The Biggest Keyboard Hobby Controversies

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In a hobby as big as mechanical keyboards, it's no wonder there has been a lot of controversy over the years - here are a few that I find the most interesting (and I hope you do too) x
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@xeroze01 Жыл бұрын

One thing i noticed a lot over the years is how seemingly every year drop will put itself in a major controversy with one of it's collaborator(s) without fail. Be it the earlier holy pandas, the holy pandas x, the mt2 debacle, etc, i steer far away from any drop products because the corporation just feels scummy at this point.

@wolf-xf6hf Жыл бұрын

Yea as someone that’s newer to the hobby of all the places to get products drop has easily been my least favorite. Rndkbd, kbd fans, kinetic labs, Ashkeebs, Novel keys etc. just seem like way better companies than drop

@travisr.3667 Жыл бұрын

@@wolf-xf6hf the only thing drop has going for them is the availability of in stock GMK as far as I'm concerned

@mathewhex7045 6 ай бұрын

I still get stuff through drop but not without expensive research or knowing what I'm spending may be a bit of a gamble. I'm looking hard at the hifi man planar magnetic headphones he-xx4 or whatever they are called. At the same time I recognize they are a "proceed with caution" organization.

@Xerpocalypse_ Жыл бұрын

I’m really impressed that you went into the weeds with this one! A lot of newer hobbyists don’t know about Ivan or Team Redline (or the full story of the Holy Panda). Great video, subscribed. I’ll hold my full opinions on clone keycaps, but as a designer, I’ll say this. I get why people buy them, I won’t shame them for doing so. However, the people who evangelize clones and shout about greedy designers from the rooftops are part of the problem. The vast majority of us don’t make enough money to justify doing this full-time. Groupbuy margins are usually razor-thin. The designs the clones are copied from wouldn’t exist at all, if not for the work of fellow hobbyists who were passionate enough to commit time and resources to creating them. Seeing outright clones of something you spent many hours of your spare time on can be very demotivating.

@lemaohoy Жыл бұрын

Just here to thank you for creating Darling! It's just too pretty!

@hucklejoko4838 Жыл бұрын

Since your point was all about the clone keycaps, may we have an update on PBT Darling? I came relatively late into the hobby so Darling GB was already over, but I fell in love with it and have been rocking clones for close to 2 years now. I know it's not the same as the original but it's the closest I have to it. I'd gladly pay retail for your design but not the stupidly inflated aftermarket rates.

@lemaohoy Жыл бұрын

@@hucklejoko4838 By now it is ABS Darling done by Keykobo coming (Hopefully) in the next few months. That's all that is known from NovelKeys livestreams & Xerp

@hucklejoko4838 Жыл бұрын

@@lemaohoy abs? Even better! Hopefully it'll retain the same color tone of the original gmk run

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@robr640 9 ай бұрын

Props on digging up the Ivan & Redline situations. Most people in the hobby now have no idea about these & they can be considered the OG "keyboard drama" (although I'm sure there were some situations before that, just not as high profile or high dollar amount). Oh also while we're on KB drama, hey Jaxx how's that ice cream machine treating you????????????

@virtualinsanity7791 Жыл бұрын

the group buy model is always been a controversy even outside of mechanical keyboards community. I was active in local hifi/audio gear years ago and there's a huge fiasco like this about IEM group buy to the point it's heavily regulated.

@andyderp6473 Жыл бұрын

My favourite drama was krepublic vs epomaker and epomaker having to run away with their tale between their legs proved wrong and lairs.

@RLkeebs Жыл бұрын

Awesome video once again! I absolutely love learning about the history of the keyboard hobby. Also, I can attest that the Holy Pandas still come with factory lube on the leaf, even though they're advertised as unlubed. Had them on one order and two subsequent batches of replacements 🙄This is why I got myself a batch of YOK Pandas, so that I can somewhat experience the original Holy Panda feel

@chenyz Жыл бұрын

Hey man I've really been enjoying all your videos! The history of the hobby is something that I've always wanted to learn more about and I feel doesn't get covered enough on YT. Your videos have been super informative on the hobby's history and is exactly the content I've been looking for. Thank you and keep up the awesome work!

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!!

@lolwowanddamn Жыл бұрын

this was a trip down memory lane, thanks for chronicling the biggest dramas of this wholesome100 hobby

@justanotherpxrson Жыл бұрын

This is a great video for talking about all of this stuff in a really quick and surface level way. Well done :D

@HubertTheMad Жыл бұрын

Wow, I'm glad that KZfaq recommendations got me here. Great video, and I really enjoyed listening to a small part of the history/drama or our little hobby 😅 Keep up the great content!

