I would not recommend spending half your monthly income on PS Move controllers

@@radacious29 lmao

​@@radacious29 The price of them second hand must be at a reasonable rate just how we might find them second hand cheap they should consider the price they're sold at locally cheap

@@radacious29 I already have 2

I don't have it, but I've got the index. I'm very much considering this even though I probably won't use it much lol

Radical! I can’t wait! Btw I think you forgot to pin this lol

@@skyrfelkin The edit unpinned it, fix yo schitt youtube lol

@@Cai_VR XD

That would be awesome, thank you.

Would be interested in the 3d model to print and make my own, not scared of moding the controller or soldering

Awe, thank you so much! I hope I can entertain and help as many people out as possible. My next video is going to be quite surprising actually, it especially was to me lol!

Was going through that rabbit hole recently! Thanks!

What's the program called? I have an old CV1 with 3 cameras as well as a quest 2. Would love to try this out.

@@spamspasm8183 Driver4VR

@@spamspasm8183 also little question, how do you think the quest 2 is compared to the original cv1? worth the upgrade?

@@feather9658 i still use the cv1 for beat saber. Tracking is worse on the q2. Resolution is an upgrade for sure but not as “wow” as i expected in the sense that i thought it would feel like a huge upgrade like everybody online says. I stopped noticing after a few days. Text is way better on the q2 but for other stuff not as “wow” for me. Interestingly, my wife hates the q2 and insists it gives her headaches and eyestrain so she went back to using the cv1 as a daily driver. There is also a noticeable downgrade in build quality on the q2. Controllers feel super cheap. If you read a lot of text or play flight sims, then q2 is a decent upgrade. For everything else I’d say stick with the cv1 for another year or so. Keep in mind though that my opinion seems to be in the minority.

Hello, can I ask you about how it works for you? I really want to do this but I am afraid about the quality

It works with any number of pseyes: Single cam is dk2 levels of tracking, more or less. Two cam can work like a kinect range-wise. Three cams get you 360 with some occlusion. You can actually get Two camera 360 tracking by having one camera in front and one camera in the back. It'll just be a lot easier for occlusion to happen.

@@goteer10 can I use one ps eye camera and one kinect 360?

@@wuwuzelcia4049 not sure if you still need help but im pretty sure you could do that. the kinect isnt great for tracking though

Can i use ps camera???

I watched more and i know i cant

Thanks so much! This video seems to be reaching a lot of people and I'm really happy about it. And indeed it does work with Quest 2, but only through SteamVR

Thank you so much! I know the pain of the Kinect all too well lol. I hope you have fun trying this out!

you can make slimevr 5+3 set for less than $100 and its officially supported

You know you can make slimevr yourself right?

@@totallydarth309 Just got a few BNO's locally for cheap, doing that myself soon

@@xatoor For how cheap, though?

Thank you for this comment, I was looking for one of these

Fazendo no Brasil tbm kakakaka bora lá no projetinho. Você.conseguiu fazer?

Without modifying the controllers, not great. With quick movement the magnetometer data gets screwy and the orientation drifts quite a bit until it becomes still again. Plus their awkward shape doesn't do much to stop tracker jiggle, I will say that much lol. You might get better performance with stock PS4 PSmove controllers rather than the stock PS3 versions I use, because of the updated electronics. But it is possible to significantly improve the magnetometer issue by removing the vibration motors, because they have magnets in them that the magnetometer has to fight against. Still unsure as to whether they'll be suited to dancing even after that mod, since I have yet to do that to my feet controllers for the purpose of making a vid soon comparing heheh ;) TL;DR : Not great when stock, PS4 version probably > PS3 version though, can mod to make better though and am waiting to experiment w/ that to see :P Hope this info dump helped in any way lol

@@Cai_VR Thanks for your input, i've just purchased everything you said in the video last night and picked it up this morning, i'll be running my own tests too and see what's best. The info definitely helps! Last question, how about laying down? Thanks again!

