I feel he went through a lot of children deaths, I wouldn’t wanna decide either.

@@JaiAuthenti Exactly. Its also hinted that he wasn't mentally capable to name an heir. He definitely suffered from dementia/alzheimer's at the time of his death which was less than 2 years after the great council. Baelon and Aemon had been running the realm for years at that point

@@Tresdad09 I agree! Also, with the loss of his amazing wife, along with the unfortunate deaths, I still don’t blame Jaehaerys for letting the others pick for him. He was and is my favorite king of all time.

it was already the norm, the council of 101 just wrote it down.

In conclusion: If everyone listened to Alysanne we wouldn't be in this miss.

Hopefully we have a fair telling of it. I know that we have varying points of view historically in "Fire and Blood", but I don't want it to be too Black slanted in terms of favoritism. Everyone loves the Blacks and the Greens got treated as the worst people in the world, with some of the awful actions of the Blacks totally ignored(the death of Prince Jaehaerys, for example. Maelors death wasn't on them, but as a result of the fleeing of KL, etc;) I know not ALL the Black actions can be held true(I am fairly certain that Rhaenyra slept with Breakbones, but less so that Daemon took Rhaenyra around to whorehouses so she could learn how to seduce Ser Criston, for example. Nor that Daemon slept with her before they wed years later.)

@@phousefilms yes, like...I hope Alicent and Otto are furious with Aemond and that Rhaenyra is regretful about Jaehaerys, especially for Helenas sake...it won't be black and white and I think the writers will do a good job

@@miad5392 If the "Fire and Blood"are correct, Alicent and Otto are disturbed by Aemonds actions, at least.

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So did you like it 😂

then you dont know her husband daemon

@@daleallen4057 I don't think Daemon had any ill will towards his nephew until the dance . Up until that point he was pretty chill towards them.

@@luvprue1 Daemon killed betrothed of Laena Velaryon, a young boy in a mock duel so he could marry her, he was suspect for deaths of Laenor Velaryon, Rhea Royce and Fire in Harenhall that killed Harwin Strong - he couldn't done all but some of it may be true. Rhaenyra also murdered Ser Vaemond Velaryon - who claimed her children were bastards and couldn't inherit Driftmark - before war even started and any of her children died. She also wanted Aemond a boy of 10 to be "questioned sharply=tortured" when he lost an eye. Alicent's family was certainly in danger by the time Dance started, especially after Rhaenyra married Daemon 10 years prior to war without King's consent.

If something is going down see which side the Starks are on and move over there.

The shepherd was right. Nobles are not superior to the rest of the population

You’re correct! A huge portion of the dance was inspired by the events called the Anarchy.

Well, yeah, but it's also reinforcing the already existing law of a male heir over a female one.

They weren't wrong to fear him. Daemon is a terrible king. He'll only bleed the realm dry.

​@@chrisanderson7258ok, Sir Otto hightower

@@bonnielorraine4145 You do know that Otto had run the kingdom for years now even before the war begin right? So far he hasn't done a bad job of it.

Exactly! Aegon knew that the throne belong to his sister. It was because of his mother begging him to take the throne that he decided to do it. His mom convinced him that Rhaenys would have her killed once she become queen.

Right. Plus Rhaenyra did not kill nor harm the green family members she had captured. So why would she hurt her siblings? She did get corrupted towards the end true but she only killed as retaliation at first. The realm was at peace, just allicent and her bitterness caused problems

​​@@ayshagayleshe had Otto and Jasper Wyld executed and Tyland Lannister tortured. She was definitely going to have her siblings suffer the same fate. But they were in the field fighting for their birthright. And Alicent is 1 of the main ones who kept the peace until it could no longer be achieved regardless of her feelings

Daemon is not a new Maegor 😭 He's not a bad guy. He's a grey character!! He's savage to his enemies but loyal to his own! George himself has said this. Daemon is the ultimate grey character!!

