I’m excited to stick. Kharnivore in there for my knights😂

My deathwimg army is sitting here going "hmm, pity they decided not to make any death wing units battle line in the death wing detachment.

​@@Evangelus6 a clear oversight Or at least just terminators, a unit clearly designed for that detachment. Yes, I would like 6 squads of 5 deathwing knights

Green Tide is already oppressive af. 120 T5 5++ OC2 Bodies with sticky objectives, 60 of them with a 5+FNP on top. The stuff you have to bring to deal (because you can't just outscore them) with this will leave you severely crippled against every other matchup except maybe Unending Swarm.

​@@zieg0rbut apparently one of the new secret missions will be extremely easy to succeed as it depends on killing 20 model units. So if you can kill a bunch of models you'll get a bunch of points.

Honestly I’m looking forward to it. In the long run, this will actually mean tyranids aren’t locked to janky mechanics if they want to win

After 😅

Yay! I can use my spore mines again without compbros gronking them into action bots! uwu

Deathwatch have been here cozy at 40% for almost a year. Your chances aren’t great.

@@gregoryseraphin1426 but we boxset poster bois OwO

Its a nice idea in theory but practically speaking it does fail to work out. I've had a game against nids where the monsters pushed me off the objectives turn 3 ish and there was nothing I could do to stop them from scoring max.

lol you expected proper rules writing from the current 40k team? XD The 40K game is dead, long live Heresy.

Having a unit pick it up as an action, then having to push the unit would make things more interesting.

@@shadowmancy9183 The biggest issues are: a) You don't have to control the objective after moving it, scoring is based solely on its position. b) Moving it into your opponents area has no actual downside. The worst case scenario is it goes back to where it started. c) You can move block it from getting back to where it was. d) Objectives that start within a deployment zone are not in play for the Primary, only relevant secondary objectives. It'd be better served by: a) You have to control the objective to score from it. b) You can only move it towards your own deployment zone. c) It scores less if you do move it towards your DZ. d) You score more if you control your own objective when you have control of a servo skull. In other words, stop simply sending a servo skull towards your enemy so it scans them, but you don't have to control the skull to get the result of said scans- which makes no sense. Instead you have to relay data from a skull to your objective. The closer it is to your own DZ the less valuable the scan. In the new one they have clearly seen the flawed logic in explaining the narrative of the mission, hence its change to being Unexploded Ordnance. But it doesn't stop the basic flaws from Servo Skulls still being present. In fact, I'd argue that making the movement of the ordnance an action which starts and ends in your own turn will exacerbate them! Actions tended to favour armies with cheap disposable units that could afford to not shoot/charge, so Custodes or Terminator/Elite style lists could easily find themselves with an even higher likelihood of that unassailable lead appearing. They've also made the scoring at the end of your turn. So whoever goes first has a massive advantage. T1a: Move objective forwards 6". T1b: Move objective forwards 6", back to where it started at best. Only 5" (or less) if they blocked where it could be placed. (You can move onto an objective in matched play, but the objective can't be moved onto a model) T2a: Move objective forwards 6", maybe slightly less if blocked. Score 2VP. T2b: Move objective forwards 6" at best, score zero. Repeat T2's outcome for further turns, until one or both sides has no ability to move block the objective marker and/or perform actions to move it, taking into account that the first turn's move block means that player b has to get a move in a turn where player a did not in order to put the objective back in the centre (zero score) or into the other half of the field (2VP). And some of the new deployment layouts will make this first turn advantage even worse! Right now I can start a Land Raider 12" from a Servo Skull, and it has a 12" base movement. If I go first I can sit straight on top of that objective and, by the laws of geometry, ensure that if I did nothing else, it can't be put back in the centre line. In some of the new ones, I can start 10" away, making an extra 2" further forwards I can force that marker. And this is before we take into account doing an advance move, or disembarking a unit, for even more move blocking.

@@LeviticusStroud Agreed. That's why I said it should be something the unit picks up and brings rather than just sends forwards. You can get to it turn 1, but I get to try and kill the unit before you get a chance to move it.

Its funny that for 9th i bought like 50 stormboyz because i thought it would be fun

My understanding is they are larger ones that also mark the full range of the marker. They are about what 3rd party ones cost with that in mind

​@CynicalOptimist99 they've literally copied how so many 3rd parties have been making them.

Normal ones still in the box; the seperate ones are the same as the third party GT style ones that show the entire scoring area.

@@SteveForteGMR lol im just waiting on GWs legal team to go after the 3rd party, smells like something GW would do, steal an idea and lawyer up against the original creator.

@@drathlor or for them to ban 3rd party objective markers from GW run tournaments.

The ONE secret James workshop does NOT want you to know

Actually you can buy this way boyz can attach only one character

As a Space Marine player... first time? :D

Suffah xenos

Sadly still probably in a better position than Necrons at this point in 9th

What changed to make them worse?

