18kg

@@RebelRDX 45l model I guess?

@@tkbattaglia ah yes, I should've said. The 45 is rated to 18kg - not sure if the 30 is less or not. Not sure if 18kg is ever that comfy either but at least it can handle it - even if I don't want to 😁

Both packs have a recommended capacity of 40 lbs (18kg!)

I have had that much in my bd blitz 20 and it is definitely not as bad as one might think

I don't think challenge has been making ultra fabric for 5 years but I get the sentiment

​@@woahitstheillusion9749 None of these packs from LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs or Durston etc. are really meant for serious hikers. They're meant for people who only walk through well-marked and well-known hiking trails that have a shop to fill up on your food and water every 20-30 miles (at most). I've come across quote a lot of guys who use these kinds of packs, and when I've asked if they'd be interested in joining me on a hike across places like the Caucasus Mountains or the Arctic Circle, or even a small 60-mile hike from the border of Saudi Arabia to Wadi Rum Village, they go "Nah, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with hiking so far away from civilisation". Only ever found ONE guy who joined me on a 150-mile hike across the Dasht-e Lut Desert in Iran 7 years ago, and he was an Aussie like me. North Americans and most Europeans are pussies when it comes to hiking. As soon as they figure out they're more than 80 miles from the next water supply and that they'd have to carry 12L of water, they go "NUH UH, NO WAY".

Agreed. Most pack manufactures that are paying attention to what us UL consumers want (like Dan Durston) know that we expect a few important specs. 1. roll top 2. Y strap on top 3. reverse pull hip belts 3. load lifters 4. weather proof hip pockets big enough to carry the largest cell phones. To add to this, this I think this pack will be a total bust as BD has priced it out of the market. Sure, some will buy out of curiosity to review on their YT channels but the masses will take a pass as there are other, better less expensive options.

AFAIK the Kakwa has a 400D bottom, or at least where the frame stay hits the bottom does. It's also worth mentioning that the Kakwa uses a U-frame whereas this uses the typical stays design that will barrel when loaded up.

I second this comment. I went to the website to analyze the pack based on some clear product photos but was underwhelmed by how little was available. Premium product? Sure. But then market it with premium effort. It's not too late Black Diamond. You can go back and add some stuff! :)

Don't by this bag. Go to the companys thats done this for years that they are copying. Brands as; LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs, Durston and so many more. Nothing of this is new, regardless of what BD says. On the wesites from the brands mentioned obove you can get all the data you need about the fabric and weights and more

@@SigfridSWE I've been a Durston/Pa'Lante fanboy for years now. You speak the truth friend. FWIW I don't think Black Diamond put out a bad item here. I think they were lazy in their advertisement, don't fully understand or appreciate how meticulous thru-hikers and ultralight folk are for specs, and are trying to go the HyperLite route (e.g. charging well above other pack maker prices because they know they have a "house hold name" and that a certain number of people will buy it just for brand recognition.)

I got a fjallraven 75L for around 400€... great backpack! I am an beginner btw, and not pr4cticed😅

Reverse hip belt is king. I constantly wonder why anyone makes them any other way.

Just get a Kakwa for half the price.

The larger size should fit a torso of 21"-22"

I had to buy the 60+10 version of my main big pack because the 50+10 was too short. I also discovered later that the waist belt doesn’t go small enough when I only have a t shirt on (I do have strange proportions). Waist belt set to the min and back length set to the max

I said the same thing. That fact that its max is 21.5" torso is short sided on their part. Thank God for builders like Peter at ULA Equipment for catering to us taller folks.

Yeah, I just compared this with hyperlight and it's $100 more for something around the same weight but 10 fewer litres. It also doesn't have the brand name that Hyperlight has.

Most ultralight packs do not have a mesh suspension system

@@nothanks3146 Hence why literally ALL ultralight packs are for pussies who only hike short distances in perfect weather on well-known and well-marked hiking paths... None of these packs from LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Hyperlite, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs or Durston are really meant for serious hikers. They're meant for people who only walk through hiking trails that have a shop to fill up on your food and water every 20-30 miles (at most). I've come across quote a lot of guys who use these kinds of packs, and when I've asked if they'd be interested in joining me on a hike across places like the Caucasus Mountains or the Arctic Circle, or even a small 60-mile hike from the border of Saudi Arabia to Wadi Rum Village, they go "Nah, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with hiking so far away from civilisation". Only ever found ONE guy who joined me on a 150-mile hike across the Dasht-e Lut Desert in Iran 7 years ago, and he was an Aussie like me. North Americans and most Europeans are pussies when it comes to hiking. As soon as they figure out they're more than 80 miles from the next water supply and that they'd have to carry 12L of water, they go "NUH UH, NO WAY".

