Would be dumb not to go for cooper flagg

I really really disagree with your take. And I would like to state my opinion on why. So first off, it’s a deep draft. Like 8-10 players deep potentially. Some even say that players around 11-20 will still be good role players. And you use the argument that if we keep it this year we can still lose it next year. 80% chance to keep it and 20% to lose it. My question is, do you prefer to draft this year or wait till next year? The answer should be this year. Okay that’s out of the way. You don’t want to tank for one year because that will instill a loser mentality when we should be competing. What are we competing for? What have we been competing since we picked up Dwade and Rondo? 1 round exit? Play in elimination games? You don’t want to see a bad product and I understand. My question is, would you rather see the bulls tank for just 1 year and potentially reach 2nd round exits or continue to see the mediocrity that we have been seeing for almost 10 years now? I’m tired of being competitive. I want to see the Bulls be contenders. The counter argument is that we have build up our young players and then make moves. My argument is no one wants to come here. Not Lebron, Wade Bosh or even Carmelo. Hell we weren’t even Demar first choice. We haven’t been able to make deep play off runs since Jordan. Only time that happened was during the Derrick Rose era and because we got lucky and got him. What made that team exciting is that they played great and if we only had him healthy we knew we could win. I don’t see this in our future. We don’t have a superstar. Coby had one good year but he is not a superstar. His highest ceiling will be the number 2. Ayo in my opinion should be traded for a 1st from this year unprotected.And I don’t understand why the excuse for not tanking is so we don’t make a loser mentality when we are already losers. When was the last time we were at .500 and had a solid postseason? The arguments for not tanking for one year don’t make sense. I would also like to state that only this year we should tank and not the following year

"One pick won't make or break a team." (The 1984 Trailblazers have entered the chat)

They should definitly try and keep this pick i dont see any hope in the future of this franchise otherwise i dont see any player on this roste good enough to make it worth passing on this stacked draft

The bottom line is we have 0 stars this is a draft filled with potential stars. You have to have stars to win. I think that should mean cutting Vucs minutes if you can't trade Zach let him put up big numbers on a bad team to trade him. I think this is already a bottom 5 roster in basketball (without Lavine) and I can't think of a reason to play players like Vuc major minutes.

Completely agree, these young guys have been playing behind the mid 3 for 3 yrs now, bout time we start letting them find their own way without the training wheels demar zach and vooch provide

The argument in the video would have made more sense if we were talking about this PAST draft class. If trading Zach and Vooch only brings back little to no return- so be it. Run this season with your young CORE and see where our pick falls. The upcoming draft class is one that you prioritize pick wise. There’s talent in this class and we are in need of it.

We need more talent. None of the players we have on this team are worth building around. Not getting that pick will set this franchise even further back. You value winning 35-40 games over a prospect like Flagg? What is this take?

trade vooch and keep lavine for half a season, Giddey and Vooch don't fit well together at all also who do you think (currently on this team) has the best of eventually becoming a championship level number 1?

We need to tank . No one on this roster is a star

I think the bulls getting Josh Giddy was great for us because he's a natural point guard. However it pushes ayo to the bench it'll slow his development. I think cody & ayo should be our backcourt and perhaps our future star duo. Now, perhaps if ayo develops his natural point guard skills he'll be the starting point guard. I think we package lavine, a 2030 1st and a 2nd for THT, Walker Kessler and a 2025 1st. Package vuc and a 2nd for Brandon Clarke and a pick. Sign n trade giddy to a team where he can just expand his skills and develop properly Like Utah. Trade him there, get a pick for him. Then hope we get a top 10 pick in the 2025 draft. If we do draft ethier Noa Essengue, ace baily, or drake Powell to be our starting power forward. I personally would draft Xavier Booker. Then our lineup should be 1. Ayo, 2. Coby white, 3. Patrick Williams, 4. Jalen Smith, & 5. Walker Kessler Bench: 1. Dalen terry, 2. THT, 4. Juilan Philips, 4. Matas buzelis & 5. Xavier Booker

I had to replay because I thought you said you were going to Wyoming for vacation. For your family's sake, thank God I misheard

Keeping our pick and actually adding a lottery talent is imperative to success , what's the 1 way to build a great dynasty through the draft ......so to get great players guess what u gotta draft them ....if we don't what we gunna sign some mid free agents like always and call it a days why because nobody will sign to be on a losing non contending team.......so unless I prefer mid being mid all the time , rhen yes 100% in a deep deep draft do we need our pick

I don’t care about portlands pick. We don’t keep it if it’s 1-14th pick. If it’s after 15-30 than we do. If you can package that with Zach to get him out. By all means do it. I don’t think that you should purposely tank but I don’t think this team has an identity yet. We just have a bunch of young guys who really don’t have the experience of what it takes to when a chip yet. I don’t see them winning many games so I think the odds of us getting a high pick is very good.

