The Biggest Possible Black Hole - Sixty Symbols

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Sixty Symbols

Sixty Symbols

Жыл бұрын

Dr Becky Smethurst discusses Ultra Massive Black Holes - more information and book links below ↓ ↓ ↓
A Brief History of Black Holes by Becky Smethurst (Amazon links)...
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How Big Can a Black Hole Grow? by Andrew King: arxiv.org/abs/1511.08502
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@sixtysymbols
@sixtysymbols Жыл бұрын
A Brief History of Black Holes by Becky Smethurst... (Amazon links)... US: amzn.to/3u0b4BN and UK: amzn.to/3VxlNPV
@a.randomjack6661
@a.randomjack6661 Жыл бұрын
You should pin your comment📌so it stays at the top.
@Globovoyeur
@Globovoyeur Жыл бұрын
My copy is on order...
@mussalo
@mussalo Жыл бұрын
Can one get it from anywhere else than Amazon? From EU preferably.
@juliocardenas4485
@juliocardenas4485 Жыл бұрын
Purchased 👍🏾
@bentoth9555
@bentoth9555 Жыл бұрын
Don't have the free funds to purchase it myself, but I definitely suggested my local library do so.
@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S.
@N.I.R.A.T.I.A.S. Жыл бұрын
I feel like Dr Becky's ability to freehand draw a black hole and accretion disk is more impressive than I realise.
@sixtysymbols
@sixtysymbols Жыл бұрын
I too was impressed.
@QirnsChannel
@QirnsChannel Жыл бұрын
@@sixtysymbols I appreciate that you ask folks to draw things so often. Math and Science need more drawings! Even when it's just a drawing of a mouse.
@lukaskern9163
@lukaskern9163 Жыл бұрын
@@QirnsChannel WORST - MOUSE - EVER!! x'D
@EPMTUNES
@EPMTUNES Жыл бұрын
Anything for the merch
@88CBAUGH
@88CBAUGH Жыл бұрын
10:58 for your viewing pleasure.
@Booster45
@Booster45 Жыл бұрын
Dr Becky is back on sixty symbols!
@Felipehez
@Felipehez Жыл бұрын
Thanks Brady for keeping this channel alive for so many years! I love your videos and dr Becky!
@WouterWeggelaar
@WouterWeggelaar Жыл бұрын
I am in love with Becky's enthusiasm and I will absolutely be getting the book!
@sixtysymbols
@sixtysymbols Жыл бұрын
Nice work - hope you enjoy it!
@writingfriction
@writingfriction Жыл бұрын
Forget the book- I'm in love with Dr Becky.
@vzr314
@vzr314 Жыл бұрын
@@writingfriction welcome to the club mate
@cynomyS
@cynomyS Жыл бұрын
@@writingfriction get in line
@samcooke343
@samcooke343 Жыл бұрын
@@writingfriction You're all too late, sorry 😏
@stevenhanaway920
@stevenhanaway920 Жыл бұрын
Glad to finally see a video about TON 618! I imaged this with my astrophotography rig/observatory a few years ago, as there aren't many full, true color images of this quasar, especially taken by amateurs/citizen scientists like myself. I wish I had a spectrometer to measure the red/blue shift of objects like this, perhaps one day I will be able to buy or build one. Clear Skies!
@ogexo
@ogexo Жыл бұрын
Phoenix a is bigger
@julyanjohns1237
@julyanjohns1237 Жыл бұрын
this vid makes me happy on so many levels A black hole expert discussing the subject of their latest book with a renowned science documentary maker, or from a regular's perspective - Becky and Brody having a wholesome catch up :) inspiring to see how a simple idea over ten years ago of doing vids of professors talking about symbols has had so many positive knock on effects for the people involved with it.
@AsmodeusMictian
@AsmodeusMictian Жыл бұрын
Always awesome to hear about black holes. Thanks for the amazing video!
@artdonovandesign
@artdonovandesign Жыл бұрын
Great interview! Thank you, Dr. Becky.
@realspacemodels
@realspacemodels Жыл бұрын
Dr. Becky's book is amazing. I got the audiobook, so hours of hearing her talk to you. It's great!
@TON-ei7ht
@TON-ei7ht Жыл бұрын
I’ve worked so hard to be featured on this channel. It’s about time!
@gqqggq7127
@gqqggq7127 Жыл бұрын
Nothing escapes you!
@edwardp7725
@edwardp7725 Жыл бұрын
How can you not love Dr. Becky?
