Could this also be used to shift a triple up front on a touring bike?

@@donhuber9131 yes but it’s completely overkill. Just get the Rivendell Silver shifter for that.

@@PathLessPedaledTV I will! Thank you!

Compared to what though? If we are talking about shifters - and this is about one, then actually no. I mean yes, this looks sturdy and like it could up the test of time. But then most shifters do. Shifters almost never break, and i'm talking about the more "complex" indexed shifters. They usually work years and decades without taking any care. If they "break" they are usually just gunked up and are easily fixed with some break cleaner. I'm not convinced. It's 150$ for a single shifter. I can get a "new" used bike in riding condition for that - shifters included. This thing is expansive compared to brifters (and you still need two break arms and of coure, with a front derailour, two of those shifters) and compared to flat bar shifters, yikes. Trust me, i'm absolutely against planned obscolescence. It's kreeping into every single aspect of life, I'm sick and tired of companies making their shit break early and difficult/impossible to fix. But pick a reasonable target. Apple, Samsung, Amazon, Microsoft, Audi, BMW, Tesla, John Deer, Samsung, etc. Countless brands and products to tear apart about how anti consumer, anti repairable they are. Indexed Shifters, that often last decades (!) without any care and/or maintainance are not one of them.

@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 literally broke an apex trigger shifter in 3 days and immediately replaced it with a friction thumbie.

Bingo!

Agree with you though I've used Shimano bar ends for years. This new product is quite appealing though as it also comes in a thumbie iteration.

I remember when relatively affordable bicycle manufacturers mostly all took pride in their work, even at entry levels. I started serious long riding in the late 60s when I was still a young kid. I'm a retired mechanical inspector and machinist. I've also had a small business building custom wheels and servicing bikes in my garage for decades. In my opinion, bicycles should be very simple and reliable machines. Back in the day, a highest end race bike was more easily serviceable than an affordable one. My newest ride is about 20 years old now. Quality control in the larger bike industry these days is generally a bad overpriced joke. Nobody's fooling me. I think its shameful. Yet consumers spend their own hard earned money. There is really no reason for all the complexity consumers demand and pay thru the nose for. Yet, it's my job security. I find that quite ironic. It's pretty cool to see new parts with simple old technology and long term reliability in mind. Especially the excellent valued Japanese made gear. Nevertheless, There's still lots of old parts available that have survived all these years. Many older parts were made to very high quality levels with longevity and serviceability in mind. I still ride lots of them and they've aged well after many hard dirty miles, touring and racing. I just got hold of NOS Sun Tour bar ends still in their sealed package. I'm still using a bunch of really old Campy, Shimano, Sun Tour shifters and lots of other old 'junk'. Lots of it I find for free and barely used. Dusty and forgotten in people's storage. When you use a double or triple crank, 10 speeds at rear is more than enough. My old restored Albert Eisentraut bike uses a 3x6 or 7 set up. It's just fine for riding all day

It's not just cycling. In fact, it appears to be damned near everything. Look into John Deere tractors.

Welcome to capitalism. All capitalism will invariably lead to monopolies as certain corporations accumulate more capital than others and outcompete and buy all their competitors.

@@kiuk_kiks Then the prices go up. Could This be an oligopoly? Maybe, the big bike makers aren't really competing.

Can you tell us more about your setup?

best used for aero bars (the aero bars will need to be grinded or reamed to fit) can also use it if you want to simply run mtb cassette and hubs without changing out to a oddball road hub and road cassette.

Highly recommend this type of thing if you change your bike around a lot. It'll save you lots of money in the long run.

A few years after I bought my 1973 Fuji Finest, I upgraded to SunTour bar end shifters. Same mechanism, just a different location! They still work like a charm!

I don't know - 10sp Shimano bar-end shifters in friction mode shift 11sp fine in my experience. I'd think they'd shift 12sp also. I don't Think they make them new anymore, but you can still find them in good used condition. You can also attach the derailleur cable at the derailleur end of things so that it moves the derailleur a little more, changing the ratio. I wonder if that would be enough to make any old bar-end shifter move an 11/12sp derailleur fine. The shifter in the vid seems like a really nice shifter, though.

You don’t need to swap components if you just use a different bike each time. Swapping parts is such as waste of time; isn’t it faster to just buy a new bike each time you need to test something/need something different?

@@slowcyclist4324 yeah just buy a new bike every time, that's insane

It was a staple product for many decades. Mostly used for other than road bikes for racing. I found them preferable to down tube levers on my 60 cm road bike because my knee over lapped with down tube levers. That being said they are still somewhat awkward. When I finally got a set integrated brake/shift levers I personally will never go back. As far as planned obsolescence goes I'm still using ultegra 8s STI lever with a triple on my Zurich . An XTR short cage rapid rise and Deore XT front. Never misses a shift no matter how hard I'm pedaling that would be the XTR. Front shift I do let up a bit. Cog set 13 - 26 and 30,42 53 chain rings It all worked well here in hilly wisconsin so I never changed it.

I had requested that they came pre-loctited from the factory, but obvs that didn't happen. Simple fix at least.

Not in my country it doesn't .

I replaced just one Ultegra DI2 11speed hydro brifter for a customer who tried to bleed his own freakin brakes. He blew out the master cylinder in the lever. By the time this and a tune up was completed, service and parts cost him nearly $1000 AND his bike sat unused in our shop for 3 weeks waiting for the freakin parts to become available. These retro shifters are dirt cheap! For anyone considering 'high technology' on hard used, dirt ridden bicycles, replacement cost of all those overpriced, overly complex parts should be considered. Old school, simple and reliable bikes could last for decades if properly cared for. Mine certainly do. New school junk is designed with a 5-10 year life at most in mind. At that point, good luck finding new replacement parts. You're expected to 'upgrade'. Proprietary junk is designed to quickly become obsolete.

Same lever. First time in a modified pod.

I address every one of those points in this video to set accurate expectations.

@@PathLessPedaledTV I saw. I’d hoped it would improve shifting range and leverage versus MS on my 1x12. I’m sure it would be great on 11spd, however. Your channel is terrific.

A “soft” material (aluminum) cannot damage a harder one (steel cable). Swathes of top tube mounted or quill stem mounted shifters activating 3 cogs flywheels were made, the other century, 20th, using antiquated casting technology by Simplex, Huret and precursors which channels never were machined or polished. It never resulted in cable damage. That’s steel on steel rubbing which damages a cable.