Rollback implementation is. ASW has plenty of experience in that department and FB did a decent enough job with Type Lumina, so I hope it starts off without any major hiccups like KOF XV had the misfortune of running into...

@CrimsonMoonM I'm disappointed UNI 2's not coming to Xbox, so Type Lumina & Blazblue Cross Tag will be all Xbox owners have in this department. It's unfortunate Type Lumina doesn't have crossplay either.

The problem with mb and uni2 is that they are just too expensive for the kind of game they are Yes mb tl looks visually stunning but its still mb, and uni2 is still just uni ; A part of the appeal of those games was imo that you could get them for cheap, and i suspect a lot of people who weren’t already fans wont want to pay full price for them

Ye the strive opinions can get a bit exaggerated imo My experience personally is that it doesnt really offer much to veterans of the genre and therefore it puts people off And especially if you played a lot of xrd and xx before then strive will feel completely uncanny and viscerally unpleasant because its completely different yet looks similar

To add to that, going between +r and xrd feels something like going from smash 4 to smash 5 And then with strive feels like going from smash to brawlhalla

For example, i started playing fighting games relatively recently And i started with xx, and when i played xrd for the first time it still felt like quilty gear at its core but all the little differences put me off for a good while But as of late i have come to understand that that is just unfamiliarity and that xrd is an amazing game in its own right Recently i also tried strive but that experience was so jarring that i felt like i should probably just refund it for the time being That doesnt mean strive is a bad game, and a lot of people are enjoying it But it felt a little bit too jarring and not as exciting for me personally But maybe in the future i will try it again and revise my opinion

Same, im putting a lot more time into sf6 right now, but if 3v3 Strive turns out to be really good, we might be looking at GOAT status.

Every gg does this

@@kevinespana2274 Damn. Sometimes not being aggressive can make you less predictable though. I think that mechanic limits the variety in play styles. I mained Jack-O for a bit and when I back dash to set up minions and lose meter it's kind of annoying. Made me just switch to playing Milia or Giovanna

No, that's a guilty gear thing. You lose meter for being too defensive, but gain it back fast by merely just moving towards your oponent

​@@alexsanimeart5706it only limits you in Strive, the older games didn't care much about he neutral game, and your Gatling wasn't limited to specific buttons, so you had a lot of freedom

ya'll just impatient asf

I'm very mixed about strive but having it at the bottom next to isuka is just wrong but also hilarious😂

hopefully season 2 is even better

That game is already 💀

Sf6 is ass

@@miquebts nah its not it still has the highest fighting game playerbase right now

No there are way better old school 2d fighters lol 😂

Strive is definitely the best looking game that came out recently,