There is curving the bill of your hat, then there is what you're doing.

anyone who “creates” never stops thinking. the work is part of you. I stare at TVs at bars breaking down the commercials; animations, lighting, framing, shot sequence, color, style… it’s gotten worse when I started doing 3D 😂

you are not wrong, I have actually solved coding problems by dreaming about them.

I just started to study computer science this year, and I'm not going to lie... The amout of information is absurd, but there is this particular feeling of being capable of creating things that keeps pushing me.

The learning and problem solving never ends

Anyone who is a serious programmer does that thinking about problem even in shower talking to himself then trying to write the code relatable

Thanks for the vid, great insights and your words came at a pivotal time in my own job. Never give up Greetings from Denmark

Agree with everything you've said (although not a software engineer yet ). I've done lucid coding or code simulations while staring at my microwave meals through the glass for my studies. Also, there's the other side where you finish a task in 30 minutes because of all the experience prior to your programming experience. Thanks for the down-to-earth view on software!

I resonate so much with finding myself drifting back to my work problems during my free time haha, it's fun but also I try to be aware of it and not let it stress me out too much. great video, very enjoyable watch!

In California, there is an overtime exception for software development. So long as your employer pays you $54 an hour or more, you can be forced to work over 40 hours a week, even 80 or 100 hours per week, WITHOUT being paid overtime. IT professionals are exempt from this, and must be paid overtime.

software development is a hard job. I've been doing it for 8 years and at the moment I feel burned out, I feel like I need to get to management position or start a business, or change careers in the next 5 years because I will get too sick of it.

When I have a difficult problem, I often think about it late at night in bed and the solution just pops into my head seemingly out of nowhere....It's really weird. I work in the San Francisco Bay Area and have been a software engineer for over 20 years.

I would say this works for some of IT and security as well. I’m always working in a way.

I started game dev a few months ago and I'm new to programming since last year, this is the exact mindset I have, even when I stop, my mind is consumed by the problems I am trying to solve, I enjoy the process so it doesn't really bother me too much, but it is hard sometimes to fall asleep.

You ABSOLUTELY do not need to put in that much extra. I work less than 40 on average, because I'm remote and I simply do my tasks then stop working. Sometimes I'll fill that time with extra research/training/learning, and sometimes I won't. But the only time I work outside of typical 9-5 hours is during crunch for a big new feature, and it's not very often that that happens.

spitting that fire !

Most jobs will have you thinking or working on them outside of the 40 hour work week that’s good thing if it’s isn’t causing too much stress but it shows you care.

It boils down to this… coding is a 24/7 live style

The more you learn the better you get at making predictions about future outcomes…and let’s be honest…that can get pretty freakin fun when you are really good at making predictions and seeing solutions faster than other people. People look at you like “how did you know that?!” lol I enjoy that.

the interface between "work time" and "free time" differs for every profession especially when it mostly involves thinking

Yea his hat got some good points too

If you like what's behind rust you should try zig

Can't quantify your work hours, cause in this job, you're still working even when you're not sitting in front of the computer and coding

I knew software engineering wasn't for me anymore after I worked so much my thoughts would start drifting mid conversation with other people. They call my attention and ask if I was listening at all and I always had to say sorry and reply I was think about my job. It wasn't even bringing me satisfaction because finishing a project for a company or client is not the same as working on your own personal aspirations and needs. The stress wasn't worth the money either since your drive usually dips past the early years. Now I'm working on my career as an artist and doing software dev for my own. It's a lot more rewarding this way although my income has yet to reach the same level as when I was working in the field.

If the feature I'm developing at work is more interesting than what I have going on on the side, I would literally do overtime without any care.

is kind the same of a medical field...always looking for new ways, studies, papers, etc..

Pro tip: get into product based company and over time job will get easier and easier to the point where you'll only work few hours per week and that's also more of auto pilot mode.

Its the folks with a 9-5 mentality who ask dumb questions like that. If youre doing something you enjoy, like youre a concept artist or a 3D modeler/animator for a game studio, or youre the lead game programmer, you will work 18 hours in one day if needed because you take pride in what you do and want to make something good.

but what makes any of this exclusive to swe

The angle of the shot and camera positioning is interesting. I think this is kind of a dangerous admission especially as the companies we work for increasingly try to take ownership of our "side" work while under contract with them. I had the skills before I was hired, any time I spend developing outside of work is going towards my future regardless of the company I work for. It simply sounds like the failure to disengage many people experience during their first, maybe 5 years of remote work. I've been doing this so long I know better to disengage even while I'm working. Fuck it.

no decent work in life is done with only 40 hours of work. ofcourse some people are able to achieve more by working less but only after working 50 hours a wee for a few years.

