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The Combo That Made Me Give Up DMing

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@DnDShorts Жыл бұрын
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@masterhand1998
@masterhand1998 Жыл бұрын
Love the idea but wouldn't work at my table. Sentinel reads: "When you hit a creature with an **opportunity attack**, the creature's speed becomes 0" whereas Warcaster reads: "When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, **rather** than making an opportunity attack." Per that EXACT wording, casting a spell does NOT count as an opportunity attack and wouldn't trigger the speed reduction aspect of sentinel. However, this ruling on the wording opens up some terrifying combos by combining sentinel and warcaster with booming blade. An opportunity attack occurs after a creature has committed to move but before movement occurs. Thus, you strike a creature with a spell that punishes movement right before their movement! 😅 Anyways, sorry to be a "rules lawyer". Love what you do, keep up the good work! Edit: Apparently, while no errata for this change exists, dnd beyond says you can cast a spell **as** an opportunity attack when you take this feat. Thus, the official ruling is unclear.
@bungerroyale112
@bungerroyale112 Жыл бұрын
The player was creative and read the rules, it's really annoying but also damn clever
@jameswebb4545
@jameswebb4545 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t think you could use Warcaster on the PAM incoming attack. It was intended to be used with the Polearm. It wouldn’t be too different though - just use the ability and then on your turn move away.
@HANGMANProject
@HANGMANProject Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately warcaster specifies that no spell can be chosen that has the possibility of targeting multiple creatures. Eldritch blast is incompatible
@DnDShorts
@DnDShorts Жыл бұрын
@@HANGMANProject This is a common misconception, but Warcaster simply says that the spell must target only one creature. Twinned Spell is the feature that demands only one creature can be targetted! That in mind, I could have limited this combo at the time by ruling that Sentinel didn't trigger on the Warcaster spell, but to be honest I'm happy I missed that at the time, it was a much funnier session as a result.
@ee5142
@ee5142 Жыл бұрын
"One must imagine the clay golem happy"
@jacobburnell3792
@jacobburnell3792 10 ай бұрын
FUCK
@Baes_Theorem
@Baes_Theorem 9 ай бұрын
Best comment
@graztriton8431
@graztriton8431 7 ай бұрын
Everything seems fine till that Eldritch blast knocks the clay golem arm off and starts to chuck the arm
@NA-nz9lv
@NA-nz9lv 7 ай бұрын
that's the funniest shit I've read all week, thank you for this even if I'm 5 months late
@formidableplays4750
@formidableplays4750 6 ай бұрын
Nooo... I wanted to comment that 😢
@KorgCrimson
@KorgCrimson Жыл бұрын
"I made this channel shortly afterwards" had me rolling. Did not expect this to turn into an origin story.
@adfdasdfadfadsfareae
@adfdasdfadfadsfareae Жыл бұрын
Now he spreads his misery to other DMs.
@dazeen9591
@dazeen9591 Жыл бұрын
Too bad this channel sucks ass too with tons of misinformation
@CS-zn6pp
@CS-zn6pp Жыл бұрын
That has to be the most toxic D&D group ever...
@dazeen9591
@dazeen9591 Жыл бұрын
@@CS-zn6pp DnDshorts is one of the worst DnD content creators to have ever existed. Everyone with a brain agrees he is like top 3 worst DnD channels
@Username-cs1bi
@Username-cs1bi Жыл бұрын
@@CS-zn6pp or more like the DM just couldn't improvise. The player paid 3 feats to make niche build that is countered by simple ranged attack, either let them have their fun (y'know coz that's your job as the DM) or improvise and make your clay golem can throw rocks to give them challenge.
@mahj03
@mahj03 Жыл бұрын
"Clay golem sudenly remembers it can cast Power Word kill"
@doughboy_6439
@doughboy_6439 3 ай бұрын
"I have 101 HP" "the golem punches you in the face for 1 damage first. Then it casts POWER WORD KILL."
@thatpunkcatte
@thatpunkcatte Күн бұрын
@@doughboy_6439 Can't punch you in the face for 1 damage. Eldritch blayaaast
@Cookie_85
@Cookie_85 Күн бұрын
@@thatpunkcatte The Golem throws a rock at you for 1 damage and then casts powerword kill.
