The BoS were the military, not the government. That would be the Enclave.

​@hermos3602 keep in mind the US wasn't ruled by corporations as many think, the enclave ruled the US and the corporations were just convenient for producing stuff and being potential fall guys

​@@hermos3602 That's a distinction without a difference. The military is part of the government. The Department of Defense is the largest government agency we have.

The military is the government dummy, US army ain’t no private army lmao

@@MaouVallkur not in fallout, the BOS was a rather small force while the enclave was the elite force (delta and such) the rest were left to rot

Uh yeah…. He just said that…

​@@danka4960no

​@RickJoystick Yes apart of the story is his commander locked himself in a room for a while then eventually shot himself

Colonel Robert A. Spindel, who killed himself after the weight of guilt of what he and his regiment had been protecting came to light. Captain Roger Maxon was the officer who stepped up into leadership, and all the others fell in line behind him.

Would they technically be a cult made in the war rather than a post or pre war cult? Since the bombs could have been being armed and launched while they were rebelling and declaring independence

It became a post-war cult. Their current culture has evolved to the point it's at now. It's also fractured. The different sects we've seen all have different values and opinions on how to achieve their goals.

that's actually kinda cool, simce i haven't played 76 i never knew that

​@@Alacritousand then each sect probably has it's own outcasts

@@TheIncredabad69 Like any religion, heretics are just the ones that don't follow the majority belief.

That ideology did seem to wax and wane over the years. It fell to each Elder to dictate how the Brotherhood would conduct themselves. Elder Lyons returned to the first Maxson's ideology of saving people. The latest Elder Maxson decided to go back to the original mission without the humanitarian operations.

​@@LordBloodraven That's not what I read. It appears that Arthur Maxson's East Coast BoS is closer to an order state than what they were before. They recruit from the common people and they protect the DC area, protect water distribution, and have pushed out the raiders and super mutants. They definitely have humanitarian outreach but only for humans. Which is the dark side of Arthur's BoS, the side I'm most disappointed about.

@@Epzo1 That's part of the tragic irony. The current BoS considered Lyons and his followers all but traitors, and far earlier in Appalachia, the faction with Paladin Rahmani were branded such. Both groups were closer to Maxson's vision for the Brotherhood than any other faction.

And this is why the Mid-West Brotherhood is the best. Sure, they have many of the typical Brotherhood stuff, but they actually give a damn about people, help them out and even recruit outsiders into their ranks (including Ghouls, the sentient Deathclaws and even Super-Mutants). While every other BoS group is slowly dying out, these guys keep growing in strength. And no, I don't give a damn what Todd says, for me Tactics is at least semi-canon due to the Mid-West BoS being mentioned in New Vegas.

​@@CommanderBohn if mid west BoS is canon, theyd be a strong contender for the strongest faction in the series thus far. Advanced tech with the population to grow, and experienced members ala ghouls. Theyd be the closest to the Desert Rangers from the wasteland series.

Yep, Tim Cain.

bos kills everyone tho

​@@2xthbecause Bethesda fucked up the lore Fallout 1 and 2 they are the good guys. Stoping slavers, super mutant armies, the master. Cultists etc...

@@Irving_teran agreed

Are you joking...look at Fallout 3.... Lyon's Chapter!....Also did you ever think that Bethesda did that on purpose & actually has lore to do with that?....you know the BOS in the Commonwealth & in other Chapters not knowing the Original Founders Orders or Believes & Deferent generations of Different Elders & Different beliefs would taint the OG founders Words and Beliefs...it's been 210 years since since the Original Elder Maxon was the Elder!...I mean look at Caeser from Fallout New Vegas....He was originally an NCR civilian that was a part of the Follows of the Apocalypse...he then left & formed the Legion with Joshua Graham & I imagine Ulysses....so what I'm trying to say is Blaming Bethesda for everything wrong in the Fallout series is Wrong!.....I can't deny it, they did do things wrong in Fallout 4...like the Sole survivors having Voice lines & there being no 10mm Submachine Gun in Fallout 4 and other Issues.

@@Cole_Matthews_2004 don't look at fallout 3 and forward That's Bethesda. Look at fallout 1 and 2. Good brotherhood protecting all kinds of people. Fallout tactics: a welcoming brotherhood with all kinds of recruits including ghouls. Problem with Bethesda's brotherhood is they made it more like the enclave. Those are the actual bad guys. Killing ghouls, vault dwellers, wastelanders , and the rest alike. Bethesda's brotherhood of steel is not like the original lore. The only actual objectively good factions from the original lore are the BOS and the followers of the apocalypse. Bethesda made a mockery of BOS.

