The Carnivore Diet, Veganism & Nutrition Misinformation - with Dr. Alan Flanagan

The Carnivore Diet, Veganism & Nutrition Misinformation - with Dr. Alan Flanagan | The Proof EP 227

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In Episode 227, I sit down with Drew Harrisberg and Alan Flanagan, PhD to discuss the carnivore diet and veganism, assessing many of the popular claims made by health and nutrition “influencers”.
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In the current social media climate, it is crucial that we develop the skills necessary to analyse the validity of nutritional claims. During this week’s episode, The Proof welcomes two fan favourites to the show to cover a broad scope of topics in a well-rounded discussion, uncovering the reasoning behind a number of these claims and informing listeners on how to assess them.
Alan Flanagan, PhD is a researcher and science-based nutrition educator. He recently featured on the show in Episode 225, analysing the health implications of dairy consumption. Drew Harrisberg is exercise physiologist, sport scientist, and diabetes educator. Both guests bring extensive knowledge and an educational, research-backed lens to this conversation, placing public health at the forefront.
This episode is absolutely packed with information, offering you tools for assessing individual claims for validity and misinformation. We discuss Big Pharma, social media censorship, the carnivore diet, and vegan protein intake. We also zoom in on the ethics of veganism, spotting a legitimate academic, and why socioeconomic and environmental factors impact nutrition decisions.
Specifically, we cover:
0:00 Intro
7:40 Training Injuries
14:44 Climate Change
18:54 Misinformation & Liver King
30:25 Should Platforms Censor?
35:30 Mark Zuckerberg on Rogan
39:50 Paul Saladino & Trusting Science
50:14 Big Pharma/ Big Food
57:35 How to Communicate with Transparency, Asking the Right Questions
1:09:13 Danger of Bodybuilding
1:16:38 Socioeconomic Barriers to Healthy Living
1:32:39 Identifying with Diet
1:39:20 Vegan Protein Intake
1:57:53 Well-Planned Veganism
2:00:29 Habits of Social Media Quacks
2:16:00 Alan’s Diet
2:28:17 Canola oil in a healthy diet?
2:32:08 Seed Oil Debate Episode
2:36:33 Veganism & Ethics
3:00:22 Red Meat & Carnivore Diets
3:27:45 Meal Timing & TRE
3:39:07 Supplement Recommendations
3:41:46 Conclusion
As two scientists with a passion for education and public health, Alan Flanagan and Drew Harrisberg help bring incredibly important topics to light in this episode. I hope this conversation assists you in navigating the world of online nutrition information.
Connect with Drew:
• Instagram: / drews.daily.dose
• Website: drewsdailydose.com/
• Listen to his previous appearances on the show on your favourite podcast app.
Connect with Alan Flanagan, PhD:
• Instagram: / thenutritional_advocate
• Alinea Nutrition, an online nutritional education hub founded by Dr Flanagan: www.alineanutrition.com/
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Enjoy, friends.
Simon
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@MemoryAmethyst 6 ай бұрын

At around 1:26 you started talking about the reasons that the poor can’t eat well. I grew up dirt poor. Have you ever split a single wiener lengthwise and rolled it onto a piece of bread for a hotdog? I grew up thinking that was what everyone did. For Christmas I would get a whole box of ritz crackers all to myself! In spite of that degree of poverty, we always had soup if nothing else. It contained whatever was available. Mum called it “ cream of garbage soup” and put in any and all leftover vegetables or meats. It was always served with water to drink and a slice of bread. Kids don’t grow up in a vacuum. You can make healthier choices even at a food bank. Not perfect, mind you, just marginally healthier. The kids won’t eat it or like it? Poverty doesn’t allow for pickiness. You have two choices: eat it or go hungry. Kids aren’t stupid. Explain to them the situation and let them understand the problem. The idea that the impoverished can’t cook or be creative is usually wrong. I know. I lived it.

@LaurieAnnCurry 5 ай бұрын

This!

@pmason3418 Жыл бұрын

Hello, with regard to the clip you played of Paul Saladino. Why not just have him on a podcast and discuss your points of view. I'd like to see and hear that. Respectfully.

@humanoid8344 4 ай бұрын

Paul doesn't debate people who he knows would beat him In a debate, despite his claim that he can't find anyone who wants to debate him he has been offered debates by vegan many times

@MunchinYou-jy6km 4 ай бұрын

Simon won't give people who spead misinformation which are not backed by science a platform. That is actually commendable. @@humanoid8344

@rawmilkmike 3 ай бұрын

@@humanoid8344A vegan cannot win a debate on nutrition ethics or saving the planet. Veganism is a religion. It defies logic and requires blind faith. 1:20:58

@rawmilkmike 3 ай бұрын

@@humanoid8344A vegan can not win a debait on ethics, nutrition, or saving the planet. No creature was teeth, should be eating fruit. True herbivores eat grass, not vegetables. Plants contain close to and in some cases less than zero nutritional value. They require far too much transportation. And are extremely bad for the environment. Animal agriculture does not require farmland. Humans are carnivores. We don't need to eat plants. We are much happier and healthier when we don't. 1:21:10

@rawmilkmike 3 ай бұрын

If these guys were open for debate it wouldn't be so difficult to leave comments on the channel. A vegan can not win a debait on ethics, nutrition, or saving the planet. No creature was teeth, should be eating fruit. True herbivores eat grass, not vegetables. Plants contain close to and in some cases less than zero nutritional value. They require far too much transportation. And are extremely bad for the environment. Animal agriculture does not require farmland. Humans are carnivores. We don't need to eat plants. We are much happier and healthier when we don't. 1:21:10

@fidgetinbed1 Жыл бұрын

My nan lived to 86 eating meat and veg and my partners grandad lived to 96 just walking and eating meat and veg (mostly frozen) It seems these days that all food is harmful in some way. Kind of sick of it. I just want to eat.

@MikeCastelonia Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill There's so much we don't know. If the data was the crystal ball. The western part of world wouldn't be 70 % on atlases on one medication or drug. God designed is more complicated than data. Infinite possibilities. Other factors at play.

@annettestephens5337 2 ай бұрын

These guys are all agreeing with each other. I’d like to see them have a discussion with Dr Zoe Harcombe

@charlesmyers2255 10 ай бұрын

Wow…I’ve been searching/waiting for a podcast like this for so long! Just to hear a reasoned, expert take on carnivore, keto, veganism etc - and to hear from you guys that you were “that guy” regurgitating stuff from keto blogs etc was really reassuring and healing to my bruised ego (I was also “that guy” until recently. I’ve struggled to find the true way forward between your mate Saladino and those on the “other side” like Tim Spector (and yes, I realise now that they are not experts of equal standing!). This is the true damage of the “follow the science” stuff spouted by the government during COVID - they’ve sowed so much skepticism about “mainstream” science that I now find it very difficult to trust mainstream sources. Thanks for going through all of that in a non-judgemental and rigorous way.

@felipearbustopotd Жыл бұрын

I strongly believe whichever camp we reside in, we should be bashing those that produce adulterated food like substances and not those that are either in the carnivore or WFPB camp. Rise above this kind of talk and stick to the positive sides of WFPB.

