THV bullets are a decade or two older. Like all of these designs they don't work and only look good if you misinterpret the gel block by examining the temporary stretch cavity instead of the permanent wound channel.

​@@sdgvlkjnasdlfkjawlk^^^^^ Exactly!

Guter Punkt! Gutes oder schlechtes penetrieren ist eine Sache aber ein Versagen beim repetieren? Das ist in einer kritischen Situation das letzte was du willst!😉

I'm surprised to see a Yokai Watch pic 😮

very good point. also id like to add the 80 grain stuff is extremely light recoil even in my small 365xl micro compact

We are planning a video for that soon!

I see no reason why it wouldn't perform excellent on that. Other videos I've seen show they load very consistently with very low SD. Combine that with the uniformity of machined copper and the accuracy should be extremely good.

It is similar, yes. Theirs has four "flutes" or cut-outs in the projectile, and a flat tip. Like a Phillips head screwdriver tip. That's what it always reminded me of. This is a little different. But I see what you mean

This one seems to take some aspects from arrowhead tips. It's pointed, and the flutes aren't straight. they're tailored to the spin of the projectile too. This is actually pretty cool to see. But will my guns run it it? Pointy, weird shaped ammo is always a gamble.

@@SativahBelievah1348heavily depends on the caliber and so many other factors that you haven’t given us even the slightest clues necessary to make even a shit in the dark 😂

Another reason underwood are the GOATs of specialty ammunition. For my striker fired self defense 9mm weapons, 147 grain +p+ jacketed hollows or their 68 grain Xtreme Defender. Both are situational but both perform so beautifully.

@@ghost_tattoos I've studied ballistics for 20 years. One thing I will say is that you can make and take all the jello shots you want, but that won't really give you a complete picture. I say that because 10% ballistics gel, calibrated properly, was developed as a means of creating a *homogenized* media that simulates the *average density* of tissue, and thus provide for consistent comparisons between bullet designs. It's not intended to be an accurate depiction of effects in actual tissue, as the densities and whatnot vary widely throughout the body, and from specimen to specimen. And that's not even getting into the differences in tissue elasticity and whatnot. So, while you can get a reasonable idea of what the bullet will do *under perfect conditions*, until you have a significant body of data based on real world use, you can't really say that "X is better than Y". It's also worth noting that no matter how well a bullet performs in gel, based on forensic data, the actual real-world effects and differences between calibers and bullet types between the various standard calibers is so close as to fall within the margin of error, so long as you're using quality ammo and have good shot placement.

Just from experience, I'm a reloader to start that doesn't do any waterproofing. I had "misplaced " two magpul 9mm magazine's in a swamp section of the woods, long story short MONTHS later found the mags ,had to see how many were bad , only 2or three out of 30 had gotten soaked. Granite any ftf is bad but I didn't expect any to fire. Just saying from an actual experience.

A few weeks ain’t long enough to actually make a difference… so your statement is in accurate..

I’ve fired ancient military rifle rounds that had a tar based sealant around the bullet and lacquer around the primer. Some 303 British ammo I removed for a widow of a veteran wasn’t stored very well. Wet part of the basement, very old house. The head stamps were 1918. After careful inspection under magnification I fired the first few via string on the trigger. Not one misfire! That was back around 2000. I first got the ammo back in 1985 and still have some because I own a Lee Enfield No. 1 Mk III made in 1918 👍🏼 These new sealed rounds will be able to be used by your great grandkids kids.

I always wondered why my good ammo aka hollows have a blue ring on the strikers. I thought it was just indicator for quality, guess I was right, it's water proof quality lol!

@@user-jz5gj9zq5p that blue ring I’ve noticed is on all Federal centerfire ammo. Rifle and pistol.

Actually, after watching the different footage of each round of the Lehigh Defense and the G9, I think that Lehigh Defense is a lot better. The difference is that the Lehigh Defense looks like a screwdriver while the G9 is like a screwdriver with a swirl.

22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results. 22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue. 23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.) C'mon, guys....

22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results. 22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue. 23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.) C'mon, guys....

Lehigh Defense copy.

@@JP-wc8ky exactly, the "swizzle" can't possible do anything at that size and weight.

22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results. 22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue. 23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.) C'mon, guys....

22:40 Full frontal ballistics porn.