@S1nwar
@S1nwar Жыл бұрын
what people often dont realize is that you couldnt even look at a black hole if you're anywhere near it because the accretion disc is brighter than any star could ever be since the heat production from THAT gravitational pull outscales the energy output of any kind of fusion process
@WylliamJudd
@WylliamJudd Жыл бұрын
WOW!
@nocare
@nocare Жыл бұрын
Well ton 618 in particular. It outshines every star in the milky way combined many times over. Its 160 trillion times brighter than the sun.
@bierrollerful
@bierrollerful Жыл бұрын
Sounds like the ultimate boss fight for redheads.
@nocare
@nocare Жыл бұрын
@Josh Smith that is not true. Black holes have been demonstrated in multiple ways. Includeing 2 direct imagines. The part that is almost certainly not real is a singularity since those are infinitely dense and a quirk of the math. Many if not most physicists believe that singularities will disappear once we have a theory of quantum gravity. Also you used theory wrong. In a scientific context theories are proven and well substantiated. Hypothesis is what you wanted.
@AureliusEnterprises
@AureliusEnterprises Жыл бұрын
@Josh Smith That's not true at all, there is overwhelming scientific evidence for black holes. They recently made a picture of two of them and prior to that they had stars orbiting what seemed to be 'nothing'. They have data of the gravitational waves of two black holes merging.
@ScienceAsylum
@ScienceAsylum Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the self-gravitational radius info! Looks like I'll be running some new black hole simulations soon.
@jaydeevaldez9934
@jaydeevaldez9934 Жыл бұрын
Heyyyy. This is a very fascinating topic. Thank you for covering this! By the way, we actually found a much bigger black hole. It is the black hole of Phoenix A, the central galaxy of the Phoenix Cluster. It is presumed to have 100 billion solar masses, vs. TON 618's 66 billion. It was inferred based on the properties of the galaxy Phoenix A (its Sérsic profile, a very complicated topic). But what excites me the most is that the James Webb Space Telescope, our favorite space telescope, is scheduled to observe the Phoenix Cluster and the galaxy Phoenix A specifically by July 29-31, 2023. They will not go for the black hole specifically, but they will try to uncover the mystery of the Phoenix Cluster's cooling flow. This is actually a very mysterious topic that we only knew of recently, and the Phoenix Cluster is the quintessential case. Its cooling flow is the strongest we ever observed. A brief summary: cooling flow is when the gases in the very center of the galaxy cluster cools very rapidly, and since cold gas collapses and has no radiation, the outlying gas surrounding the cluster, which is hotter, will come crashing down and "flow" towards the cooler gas at the center. We actually knew very little of why this happens, but it is presumed that the central black hole has got something to do with it. Black holes produce a lot of radiation through their accretion disks, thereby heating the gas around them. So I presume it would be obligatory for JWST to take a closer look at Phoenix A's monster black hole. And more importantly, it may help us understand galaxy clusters and how they work, since cooling flow is considered a feature of a short but very significant phase of a galaxy cluster's evolutionary stage.
@mikmop
@mikmop Жыл бұрын
I love all Brady's video channels and I use to love watching Becky on Sixty Symbols before she started her own channel. I was hoping she would do that because I would go out of my way to watch her appearances. Anyway, glad to see her back doing a cameo on this channel again and that dedication in her book to Brady I thought was just beautiful.
@kidmohair8151
@kidmohair8151 Жыл бұрын
I'll add to Dr Becky's thank-you by also thanking you for bringing us *all* the other wonderful scientists from U Nott to youtube! You, sir *are* a gentleman *and* a scholar!
@fliesbyme
@fliesbyme Жыл бұрын
Once again Becky. Great video. Absolutely fascinating.
@travelservices1200
@travelservices1200 Жыл бұрын
It's an excellent book, I certainly recommend it.
@rarelycomments
@rarelycomments Жыл бұрын
Genuinely disappointed that it wasn't called the Disc (of) Innermost Stable Circular Orbits. Disco.
@bluzedogg
@bluzedogg Жыл бұрын
This is easily one of the best science videos I've ever seen on KZfaq. Dr. Smethurst you are awesome.
@___Kelli___
@___Kelli___ Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thank you for making a video on this subject.
@jacobopstad5483
@jacobopstad5483 Жыл бұрын
I asked this very question on a Dr. Becky video a while back. I'm so glad to get an answer!
@bierrollerful
@bierrollerful Жыл бұрын
"Thanks for giving me my start on youtube." That's so sweet. And true. Thanks Sixty Symbols for introducing us to such bright minds.