@billnortje7319 3 ай бұрын

@Scotty-BK Жыл бұрын

Yay, it's back! I was 40 minutes in and then it disappeared. Simon, it would be great to hear from some Physios on your podcast too. I work in the field and would love to you and others talk about injury/ nutrition. Apologies if I missed a podcast on that subject and thanks for all you do!

@cadupradoo Жыл бұрын

I'll briefly tell my story regargind morals. Me and the wife started wfpb due to health and environmental too, although not as educated at the time as Alan is. Our daughter was 5 months old. However, my wife and I had studied a lot regarding the benefits of breast milk and the connection that exists between mom and baby. That was incredible to study and even more incredible to see happening between them. I'm sure parents here can relate to that. Unfortunately, my wife had a condition on her breast that would make feeding our baby very painful. For weeks. She persevered because of the importance we had learned, but the help we were seeking in between wasn't able to understand what was it. Candidae, bad catch, tongue issues, you name it. All were discarded. We tried laser, but that would solve only for that day. After a few months, with such sore nipples she finally found, searching articles online, a condition that would match all symptoms. Raynaud's Syndrom. The pediatritian later agreed to that and turned back to University to see the treatment she didn't even know. After all that, and seeing the relationship that grows since pregnancy between a mom and her baby, the milk industry affects me more than any other. moral is not there.

@janettewechsler5790 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon, it's your podcast that's made me start to question the information I hear and be more discerning of who I choose to listen to. I love that your are science/evidence based and you only interview those who also show up with the evidence.

@Testeverything123 Жыл бұрын

So already they start with mocking. I’ve seen a interview with Paul Saladino and two well known vegans and this childish put downs were not present. I was recommended this channel because I honestly wanted to learn but you guys start out like that. Disappointed!

@paullemay3218 Жыл бұрын

Interesting conversation. Thank you for sharing. Enjoyed the long format. 💚🌱🇨🇦

@meatflake Жыл бұрын

This was the best conversation I’ve listened to in a long time.

@timmat8029 Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@janmartin7981 Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill à

@radek2490 7 ай бұрын

How is this a good discussion

@sallywolfe535 Жыл бұрын

Excellent in depth discussion from three outstanding intelligent educated reasonable speakers. Alan’s ethical ambivalence was valuable and worth hearing and considering - he’s definitely part of the solution. The breadth of knowledge of scientific literature with a seasoned perspective of how it is ignored and abused brings this forum to a high level of credibility.

@leahblackburn3872 Жыл бұрын

I loved this. So good. I haven't been following you for long (you appeared on my radar via the brain docs). I have definitely been missing out. Thank you.

@emilybarry9410 Жыл бұрын

GREAT discussion guys!!! I would love to hear more on the protein supplementation topic. Particularly, your thoughts on supplementing intra training session with a BCAAs vs. EAAs powder. And then also comparing both of those options with taking a plant-based protein powder after training. I began supplementing with a BCAA powder a few years ago, then through research learned that EAAs is more beneficial, so I switched to that. Recently, I have been considering adding in a plant-based protein in after training sessions. But, I haven't experimented with this yet, mainly due to digestion concerns. I do eat a mostly raw diet, full of fruits, veggies, sprouts, and FIBER! But, I am wondering if I am limiting my training/recovery abilities by being in the mid-range of protein intake per my body weight.

@limitisillusion7 11 ай бұрын

Of all things discussed in this video, the censorship is the most important. We *cannot* censor the communication of thoughts and ideas. Our profit motives prefer to divide thoughts and ideas into two opposing narratives because that's the most effective way to maximize ad revenue, interaction, and controversy. This has the side effect of removing the nuanced narratives that literally allow people to understand each other. Remove understanding, and you encourage division and radicalism. Our speech is even more fundamental than our diet. The reason this is true is because the way war communicate determines what foods we eat. The algorithms on KZfaq push this vegan vs carnivore debate because those are the two extremes that bring in the most ad revenue. Meanwhile, the nuance in this video gets tamped down and a mood reasonable Mediterranean or DASH diet gets no attention. In short, we basically have no idea how to use our technology, yet we think we are using it well. None of the division was a problem before TV/radio/internet, because our communication wasn't being manipulated for profit motives. It's quite simple actually, we are abusing our technology like a child would abuse unrestricted access to a candy store.

@KevinGonzalez-xq9xu Жыл бұрын

This one was phenomenal! Loved the variety of subjects and the good faith conversation. For the ethical segment, I recommend he looks into the phycological effects on cows being separated from their calves for the yogurt and the cognitive abilities or pain of fish versus the very thing that you value in your own life in the context of cooking and eating. It's that whole feeling and suffering that the animal goes through for the minor inconvenience of a slightly different flavor or routine (which is even less for someone like you who enjoys plant based foods and is 80% there). I know you mentioned that suffering is a concept a bit difficult to grasp in value but it almost seems like you say such things while acting others, for example the very fact that you try to help out by spreading information or taking an environmental stance or even being passionate about the things you care about. Almost seems like a selective nihilism. Like you said philosophy is much more complex and nothing I can say in this comment would be enough to flesh out the entire thought but hopefully this is a new angle to tackle the same question from. Either way, amazing podcast with the nuanced analysis, laughs, sarcasm, and knowledge. Great job by all three of you. Big fan

@KevinGonzalez-xq9xu Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill it was super fun to watch as well and I think you guys did a great job. Don't take this as a critique of the approach you guys did. I was hoping to offer a slightly different lense for Alan to start looking at because even though he intellectually may have not made a connection, his behavior does reflect something different. There may also be an angle of even if it doesn't mean anything in his eyes it is still a behavior or belief worth adopting just as an effort to create meaning and value for our fellow humans and other animals.

@KevinGonzalez-xq9xu Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill a philosophy specialist would be fun to have but those conversations can get very confusing quickly so it may take more than an episode to build up the foundation and background and then get to higher order conclusions like veganism. Similar to throwing someone with no science background into reading their first nutrition study, there is going to be a lot of questions or premature conclusions. This is just something I've noticed when philosophers try to communicate with the public but if anyone can find a way to break that down, I'm sure you'd be one of them! Cheers Friend

@msp13462 Жыл бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed that segment as well. Those are difficult but necessary conversations to have at times and all three remained respectful throughout. I, like Alan, reflect on the meaning of life and my purpose. While I also don't know what my purpose IS, I know what it IS NOT (causing unnecessary harm to others). This process of elimination helped me to make that connection that many have.

@knittingknut 9 ай бұрын

How do you justify all the animal deaths that occur in order to grow and protect protect crops? Animals are drowned in rice fields, their burrows ploughed up, they are driven out of their habitats, they are baited with poisons, trapped and hounded to death. There is no food without exploiting or harming animals. The people who go vegan because they want to be compassionate towards animals are simply deluding themselves.

@jacquelinedella-santa2451 Жыл бұрын

fantastic interview, thank you, 3 awesome guys

@tryptamigo Жыл бұрын

downloading now. can’t wait to listen on my run.

@synspire2463 Жыл бұрын

Hands-down, one of the most profound episodes I’ve tuned into to date. A very necessary space for the leaders of this time to come together and have alot of necessary questions addressed. Thank you 🙏🏽

@TheLastOutlaw289 7 ай бұрын

Leaders…these guys aren’t leaders.