Unlikely. They are comparing essentially a parabellum round to a hollow point, at exactly what a hollow point is designed NOT TO DO, and then being like, see my parabellum round over pens unlike your hollow point. Its a biased video for themselves, and it somehow, even tho I like watching cool things, made me dislike the company. This is NOT a hollow point style round designed to prevent over penetration. This is a low pressured ARMOR PENETRATION round designed to kill HUMANS. Let me make this CLEAR. This is a human extermination round for warfare neutered down a bit in allow strength and speed. Hollow points are designed NOT to over penetrate AND to dump their energy instantly in flesh. They do that fine.... except a few gimicky ones. They made a hybrid hollow point round, aka a bridge between hollow points and parabellum, and are comparing it directly to OTHER hybrid hollow point rounds that stuck closer to HOLLOW POINTS and less parabellum, while they went farther into parabellum tier. They are comparing themselves unjustly to HOLLOW POINTS, but using HYBRID hollow points, then making fun/insulting the HYBRID hollow points not being able to penetrate CAR DOORS and WINDSHIELDS and then STILL be lethal to humans on the other side.... like cool, a standard 22 lr can't pen a tank and kill a person in it either from most. This Round is more of a military round. It would be vastly superior to be made of a denser material, fired twice as fast. This would pen military defensive vests and then inflict massive damage unlike our standard pen rounds do. THAT would be its best purpose. ANti-armor personnel round. They already proved the round over pens anything between you and the target and then after penning is still lethal, but not immediatly so as it loses temporary wound cavity once it loses enough speed, but it loses speed via the objects in its way. It is NOT consistent in damage, and it is consistent only in what it will pen. The issue is what it will pen, is everything a normal person doesn't want to pen. Their wood walls/drywall, their windows, and their doors/car house or fridge. You use this round in your house, and it WILL pen your wood wall and tag your children/neighbors/loved ones through the barriers shown. Dead dogs everywhere. So sure, if you want over penetration on missed shots(which hollow points are designed to prevent and have been shown to in their videos as they break apart and become unlethal through windows and car doors hints the point of this rounds creation for police), then be my guest buy the house/school wall penner 9000 today.

Given that pistols stop people by exsanguination, simply put, loss of blood. There isn’t enough energy like a rifle has to stop by shock. As a former LEO and lifelong hunter I’ve had a deep interest in the physics of projectiles. IMHO a copper bullet has the ability to penetrate and a well placed shot on the vertical centreline can hit the spinal column. Instant Off switch.

@14goldmedals I was going to say I'm very surprised that US BP doesn't use some specialty pistol ammo or at least have some officers train with some kind of AP ammo or solid copper projos to be able to get through the steel and windows of cars. Here in Arizona, we see that all the time, BP agents are almost getting run over by cars or are from the suspects trying to flee. You can't always have a rifle on you. Maybe they should switch to a 10mm with underwoods extreme penetrators. I've had luck testing those through a myriad of things, and they function well after going through the barriers in gel

@@AlexSanchez-cg8pz there are some incredible AP 9mm rounds made in Europe for police & military only of course. Here they print that on the boxes to sell more lol.

@@14goldmedals yea that is true and the atf considers regular steel core ball ammo AP they need to get some of the Swiss m39/b ammo it has steel wrapped lead and it's thicker in the front for added penetetration that would work perfect for U.S BP or they can get full on AP ammo with a tungsten core

yea you just saw one of the most expensive ammo commercials on youtube

It's really not

@@Mustardman420 $40 for 20 rounds of 9mm, so $2 a round. Hell no.

@@WarlordEnthusiast How much is your carry ammo? 30+ in most cases so its not that much more. It only hurts on range day.

Dying is more expensive

22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results. 22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue. 23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.) C'mon, guys....

100%

Agreed, and the Lehigh defenders work better, penetrate more and can be loaded to higher speeds

@@deucedeuce1572 I 100% agree, F em.

What are you talking about?? even people who don’t live in friendly states can order this ammunition. I was just on the website right now and you can order everything that they offer. You do not have to be a law enforcement officer, but if there’s something I don’t know, please share.

