The Best Overland Ground Tent?! Detailed Review

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We've had the T3 and T4 Gazelle Hub Tents for over a year! Time for a detailed review! We are not easy on gear, and you definitely want to check out this tent.
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@beekind466 3 жыл бұрын

I own it! Hot tip- put the rain fly on before you pop up the top. Love my Gazelle T4 becsuse I can set it up and take it down by myself. Best tent I've ever owned.

@JoshuaWriter 5 жыл бұрын

Bought this tent because of your video, took it on a 3 week camping trip across AZ, CO, and NM. Worked perfect, better than I thought. Never want to use a regular tent again. Everyone who watched me put the tent up, said something like ... "wow thats fast"...

@singletrack_king7700 3 жыл бұрын

Says sold out :(

@matthewmoser2090 2 жыл бұрын

no problems with rain intrusion?

@JoshuaWriter 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewmoser2090 nope, it's very well made. The bottom rises off the ground. Camped in Vail, Colorado during a rainstorm and was fine.

@thebigempty_5792 4 жыл бұрын

NUMBER ONE (pun intended) reason I love my T4.....3am and I need to winkee....get up, stand up, go to other door not used for everyday entry....find something to aim at...back to bed! BTW this is not done in state parks this way LOL....I'm way out alone, just to clarify!

@viperbl69 6 жыл бұрын

Bought one of these a year ago and love it. It will fit two adult size cots in it with no issues. Sit up and tear down are VERY easy.

@OregonMike 4 жыл бұрын

You are the 6th review I have seen on this tent. All the others I watched were complete crap. First time users in the backyard... your the only one that said there were 2 doors on opposite sides, that the floor was thicker than the rest of the tent, and you actually used the tent out camping. You earned a sub from me for not being a typical youtube gear pimp

@jliotti 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. I’m proud to be an OB member. I was using a Rightline truck bed tent. Just came back from 3 days out and ordered a Gazelle T4. Particularly for the reasons you mentioned, mobility and ease of use. You’re building a great community - thanks for the hard work.

@shanelewis6780 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve owned the two room version over a year now. It is the most durable tent I’ve ever owned. The material it’s made from is heavy duty. I live on the pacific coast and high winds are frequent. I made the mistake of not staking it all down once and it blew away about 200 yards across my field. Nothing broke I was amazed! I highly recommend staking this tent down evry use. Great review video!

@AmandaWoolsey 5 жыл бұрын

Shane Lewis Hi Shane, have you had it in rain?

@MikeMacias 5 жыл бұрын

How do you like the size of the big tent

@schoocg 6 жыл бұрын

Fully agree with your philosophy of roof top vs ground tent. To each their own but for me the flexibility of not having to stake your truck to the ground, metaphorically speaking , gives far more freedom.

@seanamoody-mills8685 5 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review. I was debating the Coleman vs. The T4 and you have helped me decide to pay a little more and get this better quality tent. Thanks so much!

@EnriqueSonora 6 жыл бұрын

great review. I've been eye-ballin' this tent for over a year and was speculative due to the lack of a detailed reviews in the past. Thanks!

@dvonehrlich 5 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed hearing someone talk about the “frustration factor” when evaluating gear. I experience this and feel it is the biggest determining factor in what I use. So many things seem so high-speed and expensively perfect until that one thing keeps bugging the hell out of ya’ makes you chuck it in the fire.

@Jfeo79 6 жыл бұрын

great video i appreciate the fact that you provide other options based on a regular joes needs

@rlj151 5 жыл бұрын

Now this is the type of tent I have been looking for. Especially one that I can stand up in!

@HammerHed13 4 жыл бұрын

I've had this tent for a while and it is built like a tank. Worth every penny. Tip-- Get some 4 foot dog leash to use instead of the cheap tie line. Hook the clasp to the tent and stake the other end to the ground. Stronger, faster set up and easier to pack.

@reallifewithjuicetraincomi9585 Жыл бұрын

Even years later, great content!

@OverlandBound Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@campwardbound3513 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome. We camp in a huge E350 sleeper van. When it's hot, we prefer sleeping in a tent. This tent looks like it's made for us. We looked at Roof Top Tents and decided that getting up in the middle of the night to pee is dangerous and inconvenient. I have 17-year-old REI base camp 4 & 6 tents. Both are great tents. Not too hard to set up. However, we want something even easier.

@charlesgardner4875 6 жыл бұрын

Great review thanks so much been waiting on this one for a while since no one else as of yet done a review like this. After watching this I'm sold on getting one of these for price much cheaper than a roof top tent.

@wyattoneable 4 жыл бұрын

That tent has some nice options and I love the quickness of the set up.