@michaelpettersson4919
@michaelpettersson4919 Жыл бұрын
I see Dr. Becky, I click. Only after starting the video did I realise that this isn't her channel.
@Exoil
@Exoil Жыл бұрын
Awesome, I just looked at saw that my audio book provider have Beckys book. I've been looking for something to listen to for a while now!
@rickseiden1
@rickseiden1 Жыл бұрын
Great Video. Bonus Dr. Becky!
@adamwulf
@adamwulf Жыл бұрын
I’m curious if hawking radiation would eventually cause these max-sized black holes to shrink small enough to begin accreting again. If so, does that mean the black holes would all hover around that max size, growing to it but no further, and not shrinking much smaller because they’d grow up again
@danilooliveira6580
@danilooliveira6580 Жыл бұрын
hawking radiation is very, VERY week, it would take a unimaginable amount of time for a blackhole to noticeably shrink through this process. it would probably grow more through eating rogue material flying at it than it would lose mass through hawking radiation. I would hazard to argue that light, neutrinos and other high energy particle hitting the blackhole from all directions would give it more mass than it would lose, but that is just speculation from my part.
@jackhand4073
@jackhand4073 Жыл бұрын
I could be wrong but by the time hawking radiation is a problem, matter and inturn accretion won't be. The time scales are ridiculous. Can someone let me know if my thinking is wrong?
@prdoyle
@prdoyle Жыл бұрын
@@jackhand4073 Hawking radiation takes on the order of a googol years to evaporate a big black hole. It could be the slowest process in the universe.
@yyattt
@yyattt Жыл бұрын
It's an interesting thought, and I wanted to try and work it out. Here is what I worked out. Note that I'm an engineer, not an astrophysicist and I've only done back of the envelope calcs based on the first things that come up in google. I'm sure there will be mistakes in my numbers, but I think I did enough to come to a reasonable conclusion. The amount of Hawking radiation depends on the black hole's temperature, which varies inversely with mass - so a bigger black hole is cooler and smaller is hotter. If the black hole is cooler than the cosmic microwave background, then it would absorb more energy than it emits and would continue to grow. One that is the same temperature as the CMB would be in equilibrium and stay the same size. Only black holes hotter than the CMB could lose mass through Hawking radiation. Currently, the mass of a black hole in equilibrium with the CMB would be about the mass of the moon. As the universe expands, the temperature of the CMB will decrease but to cool below the temperature of an ultra-massive black hole it needs to be many many many orders of magnitude bigger. I think the temperature of a black hole this size would be around 10^-18 Kelvins. To get down to this temperature, this means the universe needs to expand about 10^6 times in radius (Assuming Charle's law for gas temperature/volume can be applied to a universe....) . If it takes about 10 billion years to double in size (I'm not sure if it works that way, but anyway), we're looking about 200 billion years into the future before an ultra-massive black hole will become warmer than the CMB and can start to shrink by Hawking Radiation. The main thing though, is that the rate of evaporation is very very slow. Apparently a solar mass black hole will take 10^67 years to evaporate. The rate of evaporation is slower as the black hole temperature is reduced, also, so for our ultra-massive black hole to lose even 1 solar mass by Hawking radiation will take much much longer than the 10^67 years it would take a solar mass black hole to evaporate entirely. The power output varies inversely with mass^2, so a 66 billion solar mass black hole would take approx 10^88 years to lose 1 solar mass by Hawking radiation. By my calcs, this amounts to 10^-41kg of mass lost per year, or 1 electron (~10^-30) per 10^11 years. This rate is so slow as to be insignificant while there is matter available anywhere in the "near" vicinity. Any cosmic rays would offset trillions of years worth of Hawking Radiation. To me, what this means is that by the time the Universe is quiet enough for the black hole to actually start losing mass below this limit, there will be no available matter to restart the accretion process.
@adamwulf
@adamwulf Жыл бұрын
@@yyattt Very interesting! Thanks for the calculations - mind boggling time scales indeed!
@olivermechling7975
@olivermechling7975 8 ай бұрын
love this channel
@themaverickproject4577
@themaverickproject4577 Жыл бұрын
I liked that video a lot. A nice conversation with Becky. Please think about doing more.
@TheDirge69
@TheDirge69 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Brady for giving Dr Becky her start on KZfaq, from all of us..
@dpie4859
@dpie4859 Жыл бұрын
We all love Becky! ❤
@TheInselaffen
@TheInselaffen Жыл бұрын
Dr Becky and Dr Brady, a collab of such joy.