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!!

@ImOnMy116 Жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed the content and historical context for some of the controversies in the hobby! Seems like those of us who have joined in the last 3 yrs have had it pretty easy with group buys being a lot more reliable (and generally shorter in length at least for keyboards). I entered my first GB in 2021 for a Bubble 75, it got delayed maybe 3 or so months due to COVID among other things. My Mode Sonnet and JRIS65 also had some short (

@hrolvnir Жыл бұрын

always happy to see a charo notification ❤

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Always happy to see a Xavier comment!

@trtl9106 Жыл бұрын

one controversy that I thought was really random was the GMK Taegeukgi "cultural appropriations" thing. I remember it being right in the middle of covid and it seems like people ran out of things to do so they latched on to this (me included). Another weird controversy was the Rama splitting with Kate situation... I remember there being so much general confusion as to what happened, but I think the community ended up raging on Rama because he wasn't fulfilling the orders on time. (plus other unfavorable business decisions) Space cables was another one. I forgot much of the details, but I remember there being google docs to expose the owner of the company? Keebs make people go coocoo

@lolwowanddamn Жыл бұрын

lol hanguk was a blatant koreaboo set and looks ugly all hate it got was deserved

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

They really do!

@ElNino512 Жыл бұрын

I don’t think I heard about space cables, what happened with them?

@ob1_kb 10 ай бұрын

@@ElNino512 im pretty sure @trtl9106 is referring to SummitCables (aka ScummitCables) regarding the drama with the google doc that was made public... basically, the owner of SummitCables was a lunatic and scam artist.

@wolf-xf6hf Жыл бұрын

ePbt dreamscape taking 2 years to get produced is actually insane

@ProtomanZ Жыл бұрын

And that is reality for a lot of epbt groupbuys now.

@naurrr Жыл бұрын

I feel terrible for the ARMYs waiting so long for them. don't they have enough to wait for already lmao 😭

@j___7052 Жыл бұрын

Oh that was a refresher , thanks for the video! Very underrated channel

@Gecka12 Жыл бұрын

Def. should cover the Rukia GB and the disappearance of Charue after scuffsetter R2

@oakerface95 Жыл бұрын

I bought the charue supernova tkl that never shipped 😢

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Something on the list for sure!

@HipyoTech Жыл бұрын

Spray lubing?

@mathewhex7045 6 ай бұрын

There are actual invyr holy pandas available online, and imo they are better than any other type of panda including drop or glorious. I consider the holy panda x to be a sort of variation on the concept of the holy panda and in their own category with certain other switches

@naurrr Жыл бұрын

hey can you cover the GMK Lavender artisans all mysteriously "going missing from the post office" and the maker dropping off the face of the earth because he is busy with some supposedly really important remote job? I love to see people cover weird controversies in this hobby, it helps hold people accountable and keeps new keeb hobbyists informed. great video.

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! For sure!

@doanhle1748 Жыл бұрын

your content is too good. relaxed and a chill vibe from your voiceovers.

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@gdwe1831 8 ай бұрын

No mention of ripster? I was around on irc and deskthority back then, started one of the biggest threads on the forum...still going today.

@peebbuu 9 ай бұрын

watched the keycupt video b2b tgr b2b this one and im officially a fan! great video my man

@Charo.mp4 9 ай бұрын

Legend, thanks so much!

@vaxin8509 Жыл бұрын

Anyone know the name of the music playing in the beginning?

@hihellothere9569 Жыл бұрын

And honestly I was buying a new mechanical keyboard to replace the one I had bought for 15 dollars. It's not that great and sometimes feel uncomfortable but still. It's better than a group buy especially when most of the stuff is outside of our reach😊

@noanimal Жыл бұрын

this is one of the best keyboard hobby videos ive seen in a while. it gives me andy v nguyen vibes. nonetheless could you do a video on the new cruelworld controversy regarding the cw60 and the cw87/88? not sure if youve seen the new reddit post about the fitment issues etc but i think it would be a good vid

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@CrispySenpai Жыл бұрын

Is the teaha holy panda sound test a controversy or nah? I feel like the conclusion to the obsession over that sound test was that the sound was edited since copies of that build don’t even come close to the original sound.

@patrycjadargacz4909 Жыл бұрын

I have never heard of this. Is there more information about this

@trashcatt Жыл бұрын

I was part of the PBT Dark GB back then. Sad times man. Things have definitely improved, but the whole GB model needs to go.