@justicericketts2912 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for continuing to put out amazing science based conversations.

@justicericketts2912 Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill always, you have helped me with making three family members healthy vegans from middle of the USA horribly unhealthy omnivores. Ready to crack open your book that came in days ago. Anyways thank you so much

@Dr_Doom14 Жыл бұрын

😂 science based

@radek2490 7 ай бұрын

There is nothing scientific about this discussion

@jackhiggs269 Жыл бұрын

I'm really glad you boys had the discussion on ethics with Alan. It was a respectful, honest, and critical conversation. However, to voice my thoughts, I would say that whilst vegan ethics can be debated philosophically, I would say veganism and animal rights is mostly based on logic and reason. Despite Alan saying that he had nihilisitc views and relativistic morals, I think he would agree on the fact that he is against causing unneccesary animal abuse. From there I would then question whether he thinks its possible to consume animal products without causing animal abuse. He may have his reasonings for or against that question at this point (as he did, in relation to anchovies, as an example) but by in large if he was exposed to footage of each of these industries and the ways all animals suffer immensely as a result (as he said he has seen), I believe Alan would arrive at the conclusion that its very unlikely to avoid animal abuse. And as a result of your discussion, Alan did conclude that his main justification for animal product consumption is predominantly taste pleasure and enjoyment. From here, I would ask him, does taste pleasure justify animal abuse when its unneccesary for him to continue to do so? Thats a personal choice of his to make, but considering taste pleasure is largely subjective and can easily adapt, I would hope he would agree that its morally unjustifiable. He also said that he would choose lab-produced animal products over animal-produced versions, if that becomes available in the future. Assuming this decision was made from a harm/suffering reduction standpoint, I would question that if he was in the animals position (being enslaved, tortured, abused and eventually murdered) would he want someone to stop oppressing/consuming him sometime in the future or would he want them to stop now? (Given he has the knowledge and capability to live vegan). I assume the answer would be now.

@Emanuelnx Жыл бұрын

I would love to see him talk with Earthling Ed or Joey Carbstrong

@jackhiggs269 Жыл бұрын

@@Emanuelnx For sure!

@alanflanagan3804 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughts. The lab produce comment was for environmental considerations, just to clarify. I do think it is possible to consume animals without the kind of abuse you’re referring to; not every company operates a system of inflicting abuse (i.e., some dairy producers have more transparent standards). Also to clarify the comment re: taste/enjoyment, that isn’t an isolated reason, as you say it is modifiable; it is the convergence of both the perspective on suffering/abuse with the personal enjoyment.

@jackhiggs269 Жыл бұрын

@@alanflanagan3804 Thanks for the clarification, I was aware that I was going on a few assumptions there. However, I would say that even if these industries were to be 100% abuse free (even though 90%+ are factory farmed), majority if not all these animals (including dairy cows, hens, etc.) are sent to be slaughtered when they're considered no longer profitable often at fraction of their natural lifespan. And if were talking eggs and dairy, I'm also interested as to what these 'abuse-free' industries do with their male calves and chicks. Most if not all are murdered because they dont produce milk or eggs. And I'm yet to see an example where what goes on inside a slaughterhouse as not being abusive. But let's say there is a way of killing animals 100% pain free, would you still say its justifiable to take the life away from an individual, if it was unnecessary to begin with? I mean if you were in their position, what would you want your oppressor to do? Kill and eat you? Or just eat something (not someone) else?

@alanflanagan3804 Жыл бұрын

@@jackhiggs269 This is why I tried to articulate the issues, at least I see it, of the "100% or 0%" type of absolutist framework, because there is basically nothing short of the 100% level that is acceptable otherwise. I guess my point it is not necessarily that 100% pain free has to be present, or that all food systems are the same. So the distinction that I made during the discussion was that, I can look at industrial beef production and decide that there is a net harm in that system that moves in favour of not buying meat. But I can't look at a mackerel and think that it has a competing interest that tips the needle in the same direction.

@limitisillusion7 11 ай бұрын

1:31:00 The socioeconomic barriers to health are real. However, the reversal of this issue starts with education. If part of that education is telling people how difficult it is to eat healthy, then you are reinforcing those vicious cycles of decaying health. This makes people into victims and discourages them from even getting started. Perception is everything here. Junk food worsens the lack of energy that people have from being overworked. Whereas, if people were to stick to a healthy diet for 6 months, they would re-establish a gut microbiome that turns the vicious cycles into benevolent cycles. So in this case, it's literally dangerous to tell people they can't help themselves do to socioeconomic factors. The hardest part is getting started, and it only gets easier from there... You get better at meal prepping, cooking, and your health improves. We cannot encourage the victim mentality. We must encourage people to exercise their free will. The food deserts are a problem that needs federal funding, and we need to educate people to vote for people that are willing to make it happen!

@33-6Green Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved this episode thank you 😊

@kiaranjay5153 Жыл бұрын

Reading the comments here before listening to the whole thing on Spotify later this week.. seems like there's some controversy, can't wait to find out why 😆 Looking forward to listening

@nathanielvasquez6774 Жыл бұрын

Great episode Simon! Thoroughly enjoyed this one. Would be interesting to see you do a pod with Nick Hiebert

@zhilahaghbin4766 11 ай бұрын

HI guys, I have to say love your casual friendship style , yet each one of you so giant in research data and interpretations, really enjoy listening to you. please do an in-depth coverage of osteopetrosis, when the screening is recommended , i.e should be recommended at what age [my doc told me , "the reason they don't do it before age 55 is because if one has osteoporosis, they don't want to treat it for such a long period of time with meds!!] esp, which test to monitor if there is improvement or not with treatment and other non conventional treatments, thanks

@megavegan5791 Жыл бұрын

The point raised at 1:10:00 is very true. Nothing will ever change that belief system. For these hardcore, anti-science, nutritional influencers, when they experience their predictable negative health outcomes, the default excuse will always be “it was genetics” or the years of SAD lifestyle before adopting their meat-centric diets. I’ve already seen examples of this on numerous occasions.

@toinehulsbosch6936 Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill 😮uuuuiiiijjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

@RobertWadlow292 Жыл бұрын

Or the excuse will be "it was because of the ONE time I ate french fries cooked in toxic seed oils" or some other nonsense with the word "seed oils" in it 😂

@Ian-io3yt Жыл бұрын

@@trentonharris7676 I guess there's no evidence that gravity exists either, huh? 😂

@mrbigsdaddy Жыл бұрын

The meat in the SAD diet was never the problem. It is the processed food, both carbs and oils. Very profitable for food, pharma, and medical industry.

@RohannvanRensburg Жыл бұрын

This is a bit of a straw-man as to why most ordinary people adopt this sort of diet. Many people *genuinely* do experience a remission of lifelong health and autoimmune symptoms on a carnivore diet, which is why such an extreme diet exists. Furthermore, food interactions do seem to at least potentially exist, and populations are not individuals. Mikhaila Peterson is an example of a person who has *phenomenal* bloodwork (sub 2nd percentile for Framingham risk) and is on a purely carnivore diet, and seems to experience debilitating symptoms eating other food. But Mikhaila isn't everyone, and plant based diets don't work for everyone. The conflation of population vs individual is precisely why epidemiological data is merely a start point. As Attia says, why not take a statin if it's truly improving so much of your health?