@uncertainukelele
@uncertainukelele Жыл бұрын
This video was awesome, but thanks for the book plug as well, I didn't know about it.
@MyNameIsNotCraig
@MyNameIsNotCraig Жыл бұрын
Really really interesting video. Thank you!
@dreadnought1109
@dreadnought1109 Жыл бұрын
There are two statements in this video that didn't feel right and when I looked them up seem to be way off. Anyone know if I am just not seeing the data right or if it was just misspoken? "Bigger than the mass over everything in the entire milky way..." Ton: 66b solar mass; Milky Way: ~1.2t solar mass. Wiki says bigger than the mass of the *stars* of the milky way so I can see that difference and where the confusion may be. "crushed down into a space smaller than the solar system" Again Ton 618: 390b km; Solar System: 26b km (Heliopause) So it looks like Ton 618 is bigger than the solar system even at the most generous size. I couldn't find a definition that makes this work.
@GodwynDi
@GodwynDi Жыл бұрын
90% of that mass is dark matter. Which may or may not exist
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
Yes. The statement is one of those factoids that gets repeated a lot because it sounds impressive and simple. In truth TON 618 is about as massive as all the stars of the milky way, compressed into an object with a volume less than the Kuiper Belt. It's roughly true but falls apart on analysis.
@pr0hobo
@pr0hobo Жыл бұрын
I wish they explained why the self gravitational radius doesn’t grow or doesn’t grow as fast as the isco.
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
The SGO depends in part on the 'gravity gradient' across an object, the tidal forces. Just as Jupiter prevented a planet forming between it and Mars, a black hole can stop 'clumping' of its disk. While the ISCO grows directly with the hole's mass (Twice as heavy, twice as large, relating directly to the strength of gravity at a distance from the hole) the SGO for an object of a certain size rises with the mass of the hole to the 1/3 power. (Relying on the DIFFERENCE between the strength of gravity at either side of the object.) One is just more directly related to the hole's mass and gravity.
@DouwedeJong
@DouwedeJong Жыл бұрын
Probably the best video I have seen from Dr. Becky.
@mighty8357
@mighty8357 Жыл бұрын
She is just so cheerfull and passionate about her field :)
@TheGiantHog
@TheGiantHog Жыл бұрын
It’s so weird, black holes give me this existential fear like nothing else
@Astro_Oogo
@Astro_Oogo Жыл бұрын
I feel the same way! I view it as, we know of our own mortality as humans. But in a much larger scale, black holes are the inevitable ‘death’ of most matter in the universe. Learning about black holes, my atoms are vibrating with anxiety!
@georgejones3526
@georgejones3526 Жыл бұрын
The whole universe gives me the heebee-jeebees.
@BleuSquid
@BleuSquid Жыл бұрын
I was so confused to hear Brady's voice at the start. I though this was a Dr. Becky video when I clicked on it! Love you both!
@Droopy95mkDS
@Droopy95mkDS Жыл бұрын
Yaaay Beckyyy ! One of the greatest physics doctor on KZfaq (like Dr. Don Lincoln from Fermilab both are amazing imo)
@alsmith20000
@alsmith20000 Жыл бұрын
I didn't understand why the Innermost Stable Circular Orbit being the same size or larger than the Self Gravitational Radius would stop accretion. I assume the latter is basically an interpretation of the Roche limit and the typical sizes of stars? It sounded like a star would disintegrate when approaching a black hole, but its material could still orbit the black hole in a stable way, somewhat further in. If the ISCO was larger than the SGR, wouldn't that just mean that stars are doomed to fall in before they are torn apart?
@Macieks300
@Macieks300 Жыл бұрын
From what I understood if the ISCO is larger than the SGR then the only thing you can have orbiting the black hole is "clumps" which are probably mostly stars. That means that you can't have the accretion disc because all the stuff orbiting would always start clumping together.
