Justice Lord Superman has better drip than injustice Superman

Injustice's biggest sin was not having the Justice Lords skins when they had all the characters to use them

I feel the big difference between the Justice Lord Superman and Injustice version is that Justice Lord Superman seem to be more accepting of his role as tyrant. He knows that he's doing wrong but doesn't care anymore. As he said to Lex, he's already done at being hero. Injustice Superman is more delusional, refusing to accept that he became corrupt, choosing instead to blame others and and lash out on them. Despite claiming to have good intentions for the world, in reality Injustice Superman is just driven by fear and his inability to deal with loss and failures.

Justice Lords looks like a type of authority that will arrest you for accidentally throwing s chewing gum at the floor

I like how Scarface is the one lobotomized and not the ventriloquist xD

I always wanted to see the original dcau Justice Lord Superman interact with Regime Superman. While they are similar to each other I wonder how Justice Lord supes would react to the more messed up stuff Regime Superman has done like killing Shazam, breaking Superboy’s sternum, getting Zsasz to kill Alfred, brainwashing Batman in the Injustice 2 bad ending then using his tech and proceeding to use said tech to threaten Kara and do all of the stuff that he does in the He-Man crossover comic (the crossover takes place after the bad ending of Injustice 2 btw)

“How many of us do you have to kill to keep us safe?”

I like the Justice Lord Superman as Misguided than, the Injustice Superman as a Tyrant.

I prefer justice lords for another reason, not only is it plausable, but the main universe was a on a collision course with that future and jlu made it one if the most crucial pieces to the cadmus arc. And supes being an older man, getting tired of the grind and losing some of his good hearted nature and spirit was excelent to watch. It git so bad batman said he missed when clark was kinder and happier and that just hit home. It became a world where batman and superman met in the middle of ideals and personal growth. I relate much more with a character who just got tired of seeing evil in every corner and fighting an uphill battle rather than just crashing out. Would stas superman go evil if lois died? Its possible but its more likely that after years of heroism bearing no fruit he would just go "fuck it, Im in charge now, stop killing or else."

I feel like their motivations would be better swapped. A man loses his wife and unborn child and then sets up a misguided police state with the goal of preventing crime from ever hurting anyone again. And a man who realizes he doesn’t save people to be a hero, but for the recognition he receives from it sets up an authoritarian hellscape of a world where he’d kill his own former friends and allies if they go against him

When I was younger and first saw the Justice Lords episode, I had no idea why the villains were so passive, watching this made me realize Superman lobotomized them.

Justice Lord is definitely better. Too bad people will either conviently forget that this exists whenever they say that hate evil Superman or they'll praise it, but forget that they hate evil versions of Superman.

One interesting thing about the Justice Lord verse is that Batman was the first to justify and side with Superman for killing Luthor. I'm guessing some past events had already pushed him to the edge.

The thing that scares me isn't the justice lords or superman's regime in injustice. It's the people who think that both of those are somehow the good guys or justified and claim that they have the right idea but are just misguided. Rebelling against those authorities is the right thing to do, but it's wrong to tear them down just so society can be returned to a status quo that allowed those regimes to rise in the first place.

You forgot to mention DCAU Superman has had a taste of authoritarian power, through Darkseid

Injustice feels like a poor mans and edgy version of Kingdom Come

The one major difference between the lords and supertyrant Is the death of Wally. This is the one thing in unlimited that put me on edge, because Cadmus and the Government was paying attention to the wrong things, like most people. Waller thought that it was Luthor as president that made the difference, no one even batted an eye at the flash and thought that His Death was the reason. Wally is the one person on the team that actually cares about his Friends, his Rogues, basically everybody connected to him he gives a shit about on some level, and to have him dead, that leaves a massive hole in many hearts.

I think you'd need a much longer video to fully analyze why Justice Lords work better. The biggest problem to me other than its depiction of Wonder Woman being ride or die for Clark is that Superman becomes so unhinged and evil that grief alone is not an adequate explanation. The only way I can make sense of him is that the kryptonite-fear gas that the Joker used to make him hallucinate Doomsday caused actual brain damage.