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Me when Danse gives me his laser Rifle 🤨

@@tylerellis9097 the east coast chapter is very different than the west, also elder Maxon heavily changed the east coast

@@themrlupo3591 The Brothehood sells and shares their tech to people in Fallout 1 and 2. Them hoarding tech was a Recent West Coast Change introduced in 3.

@@tylerellis9097 They also give you Power Armour and other spare tech in nv

Нет, они сами отдали вооружение базы Наварро. Кстати крайне глупо звучит что НКР сами бы смогли захватить базу Наварро без Братства. В старом каноне Новая Калифорнийская Республика, тесно сотрудничала с Братством.

War between them was inevitable. The brotherhood would never serve the ncr and the ncr would call them facists so it was bound to happen.. Ad Victoriam

Power armour and energy weapons I get but toasters are a step too far. Power armour because the fact that the BOS has only done what it did after 200+ years and haven’t tried to conquer the wasteland you’ve earned that, and energy weapons because they’re cool as hell. But denying the wasteland of toast? Monstrous

@@ryanmaclean1720Dont tell the Evil Toaster that

@@ryanmaclean1720 honestly fuck the brotherhood they all seem like some stick up your ass type people and that's why in 2 fallouts they are on the brink of destruction without you rolling with them and yep because they believe the people having any tech is dangerous

@@danielholtham532 lmfao dude I love the evil toaster him and muggy are my 2 favorite old world blues characters

Because protecting people from themselves usually is a Fool's errand

There is an argument to be made. Namely that they're actually trained in how to use it. For example,in fallout 76 a whole bunch of settlers die because they mishandle a rocket launcher. But they're definitely arrogant.

@@alaneskew2664 Something that's painfully obvious for everyone, except for the younger members of the Brotherhood.

@@samuelbishop1701 Funny thing about the Brotherhood is how their members (namely, their Scribes) treat Pre-War tech with certain reverence, acknowledging they don't know everything and they're still learning, while still being tremendously intelligent, in comparison with the average wastelander (I found the Rocket Launcher example from FO76 quite fitting)

If you watched the crappy Amazon show it would seen the bombs dropped because "muh capitalism bro"

Not true. Vault Tec staged a false flag operation against China which lead to Chinese retaliation against America, which in turn led to the Great War on October 23, 2077.

They kind of are to some degree

They always were.

they didn’t, they only fought people who were a direct threat to them. the first chapter that started killing mutants and ghouls because of their existence was the DC brotherhood

@@CharlotteAren they saw abominations especially super mutants as threats to humanity and it wasn't just the chapter in fallout 3 that did it

​@@CharlotteAren wrong buddy they always had a kill on site policy. With a few execptions here and there like with the m8dwest chapter of the brotherhood of steel which is probably my favorite chapter. Ad Victoriam

​​@@jackduddle9449 kinda wrong. The Mojave chapter had no issues with Marcus group at Black Mountain (before Tabitha took over), you can even find on the corpse of the Paladins there an holotape from Elder McNamara saying that "the Mutants have been reasonable In the past and should be cooperative" . The only time the BoS and supermuties clashed in the West was in the war with the Master Army remnants (which was fleshed out in Fallout BoS and as the catalyst for Tactics)

Which was correct. Ghouls and mutants have no place unless they are helping us advance our species. Earth is a gift to humanity and it is ours. We don't share it with glorified zombies. You're making me wonder if you're actually a ghoul/super mutant 🤔

real

Fallout 3 was my first as well and I think it’s the best starting game, it’s very immersive and pulls you in to the story. FO4 it’s great in many ways but the storyline doesn’t grip me as hard tbh.

It is only a short

In the lore the institute is destroyed at the end of Fallout 4, so even if they do kind of come back it would be as scattered remnants. I would absolutely want to see other factions though, it’s kind of a shame that the BoS wipe out the NCR

​@@Misdemeanorv2They didn't wipe out anyone. They're simply syaryed exerting their influence in the face of their collapse.

Because they wear power armor and in fo1 and fo2 they acted like religious fanatics hence the title of brotherhood

"We need to form something stronger, something for people to believe in. We need to form.....a Brotherhood....of steel" - Roger Maxon

@@samuelbishop3316is that a real like ? Sounds legit

​@@airyshark324 That was so obviously a joke.

Probably because most military outfits are largely made up of men, and groups like theirs (in the beginning) tend to be tight knit, especially when they've seen the kinda shit they did together. Pair that with the fact they always wear power armor and have a focus on technology and it makes sense.

