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I want more inputs in my electronic music studio - currently 16 (8 x 2) using USB and ADAT! Is this sort of kit possible? Using a Windows 10 PC.

@@awpMusic1 I have 40 plus synths and use RME digiface interface into cheapo ADAT A/D converters, Behringer ADA8200 etc. Gives me 32 channels of line in for the synths and all accessible in my DAW. Latency is good at 48k (256 samples = 5 sec input and 5 sec output). I like the stageboxes shown in this video but wonder what the latency is on windows PC say using a Klarke Technic CAt5 to USB

@@waheex might be on the spec sheet? i mean since it is an AI it might have some roundtrip value specified as standard

Oscar Sanchez you don't need the rack mixer if you have the desk mixer.

analog has physical limitations where digital doesn't and that's how it all begins

Likewise! I’ve had mine for about the same time. Recently went browsing for something better to replace it. There’s nothing out there which does everything the Ui24r does. A&H QuSB comes close but is iPad only.

Things are descibed as agnostic! LMFAO!

It can do 32in and out, it’ll sound like shit the other end

Same here. I like that it records straight to a USB drive and/or a computer. Recording redundancy is one of the reasons that I bought it. Another reason is the ability to control it on a web browser page that anyone can access, rather than an app.

I've been using the little brother, the Ui16, for 3 years or better for our church. It's doing just fine, it sounds good, it's flexible enough to run FOH and a secondary aux master stereo to feed into my Studio One DAW to process my Livestream. The USB record and playback slots are nice as well. One big bonus for live sound is these have dbx AFS² feedback suppression built-in. Biggest drawback? I've run out of inputs. So to remedy it I might go up to the Ui24 or better yet go with Presonus StudioLive 24R, and mix on Studio One and/or their UC Control surface.

Yes! We’ve been using a live desk for tracking for years, and more studio people need to look to live world for better workflow AND better sound quality now!

In my job, which is to compose music and make audio post for documentaries, they think to buy me a yamaha TF1, I'm close to saying no, to buy by my own limited means a specialized AD-DA card like the LYNX AuroraN, or focusrite Rednet 16 T. The question I ask everyone, since I don't have a way to test both devices, will there be such a difference in audio quality, to record, mix or master? The thing is that sound quality is quality of life for me.

​@@wampampiror3 use a 30 day money back to test one

What do you use for an external clock?

@@eterna2k7 Wrong person, but I just use an ART Syncgen. I used to use a BLA micro clock mkii, but it just died on me and I didn't want to spend the money. The ART clock has been working great since. 👍

Thank you! It’s always great to know a video has helped someone out, that’s what it’s all about! Thanks for watching, and let us know what option you go for! The AVB network stage boxes like these are a great option if you need to patch in a load of synths and drums machines, and can give you a load of outputs to run to hardware effects as well. Thanks for your comment!

Nikolaki, I have the UI-16. How are you guys connecting your stage box to the computer. I tried the cat-5 cable but windows 10 or my DAW (Reaper) doesn't recognize it. The UI-16 doesn't multi-track record on the usb, only a stereo track but I thought I might get lucky with the cat-5. I can't find any info on this topic, any help/advice would be appreciated, thanks!

@@HenryC7625Sadly the Ui16 only gives out a stereo feed as a USB audio interface. I think the Ui24r is the only model in that series to offer multitrack + stereo to USB. The cat5 connection is only used to access the web interface and in the case of Ui24r also allows two units to be cascaded.

I had one of those, it's a great thing and cheap for what it does. I changed to the Studiolive S3 and I'm much happier with physical, moving faders.

Me too. Ui24r all the way. No need for the band to install apps on our devices thanks to html mixer control. Love mine.

I love it too, except there are no dang digital outputs on this digital mixer!!

The Orion is an incredible unit, good choice!!

When you can buy a 3000 Euro audio interface and can't even care enough to know how its name is spelled, you've got too much money... (It's "Antelope", btw.)

​@@MrGul dude misspelled something whilst writing something on the internet, why get personal?

@@holiosys To me, it has to do with respect and care. Not only towards the brand (Antelope in this case) but also towards other people who will read what you write. If I wanted to praise a brand/company/person, I would definitely treat it with enough respect and care to write the name properly. However, it seems I'm quite the exception in thinking like that, judging by the majority of comments.

@@MrGul Those are your personal values.. and you're free to post them. The ideology of imposing those personal values on others is in my eyes flawed. What may be important to you may not be important to the next. a lot of it boils down to tolerance and passing a little less judgment. All I saw was a typo or maybe someone who isn't perfectly apt in spelling or whatever.. assumptions ... .. tolerance.

What desk?

@@G_handle Spirit Digital 328 by Soundcraft. Quite underrated and functionally ahead of it's time, albeit pretty dated now. I think the Behringer X32 is modeled on it with some obvious modern upgrades. It's been my console, hub/converter for the RME and controller for Cubase for a good 10 years now.