@@AngusMcIntyre biovore free spore mines and ripper swarms were partially how we stayed viable through (admittedly very dumb) abuse of how secondary missions worked with 0 OC units. If nothing changes, our winrate is gonna plummet. Tyranid data sheets are terrible compared to everyone else's, they were designed with a game philosophy of less killy, more scoring. Problem is most other later armies didnt get that memo

I don't think he meant you can do this with armigers, but that now you don't have to use an armiger, because the titanic shooter can do it for free, when before 100% I'm doing it with an armiger and not my 400+ pt knight.

The small dogs are battleine. That's what makes them stro ger with the new missions

You've just mentioned Wardoy spam, so...why will it be a problem🙈

@@apollyon23456 TBH I think doing actions with a ranged titanic knight is completely fine, just park a Knight Tyrant or Despoiler in the back and go to town doing actions every turn whilst still blasting anything that dares to peek out.

@necroprogaming6851 Oh now that's gonna be awesome, but using a titanic for actions before this means, let's say it's a crusader, almost a 1/4 of your points aren't doing anything on one of your 5 times they get to shoot. Real bad economy. With this, you're encouraged to do so.

I'm new, me and a couple buddies I made in open play games are playing a crusade and we're having a blast. But it's more of a narrative game than a MTG with minis.

The game is the most balanced it's been in years. Remember you don't need to play the new rules you can just use the core rulebook and ignore the updates.

It's been this way for a VERY long time. Either crazy fast rules updates or completely broken rules that don't get fixed over the course of several editions.

Oh my sweet summer child...

Someone never had a whole unit and the building they were in turfed off the table in 7th edition and it shows ;)

Yes, it has the potential to score more now as a secondary draw but you'll on average score less. It's kinda crazy when considering that a small walker gives 2 VP while a C'tan or vindicator tank for example also only gives 2 VP. The points imbalance is a bit odd, but at least multiple walkers in a unit aren't as super punished as before. Paragon warsuits for example at 12 total wounds now only counts for 2 VP while they used to be 6 VP per unit. You could run 3x3 and only give up 6 VP while that used to be 18 VP. And let's say 5 tanks with less than 15 wounds now only give up 10 VP instead of 15 VP. Vehicle lists just got a huge buff in terms of VP denial

Or if you try to minimize suicide objectives in No Mans Land(standing in the open and die very quickly), and instead try to bring all targets below 50% strength. That way, you only need to score 20 points on primary over 5 turns, and you will still get an extra 20. Of course, it does require you to have the ability to reliably take enemies to at least 50%.

Still good for screening.

keep them close, roadblock nurglings are awesome learned this very late (and the hard way through an opposing squad of them)

Another person learns why you don't meta chase. They're still useful, at least.

@@OGXenos i just thought they looked cool, itll be for my first army; i have no clue what im doing yet lol

@@CarnageCoon cool ill remember that thanks

Whats your point about 19 vs 20? I didnt see a spot in the video that is referencing

​@@scolack123at 19 it doesn't give up points for the "cull the horde" secondary

Well they'll need a lot of tactical marine squads to use them but I mean you can use rhinos and there decently tough

​@@michaelsantangelo1875 and there lies the problem of all the first born not being great in any shape or form. Why can chaos take legionnaires in squads of 5, but space marines can't do the same with tacticals without paying for the full 10?

180 for 4 custodian guard

I mean, everything still has deepstrike, so this doesn't really matter, unless you're one of the three players using the sisters detachment

@@tylerchadwell1267 deepstrikes still can’t t1 though so yes it does matter because if you SR stuff you can arrive using deepstrike and this new rule would essentially let you deepstrike t1

Sort of. Battleshock wears off in your command phase, so if an opponent shoots you with something that forces battleshock, you still get to do actions in your next turn.

@@tomsutton6451 Fair enough. I guess I'm thinking mostly of GSC, since a lot of their success tends to come from planning ahead, you kow?

I don't think wardogs have the titanic keyword....

@@effindave6909 no, but I’m pretty sure they’re battle line, which has its own new benefits in missions.

@@arbitrary_mike7833 They are indeed battleline but without the titanic keyword and having lost nurgling actions Chaos Knights may well be a bit worse off. Giving up your shooting for a turn isn't the worst thing but it does still kind of suck.

Officially yes in local store games, competitions etc but casually you and friends could play leviathan if you wanted.

I say shuffle it all together, but you could customize your own deck with different cards

Are you playing tournaments? If no, then you can still use leviathan

CP

this is actually a bigger problem than people realise. If you complete absolutely all of your secondaries in tactical to the max, theres a good chance you still wont get 45 points. Also fixed missions are still useless cuz your opponent can counter them and none of them score highly enough

Tactical can now be rerolled several times during a battle. That means more chances to score VP that fits with what is going on in the battle. You can also still discard a tactical card to gain 1 CP at the end of each turn(quite important if you do not have a CP generator in the army and want more CP to work with). The entire point of Tactical is to give you more options.

yeeeee

In the current state of game yes, but nothing stops you and your opponent agreeing to using the Leviathan deck if you still wanted.

what are these spam accounts people keep mentioning?

