I wonder if he would actually say that considering the alternative.

@@fred3893What’s the “alternative” ?

@@jackthebassman1 The alternative to Heaven is obviously Hell.

@@fred3893 Another delusional invented by the religious hierarchy to keep believers from questioning the ridiculous fantasy.

@@jackthebassman1 Or Not.

All of this, he's a treasure

Recently someone said to me “ I can’t believe you don’t believe in god”, I just responded I don’t believe in antiscientific fairytales. I have faith in science, I believe in evidence. I’m a Free Thinking Athiest.

​@memybikeni9931 great comment. Ha ha I think that way to. Especially like the antiscience fairytale ha ha

It was Gay Byrne, a highly respected Irish broadcaster, and being Irish I would assume he was also a Catholic, for whom the idea of someone berating God for the suffering and injustice in the world would have been utterly shocking. The thing is; my youngest son survived leukemia, so I've spent a lot of time on a children's cancer ward and seen them suffering. You would have to be utterly stupid not to question what kind of god would allow such a horrible thing.

I saw that interview and it was brilliant to see gay byrne put in his place by Stephen fry .gay Byrne was a puppet of the state and church and glad I don't see him on TV anymore .

The irony of a (potentially) god fearing Catholic being called Gay is too much to keep to myself.

Having grown up watching Gay Byrne do interviews on Friday night TV I can tell you that that kind of exaggeration of expression is part of his style. It was an excellent interview.

His name was Gay Byrne. He was an amazing man. He was the presenter of The Late Late Show in Ireland. But that look he gave was one of a religious man that was shocked by Stephen's brilliant insight. Long live free speech and open mindedness.

Yes he does. And do you know why that is? It's because he's honest and he is relating the truth (that religion, of any sort, is bullshit).

@@sophiafake-virus2456 Can you point to anything where I assumed anything about you? (Please make sure that you take your medication on all weekdays.)

@@sophiafake-virus2456 Re. _"… I assumed …"_ thanks for admitting that I wasn't originally referring to you in any way and that you have serious (unresolved) issues. (Psst: I didn't realise you existed when I posted my first comment in this thread. Get it?). I'm no longer _implying_ that you are not sane. We all now know that outcome for sure (based on your illogical and farked-up comments). Here's hoping that you don't dig yourself deeper (you do realise that these comments are forever, don't you?).

I think you mean telling it like YOU think it is.

@dominionphilosophy3698 Is there a point to your stupid reply? Is this the classic religious cult member demanding silence from critics so as not to have to contemplate that his fantasy is really a farce? As an Irish person I find the slavery of the RC church to be one of the greatest crimes inflicted on the Irish people. And the contempt of the interviewer plays this out. "How dare you challenge my belief in a fairy tale daddy in the sky keeping watch over me and promising me eternity! Please don't make me grow out of my childhood delusions! Stop making me think for myself!" Christianity is pure evil.

Yep and it's especially surprising from that presenter who in his early career was by all intents and purposes against the churches influence in Irish society around issues of abortion gay rights etc... I'm not saying he gets a pass but certainly at the time the contempt was surprising, I think too that the reason the look was so prevalent was because on some level Gay Byrne knew the flaws stephen fry was exposing were valid.

Gay Byrne - monkey see, monkey do. Give these ignorant people not one second of your time. God is as real as Santa or the Easter bunny. Simple minds need a reason to get up in the morning. That reason is some celestial being, created by the dreams of the misdirected.

That's gay byrne, sanctimonious prick

It didn't shake him at all... He was disgusted at fry, everything he said and he wrote it off almost as quickly as the words came from fry's mouth. That man is fully, indoctrinated... And a conversation with fry, or anyone, even a demonstrably and testably real, yet different god... He could converse with an omnipotent being who told him his beliefs were stupid and incorrect and it wouldn't change a thing in his mind; that's the scale of how fundamentally broken these types of people are, and frighteningly they are the majority. Think about that for a second... Globally... People like that are the majority, wild isn't it?

It's unfortunate, that what Stephen also says: "Did the mistake of being honest", is also quite true... And being honest, unfortunately gets you into trouble with the ones that claim to be "morally right!".. I don't envy your position, and I wish that your family could just get 10 seconds "in your head" to "see what you see".. Then they'd know, that you're not a "EVIL UNBELIEVER!" by "DENYING GOD!"... They'd know you're still, and possibly more, a loving person.

@@arsenic1987 No, they're not bad, per say. It's just that majority of them are religious but not to an extreme. Most'll probably be fine about it, but I don't know if my grandparents and some of my extended family members might like it.