@@sizzloh Dated....hmmm. I have so many thoughts right now. First, I still have and still love my 32-channel Soundcraft Ghost. Your Spirit Digital always intrigued me, though I never got my hands on one, and had nearly forgotten about it. It triggers one of my reactions to this, pretty ridiculous video though... Your board, if I'm not mistaken, has in addition to the Alesis lightpipe I/O, Tascam's answer to 8-channel Digital in the form of DB-25s. The DA-88s had that TDIF?, and the ADATs had Lightpipe. That Soundcraft has both. My point being that, my reaction to his hatred of ADAT still being around, is look at it the other way. That DIGITAL format, has lasted since the 90s. What other digital anything is still being manufactured on brand new equipment today. I was excited that the new Universal Audio Apollo x4, not only has ADAT in, like my Twins do, but also ADAT Out, which makes that a powerful little box for $1700 if you then add a $300 Behringer ADA8200 giving you 8 mediocre Mic Pres if you need em, but more importantly 8 line level Cirrus Logic A/Ds and 8 D/As, in addition to the 4-Unison Pres or Line-ins, 6 line-outs, +HPs from UA. Yes two grand, but that's a serious Hybrid/Hardware Inserts/Analog Stem Processing/Summing rig. Add to that an SSL SiX 12:2 mixer for $1500 and some Mogami to hook it all up, and Sonically you in the money for under four Gs. And the ADAT makes it possible! UA ain't gonna give you 16 more converters for $300 more bucks. But throwing lightpipe on the back and letting it flow through the thunderbolt costs hardly anything extra. Anyway, it's also ironic that he's praising Live World for being ahead of the curve, when it was live world and boards like yours, and the omnipresent O2Rs that hooked into RME interfaces in the first place. He said something like, " ..."it can only do 4 channels at 96k for some reason ". Yeah, bandwidth! Since SMUX, your ADAT has been able to do 8-channels at 1x (44.1/48k), 4-channels at 2x (88.2/96k), and 2-channels at 4x (176.4 I guess, never seen that, but 192k). AND those fiber optics can run 2-channels of SPDIF, at great distances. I've been using this format for decades now, with not a single problem I can remember. It took some dude on KZfaq, talking smack like a Gear Slut with a camera, to make me stop and appreciate the exact opposite of whatever the hell he thought he was saying. Whilst the ADAT machines have all rightly gone to e-waste, the ADAT format has served us well. And well into the third decade of the twenty-first century.

Great units!

@Chad Gillihan Yeah, a friend of mine (who has a steadier hand than I) and myself ripped it apart and replaced the stock power caps with Nichicon Golds with much beter ESR rating, giving the opamps and converters a more steady power supply. It definitely opened up the highs and when we compared it to his shiny new cranborne 500 series converter, MOTU sounded smoother and more natural. Definitely recommend the mod at least for peace of mind, but one warning: make sure the caps are the same height, mine aren't and the lid can't close (which doesn't matter as it sits free in a loose top rack space on a patch bay.

You certainly could - if you’re mixing music for Dolby Atmos then the final render can be done in software, so you could use the 24R for multichannel monitoring. Both ProTools and Steinberg Nuendo offer support for Atmos built in. For cinema release you need to be certified, and there is dedicated hardware the render has to be mastered to.

I have one (and a 16 ch) love it except they seem to have forgotten to store the efx settings so when you power down you'll have to reset any of those from scratch. Unless I’m missing something (??) but I spoke with them or other tech support and apparently it was overlooked. It's inexpensive so no analog direct outs (or inserts if I recall, it's been mothballed since COVID) and one channel seems to have crapped out)

Hopefully yours won't crap out after 11 months like mine did.

MY Soundcraft 22mk Crapped out on me after less than a year, the company I called , they didnt give a toss really, I reckon its a good idea but poorly executed, probably cheap circuits, channels stopped working, one every 2 weeks....pain...why do they always promise so much then they are made so poorly.

@@fatdrunkbaby24 I will never buy Soundcraft again.

@Michael Hansen Yeah. No one really needs more than 48kHz, and these guys have explained that really well.

My main issue with ADAT is how fragile the optical connectors and cables are

Had a quick look around, and seems like it probably works, but basically has been superseded by other connection protocols and physical connectors by now. These newer ones will support more channels and higher sample rates over a single cable, eg. the cat-5 (computer LAN cable) that the presenter Mark is talking about in the video. LAN cables are also dirt cheap and easily available.

@@nicolashauss4075 And how old and dated the protocol is. It's from the beginning of the 90's! MADI is better but was never adopted to the same degree, is still a a very expensive solution (which pretty much only RME still uses) and it also uses the same fragile optical cables most of the time.

maybe i'm lucky but ADAT into a RME digiface is rock solid and any optical connector over about 2£ is pretty sold and thanks to the digital is best push, I bagged a NAGRA T for £50

RME Don’t play around! They can get better latency via USB2.0 than other interfaces using Thunderbolt! Love RME equipment, it is simply superb and yes, ADAT is rock solid on their hardware!