@DragTheDecimator
@DragTheDecimator Жыл бұрын
War Caster actually says "you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature *rather than making an opportunity attack*." since Sentinel says "*When you hit a creature with an opportunity attack*, its speed becomes 0...", War Caster cannot trigger Sentinel, as it specifically says what you are doing is *not* an opportunity attack, but rather in place of one.
@williamknox6648
@williamknox6648 8 ай бұрын
This precisely. Folks don't actually read the interactions and are flummoxed when broken shit happens
@austinjeffries5741
@austinjeffries5741 8 ай бұрын
That and Polearm Master specifically says "A Reach Weapon attack."
@williamknox6648
@williamknox6648 8 ай бұрын
@@austinjeffries5741 yeppers
@GuilhermeHenrique-rg2cy
@GuilhermeHenrique-rg2cy 8 ай бұрын
@@austinjeffries5741 except it doesn't?? the warcaster + sentinel is right tho, but polearm master doesnt say that
@austinjeffries5741
@austinjeffries5741 8 ай бұрын
@@GuilhermeHenrique-rg2cy It does
@chrisjacobs4716
@chrisjacobs4716 Жыл бұрын
Frustrated, the golem begins taking balls of clay from its body and hurling them at the player from range. Round after round the golem continues to diminish itself, shrinking over time and losing its strength and health along the way. Eventually, this tiny creature reaches the size of a small glass vial. Does the player kill it or adopt it as a pet?
@gormold4163
@gormold4163 Жыл бұрын
Good thing it can only do that twice
@chrisjacobs4716
@chrisjacobs4716 Жыл бұрын
@gormold4163 why only twice? It's creator might have been extra generous with extra balls.. or would that be a nut golem?
@jonathancummins6234
@jonathancummins6234 Жыл бұрын
Or picking up massive rocks and throwing them
@Null041
@Null041 Жыл бұрын
Or throw other golems
@Arkainjel
@Arkainjel Жыл бұрын
This is just that Mega Man boss, Yellow Devil
@thod-thod
@thod-thod Жыл бұрын
It tears off its arm and wields it in the other hand, giving it a range of 15ft and increased damage in exchange for hp reduction.
@Drekromancer
@Drekromancer Жыл бұрын
Huge. Tremendous, even. Modern problems require modern solutions.
@eafigarella
@eafigarella Жыл бұрын
Won't work for Long. You can't move, and he pushed you with a reaction. Now, when he hits, he pushes you further, so it is a slaughter.
@Calebgoblin
@Calebgoblin Жыл бұрын
​@@eafigarellathey said range of 15ft, which would be outside of the PC's range
@johnsanchez9944
@johnsanchez9944 Жыл бұрын
​@@Calebgoblin for polearm master. But during their turn theyre STILL slamming 10-20ft because of eldricth blast.
@thod-thod
@thod-thod Жыл бұрын
@@johnsanchez9944 but they can still walk now
@Jarikraider
@Jarikraider Жыл бұрын
Randomly reminded me of Assassin's Creed when the guards will just throw rocks when you're climbing out of reach.
@Ramschat
@Ramschat Жыл бұрын
This only works if your DM bends the rules for the rule of cool, because: War Caster *replaces* your opportunity attack with a spell, so sentinel doesn't trigger anymore if you do that. EDIT: I'm just pointing out you should discuss this with your DM beforehand, don't assume that this works according to the rules as written. I'm not saying that bending the rules for the rule of cool is a bad thing, and if your DM allows this, it's all cool
@Herpaderple
@Herpaderple 11 ай бұрын
yeah the DM gave up because they allowed something to work that if they took 1 minute to read they would see it was not actually possible.
@animateddream1035
@animateddream1035 9 ай бұрын
Ngl, you guys sound like it would really suck to play DND with you
@Ramschat
@Ramschat 9 ай бұрын
@@animateddream1035 And you sound like an entitled powergamer
@animateddream1035
@animateddream1035 9 ай бұрын
@@Ramschat I let my players do whatever they want because whether they're min/maxing/powergaming or not. They should have fun. That's the whole point. I said what I said because you seem like you have shit attitudes and are constantly grumpy. Imagine playing a game of imaginary wizards with ppl who think it's serious business, lol. If players want to powergame just get better at DMing
@eagleye2893
@eagleye2893 7 ай бұрын
​@@RamschatBetter Powergaming then letting the DM make every situation a Slog Fest because they felt litigious enough to let it be by the book all the time.