The PSmove controllers work exactly like vive trackers do, just they are a bit more sensitive to occlusion with their bulb being the single tracking point and all. I usually find that placing the controller on my back is the best for avoiding occlusion by my arms and legs in regular use; which does mean I have to flip it around to my front and recalibrate when I want to lay down. But it works 100% flawlessly after doing that, and you can choose any number of your own positions for it that might be better for how you use them :)

Its really difficult to pin down a listing for my generic trackstraps, because there are always several different ones up at the same time and they come and go very often. The simplest way of finding a listing for them is just searching 'Trackstraps' on Amazon or ebay, and finding the best priced one for you. Sorry I couldn't be of more help :P

@Cai VR i couldn't find anything that looked good, but ill keep looking, thanks!

To answer your immediate question, you can find the controller .json files in the PSmove service's appdata folder (open start menu and search'%appdata%' then go to the PSMoveService folder). You can then delete any of those files if you want to refresh them, because they'll be regenerated the next time you use them. I've never encountered the issue as you've described exactly, but if the PSmove API refuses to pair other controllers one after another. You can try another USB port with your cable as that has helped me before. But if that doesn't work, after pairing a controller, disconnect (but dont unpair) it from bluetoooth, and make sure that the next controller you're trying to pair is the only one connected to your PC. Sometimes the PSmove API just gets confused with multiple controllers connected to the PC, wether its through bluetooth or the USB cable. That should allow each controller to be paired properly, and after youre done you can just reconnect them all normally and it will work like there was nothing wrong. Hope that any of that was useful :)

@@Cai_VR Thanks a lot! I will try it asap

Check pinned comment :)

Yeah, the Base station tracked solution is definitely king in ease of use and tracking quality for sure. But you do pay the price for it lol. I first tried this option because there was literally no way I could afford base stations and trackers, and when you're in that position its 100% worth the extra effort. Plus after doing all of the initial setup you don't have to do it again, and you can boot it up and start using it right away in your regular play sessions. All very worthy trade-offs IMO for what I would say is 95% as good as the Vive trackers. What kind of FBT methods do you have experience with?

@@Cai_VR I personally have experience using phones through owotrack and just vive trackers as I already had my own base station setup before i had fbt. it is really cool how many cheap or even free methods of using fbt people have discovered

@@Cai_VR I'm genuinely considering doing this because I was given PSVR as a Christmas gift last year, and unfortunately I just never use it. I have two PSVR controllers collecting dust. All I'd have to do is get one more, and the 4 cameras, and I can get rockin' and rollin' for only 100 bucks or so. With the hours I'd be putting into getting things set up, it'd pay for itself in labor alone.

@@nanakixiii3 The reason I tried it out myself was quite similar lol. A friend practically gave me his old PSVR controllers and I wanted to see if they would work on PC. Low and behold they do! Would reccomend trying it out if anything!

I think it wuld work but it would be like the Kinect2vr where you have to stay facing forward at the kinect to maintain tracking.

Oh nice! What components did you use?

@@Cai_VR I calculated the cost again it was actually just 53€ what I used: 5x Wemos D1Mini =14€ 5x 2000mah 3.4v batteries (model 103450) =24€ 5x TP4056 li-ion charger module =2€ 8x MPU 6050 =11€ it's only that cheap if you buy MPU 6050 boards (these boards detect the movement you make) the reason that they are so cheap is they have a lot of drifting (that's what other people say, I didn't notice that much drift) if you want to use the best from the best you have to buy BNO085 sensor boards but they are currently extremely expensive because of chip shortage (currently one BNO085 board is 50€ or more and you need at least 5)

You mean tracking example footage? No not much, I was thinking of getting some out soon though. I've been quite busy recently otherwise I might have some more videos out lol.

Still researching that one, have been a bit busy recently but the vids are spinning up. Should be something relatively soon about it!

I don't believe its too intensive actually, any multicore CPU should fare just fine. I mainly run it on my Ryzen 5 2600 just fine, and have done so as well on a Ryzen 5 1600 without issue. Though I don't actually have any exact performance metrics on it sorry, but if you want I could check to be sure tomorrow. I would think that any CPU that can handle moderate VR gaming should do fine, though you may take that with a grain of salt until I confirm that lol.