Nope 100 percent agree ma boi besides it's not even that bad of a roster tanking is never the way to go if they play bad they play bad but honestly this is like a low 30 win team kinda similar in my opinion to the Utah jazz last szn

Top priority this season, we need this pick and we need to have a fair shot on landing Cooper.

It’s just absurd that the Bulls are still paying for acquiring Demar, four years ago. I’m sure they hoped these draft picks would be late first rounders. But that’s why when it was clear that the roster wasn’t working, they HAD TO get value for those players, preferably first round picks. But then they opted for continuity and a playoff run that was doomed to fail, even if they made it out of the play in. It’s just been a colossal failure. You’re right, these guys should have a chance to compete. I’m just nauseated with the thought of letting the same clowns rebuild the roster

This draft is too stacked to let that pick go

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The good thing is based on the amount of talent and the current situation (we likely won't be in the playoffs) we will be happy anyway and enjoy some fun bulls basketball

Have a great vacation man spend time with you're family you deserve it. I don't expect much from the Bulls again this season anyway LOL

If they play like the 2003/2004 Bulls then I won't even think about the 2025 pick.

I don't understand being against tanking. Best way to get young talent is through the draft. Best way to do that is to suck. Best way to do that is blow it the fuck up. Bulls are not in a position to make any sort of big move or anything anytime in the future, so we should bottom out in a year that's a consensusly panned as a good year to bottom out.

Crazy talk in my opinion, but I see where you're coming from. I think they should keep their pick no matter what because even landing in the top 10 next year is worth it. 2025 is a super deep draft. Flagg is the prize, no doubt, but there's other players with great potential next year.

Enjoy the vacation man. Bulls going in a fresh new direction

I couldn’t have said it better! It’s exactly what I think as well

The Bulls need to the top 5 pick. You can't continue to be stuck in the play-in tournament. They need work on developing young players and will therefore tank.

If Zach wants out of Chicago, take a pay cut, or play up to the contract you signed, so there is a market for you. Vuch has a reasonable deal and can be an expiring contract piece next year. 2925 is a very deep draft and we need to add picks, not ship them off, so totally disagree with you.

I don’t believe the Bulls are winning more than 35 games at very best. They should aim to win as much as they can but as soon as they get too close to 30 games they should start to slow down.

We cant lose that pick. Im all for competing and not cheating the game, but they must follow through with what they have already started. It will be tough for White and Ayo who have already suffered through many losses, but gotta play youngsters a ton and that alone should be enough to keep that pick. It's a tear-down to build up. Look at Bulls history, success has only come through the draft. We cant afford to not keep that pick. If somehow they just start whooping teams with no Dd, Lavine, Vooch and Caruso then let them run, but that is far-fetched.

Completely incorrect. Jalen Smith Matas Buzelis Cooper Flagg Coby White Josh Giddey If you have early 2010s Warriors luck and all 5 live up or surpass their potential…you have a championship contender right there within 5 seasons.

Good thing he’s not covering the bears! Ryan pole would have been furious with this take! 😂

I feel like the Bulls are reverting back to the Gar/Pax era in some ways.

I personally feel like we have enough YOUNG TALENT! Tanking and creating a losing culture is not what the fans came to see. It always backfires!!

You don’t have to try to tank You just give young guys minutes and if you win that’s fine if you don’t you develop them

Just gonna say you're wrong. The '25 draft looks to be much deeper than '24.

I must ask why do you still feel like Lavine will be moved at this point? Theres not many team with cap space or anything? Are there any teams you’re personally keeping an eye on cause I just don’t see it right now?