None of these packs from LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs or Durston etc. are really meant for serious hikers. They're meant for people who only walk through well-marked and well-known hiking trails that have a shop to fill up on your food and water every 20-30 miles (at most). I've come across quote a lot of guys who use these kinds of packs, and when I've asked if they'd be interested in joining me on a hike across places like the Caucasus Mountains or the Arctic Circle, or even a small 60-mile hike from the border of Saudi Arabia to Wadi Rum Village, they go "Nah, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with hiking so far away from civilisation". Only ever found ONE guy who joined me on a 150-mile hike across the Dasht-e Lut Desert in Iran 7 years ago, and he was an Aussie like me. North Americans and most Europeans are pussies when it comes to hiking. As soon as they figure out they're more than 80 miles from the next water supply and that they'd have to carry 12L of water, they go "NUH UH, NO WAY".

None of these packs from LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Hyperlite, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs or Durston etc. are really meant for serious hikers. They're meant for people who only walk through well-marked and well-known hiking trails that have a shop to fill up on your food and water every 20-30 miles (at most). I've come across quote a lot of guys who use these kinds of packs, and when I've asked if they'd be interested in joining me on a hike across places like the Caucasus Mountains or the Arctic Circle, or even a small 60-mile hike from the border of Saudi Arabia to Wadi Rum Village, they go "Nah, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with hiking so far away from civilisation". Only ever found ONE guy who joined me on a 150-mile hike across the Dasht-e Lut Desert in Iran 7 years ago, and he was an Aussie like me. North Americans and most Europeans are pussies when it comes to hiking. As soon as they figure out they're more than 80 miles from the next water supply and that they'd have to carry 12L of water, they go "NUH UH, NO WAY".

None of these packs from LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs or Durston etc. are really meant for serious hikers. They're meant for people who only walk through well-marked and well-known hiking trails that have a shop to fill up on your food and water every 20-30 miles (at most). I've come across quote a lot of guys who use these kinds of packs, and when I've asked if they'd be interested in joining me on a hike across places like the Caucasus Mountains or the Arctic Circle, or even a small 60-mile hike from the border of Saudi Arabia to Wadi Rum Village, they go "Nah, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with hiking so far away from civilisation". Only ever found ONE guy who joined me on a 150-mile hike across the Dasht-e Lut Desert in Iran 7 years ago, and he was an Aussie like me. North Americans and most Europeans are pussies when it comes to hiking. As soon as they figure out they're more than 80 miles from the next water supply and that they'd have to carry 12L of water, they go "NUH UH, NO WAY".

With all the removable features left on the pack, 695g for the 30L and 890g for the 45L is correct! However, the weight also reduces as you take off the extras-we just wanted to make sure you’ve got options. Take out the removable metal stays, the hip belt, optional webbing, and the extra padding on the 45L and it’s down to 521g (1.15lbs.) If you go for the 30L you can get it down to 452g (1 lb.)

​@@BlackDiamondEquipmentLtdif you want to sell these packs to its intended audience you need to make a more in depth overview video that shows every nook and cranny.

Like most things - Yes... Those machines you saw were only for making prototypes and manufacturer samples for the Chinese crew...

None of these packs from LightAF, Zpacks, Nashville packs, Pa'lante packs, Superior Wilderness Designs or Durston etc. are really meant for serious hikers. They're meant for people who only walk through well-marked and well-known hiking trails that have a shop to fill up on your food and water every 20-30 miles (at most). I've come across quote a lot of guys who use these kinds of packs, and when I've asked if they'd be interested in joining me on a hike across places like the Caucasus Mountains or the Arctic Circle, or even a small 60-mile hike from the border of Saudi Arabia to Wadi Rum Village, they go "Nah, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with hiking so far away from civilisation". Only ever found ONE guy who joined me on a 150-mile hike across the Dasht-e Lut Desert in Iran 7 years ago, and he was an Aussie like me. North Americans and most Europeans are pussies when it comes to hiking. As soon as they figure out they're more than 80 miles from the next water supply and that they'd have to carry 12L of water, they go "NUH UH, NO WAY".

I’m no BD acolyte, and I def didn’t pick up that vibe at all. Pretty sure dude literally said they, as in BD, were taking inspo from the thruhiking movement.

They said it’s their “answer to the fast pack movement”. They didn’t say they invented it.

For some reason, many of those cottage packs don't have running vest style straps. These new BD packs do, which is a welcome addition to the market.

Well, it seems that they also discovered Ultra fabrics as well, so good for them. :)

@tripdox So did you have a reason for torpedoing the announcement of a new product by a small company? They never said they reinvented the wheel, you just decided to slam them with no motive or justification.