I like Justice Lords Martian Manhunter suit

Virgin Injustice Superman: *explains for straight five minutes why Batman is bad* Chad Justice Lords Superman: - I've done a lot of things I thought I'd never do. One more won't hurt.

The most recent version of the Crime Syndicate in comics are more of a middle ground between anti-hero and villan than outright evil although they lean more towards villan

I always felt that the Justice Lords' slide to evil felt more believable. What they did, in their head, was in service to the people. They thought that their method was the only way to keep everyone safe. Sticking to your values, but slowly warpping and twisting them makes for a very human fall from grace.

Justice Lord is better, though misguided, they are aware of what they are doing. Injustice on the other hand, it feels forced

What made Injustice Superman a tragic character was that he was effectively taught the hard way that being too high-profile and having a loved one don't mix so well. He's forced into the world Batman lives in. The Regime is simply constructed as a denial to the reality of being a superhero. He recreated Metropolis the way he could, and turned the rest of the world into the same kind of Metropolis, in the hopes that he doesn't have to see the world Batman does. But it never quite worked out. Metropolis under his governance is dark and brutal, like Gotham. It's still corrupting him slowly but still to the point that whatever good thing he's trying to do translates to horrifying results.

Injustice (film) is different from Injustice (game/comics) as in the movie Superman is still with grief and Wonder Woman is supporting him only until a point, while in the games/comics WW is a villain and Superman goes crazy.

The difference between Justice Lords and Regime was there was no 'civil war' also Justice Lords were more lenient with their control unlike Regime's 'kill first than ask' approach though we only briefly saw Justice Lords version and that version reminds me the DarkWing Duck's future regime more which might be the inspiration for the episode.

Batman the vigilante saying laws must be followed...

There's is a evil justice league from that one justice league god,s and monster,s but they are not that evil they are the anit hero justice league

I love Justice Lords, but people don’t give enough credit to the Gruenwald Squadron Supreme series. Still Bronze Age, but a great take on why the Justice League should never set themselves up as dictators even with the best intentions.

Personally I think Injustice Superman should have done a combo of The Justice Lords and Superman Red Son, a combination of lobotomy and technological mind control, so the villain gets to "live" but they'll never possess the ability to even think of committing crime. Like imagine if instead of killing Joker he think killing him would be both pointless and too good for him, so he takes him to his fortress, and by the time Batman gets to him he finds Joker, who has been lobotomised and had technology implanted into his head, rendering him little more then a robot capable of only doing the most basic of things. Batman gets to come face to face with something that is probably worse then if Superman had just killed Joker.

Justice Lord Superman is better. His League started out trying to do good but turned controlling. Regime Superman was a psycho using Lois and his unborn son's deaths to justify horrible things.

The DCAU was a masterpiece

Just a reminder that Kill the Justice League was insulting af to anyone who likes super heroes.

It would be interesting to see a Justice Lord style story where the Lords don’t go off the deep end; where they manage to control those dark impulses and reject them because that’s not who they are. It could explore people have different opinions on what they think is *too* far by having characters express approval or discontent with others’ body counts, but still agreeing with the ideals enough to be on the same side. There’s just tension.

Justice Lord Superman had a little bit of 'Homelander' in him, in that he enjoyed the appreciation of the masses more than the actual act of doing good deeds (which he still liked doing, unlike Homelander who could care less)

In the show when they go to Arkham Asylum everyone has these scars on their head indicating that everyone was lobotomized. You can see in the clip at 6:35.

6:47 Funny how only the puppet and not the guy holding him got lobotomized

You never mention the episode A Brave new metropolis where Superman has gone insane because of Lois being dead

I think of this as how Lex Luther sees Superman normally lol

You know what's really scary is that despite them being "Evil" they actually brought peace to their world better than main counterpart.

I mean... I woulda really dug Suicide Squad if we were fighting the Justice Lords instead of the Brainiac League.

One thing I'd like to point out about the Justice Lords. Diana, or Shay'Ira, I can't remember which, points out that the main League "Call themselves the Justice League" which to me, unless it was just interpretation, it implies the Justice Lords have ALWAYS been called the Justice Lords.