@trishkelly07 Жыл бұрын

Love you guys! Keep it coming!

@cadupradoo Жыл бұрын

Oh, and by the way. Great episode as always!!

@mungiuri 9 ай бұрын

This was such an enjoyable listen!

@smilebot484 Жыл бұрын

i saw it disappeared and now it's back. hopefully you didn't need to cut any juicy clips!

@amerkhan01 Жыл бұрын

A very insightful session- helped me get a more nuanced perspective on keto and carnivore. Please bring in other perspectives as well. Would be interesting to see Ben Bikman and Dr Ken Berry ( his book 'lies doctors tell you'). Thanks so much. Look forward to more interviews.

@amerridesbikes Жыл бұрын

This was absolutely epic! Thanks guys, you rock 🙌

@XBoxwolf 8 ай бұрын

The problem with doctors like this who HATE PAUL SALADINO, is that Paul is not like that, he is more positive and his advice actually benefits people in the short term. I think it is very likely that an all meat diet will not be good in the long term, but when you tell people who used to be fat with skin problems, joint issues, GERD, etc that their new diet that they are doing is bad, and they should trust the experts when the experts could never fix their problems before it is kind of like saying “Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”

@Texanfourever 4 ай бұрын

This is vegan bias and everyone who comments positively are vegan or ignorant to the fact we have only been eating plants for 15000 years and be for that we ate mostly meat for the rest of our existence so our digestive system is not designed to extract nutrients from plants. The fact that we have so much poop when eating vegetables and trash diets should show the simplest minded person we are not absorbing much and when eating meat you have a very little amount of poop and as long as you eat the fat it’s soft without eating fiber.

@samfox2097 Жыл бұрын

Great episode! Loved it

@RedPillVegan Жыл бұрын

i exchanged messages with john meadows before he died. after a heart scare he told me he was eating a plant predominant diet but was still eating a lot of animal protein. he became much more conscious of his fat intake if i remember correctly

@patrycja2696 Жыл бұрын

Loving my carnivore diet!!!

@michaeliveson2935 Жыл бұрын

Great episode. Only issue I had was letting him off the hook (no pun intended, or maybe there is), with the whole ‘what even is suffering?’ However, it was an informative, balanced and entertaining listen, as per. Cheers.

@lindsaytoussaint Жыл бұрын

I accidentally deleted a very deep and thought out comment because I was laughing so hard and dropped my phone. More of these episodes with the three of you please. Dr Alan is a riot.

@leannepollock4654 Жыл бұрын

Please don’t underestimate the “lay” person. I believe if we are truly interested in a topic and curious (willing to learn), we can plow through meaty material! Please continue with your in-depth approach to these topics. Thank you!

@leannepollock4654 Жыл бұрын

And I wanted to add your conversation with Drew and Alan was super entertaining! I listened to it over a few days and it was well worth the time🙏🏻

@angelam211 Жыл бұрын

I’m only in at the 1:02:23 mark of this conversation and the thoughts by all are brilliantly expressed. I wish ore individuals were open-minded enough just to engage in other conversations and think “maybe there’s more to that, I should do a deeper dive” Unfortunately, I believe most look for the ideas that support their beliefs and cannot be deterred from that, regardless of whether the science is there. And, to your point, I do not know that I’d concern myself with those individuals because it’s an all or nothing mentality - there is no gray area. I really enjoy your podcasts and look forward to future content.

@Damudean Жыл бұрын

I disagree I was having serious stomach problems for years tried everything that was suggested by the normal, then followed gentry then tried omad and slowly got better but finally no plants has done the job completely. But there is definitely no way we should be so different if we are the same species and veganism is obviously only political

@RahulRaj-vg4jb Жыл бұрын

The discussion around the ethics part is a train wreck

@RahulRaj-vg4jb Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill i thought you had figured it out, Alan was totally clueless wrt vegan ethics, you could have pushed him on naming the trait, but i understand why you wouldn't perhaps for diplomatic reasons. His stance was kinda vague: everything is suffering tho, why does suffering matter tho. These however could have easily been dealt with if you had someone good at philosophy like Dr. Avi. Not to mention the analogy made by the other guy about saving puppies, was totally disanalogous with veganism. These are just some of the criticisms i have, obviously I'd like if someone made a video pointing this out.

@jesuschrist1501 Жыл бұрын

@@RahulRaj-vg4jb dr. avi is a sophist, people who listen to him is to listen to what is the next kind of sophistry he has in store for his next discussion. pretty much a quack himself.

@charlesmay3759 5 ай бұрын

If I had known this guy thought, canola oil was good for you, I wouldn’t of listened for two hours

@Ian-io3yt Жыл бұрын

I love that shirt of Alan's. LOL. Where can I get one?

@kevinstahl7073 10 ай бұрын

Love the shout-out to Dr. Baraki and Barbell Medicine

@carnivoreRon 10 ай бұрын

I've eaten carnivore for 5 years resulting in no more autoimmune symptoms. I was diagnosed as allergic to gluten. I dropped 35 pounds in 2 years. I generally work out 5 days a week for 2 hours a day. I'm 71 years old. I've never felt better.

@tewtravelers9586 9 ай бұрын

You should write a scientific study about yourself

@carnivoreRon 9 ай бұрын

@@MoSec9 Even after I went gluten free, I still had to use the inhalers. After eating carnivore, I no longer needed to use inhalers.

@heleen313 9 ай бұрын

Did you listen to the part from 3:26:00? You can feel good whereas on the inside it’s not good. I can imagine you feel better after losing weight if you were overweight and not eating gluten if you were gluten intolerant, but you probably haven’t fixed anything. If I may ask, how do you get fibres and for example vitamine C?

@carnivoreRon 9 ай бұрын

@@heleen313 Fiber is Absolutely not necessary. That's one of the myths with no scientific proof to support it. Glucose and vitamin c complete for the same cell receptors. You don't eat sugar, then vitamin c can enter the cells so a person doesn't have to take massive amounts of vitamin c. Meat has enough vitamin c.

@Carniboarder 9 ай бұрын

I had the same results of all medications dropped 100lbs I’m 39 people think I’m 29. Carnivore for 6 years.

@doryb4808 Жыл бұрын

Simon, can you point me to a link on the environmental study you reference at about 1:27? There are so many studies out there on the internet and I trust your references. I’m going to share it with a class I’m facilitating. Thank you!

@brendancafaro6724 Жыл бұрын

Awesome channel. Keep it up

@lindarkruse9301 Жыл бұрын

I loved this episode and have the highest respect for all of you! However there was one thing I didnt really understand. When Dr Goldner said that dairy was inflammatory and could give you cancer - what was wrong with that? I believe I’ve heard dr Greger, Dr Barnard, Dr Kirsti Funk and others talking about this too. Was it the way she said it (like a blanket statement without being more nuanced or is there not data to support the connections? Thanks for taking the time to explain (if you’ve got the time ofc ❤).