Yes, the hardware supports Windows. You can check out the system requirements and download the software to try it in demo mode on your PC at www.Presonus.com/products/StudioLive-24R/downloads

Hey Matt, the F6 is a great unit! We’re working on a video on recording at 32bit float as video world seems to be embracing that but studio world is very much ignoring it! So we’ll cover that then. Thanks for your comment!

@@PresentDayProduction I hope they eventually take what is so great about the F6 and apply it to the F8 form factor. It might start to get the attention of the audio crowd! Have a great day!

My personal opinion, more moving parts/wires gives more points for failure. Sometimes I travel record events on the fly. Id hate to lose half of my inputs because of a loose cable lol. One big piece of hardware seems more secure to me

@@dariencharlton4773 Never had a problem with ADAT in 20 years other than its channel count and sample frequency limitations. I've used a lot of different stuff.

100% agreed. I've tried almost every sub 2k usb io and only the antelope stuff comes close to RME sound

I’m a huge RME fan also. fireface 800 (10years) never once given me a glitch... Babyface (usb) never had a glitch either. Great support, great low latency drivers, (even on a pc- I’m on Mac now!).great company.

@@algarvemike Man, Im about to acquire a FF800... But it seems the power supply is a common problem in the FF800. It might cost me the same as a Behringer UPhoria 1820 interface brand new... What would you advise to me? I'd never tried firewire audio before, and want a super stable setup, and don't waste my money of course.

@@RenatoPernett Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. I have Anything made by RME in my opinion will be absolutely rocksolid. Iv’e had no issues with power supply after over 10 years of use. FireWire is an old technology now, but I simply haven’t had any need at all to upgrade. Latency has been low. Thunderbolt is the way to go for modern appliances but at a substantial cost.

Ding! We have a winner!!

They’re great - they take a super quiet mic signal and make it louder, with no noticeable noise or distortion and plenty of gain. We’ve recorded probably hundreds of bands with them, both in the studio and live, and I have no complaints at all.

Clocking issues, the fact that you lose half your channels if you need to work at higher sample rates for some silly reason, and the fact that if you’re tracking bands, you need at least two 8-channel ADAT expanders on most interfaces, and then it’s double trouble. Also, I’m biased as I had to work on the ADAT machines in the 90s, and that wasn’t fun. At all. I’d like to see more daisy chain-able USB C interfaces - plug one in for 8 channels, plug another one into that for 16, another into that one for 24 etc.

@@PresentDayProduction Have you ever tried making an 'aggregate device' in OS X'x Audio Midi prefs with 2 or more USB interfaces? I've read that this is a possibility for extending inputs.

Many times, and it’s always proven to be unreliable, or given us clocking issues, or just done something really annoying right at a critically creative moment! You can’t beat having all your IO in one box

Yeah, never had a single issue with ADAT over the last 20 years.

I am wondering too

Same here. As a live audio engineer getting into streaming artists on IG etc, having an ADAT equipped interface I can transport easily in my back-pack and link back at the studio to my older soundcard I put in stand-alone makes a lot of sense. Most bands don't need more than 10-12 inputs at a time; my MOTU ultralite have up to 18 with ADAT and Toslink connections. Why the hate on ADAT? I don't get it. Yes it's an older protocol but it's still relevant for many people. It's stable. Many home studio owners have an ADAT equipped interface : there is a reason why Audient and MOTU still release interfaces with it.

They’re often unjustifiably slagged off, but work a treat and sound great

What is wrong with ADAT? Good question.

Yep. RME claims that actually they can get up to about 45 48k channels on just ONE dedicated USB port. One USB 2.0 port!!! It'll be fun to see what they wind up doing with USB 3.0 and up. Then, with Thunderbolt? Fuggedaboutit!

Totally! Was relating with everything he said, even gave him the THUMBS UP when he said "two decades into the 21st century", but that quickly turned into a thumbs down when I realized the board he's promoting is discontinued. Don't talk crap about ADAT if your equipment couldn't make the grade at all.

Definitely !

@@MarcassCarcass The Studiolive 32S is discontinued? I've been using the 24R for a while now and appreciate how clean it is and the multitude of functionality in such a small footprint.

@@MarcassCarcass Companies are still releasing new gear with ADAT that works with stuff released over 2 decades ago with ADAT. I'm using MOTU 828 mkiis with brand new RME gear and it all talks together and plays nicely. If you're using Windows, it's the best game in town for pulling in large numbers of analog inputs without blowing a fortune.

The StudioLive 32S isn't discontinued according to the PreSonus website, visited with a german IP. Are you trolling or where did you get this info from?

It’s a DREAM. One cable along the entire venue! No more cable snakes!

I have the 18i20 and a scarlet octopre with adat etc- works fine daisy chained... but yea i need more inputs! ps- How do u set gain or 48 phantom if its all just xlr inputs?

@@agesonjohanesburg2915 Thats a good point. I would assume the Gain is preset, so the only control you have is through your daw. I’m not sure at all about Phantom power. Maybe it’s already got 48v running too? Just don’t plug in a ribbon mic 😂

@@agesonjohanesburg2915 you could use a preamp with phantom power.