@EeveeWoot
@EeveeWoot Жыл бұрын
"What is my purpose?" Killing Clay Golems. "Oh my god..."
@crestianroxas4782
@crestianroxas4782 Жыл бұрын
more like "bring it on."😎
@Haveuseenmyjetpack
@Haveuseenmyjetpack Жыл бұрын
Haha nice
@cleo3228
@cleo3228 Жыл бұрын
The golem proceeds to pick up a boulder, hurling it at the player
@DragoSmash
@DragoSmash 6 ай бұрын
this, this is exactly what i thought, as a DM it's our job to improvise if one of the players absolutely counters one of the bosses, improvise the golem notices he isn't able to reach the Warlock to slap him, so he proceeds to pick up rocks and throw them at the Warlock
@Darkvalentine333
@Darkvalentine333 5 ай бұрын
​@@DragoSmashnah, it's called "let your players have their moment". It's one fight. Let them feel accomplished for their clever combo.
@DragoSmash
@DragoSmash 5 ай бұрын
@@Darkvalentine333 "letting your players have their moment" it's something that, while fair, needs to be done sparingly, and in the correct situation i approve of letting the players feel good for an investment in a clever combo, but the DM also has to be smart to let them
@stock_movie1875
@stock_movie1875 5 ай бұрын
​@@Darkvalentine333 Sadly this combo breaks at war caster because it REPLACES your opportunity attack with a ranged spell attack so sentinel doesn't trigger.
@bringthedoom
@bringthedoom Жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, every time i actually watch you describe one of your "broken" combos, im immediately reminded not everyone understands the rules
@wanderer5438
@wanderer5438 10 ай бұрын
Meaning?
@miguelangel58516
@miguelangel58516 10 ай бұрын
​@@wanderer5438sentinel only works if you hit the Melee Weapon Attack, and with warcaster you're using a Ranged Spell Attack, like Eldritch Blast.
@shirleyjoking
@shirleyjoking 10 ай бұрын
Actually 🤓 what they did followed the rules. The first line in sentinel reads that if you hit an enemy with an attack of opportunity, their speed is reduced to zero. Then on pole arm master, when an enemy reaches your weapon's reach. You can take an attack of opportunity (no mentions that it has to be the pole arm btw). Finally with war caster, which reads that instead of an opportunity attack you can instead cast a spell. Meaning they all proc off each other pretty well. However. You can make the argument since the feat reads that you are making a spell attack instead of attack of opportunity (as it states in war caster feat). It doesn't proc sentinel.
@bringthedoom
@bringthedoom 10 ай бұрын
@@shirleyjoking actually, Opportunity Attack reads in the PHB "You can make an opportunity attack when a hostile creature that you can see moves out of your reach. To make the opportunity attack, you use your reaction to make one melee attack against the provoking creature. The attack occurs right before the creature leaves your reach." And War Caster reads "when a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature." Clearly you make a melee attack with what is provoking the Opportunity Attack. Clearly War Caster states "cast a spell, instead of making an opportunity attack" Shirley you agree?
@shirleyjoking
@shirleyjoking 10 ай бұрын
@@bringthedoom I literally said that at the end That you can indeed argue that point. So yes I do agree. And ultimately would end up on the dm to decide. But if the player goes all into this play style sinking in 3 feats and forgoing ASI's and other broken fears such as elven accuracy, gwm, sharpshooter, and the likes. It's not that bad. Since if the enemy is range. None of that matters lmao
@L337P1R4735
@L337P1R4735 Жыл бұрын
"The clay golem picks up a giant rock and throws it at you."
@booleah6357
@booleah6357 Жыл бұрын
That was my thought too. Any heavy hitting ranged combatant could know the warlocks teeth out.