@lindarkruse9301 Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Thanks! I mustve just forgotten about that. 🙌🏼 Thanks for the link. Im guessing the other doctors must be referencing studies on rodents or just not strong enough data. 🙏🏻

@aaronbr2001 Жыл бұрын

@@lindarkruse9301 I wonder if the negative association between dairy and cancer could be because it may be consumed instead of something worse like red meat or ultra processed food. Because from what I have seen vegans have lower rates of cancer than vegetarians that eat dairy.

@lindarkruse9301 Жыл бұрын

@@aaronbr2001 yeah. I have the same experience.

@jussi3378 7 ай бұрын

@@aaronbr2001 Dairy products are often fermented, so perhaps it's that. But they also contain more saturated fat than red meat by percentage of fats in them, although the fat levels in dairy products differ wildly. Also K2 vitamin

@seanogorman3617 Жыл бұрын

May take a few days to hear all this but pumped !

@ZumbaZumbamarisa Жыл бұрын

Truly enjoyed the calming atmosphere you created during the show, Simon! I'm a Clinical Dietitian at a hospital and when someone comments on my lunch I get uncomfortable (and feel invaded truthfully) because my intake is irrelevant to what I do to educate my patients, so I understood when Alan maybe?? tried to dodge this part. In any case, would you be able to share the canola oil research mentioned in the show, please? 100% Canola oil advocate. Not too sexy, but it should be. Thank you!

@ZumbaZumbamarisa Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Super! xMarisa

@Brandon-dg9lu 7 ай бұрын

You need to write the book, "7 Habits of Highly Effective Quacks."

@emilyelin2205 Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate the work that you do. Misinformation is so rampant these days, it’s difficult to find a trusted source for evidence-based, non-biased info. Would love it if you could do an episode debunking all of the Medical Medium’s claims. He’s become so popular amongst the vegan/gluten free circle in Taiwan, there are restaurants and cafes that are MM-compliant. It’s extremely disturbing the way the followers are religiously devoted, like a cult. They maintain that MM-info is the only real absolute truth.. Please do an episode on this 🙏

@donatina1987 9 ай бұрын

Definitely. More and more people are developing eating disorders because of the “cleansing tools” described in his books. Hope he’ll consider this. P.s. I did fall into the belief that I needed some of his cleanses to get better and heal my digestion. I ended up eating almost no added fat. Didn’t feel better, of course..

@emilyelin2205 9 ай бұрын

@@donatina1987 so glad and relieved that someone shares my point of view! Thank you so much for your reply I hope you found other more effective ways to heal your digestive issues 💛

@donatina1987 9 ай бұрын

@emilyelin2205 hi, oh that’s lovely of you, thanks for answering. Well, I still have a very sensitive stomach but fats have to be in the diet, and that eating greens and fruits and potatoes simply isn’t balanced. healthy whole fats from avocado or seeds are simply the best options you can choose from.

@StephenMarkTurner Жыл бұрын

"A lie gets half way round the world before the truth even gets its boots on".

@lashedbutnotleashed1984 Жыл бұрын

That's a Mark Twain quote.

@StephenMarkTurner Жыл бұрын

@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 Thanks

@BartBVanBockstaele 8 ай бұрын

1:21:11 "the diet we follow is somewhat of a luxury" It is. I checked at our local Loblaws in Toronto. Right now, 2000 kcal costs 3 CDN for potato chips and 68 CDN for kale (the darling of lifestyle medicine) and let's not even talk about asparagus. This is a **caricature** but it illustrates the problem and that is not even talking about the shopping, storing, preparing and cleaning aspects and the time that goes into them. When someone is working two or three jobs to make ends meet, while facing long commute times and other challenges, how does that person have a choice? The pricing structure needs to change. We should find a way to make more healthful food way cheaper and more convenient, and THEN (and only then) increase the price of the less healthful food so that it becomes the luxury it should be. Politicians have work to do. Important work.

@dave3gan 8 ай бұрын

Great podcast, very engaging.

@hpcam1 Жыл бұрын

Will this be going on Spotify?

@ritacastanhito2223 Жыл бұрын

What's the name of the protein shake with 50g?

@icholas1527 Жыл бұрын

Nice to get a Barbell Medicine shout out at the start. Those guys are great.

@Kai-wz8uy Жыл бұрын

interesting convo! felt like i ran the full gamut of emotions.

@Kai-wz8uy Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill that it's hard to take a self proclaimed nihilist seriously

@skippy6462 Жыл бұрын

I thought that the t-shirt was Dr. Greger's from his nutrition facts website... had to zoom in to read it.

@rawmilkmike 2 ай бұрын

This click bait video came up again on my feed. I let it play because the title sounded so interesting. Turns out it's just jibber jabber. At best, it may be entertaining. Humans are carnivores. We don't need to eat plants. We are much happier and healthier when we don't. And it's better for the planet.

@harpswellsound Жыл бұрын

At 1: 41 Alan mentions a plant-based protein supplement having 50 grams of protein. Can you clarify the name of the supplement/meal, and the manufacturer/distributor? Thanks.

@DemiousStudios 8 ай бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill lol - and there's the plug. My god- the irony of you buffoons' calling out other "influences" as grifters is thick

@alblee Жыл бұрын

Salutations from the Philippines! 🤓

@StephenMarkTurner Жыл бұрын

There was a local bodybuilder in my area. Competitive at a Canadian level, not world class. I knew him for decades from the gym, but that was all. He died in his early 50s of (I think) liver cancer. For sure, meaty diet and PEDs. But it's just sad, he was a nice guy with a family. He would acknowledge me (probably because I just kept showing up thru the years, even if I never got any muscles). He never had that pro wrestler strut, I never had to get out of his way when he walked by. It's just sad.

@nitrosquid2372 7 ай бұрын

Nothing like talking in an echo chamber. Why not have Dr. Saladino on to defend his views?

@chrisjbarr86 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved the podcast, one of your best so far. And I respect/trust Alan's nutritional advice more than anyone else on the internet! But the vegan ethics part was a hard listen. I've heard so many well educated people use mental gymnastics like this to justify their unethical choices, at least Alan was honest as to why- taste. But I actually don't know if I respect him more or less for this justification. I'd have liked you to push him more on the suffering and if his nihalism towards it is consistent when humans are suffering. Hopefully he changes his actions soon, maybe a discussion with Avi or Nick Hiebert could be set up?

@alanflanagan3804 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your thoughts. I think the pointed aim to have me change my actions is where the religiosity of veganism becomes apparent, an aspect of the dialogue I struggle with; one is only worthy ones converted. I was as candid as I could be, but perhaps didn’t articulate certain points as well. The point about taste was not in isolation, but in combination with the perspective on suffering and utilitarianism. So it wasn’t mental gymnastics, just simply that I’m not convinced (or entirely unconvinced) that those are universal concepts that holds precedent, rather than the philosophy most suited to the outcomes consistent with vegan ethics.

@chrisjbarr86 Жыл бұрын

@@alanflanagan3804 I feel the "not worthy" comment is unfair, just because you can't see the severity of a small portion of your consumption choices yet doesn't mean vegans are wrong to try & convince you otherwise. I also think questioning the position of someone like yourself is far more valuable than the majority of people because you are a logical fair person, who is a great communicator, with a platform, who is so close to being vegan anyway. You'd be extremely good for the movement. One of the reasons I think you're applying mental gymnastics is because you care about the environment, why? Is it not to reduce suffering? If it is (which I can't see any other reason) then this position leads you to Veganism.