That's actually a lie: • Christians and Catholics aren't on the same boat at all. But out-of-touch Hatetheists love to stereotype the two out of ignorance. • Religious people caused 6% of atteocities throughout history, while Nihilistic people caused 92%. (Source: The Encyclopedia of Wars) • Hatetheists will use anything as a weak excuse to leave God, rather than to finding a personal relationship with Him.

From what I have read, this was found at the Mauthausen concentration camp, not Auschwitz. The idea is of course fitting and relevant to the topic either way.

Mic drop😂

Reading this is a reminder of how extremely painful it was for me to acknowledge there is no higher power that is going to protect or help me. I still feel so betrayed by the bullshit that continues to be fed to and believed by millions of people.

This is one of the worst arguments for atheism, but it does show atheists are atheists for emotional reasons. Nothing to do with logic or reason.

@@tayzk5929 for the sake of your comment, what does becoming more logical & more critical of religious dogma by means of emotion have that could be a negative?

@@NormalizingAtheism That's not for the sake of my comment at all, your reply has nothing to do with my comment.

As I said to a friend turned Jesus freak , if there is a down and hell is all fire and brimstone " you're gods an evil fucker , any creature that would burn any other creature for eternity is an evil psychopathic fucker".

Right on! 🤘🏼🥃

​@@MichaelJamesKZfaqHow did you do that?

Getting better access to education, will do that.

Just not true ….doubts grow but intelligence doesn’t.. The western hemisphere spells belief without an added e …

The Middle East needs to evolve too.

Actually, that's a lie to, here's why: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZqEnJSKqLy4pIk.html

@@KenMasters. Those slides are JUST projections, not actual facts.

It´s funny you should say that. There are loads of atrocities one could despise him for but being in the Hitler Jugend isn´t one of them.

Like oh I don't know covering up for child abusing priests, now that's morally evil

@@markbriten6999 or telling Africa AIDS is bad but condoms are worse. Compared to that vile stuff, being forced into the Hitler Jugend is minor.

Your church rapes it’s youth members

Percentages don't exceed 100, so we'll assume that's hyperbole.

@@jimnewcombe7584 I bet you’re great fun at parties

@@Clarity_Control I'll try any drug going, and have plenty of goodwill - but lax inexactitude is diabolical at parties.

Oscar Wilde converted to Catholicism on his deathbed.

He was hours away from death and in extreme pain. He didn't want to cease existing so probably figured it was worth a shot. If the plane you're in is on fire, you might grab any backpack as you jump out because while you know it's probably not a parachute, doesn't hurt to hope.

@@peytonmac1131 Indeed - but that's not the way it works. You can't cling to the hems of religion because fatality occurs. I'm not saying that as someone who adheres to a religion either. But then the notion of a God (or gods and goddesses) is distinct from religion.

Coming soon...

I`m so glad that survival endures in your family. But where does you family come from ? At some time in the past it must have either come from nothing or come from something which must neccessarily exist. That which comes from nothing is the very definition of Magic and that which must exist is the very definition of God. Ergo you believe Magic or you believe in God.

@@dogwithwigwamz.7320 You know absolutely NOTHING about my family, and to pretend you do is dishonest to say the least. I was a toddler of 18 months and in my mother’s arms when we were struck from behind by a heavy vehicle that failed to stop. My poor father wasn’t in the vehicle at the time and on hearing a crash ran back to see a scene of horror my mother dead, with me in her arms in the mangled remains. I was severely and critically injured and at 77 suffer increasingly from those old injuries, my poor dad was left with a stutter and endured nightmares for many years after. He told me when I was a teenager that it was only the fact that I had somehow very narrowly survived and was hospitalised for many months that stopped him from taking his own life. My step mother was a wonderful lady who brought me up as her own but was struck down first with polio and then tuberculosis and spent many months in hospital; my step brother and me were brought up by my grand parents. This “god” was supposed to take care of us, but obviously went awol. As it is awol for the millions of innocent little children for whom he created some exquisite conditions, ie childhood leukaemia, bone cancer to name just a couple - it also created such amazing life forms as the insect that drills into the eyeballs of toddlers (very prevalent in the impoverished third world) to gorge its vile self on living brain tissue to then er up out to fund other juicy victims leaving the unfortunate toddler a shuffling, dribbling, blind zombie and a further burden on an already impoverished family, anyone who justifies this couple of examples of the “lord’s” loving care is either very successfully indoctrinated and terrified of the threats in the scriptures that to question “gods” existence is the only thing that will not be “forgiven”, question “god” and burn - the scriptural threats make the mafia look like kindergarten nurses by comparison. Any belief that has to be held in place with mafia type threats is not worth even considering, unless of course terror is used to convince people to comply. Further: Belief in a deity than cannot be seen, heard, felt or experienced in any sense apart from the imagination is just plain stupid and is achieved via years, or generations of indoctrination and is incompatible with reason and so the existence of such a thing is so absolutely remote as to be considered irrelevant by any rational person.