@austinreffler7294 6 жыл бұрын

We just got back today and we decided we needed an easier tent to set up now that we have kids. Great review definitely looks like it will fit our needs!

@johnlapsansky 5 жыл бұрын

I just wanted to thank you for your video and review. I'm getting ready to buy a tent for overlanding and my wife and I are in our 60's. So we love the look and the thought of a roof top tent on our Jeep JK in order to be off the ground in our desert area. But, we are not thrilled about the roof racks, climbing up on our lifted jeep to secure the tent, and not being able to drive our jeep into the garage during camping season. After viewing your video, we have simplified our choice, and will be going with the Gazelle T3, with cots so that we are off the ground in the tent. Injuries at our age, along with being out in country scare us, so limiting those possibilities is a priority. Thank again.

@OverlandBound 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Glad the review was helpful!

@TeamBoogie 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the review, I have been looking at that tent.

@MattRingel 6 жыл бұрын

Wow! I loved the 360 degree view from inside of the tent. Thanks for a great review. Now I just need iamJake to do a review of his popup tent.

@bradmiller9993 6 жыл бұрын

Nicely done; not too short, not too long and loads of great info. Thanks...

@michaelp3336 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think this was the best tent review I have ever watched...Well done Sir, thank you.

@garbinator09 6 жыл бұрын

Dude! Love this setup! You are exactly right! I am older and have bad knees, No can climb RTTs. Besides, I gotta get up and pee during the night and do not wish to piss in a Gatorade bottle. I would use a cot in mine. Really like the ventilation. I suppose the LED tent light is a bright addition. The velcro makes it handy to wire in my CPAP machine. Easy-Peasy setup and take-down is the best! Thank You 🙏

@rlj151 5 жыл бұрын

Ditto about RTT's, and the CPAP. I'm thinking inflatable double height mattress myself.

@MongooseReflexes 5 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic & concise review. Very high quality production as well. Subbed.

@toddwaller8951 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for a very good, honest review. Appreciate your insight. This is better than the Kelty I was looking at. I agree 100% about a roof top tent. They are great, but you are stuck unless you pack up camp any time you want to explore...

@UnknownOverLand 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video, even a year later. This next season I’m going without the RTT for a lot of the reasons you touched on, namely the idea of wanting a bit more mobility after finding a base camp.

@TheBeardedJeeper 5 жыл бұрын

Man I don't overland much but when I do that would be an awesome setup. That tent looks great. Great review

@drakejdf 5 жыл бұрын

I just purchased the same tent in green At my local swap meet I never heard of these tents before I wasn’t even sure if this was a complete kit when I bought it from this guy but it was brand new I got it for $35 and when I came home and set it up in my yard I just realize I found One of the coolest tent I’ve ever owned and at the least amount of money. I can’t wait to get out and use this thing.

@marydailey1568 6 жыл бұрын

Fantastic review! Great price for a quality tent!!

@lanprosystemsinc.4720 5 жыл бұрын

Outstanding review! Thank you so much for the overview!

@shaali003 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for bringing me back to Earth. Dang popup's

@josephgunter9112 6 жыл бұрын

This was the best review video Ive ever seen 😂😂

@velonaut303 6 жыл бұрын

Awesome video. Your video quality, content, and overall entertainment is terrific. Thank you.

@quintili1 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the review, I just ordered mine. It looks to be a great tent.

@anpdude 5 жыл бұрын

Great Tent Review, and an even better production on the video. Well Done Dude!

@OVRCRWLR 3 жыл бұрын

fantastic review! thorough and detailed. I'm buying the overland edition today and this will be the last review I need to watch. Thanks a lot!

@buzzpedrotti5401 4 жыл бұрын

Love the Stanislaus National Forrest in the late spring

@johnlapsansky2830 2 жыл бұрын

We have owned both the T3 and T4. We first bought the T3 because it would fit inside our JK for travel. But when the temps dipped down and we needed a heater inside the tent, the T3 didn't give us the room for the heater and out mattress. The T4 gives us the room inside to place the heater at our feet without it being to close to us. We kept the T3 for the kids when they travel with us. Great tent!

@nynurse2 5 жыл бұрын

Excellent review and great video!. Your camera work was very good.. Im going to look into the T3 Gazelle, cuz I dont need one that big or that heavy, as I go camping on my own frequently..Thank you very much for this!

@XJ1042 5 жыл бұрын

Very nicely done. Great camera work and interesting shots/views. Enjoyed the review.