I believe this season’s bulls team will not need to intentionally lose, it will happen pretty organically. For the simple fact that they’re a young team where many of the key players have not played together, they will be forced into roles they’re not accustomed to, plus there isn’t a quality veteran presence on the team to keep them mentally and emotionally focused when losing does occur. And I don’t think Donovan will be that type of coach that would right the ship, or at least he hasn’t shown he is. And considering the Bulls really don’t have a lot of future draft capital (and it doesn’t seem as though they are interested in obtaining any) it would be to their best interest to take advantage of the 2025 first round pick they own in the top 10. I mean what does it benefit to gain a 9th seed just to lose in the play-in…again.

I 100% disagree with this take. I do not believe they should focus on winning game to develop young players. A good for an office knows how to bring in players that has value and being able to trade on that value to make the franchise more valuable. Similar to how OKC set up there franchise for years to come

My question about the pick is: if they get a potential all-star what are the odds they DONT trade him away prematurely?

When you look at where we are, I think its a risk worth taking.

I’m kind of leaning towards wanting them to tank. We have good young players in Coby, Ayo, Giddey, Pat, and hopefully Matas but the roster is still not constructed good enough to win. They’re obviously not making the playoffs and as for the play-in tournament there’s a possibility but this draft class is too good to pass up on. Id much rather lose and get someone like Flagg or Bailey than “win” and lose in the play-in tournament. When you have a chance to get a guy like Cooper Flagg on your team who is a generational talent you have to take it.

Bulls management will make the wrong choice

I think it depends how the season goes. This team as constructed could weirdly do better than last year. Addition by subtraction type situation. If that happens the bulls are going to want to see how far they can go. And at the end of the day players want to win they dont like tanking. However, if the bulls are looking at the same pace or worse than last year i could see them purposely looking at standings to make sure they keep the pick which at that point wouldnt be a bad idea. As long as you draft and develop correctly, being a young team isnt a negative anymore. Especially at this point in the sport where the tides are shifting from old to young. I dont think gunning for "proven" stars or vets is the best move either. A vet wouldnt hurt just for the leadership and experience but i think the core should be young guys because thats the market of the league right now the ogs arent getting it done its mostly the 5-10 year guys. Plus with players like ant, morant coming back its a young mans game. To remain competitive we need a talented young core with rebounding and hard nosed defense. If i was running the bulls i would hold off on trading lavine let him build value this year because he deserves that he shouldnt be traded for scraps thats ridiculous especially after how the demar trade went. The caruso trade i think the bulls actually won. I think the bulls will be a way better situational fit for giddey.

I'm ok tanking this year for what is in the draft. Hopefully we are fun bad

I don't know about what's ahead for next yr. Folks slept on Coby last season and he showed the NBA his true colors. I believe he has another level to reach. And Ayo is Mr Serious. He's so focused. I expect Ayo to be a duel threat. And then there's Dalen Terry. I'm not saying his game is as smooth as watching a ballerina dance, but I think he's about to have a breakout yr. Some players just want it more. Dalen's that type of player. And Jalen Smith. Are we going to overlook this kid who was drafted in P. Will's draft class only 6 picks later? He's been stuck behind 1st draft pick D'Andre Ayton, and Indy's Myles Turner. Jalen Smith can ball. What about the rook? Matas Buzelis looks like a bona-fide star in the making. How does he fit into the rotation. Then there's Josh Giddey. He's a jump shot away from becoming an All Star. How does it work when Coby, Ayo, Josh, Lonzo, and Zach all need the ball in their hands to be effective playmakers/scorers? Does Chris Durate, and Ornlap Bitum see PT next season? The problem I see with next yrs roster is mixing the old with the new. Hopefully, Vooch, Zach, Lonzo, and Torry Craig will fit in as their roles change from starting level talents to borderline bench players.

I mostly agree, of course people in the chat aren't open minded at all. Quickly addressing the chat, how has tanking faired the Pistons? There is no guarantee we'll get to Cooper Flagg, hell there's no guarantee we could get Ace Bailey. I want to win, and I don't think Ayo and Coby have superstar potential, but I don't think we should be looking to develop a losing mentality. They need to try to win every night, fuck the pick, these are the cards AKME has dealt themselves, it'll suck to miss out on a good draft, but at least we'll know this younger squad is making strides!