The Adeptus Mechanicus has ideas. But seriously, you can make quite a few things out of a toaster, like a water purifier, or a small ceramic kiln, or a high-capacity electric fuse. Toasters are full of useful parts.

That's why it is not canonical fan fiction from Bethesda.

@@MiksusCraftit’s cannon, even the original creators say as much.

@@spaceageGecko Canon means jack in the FO universe. Todd Howard was recently asked which thins were cannon and which were not. Due to timeline inconsistencies certain two things could not happen in the same universe and Todd famously said "Its all cannon" In other words "Cannon" means jack all to the the IP owners post FO2

@@AlkalineGamingHD Or you just read far too much into what he said. He confirmed New vegas is still cannon, thats it. Even the orginal fallout team hate this discourse.

@@spaceageGecko Its not reading too far into it. Its literally surface level basic crap. How is the colony here in year X when game A said it was destroyed in year Y (before X) It takes all of about 3 brain cells to see these two things cant be true in the same universe. If you cant even get the years right -- imagine what else might get looked over "its all cannon" is the worst position to have. Alternative history is a far better argument and even that one is cope.

Almost every faction of the game is based on perceptive bias so if you think they're the villains that just says something about you. I have found that most people that don't like them or consider them to be gross villains are people who don't like the fact that they're nationalistic or militaristic, they bring their politics into the world and often times they are more on the globalist mind set.

Because they are the goat

They were the good guys in fallout 4 too.

​@@theolastnameagain8697barely

@@theolastnameagain8697 _radicalized_ “good” guys. Maxson (the one in Fo4) doesn’t have mercy for anyone who isn’t human.

Don't know I'd trust Gauge 😂 I deifntley don't like the BOS woth howbthey've become but unlike actually raiders they do actually make a territory safer. Rather than taking resources and leaving you to your own suffering and providing nothing. Even if it's a forced service.

Tv show is showing the LA branch which seem to be poorly trained. Titus for example. They however do make a habit of relying arrogantly on their armour and when facing a prepared enemy tend to suffer pretty hefty casualties. The NCR in the show had alot of anit air and anti armour weaponry for example. Normally one squad of Knights would be more than a match.

@@samuelbishop1701 which branch do you think is the best.

any branch near California is low quality, lost a war with the ncr despite their power armor, and also as said in the show, not very well trained

The side of the government that let the experiment happen😂

​@@gibsonmedia5964aka: the good guys. FEV was just the alpha serum to the Captain America Super Soldier Program. That's what they were trying to create. The Enclave knew there was a global war to win and they were trying to win it for a America. They're the only good guys in the whole game. Next to the Institute of course 200 years later. As they were the only faction trying to restore Earth and stop living in radiation dwellings in rusted run down shacks.

Yep. Some sects share it but the traditional stance is to grab it. Thing is they usually focus on military rather than civilian applications. They aren't going to take your water purifier for example.

It's completely irrelevant in the context of the video; their origin and motivations.

I think about the New Vegas chapter of the BOS as the logical conclusion of the faction as a whole. A faction that’s isolationist based on its principles, further radicalized by having to be isolationist also due to circumstances (events of FNV). They very rarely took on new members that weren’t born from within the brotherhood. Chatting with Veronica really highlights the faction’s shortcomings. They really have this high minded opinion that they alone are capable of harnessing technology responsibly, yet Father Elijah exists as a character. Bethesda’s take on the BOS changed the formula. They fundamentally solved the manpower question by taking in common wastelanders at a more rapid pace (events of FO3 and FO4).

Only other option for Post-War America is the NCR, and well...

​@@SlavaMonolitu and the Enclave, and well...

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God bless the enclave, God bless AMERICA! 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅

@@F.ckedUpGunNut TRAITOR!!!!

AD VICTORIUM BROTHER!

Steel be with you.

They are really no different than raiders.

@@ArtificialFertilizer I mean, "thugs" and "raiders" are pretty different concepts. The BOS certainly strongarm people, but they aren't rapists and cannibals, which are extremely rampant in raider gangs, and they certainly don't kill for fun. They also are a military outfit that live in austere conditions despite having the power to make themselves live like a ruling class, so they obviously show self-restraint. When they go through a town they aren't taking the possessions of individual people. In any one area they might cause more death than any given raider gang, and even on a per-capita basis they're probably more deadly, but they absolutely have the power to be so much worse than they are.

If you're trying to play New Vegas, you should watch GamerPoets mod guide. It's the one I use every time I play.