@alanflanagan3804 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisjbarr86 I take the point that it may have been unfair. In effect, I was saying that if someone is in a place where only 100% suffices, it is absolutist and anything short of that is not enough; it's a binary consideration. I could have articulated that better, mea culpa. I accept and appreciate that my profile opens this conversation and there may be some value here in that, and I'm happy to be questioned; so thank you for engaging. The thing is, I have zero intention on advocating for any diet, particularly on social media. This is why I don't post about food, or discuss my diet (Simon's podcast was the first time I'd ever discussed it). Were I to declare and start to publicly advocate for a diet, it would compromise my integrity as a researcher and scientist. It creates a rebuttable presumption of bias that can never really be shaken. Ultimately, I'm interested in contributing to improving methodology and producing good science; my interest in the food-related outcomes is secondary to that. In relation the environment, to be perfectly honest I've never thought about through the lens of suffering per se. There are any number of considerations that feed into the question of climate change. For example, one consequence that I could foresee is that climate migration could provide a platform for rising Right-wing populist parties in Europe. So there are geopolitical, economic, pragmatic, planetary, and certainly social justice related reasons encapsulated within the environmental framework.

@chrisjbarr86 Жыл бұрын

@@alanflanagan3804 But Veganism is an anti oppression (rights based imo) movement, look at it as anti animal abuse, like the fights against sexism, racism, homophobia etc. And with those movements, rightly so it's 100% or nothing. If someone is 98% not a racist but every now & then that person uses a racial slur I'm sure you'd want them questioned & educated on this? The excuse "Why are you so absolutist about it? I'm mostly not a racist" would not suffice. Now I'm not saying you eating dairy now & then is the same as being racist, being racist is obviously worse. But the point I'm trying to make is they're both anti oppression movements & need to be absolute. I don't expect or want you to push any diet on anybody. I just think someone with your platform, communication skills & education level saying they're vegan for the animals would plant a seed in the minds of others who respect you & your opinion. I understand your point about the environment & the knock on consequences, but I'd argue you only care about those consequences because they will cause suffering. Maybe read Animal Liberation by Peter Singer, it changed my life.

@CP-ee9zn Жыл бұрын

@@alanflanagan3804 Hi Alan! Such a great discussion. I was wondering, do you think there must be a universal moral concept like you describe in order to locally not harm individuals that we are capable of not harming? My thought was that if I had to justify everything to the extreme, universally, I might not be able to have any sort of morality underpinning my quotidian actions. I think for me getting to veganism was a process of realizing that I was inconsistently applying my own values. I don’t go through life trying to hurt other human beings, and if I found out I was hurting someone and stopping was within my control, I would try to stop. To me, what matters most is - is this individual capable of feeling pain? If they are, I wouldn’t want to hurt them especially if I had an alternative path available. Anyway, I know it must be frustrating to face those who are trying to convert you or change your mind. I hope you can try not to conflate the level of annoyingness of those people with the underlying message. I think it’s great you are so open to conversation on this issue!

@centellacola 11 ай бұрын

The PHD’s bias is evident in how he positions himself as an authority while dismissing other individuals in the field who not only possess academic qualifications to comment but also have practical experience in dealing with individuals with varying health states. There is not a lot of uniformity when it comes to treatment and cause and effect in the Western medicine approach to nutrition, this contributes to much of the misinformation and confusion about health. This bias becomes apparent when they make sweeping statements for example about lectins, disregarding the fact that while these statements may not apply universally, lectins can be harmful to certain individuals based on their metabolic fitness and overall health. It is also important to acknowledge the existence of contradictory evidence within the fields of medicine and nutrition and including research. It is astonishing how arrogant and elitist the presenters can be, assuming authority solely based on their health literacy and ability to understand research articles which again is another issue in itself. However, it should be noted that practitioners like Dr. Hyman, despite having something to sell, also provide valuable education. this had to be noted and people will hear what they want to hear but it should be pointed out they fall into the very category they are complaining about.

@sunwm2003 10 ай бұрын

Agreed. These people never healed anybody with nutrition but a piece of paper on the wall. Nutrition is the most powerful tool to heal and it is becoming more and more popular. But these people can talk on podcast. Healing is not their thing. I hope one day they are old enough, like passing 50, they will come to realization how arrogant they are. They will start to seek nutrition.

@ladagspa2008 7 ай бұрын

Yeah buddy, seek more anecdotes. Seek the 1 in 1000 outlier to make your argument.

@callador0630 8 ай бұрын

Great video! For the 1.6g per kg body weight, is that based off total body weight or the amount of lean mass you have? For my example, I'm about 150kg at 198cm in height. I would guess I'm 30% body fat and want to cut to 125kg. With the 150kg protein number, that's pretty hard to get so far trying the diet.

@projectoldman3383 4 ай бұрын

You can use your ideal or goal weight or maybe a bit more. Using body fat % goals can also work.

@murraybrockway6540 9 ай бұрын

As someone with Fat Malabsorpion I was making good progress at the gym until I got a jar or two of food packed in canola oil. I do poorly with soybean or canola oil in dressings. Conversely I do OK with the same foods packed in olive oil like muffaletta olive relish.

@willow05 Жыл бұрын

Omg Simon dying over the idiot videos (‘beans sucking minerals’ !) was priceless !

@paulasamec8715 Жыл бұрын

In the 60s and 70s bull’s testicles were still on Austrian menues and I remember my boyfriend ordering them once. And you could easily get brains with eggs in local restaurants and other organs such as liver and kidneys and thymus were also eaten a lot!

@Test-eb9bj 9 ай бұрын

I grew up too eating organs and loved sautéed liver with fried, crispy onions and fried slices of apples over rice. Same with „Sour kidneys“ and gratins with kidneys. Also fried tender sweet bread in port wine sauce. My father went through two World wars and famine periods related to it - he would never waste food and made us appreciate what was on the table. He was a great cook too.

@veniqe 11 ай бұрын

3:15:30 I eat at least 200g unprocessed meat per day. My health markers are all excellent.

@jonathonfreelove5321 Жыл бұрын

In Alan we trust a superb episode really appreciate these conversations

@2k4nt Жыл бұрын

Full respect to Dr Alan Flanigan but it sounds like he watches 'Dr Salad' Dr Paul Saldino's clip videos where hes being more 'sensational' and not the ones where hes broken down the science. Also, all the medical professionals from Low Carb Down Under's KZfaq channel, that promote a fat based diet and confirm the same things that Dr Salad say. It feels like Dr Alan Flanigan is not confronting his own biases. Also, something I belive he or someome mentioned in this podcast is that people appeal to authority and how its a fallacy to do so... He does it through out the video...

@sethboviper Жыл бұрын

I kinda get why there's bro talk at the beginning, relaxes everyone, humanizes them, BUT it also makes me think a little less of you all (bro-science...) and it makes an already long convo even longer. to be clear I did listen to the whole thing and have listened to alot of your material, am between Alan and you on the plant based spectrum, generally believe plants are the way to go, and didn't hear anything obviously weird, but Alan isn't doing research, he's summarizing studies, and knowing that he's coming at this from a weight lifting bro perspective changes things a little for me.