All of y’all are so dependent on this pick. What if we were to tank and keep it, and the person we drafted turns out to be a bust or not live up to their potential? Then what? Not to also mention the fact that if you’re a real bulls fan, yall would know that we haven’t been good drafting players for YEARS. The best player we’ve drafted so far has been Coby. And how long ago that was?? Like come on bruh be real

giddy white pwill smith vuc with ayo, matas, phillips off the bench. the starters will be awful defensively. giddy and vuc can’t shoot or defend. the bench is not deep their is no leadership at the end of games they still don’t have size or shot blockers. the bulls could easily be a bottom 5 team in the NBA.

Calling it now… Flagg is going to the nets.

I'm fine with the Bulls building around their young talent.

Agree keeping pick is nothing to try and do further but Mem will be better, Atl will try to win as SA owns their pick next yr. that alone will put you 10th or 9th from bottom in league record wise.

The Bulls need to look at all the 2025 mock drafts that they can. They will likely fall into the 6-14 range, more likely 9-12. What players fall into these ranges and who doesn't? Statistically, Flagg is not enough reason to ethically tank bad enough to end up in the top 4. And do they see a highly desired player or 2 ranked at pick 11 or worse? They're unlikely to get a top 5 pick where the true elite players reside. I would look at picks 7 and worse and see if you can be satisfied with a particular player and act upon that. It appears the Bulls have already entered into a tank, and would like to get someone in the 5-10 mocked range. Some great players there.

I wanna see them go for Cooper Flagg

I agree. Play to win. We be in the playoffs.

The issue is that outside of Pat, i dont think the bulls have any other starting caliber NBA players on this roster. And pat, at best, is a #3 on a championship team when he hits his prime in 4 years. thus, this is one of the worst teams in the NBA. Coby, Ayo, Phillips and Smith would be great back ups. Ayo or phillips might be a decent 5th starter (ayo today and phillips maybe in a year or 2) Coby is an elite 6th man. Everyone else gotta go - i have zero faith in the slow, short armed euros type players AK loves (giddy, vuc, matas, etc) those guys dont win in todays NBA (or any NBA for that matter) This team is so much worse than you think. they are 1 coby white sprained ankle away from losing 15 games in a row.

Just a bad take. For a team as young as were gonna be we need that pick in a draft thats set up to be really stacked. Rather thats cooper flagg or khaman bulauch. Ace bailey, vj edgecomb? Not prioritizing that pick is such a mistake. Competing for a play in spot is a waste of time

I didnt even watch vid yet but no way in hell we winning more than 30 games. So we will keep our top 10pick.

Still having Zo is a make or break for how good we can really be

I think the best route for us is to play to compete and get the young guys experience and good development. If we are close to having high odds to land a top 10 pick and we are 5 losses from that, lose those games to get a top 10 pick

In a rebuild, it totally should be

Can’t wait to see summer league if matis is as good as I think he is we are going to win summer league he win mvp than roty

One of the OG's

If it were another franchise, yes playing well would attract free agents. But we’re talking about the Bulls… No superstar wants to come here (unless it’s to collect one last paycheck past their prime). This team has to prioritize the draft because lucking into a good player is the only way they ever improve.

Hey man, I live in Hawaii! What Island are you visiting?

Enjoy that trip!

@BullsCentral Can I get a Chicago Bears Channel PLEASE. This Bulls situation is depressing… Chicago Ball Clubs (Bears, Bulls, Sox 💪🏽 Cubs 😑 Sky and Blackhawks) are an outlet on what’s going on within the city and the country. It’s the one thing that brings everyone together. These Bulls ain’t it lol

If we play all the young guys all year we be fine bro this draft is so good we must keep the pick I’m sorry but a top 5 pick could be enough to speed up this rebuild there is serious talent in this crop

If you trade this pick just to be mid, with the mid team we have with no true stars then we’ll be stuck in this purgatory forever, better tank for the highest pick possible this year

Well too bad. We are bad in defence. And we are Cap cautious Team And we have BD still as head coach. We already involuntarily tanking like it or not. There you go.