Uuuummm you can buy these external hollow points I did many times and they are much mite devastating to meat than hollow points

And the ARX

We we're limited on time for these tests but hope to revisit and break down multiple ammos in the future

@@GunfightersINC You’re missing the entire point.. Nobody is upset at the fact that you didn’t have enough time to compare your G9 EHP to every last 9mm defensive load on the market. We’re upset at the fact that the one you did choose to compare it to is one that, according to the manufacturers own website, is not optimized for hard barrier performance, and therefore served as a TERRIBLE (and rather sleezy/dishonest) comparison against your solid copper “EHP”. Hornady has a round that is optimized for hard barriers and that emphasizes weight retention and penetration over expansion in soft tissue… It’s called Critical Duty. But you didn’t want to go up against Critical Duty because you wouldn’t have outperformed it to a degree that anyone would’ve found at all impressive, if at all period. And that’s just transparently sleezy & dishonest marketing, dudes. If your round REALLY is as great as you want everyone to think it is, put it up against rounds that are also designed to perform in similar ways.

Didn't see this until after I posted my comment and yeah you're right

We don't make this round...

​@@evanacey1414 I have carried critical duty for many years. Specifically the 9mm 135gr +P. I don't think the G9 round would out perform that out of a 5" barrel. How I see this round is a better FMJ not a better hollow point. However out of a shorter barrel which is most carry guns and is what critical defense is made for I think the G9 would perform better. So in my opinion I would still run my Hornady Critical Duty 9mm 135gr +P out of 4.5"+ barrels but drop the Hornady critical defense 9mm 115gr for the G9. Because out of shorter carry guns it's hard to get the velocity required for a hollow point to perform correctly. So in summary I think the G9 compared to Critical Defense is an accurate comparison. And out of most sub 3" barrels which is a majority of CC pistols it would definitely outperform critical duty.

Thanks for the feedback! The goal here was primarily to compare the EHP against jacketed hollow points in general and educate people on the benefits to the new design.

I want shotgun rounds. Currently running 00Buck and 1.25oz slugs in a 1 to 1 configuration in my defensive shotguns. A single round would be better than buckshot/slug loading.

@@jameskirk3A. Why, just run one or the other. B. I’m not sure what the performance of copper or brass projectiles would be out of most shotguns compared to lead slugs. Or copper buckshot compared to lead.

Check out Stone Creek petel slugs.

They literally DO exist. It's the leighlei defense projectile. G9 recently came out but is using that bullet. Underwood had them in 300 blackout and in 45-70, 9mm, 380 and so on

375 Raptor > 8.6 blkout

@@alexanderbolias900 We don't use any projectiles designed by other companies except for FMJ training ammo.

@@alexanderbolias900No, leighlei sells the “Phillips Head Screwdriver” solid brass projectiles. G9 is a pretty different design, under the same genre of design philosophy, and is a copper alloy.

GrindHard Extreme Defense ammo is insane. Look it up

The Extreme Defense and Penetrator rounds will run circles against the G9. Unfortunately, G9 couldn't use the patent design of the Lehigh ammos, so they created a slight swirl to it so they would not get sued. Unfortunately again for G9, that swirl in their design makes it less effective than Lehigh based on video footages that shows comparisons of both ammos.

@joer8386 why doesn't anyone just use a Phillips head screwdriver shape? That's essentially all the xp/xd bullets are

@@robinpage2730 Because that design has been patented by Lehigh Defense and Underwood is the only one that has permission to create rounds with that bullet.

@@robinpage2730 🤣🤣🤣

I love Xtreme Defender ammo. It's by far the best I've ever seen and it's barrier blindness is almost impossible to believe. I would carry it as my only defense ammo, esp for .380, but it's just too expensive. (So I refuse to buy it). You can load your own for about $0.80/rd, but that's excessive and unfair already... but then to buy it already loaded it's like $1.00 more per round. That's ridiculous. They charge another $1/rd extra just to load it for you (on top of their already unfair prices). They charge $0.80 cents just for a $0.02 piece of copper that costs another $0.01 to manufacture.

🤣🤣🤣

These rounds aren't for pest control. BBs break human skin barely, but they bounce off.

I think less lead in the environment is a very good thing. Dad of three here. It's good news for gun nuts like us as it will drive innovation and better products for us.

I get it but a barrel is a barrel. Ain't gonna break the bank to replace one. Some guys get 2,000 rounds and some will get 10,000 out of the same rifle/caliber. I think it depends on the metallurgy

@@weldmonger1560 either way i’m more and more sold on the solids for big game even more then pistol/defense use but ill be getting some solid copper 9mm as well either g9 or lehigh

It's the little changes that get more favorable results out of somewhat similar designs.

@@G9Defense Sorry, bro. While I like the G9 bullets, based on video footages comparing G9 and Underwood, nothing compares to the Underwood Extreme ammos.