@@DaUrrl I think someone reported them already. So they disappeared 😅

@@DaUrrl They always have a profile pic of boobs / butt and just post generic positive comments lol

Also I can't believe Sweeping Engagement is gone, it was my favorite deployment.

It's easier to counter. The opponents know what your goals are and can avoid them. Had assassination and my opponent kept his hidden all game.

Fixed are easier to counter and lacks the option to generate extra CP. Taking Tactical requires a list that is flexible at multiple strategies. Fixed armies are very rigid, but consistent in their performance. Tactical can now reroll the missions more, meaning they can better adapt to what is happening in the battle. I do have my concerns, but we will have to see how it plays for a bit. Sweeping Engagement is still there, but have a slightly different deployment.

So is a 10-man Heavy Intercessor squad.

Basically, GWs rules policy as a whole.

No, a scam would be us getting something that has no value. This has the value of being mandatory, so technically, it's extortion, not a scam.

£20 isn’t to bad for game workshop but I’ll tell you what is a scam. Anyone who doesn’t put the pound symbol first.

Yeah if only there was a video showing you all the missions that you could take screenshots from...

If you are playing at home or at a club there is nothing stopping you from continuing to play with the Leviathan deck or to play with other scenarios . My group regularly plays either the combat patrol scenarios or scenarios from previous editions as not everyone has a mission deck.

That’s how 40k works, most people at stores blindly follow along

That 40k business model.

The ork codex was obsolete before it even was released

@@joshual6305 I just bought it to learn lol lol lol

If playing in a non-tournament setting, you can just agree with your opponent how you want to play.

K-... ketchup?

@@chaosheaven23 lol didn't spell check lol

@@willhull9839 Khorne does not care, as long as the red stuff flows.

Also, do I understand it that if there are no Valid targets for Cull the horde you get a free redraw, but no valid targets for bring it down means you can go fuck yourself?

gg auspex tactics is being bot spammed by buttcheeks

You can keep pulling new tactical every round instead of once per game. That's why they had to change the bonus. If you have the cp, you can fish for VP

​@@jeremiegartner464 and on top of that you can discard for command points if your army doesn't have a character that generates them giving more flexibility

if you score all of your secondaries to the max, theres a good chance now you wont get max vp. Thats just broken in my opinion. you might just not be able to score max points in a game

Your last sentence characterises exactly how I feel about all of 10th edition. It's just soulless hopping around the board. In some older editions objectives used to only be scored at the end of the game, which meant that the primary aim was always still to kill and not be killed, as otherwise you wouldn't be able to threaten objectives at the end of the game.

There will be a balance dataslate along with these cards. 'Nids will almost certainly be reworked so that they can function with the new rules set. Zero OC units will probably drop in points since all they're merely annoyance troops now.

The fact that everyone doing actions cant do so if within engagement range(not even with pistols) means that Tyranids can now swarm enemies to stop them from doing actions. Meanwhile, Gargoyles are almost the perfect battleline unit, having insane mobility. A lot of units from other armies used to rely on Advance to get into position for doing actions, but now that Advance+Action is not allowed, units with a natural high movement+fly has a great benefit.

@@slamfire2835 worse. Codex marines

you dont have to deploy in the middle right on your DZ edge. sure its irritating but its not particularly hard to overcome if you measure out the distances as you deploy

Eligible to shoot does not require a valid target. It just means you'd need to be eligible to shoot.

Eligible to shoot doesn't mean there has to be a valid target. It just means no actions you performed would prevent you from shooting.

The units without guns is an interesting question though. I'm guessing they wouldn't be prevented from doing it because there are quite a few units that don't have guns but are 1+OC, looking at tyranids specifically.

Knights player :"For sure😈"

Comp bois squealed and wailed because it was a mission where they couldn't hug their own board edge for dear life, so events didn't run it ;-;

It's good for back and forth but as someone else has pointed out, it's a mission that can lead to limited primary points for both sides or being completely one-sided and practically impossible to overcome.

@@alexisauld7781 sounds about right

@@hammer1349 every mission can do that depending on what you do…. So that isn’t really a valid argument

GW have moved the balance data slate and points changes forward to go alongside the pariah nexus when released

@@garethstewart3273 so there will be points and rules changes?

@@tellierken69yes

Yes in 2 weeks when the cards are released. It’s just preorder at the moment

​@@tellierken69 like TheRealRKD mentioned there will be changes, likely 0C units might be cheaper as they no longer do actions, battleline might go up or down as they seem to score extra points now

it does not luckily. the only stipulation is they cant START the action if shocked

@@kyleroach-smith1291 was hoping for a way for the out of phase battleshock abilities to actually matter but I guess not.

@@gregoryseraphin1426 Well, if they are required to hold the objective while doing the action, battleshock does mean that they no longer hold it(unless sticky or another unit also holds it).

Having 1 or 2 battle line units in your army in no way turns it into a horde army 😂

one half of board deploy up to x, other half deploy up to y. Seems really easy to me.

@@MountainKing88771 now I have to measure 3 lengths, rather than 1. Previously I marked halfway and used a laser line to draw to the corner.