@fasmir5688
@fasmir5688 Жыл бұрын
Well you better hope that heavy rock was right where you landed cuz 0 movement speed means you cant walk over to it
@L337P1R4735
@L337P1R4735 Жыл бұрын
@@fasmir5688 "the golem bends over and tears up a chunk of the earth which he heaves at you" or even "the golem rips a chunk of his torso out and hurls it at you, please roll a dex save or take 1d10 damage and be blinded by the mud" my point was the problem presented only holds up if you assume what's printed on the monsters stat block are the only options the DM has.
@booleah6357
@booleah6357 Жыл бұрын
@@fasmir5688 plenty of other ranged attacks exist. Also it wouldn't need to carry the same rock. This strategy is good but it's just a slightly different take on the classic sentinel/polearm master build from the inception of 5e. It really only gets kinda crazy if you want to ghostlance with echo knight.
@shadowstep1375
@shadowstep1375 Жыл бұрын
@@fasmir5688warcaster doesn’t count as an opportunity attack. It actually says so on the feat itself.
@nicholasfoster2564
@nicholasfoster2564 Жыл бұрын
Lesson learned: always give your boss/solo monsters a ranged attack.
@rory8182
@rory8182 Жыл бұрын
or backup, two weaker clay golems would win here
@nicholasfoster2564
@nicholasfoster2564 Жыл бұрын
@rory8182 also a good option. I still think your boss monster should have some way to affect people from far away. It's kinda awkward if the centrepiece of the encounter spends a whole turn doing nothing.
@shadowsnake5133
@shadowsnake5133 Жыл бұрын
Or the ability to improvise, like say throwing rocks. It's a clay golem, it could probably chuck rocks pretty hard, and make them either by hitting the ground hard, making difficult terrain, or from itself, perhaps hindering player movement because clay is sticky. This makes both opponents now have to be careful about each other's ranges, rather than just giving up.
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes Жыл бұрын
Honestly, almost all 1v1 encounters end very poorly for the "boss" monster for this reason. It's just not a very good format for a D&D encounter at all. Either one side stomps the other, or if the fight seems evenly matched, there is a high chance that the player will get frustrated by bad dice rolls. In my opinion the very first mistake was deciding to do this as a 1v1. The second mistake was not looking at the Warlock's character sheet. But yes, this is a very cheesy build that arguably doesn't even work RAW.
@nicholasfoster2564
@nicholasfoster2564 Жыл бұрын
@CrizzyEyes that's usually true. If I wanted to do a 1v1 scenario I probably wouldn't do it as a by-the-books combat. Maybe something like a rock paper scissors style mini game.
@andrewx8888
@andrewx8888 Жыл бұрын
Suddenly the golem breaks into two smaller golems, and begin approaching you.
@leonardorolingstella8554
@leonardorolingstella8554 2 ай бұрын
This golem plays way too much Minecraft
@DarkKnightKaraco
@DarkKnightKaraco Жыл бұрын
Golem pauses. Bends over and rips a stone tile out of the floor. Starts throwing them at the warlock relentlessly.
@Knuffeldraak
@Knuffeldraak 10 ай бұрын
Or throw sand in the target's face. Now he has to chuck eldritch blasts with disadvantage.
@Scipiooipics
@Scipiooipics Жыл бұрын
According to the description of warcaster, you can cast a spell INSTEAD of making an opportunity attack. Ergo the eldritch blast would not trigger sentinel
@Ruiso7
@Ruiso7 Жыл бұрын
I think it only replaces the attack with a spell not the whole attack of opportunity reaction.
@Sephiroth517
@Sephiroth517 Жыл бұрын
@@Ruiso7 it clearly say "you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature rather than making an opportunity attack". Hardly more explicit.
@thatoneguy-yc1sj
@thatoneguy-yc1sj Жыл бұрын
​@@Sephiroth517I'd rule that it can still move then since the opportunity attack is what reduces the movement.
@Sephiroth517
@Sephiroth517 Жыл бұрын
@@thatoneguy-yc1sj which is already how it's supposed to be ruled, since the opportunity attack reducing the movement never actually happened, and therefore never hit.
@adamgilmor1098
@adamgilmor1098 Жыл бұрын
dude, it totally works with cantrips & has been covered in sage advice, basically "spell" includes everything, "leveled spell" includes levels 1 & up
@cerveau24
@cerveau24 Жыл бұрын
DM: "It starts tearing building stones off the arena and hurling them at you" Player: *chuckles* I'm in danger!