@alanflanagan3804 Жыл бұрын

Would it make you feel better if I linked the papers I’ve published from my research?

@sethboviper Жыл бұрын

@@alanflanagan3804 sorry, I see you on Web of Science, so I was wrong about that, but still on Simon's podcast you are primarily talking about nutrition science in general, not specifically your own work

@alanflanagan3804 Жыл бұрын

@@sethboviper No worries mate. Yeah this is true, Simon just wanted to have a free-flowing chat and meander through topics, which most people seem to have enjoyed. I seldom talk about my own diet or personal stuff, so I have to say I enjoyed it! I have a couple of interesting papers about to get submitted, so when they're published I'll sit back down with Simon and we can talk about my own research specifically, and in more detail.

@jh-mp8so 11 ай бұрын

Completely agree. a lot of these type of yt conversations are VERY male centric. World doesn't revolve around white men, BRO....

@artindeedgallery93 4 ай бұрын

I am currently experimenting with carnivore. My BP is much lower, my sleep is better and I have very little arthritic pain. I am 76 and have been a liberal all my life. Currently I am less progressive than my party is right now but still liberal in most policies.

@bluepetunias Жыл бұрын

Cody Rhodes pectoral got tore off the bone recently during a workout. Brutal

@cyclamen831 Жыл бұрын

This was fantastic ! I really appreciate this conversation, very well done and definitely needed. channel. I am a physician and I feel a bit embarrassed every time I hear my colleagues making absolute statements or recommendations on social media. I am often skeptical about why are they even on YT or IG..."what are they selling"? However, I do want to point out something I disagree. As much as I do not follow Dr Hyman, I do not find it impossible for his patient to have stopped taking insulin after 3 days of whatever diet/ potion /supplement he sold her ( assuming she was a DMT2 patient ). She probably just quit, saved some money, remained hyperglycemic for a while, probably continued her oral regiment and hopefully got her act together. I imagine she ditched junk and processed food and voila' , 3 months later....a new person! Sadly, this is extremely rare but, if true, good for her.

@what.the.bleep.do.i.eat. Жыл бұрын

This was very helpful. Because I have had digestive issues (IBS) for 15+ years and lifelong depression almost everything I encounter shoves me towards the low-carb diet. In the last 2 years that's also included the carnivore diet. And while keto did help some bloating symptoms I had it still didn't make me feel "great" like lots of other people claim. I remember eating melted cheese "crackers" and guacamole and feeling incredibly nauseous to the point I could only eat 3-4 while on lunch break at work. So it's not surprising people will lose weight. Though while I credit trying veganism (for 1.5 years vs the 3-4 months I was on keto....so that should tell you something) with helping me figure out my lactose intolerance I found much of the meat substitutes to be too processed and too expensive and my gut just could not handle a low fat, high carb whole food vegan diet. I still get drawn back to the keto/carnivore videos because as one of the guys mentioned they at least claim to have the answers. The diet looks legitimately disgusting though, I barely eat beef now especially steaks and the amount of people I see taking bites out of sticks of butter is at the level of a circus side show in my opinion. Right now I'm leaning towards a Scandinavian style diet but with less grains though I plan on working my way through the Fiber Fueled plan for IBS and hope that I can train my body to tolerate more grains and legumes because I do love them and despite the GI issues in other ways I feel a lot better when I include them in my diet. P.S. At around 2:03:35 where Dr. Flanagan talks about how Dave Asprey looks like death...... honestly I absolutely agree and I am often shocked at how terrible some of these carnivore/low-carb influencers look. While many of the men are obviously on "hormone replacement therapy" and might have muscles and a 6 pack just generally many of them look puffy with terrible skin. Admittedly some vegans also look terrible but they're also the ones doing an extreme diet that comes off as more of an eating disorder than anything else.

@djmorgasm Жыл бұрын

A thoughtful, respectful, nuanced conversation. Thank you!

@ThingsYoudontwanttohear Жыл бұрын

This podcast makes me feel a bit better about the state of rampant misinformation we are in and about my own failure to not be misguided. As you all three are highly educated and intelligent people that admit you were misguided, but now are more critical of yourselves. I think there are many quacks/zealots that do not even know they are misguided, but instead think they are the critical thinkers. And then the question becomes: How do I know that I am not the quack? I watch this carnivore presentation by Garry Groves and I was surprised it was so convincing. It is hard to objectively fact-check information that you want to hear. Nevertheless I checked one of the studies he referred to and found the study said the opposite of what he claimed. Eventually I checked the majority of the papers he cited and all of these were misrepresented or he simply lied about the contents and findings. This fact-checking cost me several hours, but if I would not have "wasted" this effort this misinformation would have lingered in my mind to come out as fact later.

@michaelhoile1369 Жыл бұрын

Love the ,playing chess with a pigeon

@neilxify Жыл бұрын

The big problem with the Carnivore Diet is not just that people ‘feel’ good on it, it is that every measurable health marker dramatically improves. Inflammation, HbA1c, blood pressure, reduction in insulin use for diabetics, reduction in medication for metabolic diseases, lipids (except LDL-C in some cases), and skin disorders to name just a few of the most often reported ones. When many thousands of carnivore dieters anecdotally report these huge measurable and observable health improvements, surely we need trials that include cohorts that don't consume any plant material at all? Vague hand waving admonitions that ‘they’ll suffer 5 years down the road’ are not convincing.

@neilxify Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill it is of interest how that weight loss achieved. In general, people reduce calories by reducing carbohydrates (e.g. the 4 Cs- cookies, candy, cake and coke) to lose weight which automatically makes their animal food consumption a larger %age of their diet. It would be worthwhile to find out which is the bigger contributor to the improvement in health markers - weight loss, decreased plant food or increased animal food.

@metalrunner4398 Жыл бұрын

@@neilxify all this benefits are attributed to drastic weight loss. You can find armies of people resolving thier AI disorders including psoriasis on mediterranean/pescatarian diets, vegetarian or DASH diet. They just aren’t mobilized by agressive internet quacks who sell testicle supplements and they simply live their new healthy lives without being obsessed with food like carnivore dieters. Long term detrimental consequences of high LDL are something that we will be observing from those who stick to that carnivore orthorexic disorder for longer period of time. Testicle supplement quacks are very well aware that most people will not stick to it long enough to develop heart disease and they take advantage of short term benefits that are 100% weight loss benefits. Fun fact. Shawn Baker spent couple of days in the city of Mostar in August. My friend saw him in the restaurant and they made a nice selfie. When Shawn returned to his table my mate noticed that the guy is eating traditional Bosnian cake made of walnuts and sugar syrup 😂

@garyloewenthal Жыл бұрын

@@neilxify Interestingly, those same measures see improvement on a whole food, plant-based diet, which is practically the opposite of a carnivore diet. This is not to recommend one diet over the other; it’s almost like the farther you get from the standard American diet, in any direction, you get health improvements. It will be interesting to see multi-year prospective cohort studies on people eating carnivore diets.