All is hear is “is a very deep draft “ I just want Lavine/vooch traded and fully embrace the youth movement….if they win cool if not a good chance to get a great pick ….no one wants to see this team lose on purpose and still not get the no 1 pick

You can tell man the Chicago Bulls management they don't know what they're doing we gave up two first round picks to get DeRosa from san antonio and we only got a player we never heard and 2 second round picks , we got nothing really when we gave away Lauri Markkanen to Cleveland and now utah is asking 2 first round picks 2 Yung good players from the warriors is that crazy or what chicago Bull are burns need to get a new management 😡😡😡

It’s gonna be an insane class they need to tank for cooper Flagg bro

you guys don’t realize that tanking isn’t effective anymore which was proven by detroit literally breaking records for losing doesn’t even get the number one pick anymore

Cooper Flagg next year👀👀

Every win shows growth and every L closer to Flagg and others. Win-Win with young talent. If they were winning a few more games because of older vets that is not the best for the future. But if the Bulls are the 10 seed because White goes nuclear or Giddey is a triple double machine that is great.

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our starting lineup would have giddy at PG and vuc at center. so our PG cant shoot or defend and our center can’t block shots, run pick and lobs or switch on defense. that’s prob the worst center and PG combo in the NBA. our wings (pat, ayo, white, phillips, terry and matas) arnt good enough to make up for our awful PG and Center. if Shai and Wemby are the ideal PG & Big how bad are giddy and vuc comparatively?

Exactly. Developing this young core should be number one priority. See where they are at the all star break and tank in the last stretch if need be. Tanking at the start of an 82 game season is ludicrous for a roster of guys looking to compete. Even if they tank and get a high pick, if they don’t get Flagg there is always a chance the pick could bust. Then they would have spent an entire year with a losing mentality on a roster that already has some promising healthy contributors.

Off topic... The USA basketball team should be decided in a tournament of the last several NBA Finals Champions. Then they can compete to be the World Champions. We always send the best players, but do we ever send the best team? USA have a lot of competition in this Imagine watching the first team do that! USA! Although, it could incentivize teams to not bring in outside US talent which would be a dumb move, but who knows. Shoot, I thought I had a good idea there.

You think we'd learn anything from last season guessing teams that would be worse than the bulls. Good luck

Dont keep your pick on one of the most exciting draft of the last ten years...disaster class on that take mate

I mean this should be tagged as hyperbole this kght go wrong this might go right a lot of this is just luck and hope. The bulls are not different from any other team Matter fact you can say the lakers are worse off then the bulls lebron has that team on standbys when they should rebuild most def. This might be the greatest thing that has happened to the bulls …. In the end we simply pulling straws at a future ….what I do know for sure Patrick Williams finally has a chance to be featured in the offense let’s see what bro can do lol

"yeah hes not a shooter" no hes not a scorer lol

Truth

TANK!

dont worry itll be top 10

I disagree with you on this You still my guy but i can’t co-sign you on this one

Thats why Bulls need to do a full rebuild and trade Coby White while his value is high

Here!

Have fun in Hawaii!!!

If the Bulls win at least 20 games next year, the season will be a failure. Period lol.

Disagree with you, we need this pick

If AKME have learned from their mistakes, they will not simply prioritize building around a core or Coby White, Giddey, Ayo and Pat but rather, they should leverage the value each have developed to secure a haul in exchange for them. Look what Brooklyn did by trading Mikal Bridges to New York. They held onto him until it made sense for them to move on from him. The 2025 draft is loaded and the 2026 draft class looks nice. Im sorry that i disagree with the "Lets compete" philosophy when we dont have a team that is capable of winning... We've done the same thing, year after year, kicking the can, playing well enough to secure a mid lottery pick year after year. We need more bites from the apple. This plan to compete is going to ensure mediocrity for year to come. Look at EVERY other team that is competing for a chip right now. They all sucked before they became what they are today. Tatum and Brown drafted back to back years etc... I'm a fan of developing players and creating a winning culture too but the bottom line is that SUPERSTARS win championships and we dont even have POTENTIAL superstars on our roster right now outside of our recent DRAFTEE! You can't BUILD a house on a crap foundation. You have to tear it fown to the ground to build something that is structurally sound. There are A LOT of POTENTIAL SUPERSTARs in the next two drafts!

i completely disagree

My guy our team was deebo and it’s pretty much for 3 years stop being delusional I think we gone win 20 games

Cooper flag

This is a miserable take 😂

They don’t have a choice, the roster is ass, they will have a butthurt Zach for the second year in a row, and Jerry has never willingly paid the tax. That equals a lottery pick, looking like top 4

The hawks will make the playoffs this year. They are an extremely average team. And they got lucky and added the #1 pick. I think they will win about 45 games this year.