@taigenraine
@taigenraine Жыл бұрын
I had a dm who got pissed with just polearm master and Sentinel, no eldeitch blast warcaster. He told me to never make that again. I was like... archers, spells, more than one opponent, high AC... SO many ways around that combo...
@seasnaill2589
@seasnaill2589 10 ай бұрын
Have the monster take the dodge action before closing in, making the monster focus another party member once it realizes it can't affect the player, *make the monster throw boulders* like. If you can't adapt to your players strategy should you be DM'ing?
@burgernthemomrailer
@burgernthemomrailer 9 ай бұрын
DMs who complain about flying characters when they realise they can just give the enemies a crossbow:
@ddynamite3835
@ddynamite3835 8 ай бұрын
let's be honest if your using feat combos like this you are intentionally exploiting rules as written which for some games is perfectly fine but different DMs have their own style and if you cannot respect that some may not like that intentionally breaking the mechanics of the game style of play then maybe you should look for a different game or have a conversation about expectations@@seasnaill2589
@SpectralKnight
@SpectralKnight 7 ай бұрын
​@@burgernthemomrailerwhen I complain about flying characters it is never combat related. It is always exploration and dungeon/puzzles related
@stock_movie1875
@stock_movie1875 5 ай бұрын
​@@SpectralKnightimpose a higher DC for them because of height
@HaloVenom
@HaloVenom 8 ай бұрын
*the clay golem throws pieces of its self at you, annoyed with you*
@capolol5976
@capolol5976 Жыл бұрын
Warcaster's reaction spell isn't an opportunity attack, it replaces one with a spell, so it doesn't trigger sentinel's movement speed debuff. This combo doesn't really work, unless the DM is cool with it/doesn't know how those two feats interact with each other.
@dakotaanderson7906
@dakotaanderson7906 Жыл бұрын
Whether or not it works doesn't really matter when they get pushed back up to 80 feet every round.
@capolol5976
@capolol5976 Жыл бұрын
@@dakotaanderson7906 true, forgot to take that into account :v
@sillyking1991
@sillyking1991 Жыл бұрын
it actually does matter...quite a bit. well, it can matter, clay golems are slow enough that you don't actually need tricks like this to kite it indefinitely. (20ft) but beyond that... first of all the 80 feet only applies at level 17+ which this wasn't. second: if a creature is still able to move, it has options. it can dash, for instance, to try to close that gap and if it can get within melee range of you (after the warcaster combo), even having used its action to dash. now you're at disadvantage to attack with EB *and* you potentially provoke an opportunity attack if you want to move away. 3rd: some creatures have enough movement that being pushed back 10-20 feet wouldn't be enough to stop them even with just their regular movement. thus allowing them to still get their action off. and now that they're in melee, if you want to EB them away, you're at disadvantage. @@dakotaanderson7906
@sergioordonez841
@sergioordonez841 Жыл бұрын
Look bro Wizards developers and writers are not harvard grad lawyers. It’s not a computer code with fixed labels- it replaced the op attack with a spell; I.e you can use a spell but it’s still an op attack. RAW and rules as intended they interact fine. The writers are not disney lawyers jesus.
@capolol5976
@capolol5976 Жыл бұрын
@@sergioordonez841 "When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack" It clearly states that you're not using your reaction for an opportunity attack but casting a spell instead and reads like it's intended to be treated like that.
@dman1456
@dman1456 Жыл бұрын
This is absolutely bonkers. Absolutely insane. But I may possibly have a wild, incomprehensible solution. 2 clay golems
@johncox7169
@johncox7169 Жыл бұрын
Even 2 Clay Golems aren't really enough, because they are naturally slow (move speed of 20.) So you repelling blast 1 of them far enough away on your turn that it can't dash and get next to you (use your own movement to walk away if necessary after doing at least 1 push) then use the PAM/WC combo to push the other one away when it gets too close.
@dman1456
@dman1456 Жыл бұрын
@@johncox7169 you only have one reaction per turn. If they're coming up together, then you get to choose one to stop, and one that gets to attack you. It ain't hard. Further, my solution is pretty clearly a sarcastically simple one. If you really wanna balance against this, just take a lower CR monster and use like 5 of them.