@mspatricia3151 Жыл бұрын

@@TheProofWithSimonHill my triglycerides went from 7.2 to 0.7 on carnivore with no weight loss

@neilxify Жыл бұрын

@@mspatricia3151 “Ah, but your (calculated) LDL-C probably went up! You’ll pay dearly with bad health in the long run.” Just kidding. I’ll bet all your health markers have improved without excessive weight loss. Planty nutritionists need to get out more and see what happens when people eschew plants, instead of wasting their time relying on nutrition epidemiology studies.

@denisea.9033 Жыл бұрын

Really appreciated and respected this intelligent and civilized conversation. Thank you for sharing! I thought it was super informative, tasteful, casual and funny - a great combination and relief from all the nonsense being touted out there. Very eye-opening too. I remember back in university, we started getting emails from Dr. Mark Hyman and I thought it must be legit if the college allowed these to come through, crazy. Anyway, thanks again & keep on sharing truth. Sending gratitude and peace from Okinawa 🙏🏽🌺.

@bambigrage8464 6 ай бұрын

Wow, I have never watched your show. Very difficult to listen to you all talking over each other and making fun of other people and directly calling people out. It must sell. Maybe try having a bit more maturity and stick to the science.

@ThomNeale Жыл бұрын

America “a nation of small towns where everyone is addicted to heroine.” Wow. Subbed.

@bossimprovement9099 Жыл бұрын

When I started researching human nutrition I was not prepared for how extremely controversial it is. I’ve read tons of books, watched a lot of videos and listened to a lot of advice from nutritionist. They all contradict each other in some way or another. I think the best thing anyone can do is simply experiment with food and listen to their bodies and see how they feel. So far the food that makes me feel the best is a salad with nuts, carrots, avacado, eggs, and chicken. I will continue listening and learning but the truth is health will probably always be debated and we may never truly know what foods or diet is truly the best, and perhaps it varies from person to person

@stellasternchen 9 ай бұрын

You name the problem. You relied on other people’s opinion. Opinions differ, data not. It‘s better to look at study level to actually find what the evidence supports.

@DemiousStudios 8 ай бұрын

@@stellasternchen Nope. He had it right: "simply experiment with food and listen to their bodies". It's really that simple.

@stellasternchen 8 ай бұрын

@@DemiousStudios It‘s a nice concept to depend on feelings not knowledge! Let‘s forget everything science found out. You can feel great with a blood pressure of 200/100. It still destroys your blood vessels and organs. That is just such a stupid thing to depend on, what is suggested here. And if something makes you feel a little bit worse, does not mean it is not beneficial. Antibiotics make you feel tired, they impair mitochondrial function. But they can make a difference between surviving an infection or not. We are well past the medieval ages, where there was a great absence of knowledge, let‘s please not go back to that. „Feeling good“ can very often be attributed to placebo effect. I can give you a personal example. I believed that it would help as a kid, to drink orange juice. And I always felt better. Turns out though, that the data on vitamin C for the treatment is very inconsistent and if there are positive effects, they are minimal.🤷‍♀️ Perfect example of the placebo effect. Trust your brain not your feelings. The ability to think made humans so successful not the ability to seek the greatest comfort.

@vegrunner6688 10 ай бұрын

The "poor people can't do this" part of the conversation bothered me. It may be true that a very small % of the American population is so low-resourced (economically/cognitively/geographically) that preparing healthy meals is a struggle, but the vast majority can learn to make dietary improvements. Difficult does not equal impossible. I'd love to see community resources directed at meeting people where they are; maybe for some that would mean adding a salad to the family dinner menu to go with their Big Macs. Fat, salt, and sugar make a powerful drug--deadlier even than opioids--but considering people incapable of demonstrating agency is not a good place to start.

@SuzanneU Жыл бұрын

What about the high degree of nutrigenomic variabilty?

@gia_111 Жыл бұрын

alan is doing a lot of mental gymnastics to justify eating meat when all he has to do is say he simply enjoys it and leave it at that. it was painful hearing him try to argue moral philosophies and "what even is suffering?" and make it seem like not caring about animals is some deep, complex outlook lol

@DillaryHuff 12 күн бұрын

As a non-Vegan, I assume his stance is that he's aware of how important the highly bio-available B vitamins, minerals and amino acids of red meat are for his general health, and instead of pointing that out, he's trying to appease the viewers that he knows are majority vegan. I don't think we'll ever get anywhere by arguing about the ethical aspect to consuming animal foods, I imagine you have a very firm stance in that regard, but some of us are more concerned with how our nutrient needs are covered by the food we consume. And based on how I understand nutritional science, that's a subject that's definitely not as skewed towards veganism as you might think. I believe even Simon Hill, himself, has admitted to this. And with that said, I think people should be allowed to eat whatever they want to eat, and then their health outcomes will be a reflection of their own decisions.

@megavegan5791 Жыл бұрын

Dr. Ken Berry recently did a 'Hyman' bait-and-switch move. He just posted a YT video essentially apologizing for ever having recommended any level of vegetable consumption.

@RedPillVegan Жыл бұрын

i shall see this

@darkdragonite1419 Жыл бұрын

As he should. You don't need vegetables. Jesus. These guys "yeah watch out for people who change their minds, they're bad news".

@Damudean Жыл бұрын

@@darkdragonite1419 are you serious, so if you find out you were wrong you should ignore it?

@megavegan5791 Жыл бұрын

@@darkdragonite1419 Ask anyone who has ever had any adverse outcome following Dr. Berry’s terrible and dangerous dietary advice and then tried to contact him about it. They’ll give you one of two possible responses: 1) No response or acknowledgement from him. 2) If he’s confronted on a live stream or public Q&A session and can’t ignore it, he’ll say something to the effect of “That’s strange because 95% of people we hear from never experienced that”.

@sschreck08 Жыл бұрын

@@darkdragonite1419 Lol, so you're one of those that is beyond help. Maybe you'll wake up when you start having heart issues.

@Aki-wq6xh 10 ай бұрын

That t shirt 😳 Everything else have been said. Thank you ❤

@john99776 9 ай бұрын

I have to admit, pretty clever tactic by this guest. Call out quackery, and then follow up by putting the techniques into practice.

@mschroed99 7 ай бұрын

PERFECTO!

@anachichi68 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I really loved the respect and honesty on the discussion on the ethical reasons to not eat animals. Refreshing!

@pamadams53 Ай бұрын

Carnivore Snax. Thick sliced dried ribeye, pork loin, sirloin etc.

@sittingfrogleg Жыл бұрын

Big fan of the show, Simon, enjoy both the formal interviews with science experts and this type of informal chat with Drew and Alan, I enjoyed the thoughtful, free flowing of ideas. Great quality show, you always ask great questions. Have you thought about having a carnivore diet doctor on your show? I feel like is becoming a trendy diet, I know people who are totally committed to it and fear for them.

@greyhnd001 9 ай бұрын

Whole food plant diet rocks

@greengraybear7925 Жыл бұрын

I almost managed to get through the first hour of this rambling about freedom of speech and then I decided it was not worth it. Freedom of speech is at the basis of any free society and exceptions should be made in only extraordinary circumstances where there is imminent danger to life. Political speech and scientific discourse should virtually never be censored. No 'buts.'