I’ll pray for you.

@@NormalizingAtheism find something to do that ll learn you something n stand you in good stead...instead of time wasting!

@@NormalizingAtheismlol, that’ll work just as well as all the other prayers.

Depends on what is meant by 'god'. Is a God all-powerful, or just more powerful than humans? All-powerful would have no reason to create us, but just powerful might.

My only question is , how and why would any real god threaten his own creations??? I can find no real reason that any real god would have a need to …

@@jgage2344 Why would a god create anything in the first place? Some desire to bring about new life? Or some form of loneliness? Or just felt like being artistic? That implies the god has emotions, feelings or desires. If it can feel those things, why wouldn't it feel negatives as well? Annoyance, sadism, boredom. Why do people threaten their SIMs characters? Why do people go on kill-runs through Skyrim? Or write books where horrific things happen to the protagonists? A god may hurt us for no greater reason than nothing better to do, or wanting to see how we react. Who is to say that we aren't just an experiment, designed purely to test out some new program god calls, "Life"? Maybe we're the prototype or Alpha model Universe, just something to mess with and play with ideas before building the real version. God doesn't need to threaten us as creations, the sheer power gap between us would make us non-entities to such a being. To a being that could create the entire Universe, we are nothing more than amoeba in a petri dish; just waiting to be poked and prodded to see what happens.

Another great argument that I haven't heard anyone emphasize, esp. since the blockbuster Oppenheimer movie. "What kind of god creates people, helps them along to 2 billion strong, and then allows them to invent nuclear weapons?"

Those who lack wisdom will see nothing but words of speculation. Because the fool hath said in his heart there is no God.

@@KenMasters. Bravo 👏 😆 🤣 😂 😹

That was the late, Gay Byrne. Irish presenter and host of radio and television.

@@michaelzajic6231

He not correct I understand stand him but Jesus is a good person

@@christopherjones6814 May of been a great person but that's what he was a person like the rest of us nothing more nothing less

Amen to that Tommy

@@bobbierocksbuster5584 he's going to hell

@@nathaniel2874 ain't such a place unless you mean south London

@@bobbierocksbuster5584 hell is real fool

@@nathaniel2874 so is Santa,the tooth fairy and god,one dies, gets buried,is eaten by bacteria,end of story,now go pray your false god isn't judging you

Then he would like “you”to get an education..speak and type properly!

or Dostoevsky ....

James Randi.

@@williamwilson6499 Ah, shit. Thanks!

I would add Sean Carroll and Brian Cox to your list. Cheers

The creator(s) is/are flawed or is/are bipolar. The evil/suffering in this world is here by accident (flawed creator(s)) or on purpose (bipolar creator(s)). There is some good on this (flat) Earth, for now at least. Try to avoid the death-light probably(?). Publicize the South Antarctic Ice Wall and Real North Pole ASAP.

Jehovah aka the god of this world aka satan. He's fooled everyone. While they worship him, he's just harvesting their energy. The lord archon.

Very well put.

Or Donald Dump. 👍

I'd like to hear more about this voice in the Vedas, may you elaborate?

True, that in most countries you are not compelled to follow any religion (in some you most certainly are compelled) but that is not the point, the point is that that religion actually does harm to humanity, it causes normally rational people to do irrational things. (fly planes into buildings, spread lies about condoms that then causes people to die from aids, that sort of stuff)

@@sidecarbod1441 I don't disagree with any of that. The manipulation of religion has been used to justify horrific acts. Undeniable but equally such acts have been committed without religion being any factor in it. It doesn't follow that without religion, such things wouldn't happen. It's humans who commit these acts. You also can't ignore a huge amount of good that is done in it's name. The charitable endeavours and organisations that exist and help millions of people. I'll defend anyone's right to call out any religion but to be so vehemently opposed just doesn't make sense to me. Same way I don't understand deeply religious people who try and preach to non religious people. Just live and let live.