@caconym358
@caconym358 Жыл бұрын
I had the same question. IIUC, in a "normal" black hole friction within the accretion disk is responsible for sapping the orbital energy of accreting particles until they hit the ISCO and spiral in. If the theoretical outer boundary of the accretion disk is inside the ISCO, the black hole has no mechanism for reducing the orbits of objects that might otherwise join its accretion disk, and highly elliptical/hyperbolic orbits may even skim within the ISCO without being trapped since they have a lot of excess energy? So you're left with the only ways for an object to enter the black hole being the sort of "bulls-eye" Dr. Becky mentioned, where I guess you'd need a closest approach somewhere between the event horizon and the ISCO depending on the orbital energy of the object, and objects that independently place themselves in circular orbits at or within the ISCO, which don't occur in nature AFAIK. Intuitively it feels like a black hole that massive wouldn't *need* an accretion disk to pull in matter-it could just sweep through space like a giant eraser-but the effect this video's talking about may come down to the fact that a hypermassive black hole doesn't have a proportionally hypermassive accretion disk to pull in matter, so its growth is slowed to what's effectively a stop *relative to its size*. All speculation. :)
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
If the ISCO is too large then clumps of matter (Stars, clusters...) will be stable. At that point 'friction' between clumps becomes negligible, in the way that it's very rare for two stars in our galaxy to interact. Compared with an accretion disk where its glow is a direct energy loss, this drastically cuts down the amount of material falling to the center in the same way our sun is not swallowing planets on a regular basis.
@jip5889
@jip5889 Жыл бұрын
The thing to keep in mind is that all that mass is concentrated in a point in the center, an infinitely small point. I think we intiuitively mistake the event horizon circle as having the mass evenly spread which is not the case. This is why we get these three other outer circles, EH, ISCO and SGR.
@B-System
@B-System Жыл бұрын
@@jip5889 That's what I was missing. Thanks.
@Worldwave
@Worldwave Жыл бұрын
yaaaaay Becky on one of Brady's videos! Two of my favorite KZfaqrs!
@pwhite2579
@pwhite2579 Жыл бұрын
ordered your hardcover book by Amazon. It is not available in the states at Barnes and Noble (a week ago). Can't wait to read it!
@bradwood556
@bradwood556 3 ай бұрын
DR Becky is so awesome!
@coopergates9680
@coopergates9680 Жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Note that black holes too massive for accretion disks are large enough to intercept vast amounts of radiation, whether light or otherwise, so they will keep growing even if they don't swallow bulk matter.
@RedRocket4000
@RedRocket4000 Жыл бұрын
Yep they finally large enough to hit a lot of stuff. Smaller black holes fairly tiny targets.
@RobinWildlife
@RobinWildlife Жыл бұрын
Dr. Smethurst is awesome!
@ibrahimswiss8714
@ibrahimswiss8714 Жыл бұрын
It was difficult to understand, that's due to my simple brain. I need to buy the book to understand more, thank you for explaining. 🙏🏼
@jessicamorgan3073
@jessicamorgan3073 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dr. Becky, Brady and James for a fab video. Do you think that when the Milky Way and Andromeda merge, the resultant merger of the black holes will generate a Quasar?
@BreakerBinge
@BreakerBinge Жыл бұрын
Just got your book on audible😁
@tomschmidt381
@tomschmidt381 Жыл бұрын
That was interesting, I had not thought about black holes having a maximum size.
@Kevin_Street
@Kevin_Street Жыл бұрын
I thought they just grew and grew until they ate everything nearby. It's really surprising to hear they may have a maximum size.
@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761
@trollerjakthetrollinggod-e7761 Жыл бұрын
@@Kevin_Street it is understandable. The bigger it is, the weaker the surface gravity. At a certain point it's almost nothing
@nosuchthing8
@nosuchthing8 Жыл бұрын
I doubt there I'd an actual limit
@adamplentl5588
@adamplentl5588 Жыл бұрын
@@nosuchthing8 is that based on something other than your tummy feelings?
@Neloish
@Neloish Жыл бұрын
Dr. Becky is the best.
@GeirGunnarss
@GeirGunnarss Жыл бұрын
Love Dr. Becky.
@mikestreet4339
@mikestreet4339 Жыл бұрын
I love watching someone who's so passionate about the science, excitedly sharing and explaining in layterms what is going on. Questions: 1. I don't get how the ISCO isn't completely subjective for literally every instance of matter in the accretion disc, unless maybe everything within the disk is atomized to be exactly the same uniform individual particle mass relative to each other, depending on its location within a scalar field where individual particle masses are higher and higher the further you orbit from the event horizon? (maybe I answered my own question there, but I'm not positive). -but then similarly, why wouldn't the Self Gravitational Radius just grow infinitely, assuming the black hole was feeding and had a hypothetically infinite source of matter incrementally surrounding it? I understand that's not how matter distributes in the universe, but I just feel like as a thought experiment the SGR would more understandably be subjective for any nearby object according to the mass of said object in relation to the mass of the black hole and distance from event horizon or any matter in the accretion disk. Even if some stars formed outside of the accretion disk, how can the changing mass of the disk or the growing mass of the black hole not eventually influence this group of stars to form/become part of the evolving disk, ad infinitum? 2. Couldn't Hawking Radiation theoretically "whittle down" a black hole that has reached the relative equilibrium of ISCO and SGR, and therefore the decreasing mass of the black hole would eventually pull back the ISCO to the point where any nearby matter could then be more gravitationally attracted to the black hole than to something else, thus restarting "feeding" and reigniting the accretion disk? 3. Dr. Becky can I maybe buy you a coffee some time?