@mikerobbins5049 6 жыл бұрын

The tent seems to be very nice and well made. I use hunting blinds made on the same hub design and the work well. I’ll be checking out the Gazelle for sure. Good review

@scowger 5 жыл бұрын

Great video and review, thank you very much!

@imathreat209 3 жыл бұрын

Just drove that road this last weekend and it started snowing. One of my favorite places to camp

@DavidGarcia-zw5ly 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the advice

@davidcolinstillman5585 4 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU BEEN LOOKING AT THIS ONE FOR A BIT .

@kokostopmotionart2022 6 жыл бұрын

Excellent review!

@OneManTrail 5 жыл бұрын

That portion with the 360 camera was very well done. Probably the best use case I've seen for such a camera.

@planbenterprise 6 жыл бұрын

Wow you guys upped your production value ! Exelent.

@kwCapitalProperties 6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting. This was very informative as we are in the market for a new tent for our expanding family. I'm going to have to sign up for Overland Bound soon!

@OverlandBound 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

@Elmatt13 6 жыл бұрын

I was considering a roof top tent but thanks to you and the reasons of owning one since I’m in the AARP GROUP, I’m wanting the Gazelle T4. Great video! Thank you 😊

@OverlandBound 6 жыл бұрын

👊🏼👍🏼

@cluek9780 5 жыл бұрын

Liked your assessment of *mobility of vehicle for ground vs rooftop tent. Firstimers will appreciate knowing before buying the fad. Material 210D means “Denier” rather than “density”. Jussayin

@dylanappenfeldt2442 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent Review, Thank You!

@billharvey9959 6 жыл бұрын

Makes me rethink getting an ikamper for my 100 series

@hfjdlofhdkjd 6 жыл бұрын

Looks like the tent I have to have, so I just ordered one. I was ready to pay extra shipping to get it here before the 11th , but you can't adjust shipping. The tent I have now needs to be cut up into little tiny pieces and sacrificed to the fire gods . Looking forward to using the new one. Thanks for all you do! See you on the trail. Wahoo , I am so jazzed the tent got here in time for my camping trip. I'll let you all know if I still like it when I get back. Camp on!

@OverlandBound 6 жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

@bradjd6957 6 жыл бұрын

That is a really cool tent the design is cool. I own a kodack canvas tent and really like it.

@bevoburn 4 жыл бұрын

Finnally an ice shelter style tent that is good for camping that isn't cost prohibitive like the ShiftPod.

@suzuki14258 3 жыл бұрын

I use to hate tents, this one has changed my mind. I see why you recommend it.

@henryswope7734 5 жыл бұрын

This is by -----FAR----- the Best tent I have seen yet. Thank you very much for this review and demonstration of how it sets up. I'm saving up my coin to purchase one; and I have been looking for 1 1/2 years online at tents. Again.....thank you.

@OverlandBound 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome! So glad to hear!

@swkohnle08 5 жыл бұрын

Very useful video. I have been going back and forth on rooftop vs ground. My Overland vehicle is a 2016 Subaru Outback and I know there are rooftop tents available for my Outback, it just didn’t seem like a viable option for me. I’m going to check these Gazelle tents out. Thanks man...

@Kjklump 6 жыл бұрын

I do like that it sets up like a deer blind.

@KLRCoop 5 жыл бұрын

I liked your review and it partially influenced me in purchasing one. The only down side to me is the shape of the doors and if you are tall having to step up while stooping down in the rain fly is on... thought i would add that for the tall guys who might consider this tent.

@trailspinTV 6 жыл бұрын

This was such an excellent review video, and so well produced. I've been watching for a while, and you're really upping your game! Wish this video came out before I bought my REI Basecamp 6. It's a great tent, but when you're setting it up and breaking it down over a 6 week trip, it wears on you. Thanks for this video! OB#8207 & Benefactor

@OverlandBound 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for a you do and thanks for watching! See you on the trail!

@jands0903 6 жыл бұрын

Im in the same style REI tent. All while it doesn't matter what anyone drives its starting to matter for me and my situation what I'm sleeping in.

@TheKPDX 4 жыл бұрын

@@jands0903 So I made the same "mistake" with the Kingdom 6; however, I will note, the REI tents will do MUCH better in the wet. That said, I bought this anyways because I try to avoid the rain.

@brearder119 10 ай бұрын

I've been using my REI Basecamp 6 for a couple of years. I just bought this tent, and I'm happy to see the opinion of someone with both (even if it is 5 years later).

