The Best Foil 2.0 - Wing Foil

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West Coast Wing Foil

West Coast Wing Foil

6 ай бұрын

What makes a foil better than others when you're wing foiling? Top of the list for me, includes top speed, lift, glide, stall speed, build quality, stiffness, and playfulness. The challenge with building a foil is that many of these features are inversly related. When you increase one aspect, it reduces the performance of another feature. So the ultimate foil, has the perfect balance to maximize the features you love while not diminishing other qualities you want to retain.
F4 Foils has their GP series very active on the world circuit. I wanted to find out how an average wing foiler like me would feel about riding this foil and use this foil as a benchmark to the qualities everyone should look for when choosing a foil.
In this video I breakdown all the features to look for in a foil and give my view of F4's GP series after riding it for almost a year.
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@mortenjensen2298
@mortenjensen2298 6 ай бұрын
Hi It would make easier to make a choise if you compared to other brands. This video felt more like an advent for F4.
@scp8412
@scp8412 6 ай бұрын
He obviously reviews what he gets sponsored with without getting to try new wing design. Have not scene one free-fly shot showcasing the glide.
@westcoastwingfoil
@westcoastwingfoil 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comment! That is a fair point. I tried to compare to 2 top brands, Naish and Sabfoil. My hope is that most people have those on their radar as high competing foils so it would be a helpful benchmark. I'll do my best to get access to more foils to proivde a wider array of options in the future.
@westcoastwingfoil
@westcoastwingfoil 6 ай бұрын
@@scp8412 I don't even know who free-fly is... Is this a foil you think competes as being one of the best in terms of speed, stall speed, stiffness, and glide?
@scp8412
@scp8412 6 ай бұрын
@@westcoastwingfoil just meant gliding downwind on foil without using wing power.
@afkfoil4784
@afkfoil4784 6 ай бұрын
I also disagree heavily (most of all with the "Foil Size Front Wing Surface Area" chart) That might be true for starters but for the majority of people its like -400 cm² in every catergory. In addition to that a 1450 cm² foil can't be top measure for most people. I see why you think that it would, because it seems to start really late, but also F4 seems to be manufacturing very big and thin foils with the smallest one being 1050 if I looked it up right. In my opinion weight does matter big times. For me at around 70 kg (154 lb) it was easy to start at 1600 cm² and very soon after figuring out how to foil go down the scale of foils to the 1200 mark and today I also can use 750 cm². In reality people who crave for speed like @dengordo do already drive very small foils around 700 cm² in minimal conditions around 7-10 kts and compare the lack of minimum stall speed by using big wings around 7 m². Its the same on my lake here only that they favour sabfoil brand. If you really want to compare the speed alone you should track your gps speed in comparable conditions and on comparable equipment.
@westcoastwingfoil
@westcoastwingfoil 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for your input! I always appreciate alternate perspectives. Just to clarify, you're wing foiling a 400cm2 front wing in 7-10 knot winds on a lake? That would be really imprrssive/ surprising and definitely require a lot of work and pumping skill. Also to me the upside (speed) would be marginal compared to a slightly larger front wing. I agree with the larger hand wing. I have a 7m and love it for light winds! But with a small front wing (higher stall speed) you still have to jibe faster which is more difficult especially for beginners/ intermediate riders and the larger sail doesn't make it easier (other than giving you more power). I love Sabfoil. Road it for a long time and still have one. I actually did use GPS from my GoPro Max to see my top speeds in different wind conditions and found I was achieving higher speeds on my F4. This also gets reinforced by pro riders on the world circuit... F4 is placing in top spots very frequently. I appreciate you challenging some points raised and do agree that some items are up for debate and a bit subjective. My goal is to help riders improve through my experience but I don't pretend I'm going to be right about everything. Thanks again for your input and perspective. 🤙
@afkfoil4784
@afkfoil4784 6 ай бұрын
@@westcoastwingfoil Hi, no big misunderstanding there! I can (and I really can't say that I am an expert) wing with a 750 cm² front wing as stated above. I wouldn't recommend it to everyone nor on all conditions but when you have 15 kts its really no magic going on there. The -400 applies for your graph/chart for front wing cm² recomendations and thats where I disagree heavily because I had much trouble starting out on a 2500 cm² front wing I couldn't get enough weight on my front foot and found out some fellows had the same issue. In my opinion subtract 400 cm² for beginner advanced expert in every category that would be much more realistic. I went away from big hand wings I also had a 7 m² and to me they don't make much sense because I am 1,8 m tall so pretty much average and heavily impaired on pumping with such a big wing. I drive a 4 m² hand wing in almost every condition now and that works fine for me even in very low wind. You are very right about small front wings and problems with learning manouvers but on the other hand you can reuse the energy when already driving very fast which you can't with a big slow front wing. Same thing with wind lulls and gusts. But I concentrated on the matter of speed only and therefore just watch a video of @Dengordo on his 600 or 700 cm² front wing you will see what a big difference that is compared to your 1450 foil even if it is a very good one (which I don't know / haven't tried it). I quoted DenGordo here because he races and is out for speed AND he tracks his gps also so you can compare numbers furthermore his videos are kind of entertaining. I don't want to support any brand. I simply cannot imagine that with all the extra drag of a 1450 you could anyhow reach anything like that even not with a 1050. SInce you gave no gps stats I can only guess it from the spray of your mast and so on. Thank you for your very kind words I also only want to help other riders. In the end a foil system is always a compromise and it matters very much what you intend on doing with it. My guess is: Most people out there want a foil that can pretty much do everything (waveriding/ go fast/ responsive/ go well against (heavy) wind / jump/ efficient/ go long distance).
@comment8767
@comment8767 6 ай бұрын
Pssst... your hat is on backwards.
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