Garrosh did the only massive thing which was actually giving the Orcs serious infrastructure.

"it isn't you that Thrall loves, only the memory of your father" that quote must have cut through Garrosh because it true

My favorite thing about Garrosh is this seemingly final revelation in his final cutscene in Shadowlands. One of the first things we hear said to him from Greatmother Geyah is, "Your choices are your own." The last thing he claims to Thrall before he dies is, "You made me what I am," and Thrall, MIRRORING HIS GRANDMOTHER, tells him that he chose his own destiny. And in the time that he's in the Shadowlands, he obviously FINALLY realizes that he did make those choices; he did make himself who he became. But then he DOUBLES DOWN, and says he'd do it all over again. Best. Fucking. Villain.

Funfact: Garrosh wasnt corrupted by an old god. He was actually fully in control of himself even when he was 50% grape jelly. That's some willpower there.

Garrosh is a perfect representation of why the Jailer failed. Garrosh was built up as a character since TBC and when he lost himself in his fury and lost sight of what is best for the future of Orcs by sticking to traditions and the culture of war, it was not a rushed process. Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was leagues above what Zovaal was supposed to be.

Stonetalon Mountain's Garrosh is kinda proof of how fragmented the questing writing and design team and "main plot" writing team are, this is kinda of a problem that have been there from the start and it still there today

It's always amusing to me that Thrall put Garrosh, the known war-hungry military general in a place of power literally known as the "Warchief", then got surprised when Garrosh started doing war things.

In the final duel, you can hear his voice briefly break/falter with emotion when he's shouting, showing those previous layers of him still deep down in there.

16:22 Garrosh is so powerful even his mail can punch you in the face.

I think you have the Garrosh Cairne duel wrong. If I remember correctly, Cairne absolutely dominated Garrosh, to the point that Garrosh already believed himself dead. But then by luck Garrosh managed to scratch Cairne with his axe. That wouldn't do anything to Cairne if it wasn't poisoned. That's why Garrosh realized something was wrong when he suddenly won.

yeah the stonetallon thing was because of the dueling naratives between two writers. one wanted Garrosh to slowly redeem himself and hated Sylvanas and slowly wanted her to reveal herself as corrupt and a eventual enemy, while the other wanted the opposite for Sylvanas to become a good leader and hated Garrosh wanted him to eventually become a unredeemable villian.... you can tell who was in charge each expansion as things flip floped to their ultimate conclusions.

I genuinely believe Magatha's poisoning of Cairne might be the greatest contributor to durably fucking up the Horde for all the expansions afterwards. Like, if you think about it, Cairne's death gets us pushover milquetoast Baine to lead the Taurens and puts a wall between Garrosh and the Taurens, gets Cairne's voice of wisdom taken from the council, leaves Vol'jin alone as the last remnant of the Horde's "old guard", sends Garrosh himself down a self-loathing overcompensating spiral of accepting himself as a villain... Cairne + Vol'jin could have been the rock holding up Garrosh as a decent leader, but him being gone was like kicking a leg from underneath the Horde. Made everything else less stable.

The hearthstone book of heroes has been a blessing for voicelines and jokes for stuff like this.

Always a good month when Platinum uploads

I would've liked if you mentioned things like how Garrosh's actions almost led to Lor'themar and the blood elves almost joined back the Alliance, only not going through because of Jaina's rage towards the blood elves of the Kirin Tor and purging them from Dalaran. Which is funny because that was ALSO influenced by Garrosh's actions in bombing Theramore

16:00 I laughed when Garrosh managed to punch her through his letter! xD His violent ways cannot be contained by mere paper!

He really was the only character to come into shadowlands and leave it without any contradicting, contrived changes to his character just for the sake of shadowlands, huh? Garrosh was just that guy.

Garrosh seriously should've been a part of the Revendreth storyline in Shadowlands. Just imagine the interactions of Garrosh never listening to the Venthyr and being sent to the Maw.

Garrosh is still one of my favorite characters in Warcraft history. I very much appreciate the writers for having him stay true to his character. No one was controlling him. He didn't have any ulterior motives. There really wasn't a "bigger fish" story with him. Him basically telling us that the only mistake he made was that he didn't kill everyone sooner is probably one of my most favorite things ever.