@PrestonGladd 6 жыл бұрын

Outstanding review! I prefer the OzTent, however its heavier, longer, and waaaay more expensive, so I consider this the better buy, but the OzTent is a good product as well for a ground tent. I run a rooftop tent, ground tent, truck cap, and arb enclosure room with walls for my rhino rack batwing as well. I just like to have options. With that said my vehicle platform is a lot bigger as I am running a 2017 Ram 2500 MegaCab Diesel which has not limited me one bit in overlanding. At the end of the day its what ever you can afford that can enable you to get out and explore. Keep up the awesome work!

@mf3enjoi 4 жыл бұрын

Great review dude I was looking for a tent 🤙🏾

@fellowsrj 2 жыл бұрын

Great review. Thanks Mike.

@CreekCat1 3 жыл бұрын

I heard of this tent a few days ago. This is the best review so far. Professionally done and quite helpful. Now I need to decide whether to get the T3 or T4. I'm digging this tent.

@joepalmer75 3 жыл бұрын

They don't have T3 on their site...they may be doing some redesigns.

@jmichaelmilton 3 жыл бұрын

I just bought the T4. While shopping I couldn’t find a T3 and learned the company has paused manufacturing the T3 for now. I hear they will put out an updated version early next year (2021). I didn’t want to wait, so I got the larger one.

@joepalmer75 3 жыл бұрын

After waiting I started looking for other tents. Just ordered a MSR Habitude 4. Much better in rain and wind plus a full door whihc is esier to get in and out of...especially for our dog.. A friend has and they can put up in 5 minutes or so.

@sigabou7296 4 жыл бұрын

The best review I e ever seen

@mikekay213 6 жыл бұрын

Wow a shiftpod design for 80% less, am sold.

@jamessimpsoniii2029 6 жыл бұрын

Sold sold sold!!! I have a kelty dome that has served me well since 2004 and while still easy for me or my pops to set up it dose take a minute. We recently invested a considerable sum into a 15' yurt for hunting camp which we set up in may and leave up until late September as a ultimate home base ad it seems easier that the old pole tent we used in my early youth. We have planned a cross country from CA to VA and this would be ideal for those quick camp situations. So when need the ultimate base camp I'll yurt it and when I need to roam this will be it. To think I was willing to sell my soul for a conquerer. Camping shouldn't cost a half a rural house to do.

@OverlandBound 6 жыл бұрын

Oh man - we hear you! We love simple. This has served us very well. Cheers - perhaps we will see you out there!

@thefamily4runner647 5 жыл бұрын

@@OverlandBound what table do you use to put your camp stove on

@MidnughtMerauders 6 жыл бұрын

Great production

@soaringeagleoutdoors 5 жыл бұрын

Great review

@brei1138 2 жыл бұрын

sweet! thanks bro!

@TexasScout 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like a great winter tent, however, down here in South Texas, it would not have enough ventilation. Basically here, you need a screen house that you can zip closed. Temps get up to 90 deg F at night.

@thewhiskeycowboy-official 5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the complete opposite. I have tented in late fall, and can say with confidence that in cooler weather I find all the upper ventilation (without the ability to close it off) to be a pain since all the heat you want in your tent escapes. With all the side windows and top vent screens, I would say you do have a screen house that you can zip close. But you can't keep heat inside if you wanted to. I would think though, that this tent would probably be nice in moderate temperature zones or use. Winter use... no thank you. The top screens are my biggest complaint with tents now days.... they need to come with the ability to close them just like the side windows. THEN, they would be good winter tents. Until then, for me, no.

@atom31b 6 жыл бұрын

I take two kids with me on my trips, and strongly considered the t4plus. Sadly, the second room is basically a screen room and even with the supplied coverings I just didn't see it as weatherproof enough.

@aladent 3 жыл бұрын

Pro tip....put down 2X2 foot foam/rubber puzzles squares on top of the floor for comfort and to protect the floor.

@GraphiteandCigars 6 жыл бұрын

great review and that tent is super affordable. Pack down size is huge though.

@canesser1 6 жыл бұрын

That was a great review, I need to get a membership with Overland Bound just to support your work and better represent Canada. My wife and I are looking forward to travelling more in the next year and two and I can't see towing around a 5th wheel, and even towing a smaller trailer behind the 4Runner is a real pain for mobility and agility purposes but she draws the line at a roof top tent lol. No ladders for the aging knees and faltering balance! This would even fit cots if we so desired. Love the deployment and appreciate the used state of the cover: proof you've put the miles on it before reviewing it.

@OverlandBound 6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir! We really appreciate that! Perhaps we will see you on the trail! We have quite a few members in Canada!

@canesser1 6 жыл бұрын

Overland Bound that would be great 👍 Good to hear!

