After Brian_f had to explain like 7 times to his chat how to *qualify* through CPT I knew Capcom Cup was gonna be wet and wild this year lol

i swear to god groups F and G were designed specifically for the youtube thumbnail. that is the perfect aspect ratio for you to, like, draw a big red circle, maybe have an arrow pointing to it with a caption like *HUH*, and still have enough space to dodge the timestamp in the corner

Me pretending I care about groups when am gonna pass out and wake up while it's over already. Then suddenly see a capcom cup final Sajam video in my feed, taking my shirt off and Spinning it around in celebration of the winner.

Mena actually qualified through US East, so technically him and Caba qualified from different regions

Having a "group of death" like Group F is almost always really fun, at least in live sports. Think it's cool to have in a FG tourney, though the way they ran the whole thing is... Impossible to understand.

This thumbnail LMAOOOOO

So you say they can't just seed Japan (or US East or whatever) on top by fiat, and I agree. But it does seem worth the time to run any amount of swiss draw to get a rough seeding. Or, going forward, you could even say "regions are seeded based on how their top performer did in the last cycle" - really emphasize that you're representing your region more broadly in the competition. This would be pretty imprecise and high variance but the current system is a literal lottery, so it would still clear that bar.

This reminds me of how the LoL world tournament feels alot of the time. You start to question what is the purpose, what is up with the format and why do they keep saying to uphold competetive integrity, when you look at the Last Chance Qualifier, which feels far more stacked then the capcom cup. :(

i didnt even know that mena almost didnt make it until brain_f made a video, it really feels like all i knew about this years cpt was that angrybird made it in and that the grand prize is 1 million

maybe they need a complementary series of events that is totally open and has no regional limits.

I only watch capcom cup to hear Sajam, see tasty Steve rip arms off, catch the glare off vicious, and watch yipes in real time translate his jokes and statements to a pg13 format.

capcom should give the million dollars to me to make up for the harm their confusing tournament format has caused me, the viewer

Honestly, the "no annoucement" thing, while dissapointing, is not surprising given Ed was just shown off and will release soon. It would've probably been better to hold off on that until Capcom Cup if they had nothing else to show off, but it is what it is Outside of that, yeah, the handling of Capcom Cup this season has been very questionable all around and is overall a mess

This is a really great dissection & explanation of why it's being done this way. There's been a lot of commentary and discourse online about the results of the lottery, but I think understanding the intent of the design is an important piece of the puzzle. Not that we shouldn't be discussing and giving feedback as a community - totally the opposite, and understanding the moving parts as you've broken them down here is how we make that feedback more productive and actionable for next year.

I like the mitigation for needing to travel, I hope next year they do some half and half, maybe have half the slots go to regional qualifiers, and half the slots be done on points, and it'd be kinda messy but you could attribute regional qualifiers to middle seeds.

just call it Capcom World Cup... i mean in football world cup, teams that are supposed to be called "trash" are qualifying just because they have a way easier qualifier route compared to lets say EU.

This thumbnail is a work of art. Great job, Moste

I definitely understand the wtf of group f and a bunch of the top players not qualifying. I guess they will reveal content at EVO but CCX is your very own tourney so why not something there also? It is quite strange. You especially want to be straightforward with what you want to do when your giving away big money like this. I do get the online aspect due to logistics and folks being able to make it out to tourneys around he world. Its weird how this is shaping out no doubt.

The best part is how it's marketed as a celebration of the players and half the matches for the event fall on weekdays with the two largest fanbases either going to be middle of the night or middle of the work day for them lol

They should have held the Ed announcement until Capcom Cup, then dropped the trailer on finals day with a big "RELEASING IN TWO DAYS" at the end of it. People love a "releasing within a week of the reveal" announcement.

This looks like Football (Soccer) World Cup, sometimes great teams don't qualified because of theirs region. But it maintains interest world wide because maybe your national team can qualify next time while you watch a great competition. Every format has its pros and cons.

The whole thing was confusing to me. Like I saw that the WW stuff seemed to be a league format and was hype that Endingwalker was top, but then it turns out that the top X players of the WW then entered a tournament to see who actually won it...... What?

I do still think that they are gonna show a teaser for akuma, they said that it wont be any new gameplay but teasers so far have been world tour cutscenes, hoping that at the very least we get that.