​@@Cai_VR Hey, no worries! Thanks for the quick reply, you're a big help. That probably solves my question, but I'm sure some extra testing and publishing of results would probably be appreciated by others if you've got the time.

Check pinned comment :)

@@Cai_VR Thanks Alot. Also I've been on the kinect to vr discord quite a bit recently and the actual devs of the software claim you're using black magic, essentially to get tracking as accurate as you have. Is there anything else you've done to get such good accuracy? What would you recommend for the height and angle of the trackers? I've also noticed you have mentioned that taking the rumblers out of the controllers could boost the accuracy of the magnetometers. lastly, I'm having alot of drifting issues and this is why I'm asking all of this. It's not insanely bad but it's not good for anything that lasts longer than 30 minutes, sometimes i have to recalibrate within the first 15. Is this just because I'm not using a better mounting solution like a trackstrap or belt?

Really? I've been talked about by the devs? Lmao, I guess I shouldn't be surprised with how this video has taken off. That much was already a surprise to me. For tracking accuracy space-wise I reccomend turning the lights off, but not just that, calibrating the Controller Colours and Playspace in the same lighting conditions you'll be playing in. That always helps improve tracking, but isn't necessary as you've seen in some of the example clips. For the placement of the cameras, I've found that 30°-45° tilt is usually ideal for my 2m x 2m playspace. Always ensuring the cameras have good overlap is pretty much essential for good 360° tracking too. I'm not sure how larger playspaces will fare because of the lower resolution of the cameras, but that is one thing I can see being troublesome. And yes you are completely correct that taking out the rumblers from the controllers does noticably boost the magnetometer accuracy. I've only done it in my hip controller because I was saving that comparison for another video coming soon, but it is the most accurate of my controllers orientation wise. As for your drifting issue I am not sure. Check if you've set all the controller filters to what I showed at 13:14 , thats the only thing I can immediately see causing drifting. If you're using PS4 version move controllers they don't have magnetometers in them, so that could possibly be a lead. But I don't own any PS4 versions so I cant really say exactly if they even do that in the first place. If it's your mounting solution causing the drift you should notice the controllers themselves physically moving out of place. So if its that just try and mount them more securely. I hope that any of this might be helpful!

Hey can I ask, how long does it take to setup before playing?

​@@neonuser2345 first time can be tedious. Like an hour. After the controllers are paired, you do have to do an occasional calibration if they seem off. Going through a full calibration like gyroscope, magnetometer, and camera position tracking can take like 20 or so minutes if you know what you're doing. The controllers can last for hours during use. Sad part is you have to leave them connected to a computer or something cause they wont charge on a normal usb phone charger. Something about the data lines have to be detected to some type of device. Unless you find old playstation move controller charging stations. I just use a usb hub to my pc to charge them all while i do other stuff.

Well, i mean you can get the controller for cheap in a pawn shop for like $10 so the total cost is like $60 for me lmao.

yeah and it is still in development so the quality will only increase, unlike this because it uses the old ps tracking

Yep, I intend to explore slimeVR very soon, but as I've said a few times I wanted to compare equivalent capabilities. And the lower tiers don't provide foot rotation, which was an important distinction to me 😅

Driver4VR's gotten significantly better since I last used it, so if you have it you should be able to use that just fine, though the process will be quite different. Though I don't think k2vr will necessarily interfere either

Yeah I can sure, but I will warn you that they were only used for prototyping by me, never went beyond that stage, and you'll have to print them yourself. They're not purchasable online if that's what you're after. I wouldn't even bother with the foot controller ones, because they're much worse than just Velcro tying the controllers directly to the trackstraps. I know this from experience. And the custom hip case is going to require significant modification to the controller for it even to fit inside, is going to be difficult to print and assemble, and also is going to be more annoying to calibrate. I don't think I'll be able to help you with it much either unfortunately. I'll dig the files up later for you if you still want them, but you'll probably be mostly on your own sorry. What format would you like? .f3z so you can edit the CAD? Or just STL so you can just print right away?

The PS4 version doesn't actually need a magnetometer in it because of the updated IMU, so you can just skip the magnetometer step! My bad for not mentioning it in the video, I thought the config tool would mention that.