Injustice almost certainly was heavily influenced by the DCAU. Injustice Superman's DNA is part Justice Lord Superman, who had his roots from Brave New Metropolis. Also, Bruce Timm and company went back to the EVIL SUPERMAN! route at least four times, including these two stories, "Legacy" Superman who was brainwashed by Darkseid, and Future Superman who was possessed by Starro. This is a black eye on the DCAU that they kept relying on this storytelling tactic for the Man of Steel. For long time Superman fans, these stories are sad chapters in the franchise's history. We got stories like "Red Son" or "Superman: The Darkseid" where Superman could be raised by some of the worst souls ever, but eventually he'd find the right path. These two stories insist that all it takes for Superman to go unhinged was one bad day, making him something like the opposite of the Joker. This version of Superman is basically only a hero if his life goes well and has no way to cope with tragedy. It's character assassination, especially when juxtaposed by Injustice and Justice Lord Batmen who both end up on the side of good.

Another W vid from the goat, dang we really need a injustice type atory but instead of superman going eveil its batman, having gotham being completely destroyed and nearly his entire family dead because of joker, and having to fight his former friends, and family would be a amazing story.

Unrelated kind of, but my favorite super hero teams ever are the X-men, Justice League, and the Avengers.

Injustice Superman is: "I am obsessed with protecting people since I lose Metropolis and my wife! Even if this doesn't please them!" Justice Lord Superman: "You kill my friend out of spite, Lex? Okay, I have enough of this shit. Now, I will impose my role and what is good for the common people. And all the non-cowards will join me for this." This is my summary of the two characters. Justice Lord Superman reminds me of Tamer000 in the "1000 Players Simulate Civilization on Survival Islands" from Marcusk in terms of charisma, ambition, authority and good will.

Changing it up a bit I like it :)

Justice Lord's Superman makes a choice. Injustice Superman was forced evil by the story. Any story where it's a choice is always better, just look at Superman vs The Elite where it seems like his going bad is a choice and that makes it so that you get the notion that his hero persona is a choice as well, and that's far more interesting than it is forced.

I'm surprised that you didn't include the Crime Syndicate in the list of corrupted Justice Leagues

The funniest detail is in arkham, the ventriloquist doesn't have lobotomy scars. Scarface does

i cought you

To be fair part of the difference is WHY they hit their respective breaking points

Superman should have just spun the world counterclockwise. Smh.

You know when you put clips of the Joker and Lex over Wonder Woman's character assassination, it actually makes her have a point.

I always said to others that justice lords > Injustice.

The Justice League Kingdom Come deconstruction is also done extremely well. I find the character growth/ideas there is far more interesting than Injustice.

Injustice Superman’s corruption was not immediate, it came over the course of a year or so in failing to grieve with what he did, but also not getting support from the people he needed the most. Instead, the people he trusted Kidnapped his parents and weaponized them against him, along with coddling villains who grew more unhinged after Metropolis got nuked. Shitty story but his descent into madness made since in years 1-2

Wonder Woman is a top tier gaslighter

Injustice series must be about Harley crap, because she was the only one who did not pay for what she did.

Could you do a "Unused Concepts" video on Joe Dante's "Small Soldier" from 1998?

I wonder. Are you gonna do videos on X-Men 97 and the planet of the apes trilogy?

How about making Justice League members Kingdom Hearts Nobodies? This is what I gone when using Arkhamverse!JL in my mega crossover(saved for it's sequels)

I genuinely love the justice lords and injustices storylines, I know people have their criticisms on evil versions of beloved characters. But i think their great stories to tell every now and then. Exploring different perspectives and takes of heroism and villiany. I just hope good written stories and characters shine above all else. Even if said stories involve evil versions of superman and heroes tropes. As long as its good.

Its a about time that justice league in mainstream Prime Earth to make that step. Pagan gods from many mythos stepped in and take the law in their own hands. The league are analogs of different mythology gods mainly greek,Roman, Egyptian etc. At least Hawkman use lethal force

I think you've forgotten another world-conqurering Superman from the same series as the Justice Lords; a Brave New Metropolis, who didn't even realize that people were suffering under his regime. Now that is a misguided Superman. I would argue that Justice Lord Superman and Injustice Superman would get along scarily well. Broke their code and killed to avenge someone important to them? Check. Became addicted to their own power? Check. Overode the Justice League's morals and turned them all into monsters? Check? The only difference between them is that one couldn't convince his Batmam to join him in the first place.