Damn, this is upsetting to me... No news on top of putting the DR players with Angrybird feels so dirty man (I'm Dominican so I'm always team Bandits, but I also love Angrybird). I'll still be watching but it feels so punishing to both players and spectators

Not having Moke, Punk, Kekeru is disastreous. Instead of a most watch, they've turn the event into a casual watch. They will regret once they look at the numbers. And I hope some organizers get fired. I really do.

needs to change to 6offline premiers, keep WW events, change online premieres to allow anyone to fly to any region, and all the premieres top16 give points for a leaderboard. most of the qualifiers should be from the leaderboard, small amount would be from WW events

There has been 0 build up to capcom cup since theres no quals from premier tourneys. I understand their want to allow online players from unknown regions to get in but there has to be a better ratio than 44 online qualifying players and 4 offline (including LCQ.) Thats not even 10% getting in from offline events which are the only way to get in that isnt region locked if you have the means to travel

5:40 damn this looks fucking insane

The no update news really kills me. I get not wanting to update at NRS speed and screwing up competition, but when the only new things are new characters and I'm not excited for the character this season of the year I don't have a lot of desire to jump back into SF6. When Strive releases a new character there's almost always an interesting patch along with it so even if i don't want to play Elphelt I still got some stuff to screw around with playing against my friends who do wanna play Elphelt. Hell I'd even be willing to live with patches every half year if they released costumes for the actual characters that aren't overpriced as hell

Huh that's a pretty interesting perspective. I think of the online events as allowing players without sponsors to have a chance, but it also makes sponsors have a harder time justifying sponsorships

Seems just like the World Cup draw tbh.

Its been said before but it bears repeating: Its pretty funny that as the amount of prize money goes up in esports in general, then less and less those esports concern themselves with actually finding and rewarding the best player(s). Who could have predicted this? Oh that's right. Everyone predicted this.

If they go back to the old format only sponsored pro could get in. With this format random joes also have a chance

I pay respects to F

they could’ve done multiple lottery rolls and then picked one instead of just sticking to the one. Or like let us pick between them, but I know they’d never let us do that

Julio Fuentes took out so many Japanese God Like Players in the LCQ!!!

I know this was from a few days ago (before the lcq even started), but seeing how the capcup brackets turned out got me way less excited for capcup itself. The lcq has been pretty hype at least. I can't remember the last time I watched so much of a live event. And even as someone who doesn't like sf6 that much, I'm having a good time. Unless tokido wins the lcq, I'll probably skip most of capcup til top 4 or something.

Japan should have way more reps lets be real. Take half of those names that are in cc and they would not break into top 16 and most Na/eu/jp heavy events.. I get they want global reps but at the same time cc should be about the best of the best on the big stage for the biggest $

They called it the group of death because everyone in it lost

It's so lame. I want to see the best players fighting it out, not some blatent marketing ploy to diversify audience engagement in untapped markets.

man, that LQC..... Why was Japan made to suffer this year?

I'm fine with no new content. I feel like the last person on earth who prefers slow updates. I like this game and don't want it ruined because people who refuse to adapt to drive rush want knee jerk "fixes".

I would prefer if they ran region locked online tournaments with the prize being free travel to an offline event of choice but made qualifications all offline. That way they can give people from poor regions the chance to travel and qualify.

What’s confusing?

Capcom sure worked hard to make the result be as RANDOM as possible. The only thing they could have done to make it worse would be to run it single elimination. With double elimination at least one good player will be in Grand finals even though his opponent will probably be some random dude.

Chances are, the format is probably going to be the same for next year.

Scuffed groups, LCQ filled with killers that should have been in the main tournament to begin with, no announcements. Zzzzzz...

Im really surprised they couldn't just do regular seeding like any other event would

I can understand the idea of the event being confusing but idk I don't really have a problem with the grouping, it sucks that region members are put against eachother but these are competitors, they're prepared for that.

While I do understand the issues with having several top players in a group where a lot will be eliminated before finals. There is another side of this that should be considered, which is we don't want the top 8 to be consistently the same players. While having particularly strong players in top 4 is exciting. If you see the same top 4 eight times, it can start to get boring. I say this from experience, since I was in a scene where the top 4 was consistent for 3 years (roughly, minor variance here and there depending on who attended).

Kakeru is out of form, he got spoiled by winning 400k$ and gives less and less f's

Ga min, g

The purpose of Capcom Cup is to convince someone who lives in the middle of nowhere, that if they buy SF6 they can win a $1 million.

It’s actual insanity that they’re saying they aren’t going to drop an Akuma trailer at Capcom Cup…

I just love that this is making guys like Punk seethe 😂

capcom cup is such a fucking joke this year

capcom cup this year is awful.. they need to go back to point system. its unreal they are making all regions equal when all regions are not equal. this is just terrible

Random is the only real way to be fair. If you watch tennis, you'll understand that no matter how skilled a young player is, they'll never win a major because they'll have to beat 5 seeded players back to back. I say fuck 'em. Give everyone the same chance for an easy run to the final.