@Currywurst4444
@Currywurst4444 Жыл бұрын
A ultra large black hole simply doesnt have an accretion disk. When a smaller black hole comes close to a star it tears it apart and all the friction between particles causes the material to accumulate around the black hole. A ultra large black hole just changes the orbit of any star so it continues to circle around it. All of this is of course what happens on average most of the time, both is still possible with both sizes of black hole. You are farther away from a larger black hole so the gravitational field is less curved. The varying gravitational strength inside a body is what normally rips it apart. You can calculate the gravitational radius with newtons equations to see for yourself. Hawking radiation actually deceases with the large a black hole is. Its connected to the curvature of gravitation too. Also, it is so slow that it only becomes a factor after every single star will be long gone.
@judychurley6623
@judychurley6623 Жыл бұрын
Takes me back! I used to sign my photo students' yearbooks with a drawing of a camera!
@maxmusterman3371
@maxmusterman3371 Жыл бұрын
Super interesting video :D
@wixom01
@wixom01 Жыл бұрын
Oh, wow, I hadn't heard of this new book. Thumbs up for the video so that I can now go get my Kindle version!
@ihatethesensors
@ihatethesensors Жыл бұрын
Becky's the best!
@dewaard3301
@dewaard3301 Жыл бұрын
Man, just in time for the Christmas gift season too!
@weiniesail
@weiniesail Жыл бұрын
I would love if you did a video on the density of BHs. Do all black holes have the same density? Is there an upper universal density limit? Etc
@pikiwiki
@pikiwiki Жыл бұрын
That drawing. very cool
@josipgrgic2409
@josipgrgic2409 Жыл бұрын
Couldn't we detect the black hole by its effect on other nerby stars? Even though the black hole reached the maximum size above which there is no disk of stuff, still the hole has some mass and is affecting the path of the stars that pass by or orbit it?
@potterma63
@potterma63 Жыл бұрын
Funny I find this video today. I was just reading the chapter about ultramassive black holes last night!
@Kram1032
@Kram1032 Жыл бұрын
There also is an upper limit for how fast black holes can spin (assuming naked singularities are impossible), right? So what is the maximum size for a maximally spinning black hole?
@Geezimac
@Geezimac Жыл бұрын
Nice to see you back on sixty symbols… for a minute I thought YT dumped an old video in my feed.
@artemkras
@artemkras Жыл бұрын
Sixty Symbols is where I first saw Dr. Becky a long time ago.
@terryarmbruster9719
@terryarmbruster9719 Жыл бұрын
Theoretically the uppermost limit no matter the conjectures would be to take total energy/mass of universe translate it into mass then work out the size from there via gravity equations and geometry
@davidwilkie9551
@davidwilkie9551 11 ай бұрын
Or from the Holographic Principle Imagery POV, Spacetime is the orthogonal-normal distribution of Black hole Singularity-point positioning by Sublimation-Tunnelling, mathematically speaking in Susskind's version of ER=EPR information In-form-ation.
@stephaniejean2426
@stephaniejean2426 Жыл бұрын
Hey friends I'm new here but wow I'm impressed... This channel seems a bit like Numberphile but with physics instead of maths. 💯💜
@kebman
@kebman Жыл бұрын
Genius!
@Crushnaut
@Crushnaut Жыл бұрын
Couple questions; 1. Wouldn't these ultra massive black holes still be able to eat via things orbiting them giving off energy via gravitational waves and loosing orbital energy? 2. Is the inner most stable orbit an exact circle? If there was structure inside a black hole (big if) could we learn about this structure by studying the shape of the inner most stable orbit? 3. You say things colliding with this black hole would be rare. Yes space is big, but my calculations have the radius of a 50,000,000,000 solar mass black hole as being about 1000 AU (1.5% of a light year). That seems to be getting into the size that stuff would be bull's eyeing it all the time. Perhaps not a solar mass of stuff, but over time I would think this would still appreciably increase its mass. Am I wrong here? 4. Why didn't you draw the black hole top down? LOL Fun Fact; a black hole this big would take about 1.5 x 10^99 years to decay via hawking radiation, however, currently it would not even emit as much heat as it would gain from the cosmic microwave background radiation. Given the expansion of the universe, this black hole will be one of the last objects in the universe.