@nicholashadweh5710 Жыл бұрын

Can you make a video describing the history of tgr and other high end designers? I’ve always been curious about that.

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

On the list for sure!

@Xenabeans Жыл бұрын

gotten whiplash when Ivan and Drop blocking Whitefox being mentioned. Thought I wouldnt hear about those cases ever again

@It_needs_to_be_said Жыл бұрын

Rama was the worst I experienced with group buys. I did have a wait issue with GMK Fuji and Epbt Ramen stop at the same time, it was Rama not posting normal updated and then the whole thing with him and Wilba. All of that turned me off from ever joining one again.

@link3457 Жыл бұрын

Then there was the Zeal/Durock stab drama

@lowbeam5005 Жыл бұрын

I wasn't paying full atention to the holy panda bit and now all I know is multiple different parties claimed to actually own them and denied the others did. Absolutely amazing.

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

All you need to know

@eisnerisgod 10 ай бұрын

About clone keycaps… I understand why people buy them. Some sets are hella expensive. But I personally know designers since I work with them in my field and I understand the work and effort that goes into the design process. And it doesn’t feel right to see your design ripped off. I myself have bought clones during my early days, but as I got into the hobby more, I either go for second-hand lightly used original sets, or go for other sets from manufacturers such as Milky Way or PBTfans.

@wagonet 11 ай бұрын

Great video. Will you do a mechs and co video

@Charo.mp4 11 ай бұрын

For sure!

@qhacim356 Жыл бұрын

love this more unknown history you remark on, always a pleasure to watch ur vidoes!! i think u should start a discord or smth..

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! It’s coming!

@dislikebutton1718 Жыл бұрын

I got into the keyboard game right around the holy panda craze.

@1.0xY.m0r0n 9 ай бұрын

My first keyboard was a fjell with some glorious pandas I lubed myself, and they are great! Highly recommend. I'm looking to transition that board to some "endgame" tactile switches, though. Whatever that will be...

@Charo.mp4 9 ай бұрын

Go for it!

@goemon4 Жыл бұрын

No colorway drama? I remember when I got into the community back in like 2015 that was a big thing, wish I could remember the name of the colorway but I recall the photo of the creator sitting with his leopold and color swatches for his set which borrowed from some terminal colors... classic stuff

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Farrrr too many to mention hahah

@Malakingchickenadobo 3 ай бұрын

Nice cherry MX brown costume!

@8abydogg Жыл бұрын

keep up the good work!

@acactusnamedjosh708 Жыл бұрын

"Gateron and Kailh started out as cherry clone companies" ...people DIDN'T know that? bruh.

@nmadden02 Жыл бұрын

Loved this! Appreciate the education :)

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@alfalfachomusuke8258 Жыл бұрын

this is just the tip of the ice berg some drama still left out

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

If I covered everything the video would have been hours long, just a few things (I personally) find the most interesting

@bakeraus Жыл бұрын

There has been so many, mainly due to stuff ups from vendors and creators.

@Snafu_ Жыл бұрын

Another 10/10 banger!

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@MrSkullface Жыл бұрын

No Rama vs Hibi drama?

@darrengeh7096 Жыл бұрын

U shld talk about kalam

@AndrewLinw Жыл бұрын

Spill some tea😂

@DriveSMR Жыл бұрын

Did you say theremin goats? I've never, in my life, met a goat that wasn't a square or saw....because they don't know sine

@BenedictTanShanWen Жыл бұрын

the whole laugh-cut thing is really off putting aesthetic choice.

@hihellothere9569 Жыл бұрын

I just find you saying controversies just different than what I hear

@Plastic_bitz Жыл бұрын

keysus the keyboard jesus

@formulabrian 9 ай бұрын

GMK Peaches and Cream, P&C Lite and NicePBT P&C was a shit show to say the least

@deremon5126 Жыл бұрын

It begs to wonder if there are any controversies in the keeb hobby that affected you personally Charra? Unless if your like me and you were too poor to be conned back then lol, because i felt that a couple of times when i started working and getting paid some decent hunks of cash rather than relying in mum's pocket change

@Charo.mp4 Жыл бұрын

Thankfully not! The major group buys were before my time and I’ve always been a linear switch guy hahah

@deremon5126 Жыл бұрын

@@Charo.mp4 the only thing i know in the community that will never be a scam are nk creams, objectively speaking they are the greatest switch ever made