Have you seen the "Teaching and Learning without an Agenda" video? THAT is the closest we've seen, lmao.

I know right it's actually quite amusing 🤣 He's so humble all the time, nice to see that inner berserker coming out

You could almost call it a rant.

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kevin p lmao how’s that related to the credibility just because he attends BLM???

I think the trouble with that idea is, as Jackson has said ... there are almost no physical descriptions given. You can depict the Gods in almost any manner you want and it won't contradict the sources because there is no information to contradict. Thor being specifically described as having red hair is one of the few instances of such a detail being noted.

I agree 10000%!!!! Even if there are little to no descriptions, then perhaps lines of text that can be used as inspiration!

My understanding is that both Thor and Loki are supposed to have red hair and Thor has a red beard as said in the video.

even if it would be short, it'd be practical to have such a cheat-sheet to quickly double-check when sketching

I despise that idea greatly. The idea of canonizing one specific look for gods that people orally worshipped in a vast radius is inherently false if you ask me. People who actually worshipped these gods in the times they were relevant would view them as looking different from town to town maybe even houshold to household. To then take much later christian descriptions of the gods to canonize is silly. While some things are important to the gods traits, like Odins missing eye and Tyrs missing hand, other things like their hair color or beard shape should not be viewed as having any canon. It will only cause poorly educated gate keepers to hound every design they do not like.

You might also like Kay Nielsen.

I need to check him out, thanks!

his dinosaur illustrations are amazing too, they make bird-like feathered dinosaurs look ten times cooler than scaly lizard-like dinosaurs and show a wonderful sense of humour

Thank you for telling me about this artist I now need his books

Did he illustrate the Väsen RPG published by Fria Ligan? EDIT: Just wanted to add that as someone named Tor who grew up reading and watching Valhall whenever anyone mentions Tor I always see Peter Madsen's rendition of him in my mind. I sorta connected to Tor from Valhall, I guess

Jolly good point!

Godt sagt

@@theyoungcavalier You're right in the case of ancient Germans, although there is a reason why it is in Scandinavia we find all these artifacts, and it is where the stories take place. Anglo Saxons have a much weaker claim, they simply imported the culture (you might as well say that they have a claim to the Roman pantheon, and through that to Greek mythology), and Americans in general certainly don't have a claim just because a small percentage of them has Scandinavian ancestors.

@@Galdring So, what is the difference between an Anglo Saxon or Jute or Danish colonist of Britain and a Scandinavian/Gaelic colonist of Iceland? Or are you saying that Icelanders don't get to have a claim either?

@@Galdring Anglo Saxons worshiped Woden and Thunor before they invaded the British Isles. It was only after St. Augustine that the Anglo Saxons converted form the old gods to Christianly. They have at least as much right to the cultural heritage as ancient German's do. Anglo Saxons are after all originally from Northern Germany and Southern Denmark

​@@pattheplanter The difference is what amount of the modern population is descended from the people who developed and practised this culture, and where the stories making up the core of this mythology take place. Norse mythology is strongly tied to a people and an area. Of course its cultural elements have been exported, and of course elements of other cultures have been imported. That doesn't mean that no culture can be tied to a people and an area. You could relativize anything in the manner you try to do. That I dabble in math doesn't give me a claim on Calculus.

Wasn't there a medieval revival in general in that era? It seems like that was the beginning of critical mass of people being interested in the medieval era as more than just a rhetorical punching bag for Whigs & Jacobins to use as a proxy for their political enemies.

Peter Madsen's rendition of Norse Mythology has become so ingrained in my mind from when I was a kid that I don't think I'll ever be able to imagine the characters as anything other than the way they are in Valhall.

I can only agree. When I think of Thor really it is heavily inspired by the way he is portrayed by Peter Madsen in Valhall. The illustrations by Johan Egerkrans in Nordiska gudar and Nordiska väsen is also really good.

Tyr world be the GM/coach Odin would be captain Thor would be star player Loki would be on same line as Thor and Odin, I think they would take turns on playing center and left or right wings. Ullr and fray would be defence Heimdall would be goalie because he invented Nets.

Why waste anyone’s time with such questions.

I've made little wood burned idols out of dowls

Well have you made it? I'd love to see it

meh, his Thor isn't big enough

@@RevCuckThor ain’t fat deal with it. Dagda is though but now I feel like he’s going to be hounded by dishonest larpers.

@@RevCuckhis Thor is phenomenal. What are you on about?

It’s really saddening when you put it that way.

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​@@danieldelaney1377It's by Mårten Winge, a Swedish artist. Although yes, it's a more of a German depiction. It's a fantastic oil painting, so on terms of art prowess there are no comparable works of art. The problem is the depiction itself, haha.