@@stj5977 George also has said he would finish his book , so he isn't quite reliable. This quote says more than anything of Daemon and Maegor was quite loyal to his own, until they got on his bad side. "Prince Daemon echoed the queen’s misgivings. Giving pardons to rebels and traitors only sowed the seeds for fresh rebellions, he insisted. “The war will end when the heads of the traitors are mounted on spikes above the King’s Gate, and not before.” Aegon II would be found in time, “hiding under some rock,” but they could and should bring the war to Aemond and Daeron. The Lannisters and Baratheons should be destroyed as well, so their lands and castles might be given to men who had proved more loyal. Grant Storm’s End to Ulf White and Casterly Rock to Hard Hugh Hammer, the prince proposed…to the horror of the Sea Snake. “Half the lords of Westeros will turn against us if we are so cruel as to destroy two such ancient and noble houses,” Lord Corlys said."

@@anarion211983 I'd say the guy that thought up and created the characters and the whole of westerosi is pretty reliable. Yeah. What does that quote prove? That he was savage to his enemies. Like I said. Like every other character in this world. There's literally an interview of George talking about Daemon as a character and why he's one of his favourites. You should watch it. Genuinely. It's a good insight into the character.

@@stj5977 That is what Maegor had done become to cruel , so that most of the lords united against him, Daemon in that quote is proposing similar thing. George can say what he wants, though what he wrote matters much more . and in no way Daemon is grey character- pedo and child murderer are enough for disquieting him. George says that in the interview promoting his book Fire&Blood , which Daemon is big part ( though he rehashed same material three or more times) and also stated that Daemon often changes sides in that conflict which isn't true - he is only ever on his own side.

@@anarion211983 No it's not. Maegors cruelty was hinted at from a young age (probably due to incest) when he cut his horses head off at 11? And when he had all the people who built the red keep slaughtered. Those are hints that he's not a great guy. Whereas Daemon is a GREY character! You very easily dismiss George but it's HIS creation. This is his body of work, and these are his characters! You have no right to take someone else's work and be like 'nah who cares, they're unreliable ' when in fact he's probably the most reliable, no? Seeing as it's HIS WORK! And he's clearly stated that Daemon is one of his favourite characters he created BECAUSE he was so Grey. Look mate, if you really think that then I can't help you. You've missed the whole point of the series. It's not about good vs evil. It's about the effects of war and how power corrupts!!

Cersei would never ever in a million years push for someone else to have more power than her. Her children or not. She tried to turn joffrey against Margrey when it was clear she had little influence over him cause he liked Margrey better. And Then killed Margrey when it was clear that Tommen no longer wanted her around because of Margrey. They were both her children. Both her sons both kings. But wasn't enough. It was never enough for her. And when Lady olenna referred to the queens imprisonment cersei thought Olena was referring to her.

@@lemonadelemon1960 I am sorry you are comparing things happening in the book and show, which are completely different. But your initial point is good. Cersei in the book could not bear someone having even a little authority over her, that is completely correct. In the books Cersei is a straight up narcissist who uses her children as a way to hold on to power, so even her love for them is this sick and possessive. "How dare you hurt *my* children!" Alicent pursuing a course of action which will lead to war and death by trying to get her son to inherit the throne is still very selfish and reckless. If she wanted to live in peace she should not have pressed her son's claim. And Otto's claim that her children will not be safe is wrong, it's paranoid on the face of it.

@@psevdhome Are you sure he's wrong? Rhanera's oldest son was supposed to be heir, remember? They would never have a safe assent to any throne with their legitimatecy constantly in question. And Rhanera's legitimatecy would be in constant question. "The people would sooner put a torch to the realm than see a girl on the throne" those words were said to Rhanera only 2 weeks after she'd become heir BEFORE Aegon was born.I understand she would not want to be a 'kin slayer' but would she be to do? Just like Alicent didn't want to be Queen. Alicent's goal was to follow the original law. That sons come before daughters and daughters can't inherit over a son. Viserys never made it a law nor did he have Aegon or any of his other children swear fealty. Nor did he have his wife Queen Alicent swear to abide by his decision. And so we a civil war. (Not a happy ending)

@@psevdhome Oh. And for your first point about the books, I'm a book reader too. But you can't compare notes with someone who has no idea what the books even say. Not a lot of people read the books. I didn't assume you did because I didn't want to beat you over the head with ' book lore'😭🤣