I love that there's so much content of Garrosh that voice lines on this video come from Hearthstone and HotS, and it all feels so natural. I love Garrosh's story, and his relation with Thrall honestly makes me emotional. Another fantastic video ❤️

He's a great villian, but i wish he continued his honroable path from stonetalon mountains onwards, a hothead yes, but he would have been such an awesome foil to mirror varian in future expansions. We also lost him too soon, he should have fought the burning legion with us and would have been a great fit for BFA thematically

I still think stonetalon was a great moment for Garrosh. It adds nuance to his character, and it shows he has twisted ideas of honor, but he folloes them as best as he could. Contradiction and hypocrisy are expected from flawed characters, in a time when despite the conflict, the warcraft universe started to slowly but inevitably homogenize.

I think its also important to note that garrosh was heavily losing the battle against cairne in their duel. Cairne was about to end him but with that small injury he suffered and the poison he ended up dying.

Garrosh did nothing wrong. Garrosh for Warchief!

I really hate how Garrosh disregarded everything the horde was going through and basically continued Blackhand's horde. All those Orcs who lived through the wars and were in the internment camps WELCOMED Thrall's new ways, because the "old ways" had them butcher children and left them hollow inside. Grom Hellscream himself was described as a mere husk of what he once was and his brutal ways were his weakness, not an example to strive for.

I think a lot of this could have been avoided if thrall had made saurfang warchief instead. He was someone who was respected by all of the horde races and even some alliance. He had been through several of the wars so understood the heavy toll it could take.

Mad props to Patrick Seitz for his awesome perfomance as Garrosh

It’s interesting to see how wow villains have gotten so bad that people are now nostalgic about garrosh. But now that I think about it, Garrosh is the only villain introduced in WoW that was given proper build-up and character arc

Blizz screwed Garrosh by making him such a psychopath. I remember seeing him in Nagrand and thinking he was cool

And such a great voice actor, be it Garosh, Ragna, Scorpion or Fenrir. This man has such a powerfull voice.

I like it that Garrosh was so tough that he punched Magatha through a written letter. 😆

Omg finally!! I've wanted a garnish story for like ever and a half!!! Thank you! ❤

I was today years old when I learned that my favorite moment from Garrosh was an accident 🤦🏻 I hate that they forced Garrosh down the psychopath route simply because making him learn from his mistakes would make him the most powerful leader in Warcraft history.

TBH thrall is kinda an idiot. He didn't see the obvious warning signs about Garrosh and and just kinda let him be the leader. Worried that non-orcs would cause friction.... then just choose another ork other than Garrosh.

Garrosh was another victim of Blizzards mass culling of strong male characters. Garrosh was by far one of my favorite developed characters. The WOD opening cinematic was the best they ever made in my opinion. The chills seeing Garrosh save his father then tell Gul’ dan “Times change” what a scene.

BEST VILLAIN = KING ARTHAS

Never understood how Grom is a hero just for fixing some of what he helped to start

Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong

Amazing video! Please keep making more and more character related ones

DUDE best video yet, you have the perfect blend, of simplified story-telling, writing and humor! You're a God at what you do and I hope you dont stop. I also hate you though because this vid made me want to go back to WoW after a year long break. Keep up the terrific work you magnificent beast

As someone who's a huge lore nerd, meaning I already know their story, I still LOVE seeing it retold like this. Please keep making these

Garrosh was a hero and was honorable even during stonetalon and the lines he had about the honor there was absolutely not out of character. It was Blizzard that fucked up by making him doing a 180 and changing him into a dishonorable douche later.

What a great video, made with knowledge and love for the warcraft lore. Thank you, platinum

this video was so well done i must say . I love how you used the garrosh character model .

Do more of these more often please 😊 You've got skill

The Arthas title is gonna be: The best Orc in all of Warcraft

We need more videos like this! , that was so good

35:37 damn that whole scene you made up looks sick, him sitting on the throne surrounded by Kor'krons looks insane, even with Gorehowl at his side plus the Horde banner at his back. And the animation looks clean as well, good job. Great video! For the true Horde!

Garrosh was the hero of WoW. We were the villains.