It's probably a combination of factors why Capcom doesn't make announcement at Capcom Cup anymore: 1. It's not ideal to make announcements on a late Sunday night. They also don't get to promote Ed throughout the Capcom week. 2. Devs don't want to commit to releasing major content right after Capcom Cup instead of releasing it when they are ready 3. Capcom Cup doesn't really get them more views than just making announcements on their social media. 4. It's hard to keep the reveal a secret and leaks happen every year. As far as sponsors go, Capcom can directly work with them through SFL instead of spending a ton of money to stream at offline events but only limited to stream ads. Capcom has also clearly been limiting the budget for the offline events they have. I think we will see more offline events next season but I don't think it will even go back to how it was in 2019 but maybe more closer to what CPT 2020 would have been, I guess we will find out this Sunday.

There’s no doubt that the seeding should be done better. I’ve run a few options and a weighted ranking from the offline events, LCQ, and previous Capcom Cup actually works pretty well. The main problem with offline events is they are expensive. I think “open online” events where people can travel to a country and then compete online if they choose to is an interesting middle ground.

It's not confusing as much as it is just stupid and bad

ngl i kinda feel the opposite, i find it kinda boring with every offline event being the same cast of 30 or so rotating players who are able to fly around and compete vs all the online events being a whole ton of fresh faces and new talent

So who called a no name unsponsored player from a minor region winning? Oh none of you streamer content farmers did? Oh group F didn't even make it? Weird....... Weird..... I guess nobody in group F was the best in the world......

Hot take, the qualified players should vote on the seeding. If an individual player tries to game the system with his voting so be it, it would be part of the drama. But you'd probably get a rough and ready useable seeding.

How should it be then? Should it be a human being going "ok let's make sure that no one from anyone from the same team is in the same group, let's make sure all the Japanese pros are ever together, and oh let's make sure the popular names have easier groups". So we're really saying that we have all these human-made subjective rules in place to um, "protect" the good players and try to guarantee them moving up? Is that what we're saying? Oh let's seed MenaRD is a group with the no-names, so he'll make it out of there for sure. And let's do that for Daigo because everyone wants to see him. And make sure we see the same people, year after year over and over like the Tekken scene. That's what we want right?

It's not exactly the same but it reminds of when Magic The Gathering tried to increase "diversity" at tournaments. Not joking they wanted to increase the number of women and lgbtq we see in the top 8, presumably because too many cis white males were winning. 😂 The only way to do that is to "seed" by identity. They tried to do a mix of pros and a mix of invitations, so some people and streamers had literal free rides to top 16 just because of their gender or race. Anyway it was such a massive failure and they received so much blowback they had to scrap the idea altogether. They also had a MPL program where WotC was literally offering a full salary to the top 32 in the world. But it turned into Twitter cliques that were trying to gatekeep everyone else from top 32, idk it was weird and creepy. :)

EVO is all that matters lmao. I do hope snake eyez or Menard take it.

I really like that i can see random people from all the world have some chance and not the same 4 guys that got lucky once and now try to gatekeep other people from wining something

I always hated old system. By design it punished less popular regions and non-profesional/non-sponsored players. If Avarage Joe wins Cup X, whole pro-scene will have meltdown becose how privilaged they were across the years. All players had chance to qualify and to say that they didn't deserve to qualify despite they winning respective region is hurtfull and kinda ashole? Big middle finger for people like Punk who descripe non-pro players as "filllers". Glad he got outed in LCQ

Last evo champion ? Not from Japan Last capcup champion? Not from Japan Last evo japan champion? Not from japan Last 2 Capcup LCQ champions ? Not from japan

Im going to laugh when mena and angrybird both get knocked out in pools. There is so much disrespectful shit talk about everyone who isnt us east region or an evo winner. Jabhim could beat anyone in this bracket. Rainpro could beat anyone in this bracket. Snake could beat anyone in this bracket. Valmaster and gachikun. Dookie, nuckledu, and mister crimson. Big bird is in there. Etc. like what are you streamers even saying?

You can't have 20 people in a region be the best no matter how much the twitch and twitter warriors cry. The 10th strongest guy in Japan or us east DOESNT DESERVE TO BE HERE. He isn't beating jabhim or rainpro or dookie. The 7th strongest US east player still loses to the top 2 guys from France. Nut up and deal with it. The level of comp between regions does not vary that much. This game is not that complex that people in Africa dont know about perfect parry.