agree

First 2 minutes, I hard agree, I work 9-5, but the actual work takes tops 3-4 hours, then the rest of the day, up to the moment I go to sleep, i am continuously thinking about code trying out stuff in my personal time for personal projects, opening the laptop and running the algorithm through the day... would anybody ask me how many hours a day I do "work" in my criteria it's about 13 hours, and I absolutely love what I do.

combine two jobs

Watch out for "the more work you do, the more work you get". I seen co-worker that rushed to complete their task because they wanted to leave early, only for manager to assign a second task, which they basically stayed late for to finish.... I seen coworker getting more and more task assigned until they reached a break point of starting to yell at team meetings, that's why the manager back off a bit. Work will treat you like a tire, and wear you out and replace you.

What do you think about product management? Is it a good career option

Bro has all the screen space.

Don't worry, you are not the first to have this question, nor is your profession any different then other professions. You are not that special. What is different at this point in your life is that you are starting to question your commitment, and you'll soon to understand what is important in life. Once this happens, your life will be easier, and you'll start to live. Others, young as you are now will come to your place, biting hard, until they get to the same point as you. It is normal cycle. I'have 20+ years in engineering, and I've seen this transition with my colleagues and myself. Just don't worry, everything will come to you in time, when the time is right. Wear sunscreen.

I am so tired of these over expectations for software engineers 😂, do electricians or mechanical guys or any other hands on trade do ANY work at home outside being on site? Just because you're working at home or working with non tangible tools does NOT mean you do unplain work... Sure an electrician or mechanical guy cant really work at home since they do work onsite but ur keyboard is not any different than an eletriticians chip they wprk onsite.. or mech guy's 3d printer at work those guys get home, rest and wait until the next day to work. School, and or self teaching is the only time you slave yourself away to learn. If your working overtime to keep up with a job your either under skilled or have too much responsibilities. There is NO reason you have to work more than 40hrs unless your IN management. All this over expectation for this field is absurd, your slaving yourself for a company that will replace you for a half ass working engineer producing similar output. If anything the best engineers Ive met pace themselfs and dont overburn for anything!! The work is not going to run 😂 there is more work than time in a day so quality over quanity. You should be paid for learning at work because that's PART of the job nothing more or less. To all you novice/intermediate guys out there just pace yourself and dont get looped in this rate race. Last time I checked 2 engineers with 4yrs of experience rougly produce similar quality work so slaving yourself ur 4yrs or pacing yourself really does NOT matter in the long run all that much. I mean sure you could get the experience faster but why the rush? Your going to work the rest of your life anyway unless you get out the 9-5 rate race. Work your 40hrs and call it a day, eat healthy, take care of yourself and you'll be fine. All these toxic work environment and culture expectation people to work overtime all the time is absurd. We do NOT make our engineers work anymore than 40hrs and have just been doing fine- dont do a managers work unless your paid like one. Go find your nearest senior manager and ask them if younger them would be in a rush to get to that position.... the money stops to matter after a few years it just becomes work with a lot of stress so dont hurry yourself there 😂 work will never go away so long as software has go be maintained, improved and utilized by people - SK.

Thats why I left programing and went for other stuff. Tired of working and studying 80 hours week besides over the nigh deploys etc

Im a SWE and while I agree with you I dont think the having to think about your work outside of your work hours is at all unique to software engineering, it probably goes for all professions that require some planning / logical thinking. Am i wrong?

The study outside of work I view more as bettering yourself rather than unpaid labor outside of work

I’m at a point in my life where I want to go back to school and get a job in tech but I’m scared with all the advances in ai …my question is should I go to school for CS

what’s your main monitor

You don’t get good by only working 40 hours a week

You guys need to learn about the “subconscious mind”. You’ve mentioned it in the comments but seem to not be aware it even exists.

Great video, wouldnt have clicked if not for the clickbait, I am not being sarcastic

Sucks even more if you live in a third world country like me working for a US client. They pay me $15 an hour for serious dev work. Underpaid as fuck, but I have no choice.

Love the curved monitor bro! Where did you get it? Also big fan of the channel!

People who don’t have heavy mental jobs can’t relate, which sucks sometimes Especially when I try to date women. Outside of work I am always learning/working In this field you MUST keep learning and in taking information

If you're a cook and you make yourself dinner at home, are you working?

You can just chatgpt instead of thinking nowadays

Listen at 1.25X speed = Get less depressed as you listen. Thank me later.

swe industry is sick

the collapse of my gyatt

All this just to get laid off. F this field.

Ai thinks in seconds, so I'd say you better work harder