FYI, Police State Gotham is preferable to Crime Capital of DC Gotham

There is also brave new metropolis

6:44 No like you just said they have been literally lobotomised that's what those two dots on their heads are. Its the scaring from superman's heat vison

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Actually it's Superman and Batman that make the Justice League iconic 😂😂😂😂

justice lords were scarier, I would had loved to see that universe, like Who opposed them, like Green Arrow or Captain Marvel or the teen titans and supergirl, they couldn't have all signed up with them

out of the two I'd say Justice Lords might have been the more justifiable of the two.

Wonder woman in the intro hit the nail on the head.

3:12 Surprisingly hadn’t heard that one yet. Well played, but why tho?

Honestly, I'd like to have seen more done with the Justice Lords. I'd like to get into the head of Justice Lord Batman in particular. Like, is he actually closer, mentally, to main Batman? Also, Justice Lord Superman was more interesting to me than Injustice Superman.

Justice Lord Batman eventually realizes what they were doing was wrong after an alternate Justice League came, but I think he died to Lord Superman.

I was waiting for them to do some adaptation of the Justice Lords 2 parter from Justice League animated series in live action, but that never happened. The DCEU was such a waste of time

Superman could have just, ya know, lobotomize his enemies instead. Well, except maybe brainiac and darkseid. Despite killing them at their core, they somehow come back!

Absolute power corrupts absolutely...second only to plot armour

Maybe I’m just dumb and didn’t listen or just didn’t catch on but is justice lord Batman a killer or is he just extremely more violent

The slippery slope trope whereby heroes compromising their morality once with good intentions inevitably leads to them going full-on tyrants and oppressing the innocent always comes across to me as rather contrived, tbh. The real world is much more morally grey than this.

3:11 AMONG US!!!

Heroes aren't supposed to have redemption archs, that's the role of the villian, that's what makes the hero interesting. The Hero faces the toughest decision, and their answer to that is what makes them a hero. How do I not kill this person who took so much from so many. It could be Joker with his gas, or Luther with his plots, the point is the downfall of the hero began when villian's stopped convincingly flirting with redemption. They became 1 dimensional and that diminished the hero. That diminishing resulted in these bizarre tropes of evil heroes which is a very clear absurdity... at best it's head cannon, and at worst delusion.

Ugh the Injustice movie

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Justice Lords honestly are a more believable evil Superman. Superman Labotomizing his enemies is a fantastic work around to not killing.

They lobotomized a puppet 💀

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the thing I never like about theses stories is that their can never be a middle ground either your an authoritarian dictator or your letting you villains live to kill the innocent theirs not a single adherence to escalation or actual law

You deserve more subs

it was the original so of course its the better without it we wouldn't have injustice

Dcau is the best everything 0:16 idk about that the x-men and avengers are pretty popular

Not only do the Justice Lords work better narratively but they also look cooler, their designs took everything that made the JL iconic and twisted them in the same way a fascist would change the flag of their once great nation.

Even Justice Lord Superman isn't that interesting. He falls into mustache-twirling territory when he bans protest and all forms of civil unrest. Why, because he killed Luthor and felt good about it, and so he decided to be a dictator? Give me Gods and Monsters Superman. He plays by his own rules, but still has a moral code. He doesn't need to conquer, but he won't bend to the will of others. Throughout the most part, he wants to do good. It's a far more nuanced take than Justice Lord Superman, and not a comically bad character like Injustice.

All of the Justice Lords went bad after the Flash( Wally) was killed by Lex Luthor

It was in recent years, maybe 2 years at most, that i realize i hated injustice superman because it just doesnt feel like superman.

You forgot about another corrupt superman Superboy Prime

I'm on the justice lords side

Justice lords Superman has a way better fit and is more compelling imo

If Batman killed Joker before Superman was able to do it Regime Superman would never happened. So Regime Superman is result of Batman inability to predict the most basic human emotions. On other hand... Justice Lord came to existance because he was supported by Batman... Unlike Regime Superman, Justice Lord had a lot of morality chains that would put him in check in that reality... So in both cases Evil Superman is the result of Batman's miscalculations (or cowardice).