Garrosh did nothing wrong. It was all thralls plan cuz he was allied with the jailor.

It's so good to go back to this story. Garrosh left a mark and his story is one of the good memories i still keep from when i loved playing WoW. Thanks for this!

Garroshs story is so great because it's a battle we all fight. It's a representation of the internal battle between one's ideals and the temptation to achieve those ideals through any means necessary, even those that compromise one's honor and integrity. It's a story of potential and ambition that is corrupted by an insatiable lust for power and a conviction that might makes right. It's a narrative that is similar to the universal theme of the internal conflict between one's better nature and one's darker impulses.

Garrosh is , in his own way, like Marv from Sin City. He had the rotten luck of being born in the wrong century. Like how Asmon put it, if he had been born earlier, he might have been the greatest warchief the Horde had ever known

The comedic timing of this channel is hilarious, Garrosh kicking someone thru his letter, Vol'jin getting up after being killed etc hahaha

I love your videos man ! Keep going

Love the video. Congrats ❤

My favorite thing about the Thrall vs Garrosh Cinematic in WoD is that when Garrosh claims that Thrall is just at fault for Garrosh becoming the kind of monster he became, he's not really wrong. Thrall put Garrosh up to be Warchief primarily due to his own insecurities around his abilities to lead the Horde and fears for the Orcish people's culture. Most of Garrosh's bad traits like his hatred and dismissal towards all non-orcish races, his warmongering and bloodthirsty nature, and his refusal to listen to any advice, come from traits that are the reasons Thrall put him in that position in the first place. Thrall was worried that the orc's were forgetting their pre-corruption heritage, and he was insecure about his position as an Orc who had never known Draenor before it's fall. He idolized the old Orcish ways through a rose tinted lens. Which made Garrosh, a uncorrupted orc who had lived on Draenor all his life and was the son of Grommash, the liberator of the orcs from the curse of Demon Blood seem like an ideal choice. Taking this into account, Garrosh seems like not just the perfect choice, but the only choice to further the redemption of Thrall's people. A redemption which Thrall has essentially made his life's sole mission and has guided every political choice he has made so far. Similarly while Thrall certainly respected and honored the other Horde races, the Orc's were his people. They *were* the Horde in his eyes, so the idea that even his close friends Cairne or Vol'jinn would be suitable candidates to lead the Horde was unconscionable. Sure they were great and wise leaders, but they weren't Orcish leaders, they had no connection to the old Orcish ways, a lack of connection which even Thrall saw as a mark against himself as a leader. Thrall didn't want the legacy of the Orc's to be just that they were a foolish group of bloodthirsty warriors whose hubris doomed their world. He wanted their legacy to be as the proud and noble race he saw them as. A Non-Orc leader would have just been a huge blow to Orcish confidence, it wouldn't help them to move past their mistakes and it might further the dissolution of pre-corrupt Orc culture. So in comes Garrosh Hellscream, a figure the Orc's could really rally around, someone whose strength would help them feel proud in their Orcish heritage. Whose hotheadedness and tendency to pick fights would only be good for Orcish morale, and who is a proven war hero and leader. Even Garrosh's complete unwillingness to listen to council could have been a good thing, after all he was partially right about Northrend, and he was the son of Grom Hellscream, someone Thrall extremely respected. Being headstrong just meant that Garrosh would always stay true to his beliefs, that as a cultural leader of the Orcs he couldn't be easily undermined or controlled. That the other races of the Horde's cultures wouldn't overtake the Orcish culture that Thrall saw as the heart of the Horde. Through this lens it's easy to see why Thrall thought Garrosh would be the perfect Warchief, a true uncompromising uncorrupted Orc who was deeply in tune with the old ways and would ensure a future where the Orcish race could stand proud as at the heart of the Horde. Someone who the Orc's could rally around and offer perspective that Thrall simply never could. In a way, Thrall got exactly what he wanted when he put Garrosh in charge. It just turns out that all of those traits were actually, really really bad things for a leader to have. Garrosh didn't create a revitalization in pre-corruption orc culture as a noble people in tune with the land, he revitalized all the bad and destructive parts. He didn't help them escape their reputation and legacy as bloodthirsty fools who destroy everything they touch, he just made it so people think of Theramore and Pandaria instead of the Dark Portal. And, Garrosh's mistakes ensured that outside of Thrall an Orcish Warchief would be politically untenable for years to come. Thrall's obsession with the past of the Orc's meant that he couldn't help realize a better future for them or the Horde as a whole. So while he's not responsible for everything Garrosh did, it was because of his own shortsightedness and insecurities that Garrosh got put in the position to do those things in the first place.