These can beat light armor. Lehigh's can't.

@@999DirtyHobos That's not true at all. Do a search on comparisons of both ammos and Underwood Extreme Penetrators that uses Lehigh bullets will defeat G9's all day long.

FMJs perform really well through barriers. They just lack the terminal performance and controlled penetration of better designs.

You already know. The Hornady "failure" must have been more impressive than the G9 "success" lol

Cody accidentally deleted that part of the clip when we were cueing it up to review. With that type of high-speed camera, you have to trim the files way down to just what you want to view. No intention to misrepresent anything, just gun guys trying to be camera guys. (except for the Gunfighter's guys-- they are pros behind a camera)

Look up underwood extreme penetrators (same bullet) been around for years and there are some videos on KZfaq of them into pork shoulders or pork butts and Turkey

Not much

Bronze point is a form of softpoint splatter technology. Different concept

As another commenter pointed out, there are basic similarities between the appearance of the projectiles. However, the design and materials used for the body of our bullet, along with the fluted tip, really set our design apart.

@@G9Defense Nosler with its Ballistic Tip Hornady with its SST, ELD, and A to Z - Max Swift with its Scirocco 1 and 2 Sierra with its TMK and TMK Barnes with its TSX Speer with its Impack Federal with its Tipped Fusion RWS with its Speed Tip Lapua with its Naturalis Norma with its Tipstrike and many others all claim the same. The bottom line is they are all basically the children and grand children of the Bronze Point made "revolutionary" with re-tweaking of the core, jacket, and/or tip.

​​@@G9Defensethanks for your work creating innovative designs to protect the American people you guys are truly patriotic love from Israel ❤ the holy land

The flutes are shaped differently. It's the little changes that get more favorable results out of somewhat similar designs.

That's G9's weak wrist brother

@@999DirtyHobos do they load these for 357 Sig?

@@TransformersHoarder Unfortunately not. Be a lot cooler if they did.

@beenschmokin well, good for you! You must be one of those people who don't believe you can't make a better mousetrap. However , I'd like to point out a couple of inconsistencies. 1. There were multiple different projects they're working on besides the "types" of ammunition you so conveniently cherry-picked from a 30-minute video. 2. Lehigh was founded in 2010, which would make it difficult for them to produce the ONE particular bullet in 92. 3. The article isn't about Lehigh, which was purchased by Wilson Combat in 2021. FYI, I love their products. The more, the better IMO. 3. G9 never said they invented the flutted bullet, but they are using advanced technology to continue to improve bullet ballistics. So, there's that...

The clip accidentally got deleted when we reviewed the footage.

@@G9Defense still impressive performance. I’ve been using Barnes TTSX’s for years up here in Alberta 🇨🇦. Is there any performance and/or high speed test videos of your hunting bullets for reloaders?

The flutes are shaped differently. It's the little changes that get more favorable results out of somewhat similar designs.

muh secret swizzle....swizzleswizzle, like they say these days...

22:08 The profile view of the permanent wound track is WAY LARGER in just this 2-dimensional view (measured area) for the Hornady. The latter 2/3's shows especially damning results. 22:58 Again, the second bullet's temporary wound cavity bulges downward with less resistance from the pre-torn tissue. 23:15 Even the first-shot Honrady on a clean block was shot-placed near the bottom of the block so the weight of the block itself would dampen the expansion in the temporary wound channel. You see this where the lower-half of the conical bulge of the temporary wound channel looks flattened. Nice trick. Whereas the G9 got the full upper portoin of the block to expand (including pre-torn block beneath it from the Hornady.) C'mon, guys....

Or increase the twist rate. Higher twist rate = extra resistance to acceleration, achieving the same effect as a heavier bullet. Copper can withstand higher rotations than lead so this is the cheaper option

@@robinpage2730 true but then you have issues of too much rotation and accuracy can suffer. No free lunch in physics. However adding some tungsten seems the only practical way to get copper to watch lead core bullets. But then the price gets ridiculous. But yes ideally a good balanced solid brass bullet would be ideal. Thing is you need larger diameter to keep bullet length down. Things become complicated fast.

Dan Wesson DWX Compact, it's like a CZ and a 1911 had a baby

@@GunfightersINC Very familiar with it Just never get a good enough look in the vid to see exactly what it was. GRRRRR! Thanks KnifeMaker