@@lemonadelemon1960 I believe the "iron clad precedent" of males inheriting before females established at AC 101 is a retcon by the maesters. They are claiming it was the agreed upon way but it really wasn't. Rhaena Targaryen was considered an heir of Aenys as was Jaehaerys. Even after the council Viserys named Rhaenyra heir. If they were supposed to obviously follow the male line, would they not have named Laenor (Jaehaerys eldest' son's grandson) or Daemon rather than Rhaenyra? I am of the opinion that it is only after Rhaenyra that the inheritance rules are *Actually* set in stone. When I say that for Aegon to inherit the only way is war, and once you insist upon Aegon to inherit you cause war. But if you were political and smart and wanted to make sure your children were safe, then you would pacify the lords that want Aegon II to be king, not stoke the flames of rebellion. If you actively make yourself useful to Rhaenyra, you don't have to cause instability in the realm or start a war. I think the accusation that Alicent's children aren't safe is just rationalization to claim you are under threat so you can justify attacking her and usurping the throne. Rhaenyra claims that her children aren't bastards. She has no reason to attack Alicent's children if she wants to pass off her bastards as legitimate. In fact the best way to guarantee that people will question the illegitimacy of your children is to attack Alicent's. If you read the histories you will find that it is Rhaenyra that is constantly questioned and attacked by the Green faction, and even Alicent's children attack Rhaenyra's not the other way round. I think it is all obviously the Greens' powerplay that causes all the problems, not Rhaenyra. I would argue that had Rhaenyra's children been obviously legitimate, the Greens would have still stirred shit and tried to change the heir, because they preferred male rulership. I think that Rhaenyra's personal problems were an excuse to use against her, not an objective problem that destabilized the realm. I believe it is the small council lead by Otto that causes Rhaenyra to be married to Laenor, making sure that her marriage will be troubled, so it is actually intentional scheming that causes Rhaenyra's marriage trouble, not her questionable moral character. The council knew of Laenor's preferences. Lastly I apologize for referring to book vs. show, to imply that you are somehow ignorant. I just do not consider the later half of Game of Thrones to be very reliable when it comes to knowledge of the later story to come. That is personal preference, so not an objective argument.

Okay I’m interested to see how that’s brought up

The only green I liked

I hope they include him in the show.

​@@MrMarvel1991they said he'll be in season 2😊

@@bonnielorraine4145 I am concerned that he might be pushed back until season 3.

Im here to and there are a few others

aemond had a baby, and aegon probably had at least a couple of bastards wandering around.

Knowing what was to follow, having the green line survive would have been the best in the long run

Stannis and Aegon II were lawful rulers rulers sidelined by a bunch of assholes. Stannis by his brother and by the Lannisters, Aegon by his father and his sister. If Renly doesn't come before Stannis, Rhaenyra shouldn't come before her brothers either. If her bastards are "rightful" as well you might as well support Joffrey Baratheon instead of Stannis. Stannis is only consistent when he calls Aegon the rightful king. Because if Aegon wasn't, if the laws of succession are meaningless and liars and pretenders have lawful claims, then neither is Stannis.

I feel the worst for them too

The war began when Aegon was crowned king

@@amitkenan3878 Politically, yes. But Aemond started an entirely new feud.

Well, give him some slack. Lucerys did just maim him. Was it wrong for him to kill Lucerys? Most definitely. Was it understandable? Hell yeah.

That was just a rumor, not actually true

@@Thrawn23. ah, yes, but it’s fun to play devil’s advocate with the ASOIAF rumor mill.

@@brittanyrae5771 true since there are tons of others

Bruh, you can't trust mushroom the big gossip that he is.

Thanks for coming by brother

Daemon was married to Laena during the time.

I do believe Grandpa George used "The Anarchy" as an inspiration for the Dance of the Dragons while the War of the Roses was for Game of Thrones.

I know this is a late reply but so what? Widows law doesn't apply here because a son always takes precedent over a daughter, the only way widow's law would apply here is if the son Viserys had with lived, it would've never applied for Rhaenyra.