Oh my gosh, I love these. Thank you so much! Do you have a monthly Patreon?

Amazing video, good job!

Good timing to finally get tusks to drop! Loved the vid!

The issue I have with Garrosh's destruction in Shadowlands is he should have been a pure mythic only phase against Denathrius. Have Denathrius pull from various sin crystals to maintain his power, and then accidentally reawaken Garrosh for him to fuck shit up one last time.

Ooooh a video about Garrosh neat :)

The exchange between Garrosh and the peon had me rolling. "Me not that kind of orc!" lmfao

One of the best video I've watch since a long time

I still think that Garrosh walking slowly into the camera at the end of the patch 5.4 cinematic is one of the strongest moments in WoW.

The death of Cairne could have been a turning point for Garrosh, learning how his decisions made this result possible being used as a tool for evil doing but what do i know about writing

Thanks and Holy Crap, that must of been a lot of work. Love the story telling.

Nice trip down memory lane, great video thanks for sharing.⚔️🌠🍀

The peon telling off Garrosh is the funniest thing I've seen all month.

my two favourite things about garrosh are that 1. he was one of the many voices saying garrosh should not be warchief and 2. that he somehow managed to completely blindside and slaughter an entity that remembered how it would die before it was even born. i fully believe that's why he got killed off so fast because realistically nobody should've ever been able to outsmart this guy.

Nice video man

I was always hoping for this video

I just monologued the whole part of the raid out of memory, man i love siege of orgrimmar

33:25 I would argue the biggest jump-the-shark moment in Warcraft history was the transition from WC3 to Vanilla, but that's just because they had to throw out basically 80% of the plot from Warcraft 3 because it just didn't fit with their conception of faction-based MMO gameplay. But that's just me :V A lot of good came after, obviously, but it was very much a "eh, the story can rot in hell, we have an MMO to run" moment.

what a great video! gj!

i love how Garrosh's letter to magatha gives her a stright punch to the face, litterly

He's Warcraft's Vegeta, and I loved every moment with him, no matter how stupid it got at times.

Despite his later years considered a bit of a psychopath it was only natural for him to become one, no? His story was very human (as in realistic) I am glad they didnt redeem him somehow. He was a product of his past, of his shame and Thrall's romanticisation of that past. He idealised Grommash, that orc although at his last moment freed himself was still a bad person and Grommash himself knew it. He fought his bloodlust and often failed. But Thrall's idealization crowded his judgement and caused the Horde more blood and suffering. Thrall failed the Horde in that regard and then ran away to Outland xD. Thrall was also failed to see by his relentless pursuit of peace he made his own ppl suffer which resulted in a more radicalised Orc populatioj who support Garrosh for his promise of wealth and glory. All this feels fairly well crafted dont u think? Half the reason MoP was an awesome expansion IMHO.

Wonderful video, I think I've watched this video three times over or so in the past couple of days. It's honestly, really a piece and work of art that hits home as someone who played lots during Siege of Org and WoD. His story is grounded in ways which is understandable, I see people saying all the time they don't like Garrosh because he was working against what the Horde stood for at the time but it kind of makes sense. As explained in this video he was ridiculed, and basically bullied for being his father's son because he drank the demon blood. Garrosh really only wanted to live up to this expectation the moment he heard of the great deeds of his father, explained to him by Thrall. WHo - although up for speculation - would've probably exxagerated those stories given his fondness for Grom. It makes sense for Garrosh to then feel some kind of entitlement, given his father was seen as the Orcs' greatest Hero. He's - as Platinum WoW says - an Orc from a bygone era. And he did nothing wrong. Garrosh even admitted the fact he wasn't ready to be warchief, that he was a warrior, not meant for politics. Thrall not taking his word for it is all on him. Although I do wish they took some more time to work out Garrosh's story rather than rush it. Thrall's Horde was good. But Garrosh' Horde was better. In my opinion, if his advisors and all didn't abandon him he could've been the greatest to this day. Alas...