@TheDenisedrake 6 жыл бұрын

That looks like a great replacement for our ARB awning room, which attaches to the vehicle and doesn't allow us to leave. We have a KampRite Cot tent that we use for sleeping, but we use the awning room for eating (if there are too many bugs or wind).

@TheDenisedrake 6 жыл бұрын

Interesting. It does look a lot bigger.

@johnkaper1129 5 жыл бұрын

Another great video and a good review of a tent that I wasn't familiar with, but thanks to your review and recommendation I am now a proud owner of a T4 Gazelle Tent. I do a lot of desert camping and have been for years, so I have collected a lot of tents over the years. For the last 3 or 4 years I have been using an REI Basecamp 4 person tent with great results and it is still an excellent tent. Relatively easy to put up by myself, if the winds aren't blowing too strong, you how the wind can blow out in the desert. I was intrigued by the T4 Tent due the speed that it can be set up and the good reviews that it received on Amazon and other KZfaqrs. l Ordered the T4 thru Amazon Prime and it was delivered within 2 or 3 days. It arrived today and within about 90 seconds, first time try it was up and functional. Very impressed with the quality of material and the ease of set up. My wife was impressed with the roominess inside the tent and the height. Haven't had a chance to take it camping yet, but looking forward to it's maiden trip. Thank you for the review and your recommendation! Happy trails, John

@MikeMacias 5 жыл бұрын

Do you think the t4 can fit my small family of four and a 50lb dog?

@johnkaper1129 5 жыл бұрын

@@MikeMacias Yes, the floor area is quite large and the sides of the tent are pretty vertical. If you were to sleep on four adult cots, it could get crowded. If you are sleeping on air mattresses and sleeping bags, should be large enough. Get the floor measurements and have your lay down within the boundary and see how you fit. Happy trails, JK

@thatbubbleguy 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! Very well-produced and informative! I was seriously considering a RTT but not anymore. Thanks for saving me thousands!

@choppedandscrewedcustoms 5 жыл бұрын

Looks like I found my next tent

@conniewaite1996 4 жыл бұрын

Hubby and I are cot sleepers now,this will work for us.i see the t4plus has an add on gazebo,cool

@deannalewis7621 6 жыл бұрын

My teenage sisters and I have been breaking in a clam corporation screen shelter for about three years. We started using it as a camping tent by just throwing a tarp on the ground this year. I contacted clam after noticing gazelle put out this tent. They did let me know they have no intention of putting out a camping tent. I am waiting for the day I impulse buy a gazelle tent, the ease of these pop up pole tents makes camping and spending a day at the beach so much easier. Thanks for such an in depth review, a lot of the reviews on this tent are so short.

@OverlandBound 6 жыл бұрын

I'm glad it was informative! If you only need a 3-person, I'd recommend the T3. It packs a lot shorter. Cheers!

@deannalewis7621 2 жыл бұрын

Hopping back on to say I bought a t4 plus in 2018 a month after this video for 300$! It sat till two days ago for a VERY misty and rainy trip to Shenandoah, I have never been so happy and I had to laugh because my sister is now in college and now wants her own! I came back to find this video for her and laughed when I realized I commented here. I’ll NEVER go back to a normal tent and maybe now she will have her own adventures too!

@OverlandBound 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome back! 👋🏼

@jc10907Sealy 4 жыл бұрын

Great review 👍 I want one just for the view out the roof alone! Plus the ease of set up. So many convenient features.

@machineaddictivedigging4156 6 жыл бұрын

Wow that was awesome nice video

@johnh2055 5 жыл бұрын

unfortunately with two 50+ pound dogs, we're int he ground tent group. This looks like a nice option. Cant wait to hear how it holds up long-term.

@treystills 5 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of the tent but really enjoyed your cinematography!

@lestaylor8529 5 жыл бұрын

Great review, seriously thinking of one of these tents.

@ArtofHunter 5 жыл бұрын

I'm all for more options but after spending years using ground tents and having a run in with coyotes in camp I've since went to a RTT. I feel safer in it and mine is fairly fast to setup and go. While yes you can't just drive off in a night drive but I'm not one to do that anyway prior to setting up. YMMV. Thanks for the vid.

@sammyso4940 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting this nice review mate. Question: Have you used this tent in the winter/snow before? I'm really curious if it can handle the cold or be insulated without too much trouble. Also, do you think that rope at the top of the tent could hold a shower water bag?

@nicholask7347 3 жыл бұрын

My buddy has one and it is a great tent. The only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on purchasing one is the folded down length is too long.

@Gettinbentoffroad 5 жыл бұрын

Me and my fiancé use our rig itself we have platform setup but use a small quick pop up tent to put stuff in like ice chest and other miscellaneous stuff.