@orutakawatenga8820
@orutakawatenga8820 3 күн бұрын
That battle sounds like a tutorial level for the player's character on a longer-term campaign.
@BeastKing00
@BeastKing00 11 ай бұрын
"The crackling energy of your repeated eldritch blasts have burnished the clay of the golem's exterior to a mirror finish.. beware!"
@Ruiso7
@Ruiso7 Жыл бұрын
Should have given the golems some range options. Like throwing stones, rocks and debri at them.
@Aredel
@Aredel Жыл бұрын
“I shoot the stones”
@makotoxchihiroyaoifangirl8409
@makotoxchihiroyaoifangirl8409 Жыл бұрын
Fun fact, takeing the disengage action before approaching someone with polearm master prevents them from taking an opportunity attack as you approach them. If it uses it haste action, on the next turn it can disengage, approach the warlock and use a slam attack as a bonus action.
@Ruiso7
@Ruiso7 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunatelly... sentinel ignores the disengage action when you need to do an attack of opportunity...
@breenaj1095
@breenaj1095 Жыл бұрын
​@@Ruiso7technically speaking, the sentinel feat specifies "if they take the disengage action before leaving your reach". Nothing about taking the disengage action while entering your range. So I'd say it's up to DM ruling as to how the feats interact and what would work.
@chadnorris8257
@chadnorris8257 Жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking. Disengage or dodge to avoid getting hit, until you eventually corner the caster, and beat him over the head.
@July-gj1st
@July-gj1st Жыл бұрын
Problem here is action economy. Yeah sure the golem can disengage or even take the dodge action before approaching. However then all the warlock needs to do is leave the range as well (they could even Misty step) and just hit the golem from afar while pushing them farther away with repelling blast.
@sscspas
@sscspas Жыл бұрын
​@@July-gj1stthey wouldn't even need to disengage, as the shove from repelling blast on their turn would move it out of melee range again, meaning that it would have to disengage on its turn again to get closer
@Alovatololo
@Alovatololo Жыл бұрын
That day a villain was born. And it's name was Clay Golem Face.
@sigvardr7682
@sigvardr7682 Жыл бұрын
DM's be going into a coma when a character invests 3 feats and a majority of their options into being able to shut down a single monster that relies on melee only My brother in DND, you decide the combat encounters
@deimos39
@deimos39 10 ай бұрын
It was a oneshot. The Player probably knew his matchup
@shotgunammo
@shotgunammo 10 ай бұрын
@@deimos39 they usually don't, either way why would you make a pure melee boss with zero ranged options lol, let alone the dm could just use...disengage, idk 'literally impossible' I guess
@stock_movie1875
@stock_movie1875 5 ай бұрын
​@@shotgunammoalso he forgot how those 3 feats work. If you chain sentinel off pole arm master you can't chain war caster. And vise versa.
@Himmaniac666
@Himmaniac666 Жыл бұрын
"The Golem throws a rock"
@666Vampirefromhell
@666Vampirefromhell Жыл бұрын
I gotta respect the use of Going Postal footage for the golem. Bravo
@thelastfaeinthewoods
@thelastfaeinthewoods Жыл бұрын
A felow Pratchett fanatic!
@666Vampirefromhell
@666Vampirefromhell Жыл бұрын
@@thelastfaeinthewoods There's not enough of us in this world.
@iamdoom9810
@iamdoom9810 8 ай бұрын
Clay Golem: Pulls out a chunk of itself and hurls it at the Warlock
@thornleif1908
@thornleif1908 25 күн бұрын
Golem picks up a boulder and throws it in the warlock's face.
@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar
@Mr_Maiq_The_Liar Жыл бұрын
Note: War caster lets you replace your opportunity attack with a spell. Not use a spell as an opportunity attack. Meaning it is no longer an opportunity attack and does not trigger sentinel. Of course, they can always get Lance of lethargy to slow them down and then just run away during their turn.