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
1.) Yes, as well as orbital rearrangements. But this is a VERY slow process compared with accretion and would not appreciably add to the hole's mass in the next 100 billion years. 2.) The ISCO is a spherical region where any disruption causes an object to fall into the hole. If the hole is spinning or not itself perfectly spherical, this region grows larger than expected. So measuring it WILL tell us something3.) about the hole. 3.) Not really. The space around these holes is not random, most objects will be orbiting the hole itself, where the physics tends to prevent them hitting it. It is not just a matter of drawing straight lines through a galaxy and seeing how many cross the hole, objects will be actively positioned and moving to avoid collision. It is remarkably hard to hit a central mass.
@cryptic_daemon_
@cryptic_daemon_ Жыл бұрын
I really like Dr Becky, she should make her own youtube channel!!
@piratecheese13
@piratecheese13 Жыл бұрын
Becky is my favorite place to get deep space picture news
@MariusPartenie
@MariusPartenie Жыл бұрын
I like that the name of the black hole is TON. It's short for the Tonantzintla Catalogue, but it's kind of funny. Yeah, a black hole does weight a TON.
@deltalima6703
@deltalima6703 Жыл бұрын
Black holes are weightless. If you put one on a scale you will find the scale does not read anything.
@R_V_
@R_V_ Жыл бұрын
@@deltalima6703 If you put a black hole on a scale, you will find the scale disappearing into the event horizon.
@sabastiankilgore781
@sabastiankilgore781 Жыл бұрын
@@deltalima6703 oioi you get their point, it has an absolute ton of mass
@bytefu
@bytefu Жыл бұрын
What's even funnier is that an actual black hole with a mass of 1 ton would not be visible even under a microscope, let alone from however many light-years there is to this TON.
@deltalima6703
@deltalima6703 Жыл бұрын
@R V nailed it! Exactly what I was talking about! :D Weight and mass are not the same property, the weight of a black hole is nonsense.
@andyc3088
@andyc3088 Жыл бұрын
Is Phoenix A at the centre of the Phoenix Cluster bigger then TON 618?
@boredgrass
@boredgrass Жыл бұрын
Finally Sixty Symbols is complete again!
@dookie3453
@dookie3453 Жыл бұрын
Very confusing and fascinating
@OvidiuHretcanu
@OvidiuHretcanu Жыл бұрын
another example of the explanation that is waaay more interesting that the answer itself
@MasterHigure
@MasterHigure Жыл бұрын
I feel the need to correct the graphics at 3:00: On an image of a black hole, the circular black shadow (which is all we can see of the actual hole) is the limit for which light can come from elsewhere towards the black hole, get close to the black hole, and then get back out to us. The boundary of that sphere is about twice as far out from the center as the actual event horizon. The event horizon is the boundary for where a person can shine a light at us and we can see it. The black shadow is the boundary for where in addition, this person can at the same time shine a light in the exact opposite direction, and that light can escape the black hole. Alternately, the black shadow fills the region of your field of vision where if you shine a light in that direction, the light eventually ends up inside the black hole. It is not difficult to imagine that this lies strictly outside the event horizon, and if I recall correctly, it is a pretty standard calculation (for anyone familiar with the Schwarzschild metric) to find the actual radius. But it has been a decade since I did that math myself, so I don't remember the details.
@NATESOR
@NATESOR Жыл бұрын
fascinating stuff. Gotta say, pretty counter intuitive. You'd think the bigger it got, the easier it would be for it to get an ever larger accretion disk. But I'll trust someone with a pHD over my gut intuitions lol.
@bvbinsane1vanity
@bvbinsane1vanity Жыл бұрын
Sounds like you’re reluctantly trusting someone with a pHD over your arrogant gut.
@richard8176
@richard8176 Жыл бұрын
Is there a theoretical maximum size for a star? If there is what is it, and what would be its radius?
@1mlister
@1mlister 9 ай бұрын
Why does the self gravitational radius not increase with the size of the black hole?
@TomasVolley
@TomasVolley Жыл бұрын
When particles fall into a black hole, do they at the highest velocity approach or get at or exceed the speed of light in vaccum?
@johnnyrepine937
@johnnyrepine937 Жыл бұрын
Office hours with Dr. Becky!