"So bad it's actually good." Lol. That's cognitive dissonance.

Garrosh was a very convenient character that could push the story and force some Alliance vs Horde action without it being incredibly contrived. Sucks that so many faction leaders are just complete non-characters with no personality whatsoever and are just part of some kind of "Avengers" without any agency of their own. Imagine if there were multiple Garroshes among faction leaders and instead having him burn through Mists of Pandaria as the sole villain, racial tensions just make everything slowly implode over time, leading to one big mess. Although another thing completely killing the storytelling is the players being ones to solve everything and it's incredibly lame for lore.

The line of Hellscream is pure fury incarnate

this is your best video by far buddy💯💯

Garrosh is a highly divisive character. To most he's a villain, and to some Horde players, he's the TRUE Warchief. I'm on the villain camp because he did display a lot of unnecessary cruelty during MoP, especially in the Siege of Orgrimmar, where we see the Kor'kron torture Darkspear and Theramore civilians for fun. People also debate whether it was right or wrong of Blizzard to turn Garrosh into a villain, and which writer was to blame (kinda like how the players fought over Sylvanas during BfA and Shadowlands). Whether you're an Alliance patriot, A Horde rebel, or a Warchief loyalist, you can't deny Garrosh left a huge impact on WoW, in both the story and the game. I still love the revamped Orgrimmar. It's also because of Garrosh and his legacy that we got the Mag'har orcs as an allied race.

Man i think Garrosh is awesome. Hes my favorite Horde Leader. The way he went about it and his leadership of the horde is a massive throwback for me to Warcraft 1 n 2. Where the horde were just like that, blood thirsty and their mission was to conquer Azeroth and nothing was going to stand in their way. Thats always been the horde to me. I understand the horde arc really changed and sort of maybe evolved you could say during Warcraft 3 because they didnt want to be that corrupted version and finally have peace again like they did on Draenor. But ive always felt Orgrim Doomhammers horde would absolutely destroy Thralls version though

Garrosh was the goat he’s the embodiment of what every player who rolled horde thought they were signing up for not what the horde became under these sorry peace lovers

i dunno who you got to do VO for garrosh but you nailed it

Fantastic video.

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Garrosh was a character on par with Arthas in terms of memorable (and tragic) villains. We, the players, first meet Garrosh in Nagrand during the Burning Crusade in 2007 and he has been with the Horde up until Warlords of Draenor in 2014. The quest in Stonetalon did give the idea that Garrosh war brutal, but honorable. But they threw that out the window as the expansions rolled out. His world view of what the Horde was conflicted with what we (the player) saw with the Horde. And even now, I bet that people would still join Garrosh rather than the Horde we have now. His death was inevitable, but Garrosh was one of the best characters in Warcraft history. I refuse to acknowledge Shadowlands as a canon expansion tho...

Originally the plan after MoP was that Garrosh would escape prison and gather an army for the Mongrel Horde. An army of mongrel races of Azeroth. Gnolls, Quillboar, Kobolds, Ursas, anything intelligent enough to pick up a weapon and take orders. Strange to think that in an alternate timeline for blizzard instead of WoD we'd see Hogger as an end boss of a raid tier.

Bravo! Fantastic retelling! Fantastic animations and humor! the best garrosh did nothing wrong video!

saw the title and thought to myself "this better be about garrosh"

We all know Garrosh did nothing wrong

Love that Garrosh is wearing “Carine’s” horns on his shoulders while “Carine” is still alive and talking to him….

Garrosh voice actor is unbelievable.

there was a difference, the bomb in stonetalon was done on neutral druids, the mana bomb done to theramore was done to a military naval base

Garrosh did nothing wrong thrall set him up for failure

Didn't you have a garrosh upload before? I remember seeing it before it was taken down, it was hilarious as it had a bit about reading off his list of war crimes during the war crimes novel and the line with the forced impregnation along with the meme audio clip of "huh?" made me bust a gut. I wonder what happened to that.

Platinum WoW: "Everyone's favorite war criminal" Sylvanas: *appears*