@nayber2352
@nayber2352 10 ай бұрын
You also get disadvantage on the melee range Eldritch blasts
@olluine
@olluine 10 ай бұрын
​@@nayber2352nope, with polearm master you can have reach of 10 feet Which triggers Opportunity Attack and disadvantage comes from enemy getting to range of 5ft
@ColeTrainStudio
@ColeTrainStudio 10 ай бұрын
@@nayber2352 Not until the golem gets with 5ft of the warlock. RAW from the PHB: Aiming a ranged attack is more difficult when a foe is next to you. When you make a ranged attack with a weapon, a spell, or some other means, you have disadvantage on the attack roll if you are within 5 feet of a hostile creature who can see you and who isn’t incapacitated. Many DMs would probably rule that it's being within melee range of a hostile creature that counts (as I would), but RAW, disadvantage only happens within 5ft, not the melee range of the hostile creature. The enemy's reach doesn't matter. Additionally, clay golems only have a reach of 5ft, while the polearm being used likely has 10ft reach, so the EB would go off before the warlock is within the clay golem melee range.
@loganavila1401
@loganavila1401 10 ай бұрын
While I personally wouldn’t do it, one could also argue that eldritch blast wouldn’t work with war caster because war caster requires the spell to only target the creature that provoked the opportunity attack, and Eldritch Blast is technically capable of targeting more than one creature. If you rule that war caster follows the same targeting rule as the twinned spell meta magic, eldritch blast would not be able to be used with it.
@jkelleyk
@jkelleyk 9 ай бұрын
@@loganavila1401I remember seeing a thing on Sage Advicd that EB does work as long as you target all at the same target
@Kadir759
@Kadir759 Жыл бұрын
How I’d rule this is might fix that, and is based on the wording of the feats. Sentinel: When you hit a creature with an opportunity attack, the creature's speed becomes 0 War caster: you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. Sentinel requires the opportunity attack, but War caster *replaces* the opportunity attack with a spell. They’d still get the cast off, but it wouldn’t stop their movement speed. Hope this helps, I guess.
@Olav_Hansen
@Olav_Hansen Жыл бұрын
I would simply ignore the Sentinel feat, but this still makes kiting really, really effective. Disengage, move 30ft, have your reaction hit to force golem to dash, disengage again.
@Akbar_and_Shaa
@Akbar_and_Shaa Жыл бұрын
​@@Olav_Hansenignoring it seems pretty lazy and frankly dumb on a dms part. It literally only works on something with only melee attacks and if you miss your reaction all three feats are useless its a pretty balanced and tame combo
@Sephiroth517
@Sephiroth517 Жыл бұрын
Well, it's not a "fix", it's RAW, when using the Warcaster feat's effect, you do NOT make an opportunity attack at all.
@williamwontiam3166
@williamwontiam3166 Жыл бұрын
I mean, this makes it weaker, but it’s also worth pointing out that this lowers the requisites for this combo as well. I’d be curious to see how this tactic works out against an opponent with ranged attacks though.
@Mightisright100
@Mightisright100 Жыл бұрын
I came here to say this exact thing.
@memelescream4796
@memelescream4796 8 ай бұрын
And for their turn, they take the dodge action. No throwing mud for the golem!
@ikkeheltvanlig
@ikkeheltvanlig 6 ай бұрын
Wow nice. I would have leant so hard into that, painted a picture of how crazy this is and changed the path of the story based on the reputation gained from the spectacle witnessed
@WillRennar
@WillRennar Жыл бұрын
The hexblade's version of holding their hand against the short guy's head and letting him flail away fruitlessly.
@apjtv2540
@apjtv2540 Жыл бұрын
This is the point where I would have had the golem pick up a rock and chuck it at the player.
@freman007
@freman007 Жыл бұрын
This is the point when the DM would throw a rock at the player.
@thunderheadcinema6743
@thunderheadcinema6743 Жыл бұрын
Versatility is key for a DM
@jonskowitz
@jonskowitz Жыл бұрын
That's when the golem picks up a nearby building and hurls it at the player. 😇
@michaelferrone4112
@michaelferrone4112 9 ай бұрын
Ricky! When I catch you Ricky- *BLAM* Ricky, when I catch you Ricky- *BLAM* Ricky, when I catch you Ricky- *BLAM* Ricky, when I catch you Ricky- *BLAM*
@NonnoSandroBebop
@NonnoSandroBebop Жыл бұрын
I am SO stealing this for a boss fight
@Xphonic6
@Xphonic6 Жыл бұрын
On behalf of all of your melee players, please don't. If you ment doing this as a player also please don't.