@drzerg2
@drzerg2 Жыл бұрын
Could someone explain what subjective time will object need to reach singularity starting from event horizon point if we assume that the mass of BH is about the mass of observable universe?
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 8 ай бұрын
Is it a meaningless question to ask what the 'distance' is between the event horizon of a black hole and the songularity? Or to put it another way, is it acceptable to say that if the circumference of the event horizon is say 10000km, then the distance to the singularity would be the radius of the even horizon?
@helicalactual
@helicalactual Жыл бұрын
At what point towards the singularity, do wave functions stop propagating and freeze before collapsing?
@nihilus0
@nihilus0 Жыл бұрын
I always have the same question in my head when talking about Supermassive Black Holes. Time passes differently for us on earth and for astronauts in the ISS. It’s just milliseconds or even less, but still, Earths gravity has an effect on it. How much does a supermassive black hole in a galactic centar affect star systems close to it in comparison to systems on the galactic edge?
@LMarti13
@LMarti13 Жыл бұрын
When you ask "Is there an upper limit to the mass of a black hole" you go on to answer the question assuming a NATURAL black hole. But what if some hyper-advanced civilization decided to park a sphere of unimaginable mass outside the accretion disk and then launch all of it, all at once, at the speed of light, into the black hole? Surely that would increase the mass higher than the "limit" you describe? I think it's important to distinguish between physical limits and stochastic limits.
@MauroMarzorati
@MauroMarzorati Жыл бұрын
Hmm, if the suggestion made @7:58 is accurate, would that phenomenon not also explain the "unaccounted for" matter in our models?
@hissingsidll750
@hissingsidll750 Жыл бұрын
The thinking mans crumpet ..........thought I`d drag it down to my level 😆
@kmcnelley1981
@kmcnelley1981 Жыл бұрын
Just a person that really enjoys trying to understand universe things, new concepts take a while to sink in… maybe. Still getting used to the ISCO radius of a black hole can vary depending on the value of its angular momentum . This is from frame dragging?? Guess my question would be if I can get it right. Is the vector?? from the event horizon to the ISCO the same for black holes mass regardless but because of frame dragging the it ISCO appears closer to the black hole. I would be so happy to be corrected or have a better explanation given. Many thanks in advance.
@toshiro0o
@toshiro0o Жыл бұрын
Nice video! The only thing that bugged me is that the ISCO should be a bit further from the horizon if the drawing is to scale.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Жыл бұрын
Did you watch the part where the two diameters become equal?
@toshiro0o
@toshiro0o Жыл бұрын
@@johndododoe1411 no no, the isco scales proportionally to the horizon. Whether it coincides with this self-gravitating radius has nothing to do with it
@beck4218
@beck4218 Жыл бұрын
Bought it on Audible!
@peteman-ur9gi
@peteman-ur9gi Жыл бұрын
So there's sort of an unofficial upper bound of how big they are likely to get naturally, but lets say you had the power to shove more and more matter into a black hole. Is there a limit to the size then? Like... is there a point where they evaporate faster than they can eat matter?
@garethdean6382
@garethdean6382 Жыл бұрын
No, indeed their evaporation becomes SLOWER as they get more massive.
@MrGemaxos
@MrGemaxos 6 ай бұрын
Why does the selfgravitational radius not grow with the mass of the black hole/with the size of its eventhorizon?
@sk8mysterion
@sk8mysterion Жыл бұрын
How fascinating :)
@AppNasty
@AppNasty Жыл бұрын
3 questions. 1. What makes everything orbit the milkyways's BH? Does its pull reach as far out as the edge or is it that the nearest stars have their own gravity that holds on to the further out stars and those have gravity that pull on further out stars and on and on? 2. Say you find a BH at its max limit. So much that a grain of sand cannot fall into it. What would happen if you took your perfect tech ology and perfect ship to the edge and force shot a missile at the right angle and speed? Would it automatically change its trajectory and orbit? What would happen if it falls in? Would the BH 'trade' it via ejecting something? Would it create a new object? What if you had 2 of them at their max and say...artificially you could push one of them at the right angle and force them to merge? 3. Is there math we could do that would answer what TIME would be like between 2 of these BH in maximum close orbit of one another? Say 2 got as naturally close to each other as possible. And say you in your perfect space ship are protected and in the middle of them. What would time do?
@Reddoguk
@Reddoguk Жыл бұрын
I wonder if stars and black holes have a north and south pole. Because the milky way is a huge plate shaped object i'm guessing that any ejection from our black hole wouldn't hit any of the spiral arms but like a spinning top they would just go up and down and miss everything.
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