Looks cool! Thanks for sharing. Never saw it before.

I'd say that all of artists who work on Trudvang could make beautiful depiction of Norse mythology as it is.

Its worth noting that the technological limitations of the older games limited what he could design. It's why some of the simpler designs caught on. He had to draw with the limits of the consoles. I always loved Odin's depiction in Soulhackers. It's a shame that it wasn't used in later games, but it's one of the more complex illustrations. SMT is a big part of the reason why I got an interest in mythology. The modern reinterpretations got me interested in what the characters meant.

He was invited to guest in a couple videos on another channel about this! I forget which, but KZfaq search "Jackson Crawford God of War" and it should come up

@@simongissler Very interesting. Thank you for the heads up! :)

Tyr is my personal favourite. I do a lot of Norse-inspired art and he is the one god I’ve drawn the most.

Sex goddesses regardless of temperature are often depicted naked in ancient artworks. They're not remotely bothered by mortal limits like cold. I get oversexualization can get tiring but for Freya it fits, Freyr too. So many ancient artworks depicts his proud member. it the nudity is per domain and not the sex of the god I don't see an issue.

@@mormacil I don't think bikini armor has ever been a thing.

@@kerrimccabe3883 Don't think I've ever seen her in those. Indeed not a thing in Scandinavia.

More like that games whole intent was to destroy anything Norse culture. I’m glad people are realizing how bad it was. Specially now with it being rereleased on steam.

That's how it was depicted in the old Hercules series

A war hammer that's too short to be handled by two hands

I'm sure Thor didn't have a regional variant look. He was always noted to have red hair and a red beard according to the ancient texts and was indicated to be a man of a large appearance because of how much he ate and drank. Therefore there wouldn't be much of a reason to believe he looked different.

@@lisapayne9514 Not at all. The oldest descriptions mention his beard as the same color as gold. In old norse they referred to gold as rauðr which would later just mean red, but at the time it represented the color of gold which all his hair was ever compared to in the oldest sources. This is likely what made later authors to describe his hair as red, they just read "rauðr" and assumed the context had stayed the same for 400 years. These tects also call him a literal demon btw. So it is not correct at all, it was written by christians who did not worship or understand hte previously pagan culture. They were all just talking about a snapshot in time which they deemed the canon. It is the same with all written texts about mythologies. The written texts about the Roman pantheon is just one snap shot in time of what those gods were like at that moment, 200 years later it would not be the same but we'll never know because that is not the snapshot we have. And even then we see variety in contemporary sources from the same periods, showing how two people under the same faith did not see the same gods as exactly the same. So when it is like that for the very well connected Roman Empire and Greek states, it would only be more extreme in the disconnected borderline nomadic germanic tribes of the north. And assuming that everyone thought of Thor as fat just because he is said to have a big appetite in the sagas is silly. Not only is Thor not fat on any of the rune stones or other stone or wood carvings or idols of him, but he is also a god who drinks the ocean with a metaphysical purpose. To think people would see him as fat unfounded. Not only because of the pagan depictions I just mentioned, but also since fatness is not associated with a warrior in norse culture, it is seen as a southern foreign lazy "bleikr" concept. Most of the people who believed in Thor would enver see a fat person in their lives. The idols don't show hima s fat, the later tapestry does not show him as fat, the red hair comes from a misunderstanding regarding the old norse description of gold. Most people who actually believed in Thor would therefpre likely believe in Thor as a non-fat golden haired warrior just like the artwork which is complained about in this video represents. But many would also never have heard of such a description because no priests ran around telling them what Thor look is canon, so Thor looked many ways to many people, but theres no evidence to sugegst he was fat.

@@vergil8833 When did Thor's hair ever compared to gold? It's one year late but I want to know

@@porc1429 I can't remember what exact piece of writing it is, but his hair is called "red as gold" because the vikings referred to gold as red. Thats likely where the idea that he has red hair specifically comes from later on, people get hung up on the "red" while ignoring the "as gold" part. Gold is not red like the color red. Unpolished gold has kind of a golden brown color, and dark blonde hair happens to be the most common Scandinavian hair color, so most probably viewed him like that. Remember that these writings are only like screenshots in time. Over the hundreds of years it changed many times all the time, and in every village it was uniquely different, so saying that any hair color is more "canon" than another is silly. Theres no point in getting hung up on such details. As long as he looks like the archetypical scandinavian warrior ideal it's probably right.

That was The Last Jedi of Norse mythology. So glad people are starting to realize it’s garbage.