They don’t reject male primogeniture they just say that what the king’s say goes as he is the one who effectively makes all the laws. Hence Rhaenyra as the heir.

@@adw8451- The law of primogeniture was in existence LONG before this king. Then again so was monogamy and theclawcnit to shag your closest relatives. In this case the king did not make that law - he *BROKE* it. And by doing so caused the worst war Westeros had ever seen. But every bad thing bears something good. The king also managed to bring about the beginning of the end to both the Targ family and their reign over the continent 👍🏻.

The King is appointed by “God” or “The gods” and speaks and acts by their will therefor he can not break the law as he is the law. If he says that his daughter is to follow him then that is the law. Now if he never said who should be the heir then it would be the law for the closest male heir to be king as the will of the Gods told us long ago but since he did say who should follow him then we can only assume the gods will it so and we should follow it. If the king does not have complete Authority and power then what is the point of even having a king lol the people can not rule themselves lol

@@KingOfWinter - The point of having a king or queen is: it's pointless. Nobody needs them. They need us. As for the law: if someone just pushes old laws aside like that "because I can" and here without ANY necessity then so can EVERYONE. It's occasions like that that show people what they can REALLY do. If only they push aside the law, too. Or ANY restrictions. Which is why Elizabeth I of England was so scared to have Mary Queen of Scots beheaded. If it can be done to Mary, it can be done to Elizabeth, too. Then again, Elizabeth was rather the opposite of Rhaenyra's father... And don't forget that her children were bastards who would have followed her on the throne. So, the decision to make her the successor was anything but wise in more than one way. In the end, whatever a person may consider themselves - they're human. More or less, in this case. Unlike what the Targs believe they aren't that different from others. And herein lies the danger: tear old, firmly installed structures in and the house will come down. The king had a male heir fit to rule and things could have gone smoothly but foolishness is in the Targs genes. It will cause the DOTDragons, the Blackfyre Rebellion and - finally - the Targs downfall.

Not likely since all three were described as having brown hair. eyes, pug nose or "strong, strapping or lusty ". If there were strong genes inherited from her Arryn side they would become evident possibly in children of Aegon III or Viserys II which wasn't the case.

Genetics are weird and Aegon had recessive genes since he was a child of Rhaenyra and Daemon. I don’t know if the kids are illegitimate but can you blame her when her husband is not sexually attracted to her and won’t even consummate the marriage for the sake of heirs. She was forced to marry him or else he wouldn’t have been her choice.

how do you explain harwin strongs nose on all 3 of them then?

What aspects would u like us to further discuss I know we need to dive into Cole but suggestions are appreciated and thank u for the support 🙂

@@TopShelfFandomVids his role outlined and impact on the story of the dance

That's true, but by the law of gods and men, Aegon is heir. Male promegeniture is the way to go there was already a precedent with that with King Jaehaerys. In that sense, Rhaenyra is the usurper.

​​@@chrisanderson7258that's not true. The Kings word is law. He made his daughter his heir. Lords knelt and swore allegiance. She was by law the rightful heir 🤷

Jaehaerys couldn't abdicate even if he wanted to. The lords that sided with him to take down Maegor won't allow it. It's the law, after all. Why do you think their willing to fight for him? They saw a chance for a claimant king to take down a tyrant. Besides, I thought it was Aerea who he named heir, not Rhaena?

You do know that Daemon will be like Maegor, right? Maybe not to that extent, but close enough. He'll be a terrible king.

this is an underrated comment, because the velaryons were overstepping from the get go. they were basically asking the targaryens to give them the throne and give them their dragons. i dont care how much money you have, you cant buy the throne and you cant buy a dragon. viserys was a weak man that didnt have the baIIs to say no and make his son heir.

That's true, but Rhaenyra isn't actually a good sister either. She might not hate him, but she sure as hell doesn't love him. She's probably distant and cold towards him.

How is abortion unselfish?

The person who took it out was five, so yeah, it’s his fault.

A child just coming out of toddlerhood took a ten year old Aemonds eye out