@9895_
@9895_ Жыл бұрын
@Xphonic6 well, my friend, you can't stop me
@magnetronman298
@magnetronman298 Жыл бұрын
​@@Xphonic6you have a whole party, the monster only has one reaction
@Xphonic6
@Xphonic6 Жыл бұрын
@@magnetronman298 your still going to have one person unable to hit because how they line up in initiative after the bosses turn so they just keep getting hit. You could just not use it and target a different person so someone else can endure pain but you still have to not use your reaction because you're just eliminating someone's turn indefinitely.
@Xphonic6
@Xphonic6 Жыл бұрын
​@@9895_your right, its your game so do whatever you want. I just wouldn't encourage anyone on the internet to do this and have it be fun/engaging because it can get real frustrating fast if not done right. It quite literally makes someone unable to play their melee class with one counterplay, don't get hit.
@fadeleaf845
@fadeleaf845 Жыл бұрын
It's definitely a combo that highlights the weakness of melee exclusive enemies and fights against single monsters. Fine to let it stand this time, but worthwhile to take lessons from
@EskChan19
@EskChan19 Жыл бұрын
Though it's technically not correct since Warcaster allows you to cast a spell INSTEAD of making an attack of opportunity, so that wouldn't trigger Sentinel, technically.
@CamperCarl00
@CamperCarl00 2 ай бұрын
There's two ways that a DM can overcome this. Either use the disengage action and walk towards the player (Sentinel only cancels opportunity attacks triggered by leaving range), or start throwing what's in the room. Alternatively, since Clay Golem has non-magical haste, you can haste, disengage then approach. This will allow you to not only have a 16 AC, but will set up a flurry of strikes next turn. Eldtritch blast will be at a disadvantage unless they trigger an opportunity attack or disengage. This means you get *_at least_* one attack each round.
@morgantellez758
@morgantellez758 Жыл бұрын
"the golem digs out a rock from the ground, heaves it above its head and throws it at you, make a dex save"
@giblesdestruct
@giblesdestruct Жыл бұрын
These kind of combos are why I make sure to know all my chars abilities and augment monster sheets to include counters but not outright win conditions.
@stock_movie1875
@stock_movie1875 5 ай бұрын
These combos? This combo doesn't work in the first place Pole arm master specifically says the opportunity attack has to be a MELEE reach weapon such as a glaive, pike, halberd. War caster REPLACES your opportunity attack with a spell which means sentinel doesn't activate because you didn't hit with a MELEE attack. The Eldritch blast with repelling blast still functions. However it doesn't lose movement at all.
@giblesdestruct
@giblesdestruct 5 ай бұрын
@@stock_movie1875 fun> rules as written
@giblesdestruct
@giblesdestruct 5 ай бұрын
@@stock_movie1875 also if you read the actual abilities none of them specifiy a melle attack. polearm master says if you are wielding one you get a reaction, and sentenel just says opportunity attack not melee. dont rules lawyer if you dont know the rules
@VoidplayLP
@VoidplayLP 5 ай бұрын
​@@giblesdestruct yes sentinel just needs an opportunity attack, but warcaster replaces an opportunity attack, meaning the spell you cast is not an opportunity attack and doesnt trigger sentinel
@metalhev3989
@metalhev3989 Жыл бұрын
Who knew making your entire build around being untouchable by melee monsters would make you untouchable by melee monsters.
@Herpaderple
@Herpaderple 11 ай бұрын
except none of these work as written. Also the DM just forgot about the disengage action apparently
@Kurse_of_Kall
@Kurse_of_Kall 10 ай бұрын
"entire build" = two feats and a reach polearm lol.
@PersonaRandomNumbers
@PersonaRandomNumbers 10 ай бұрын
​@@Kurse_of_Kall is it really that hard to count to three lmao
@Kurse_of_Kall
@Kurse_of_Kall 10 ай бұрын
​@@PersonaRandomNumbers Warcaster is irrelevant here. Not only does Eldritch Blast via Warcaster NOT TRIGGER SENTINEL, it also doesn't matter: If you have a reach of 10ft, you get the Polearm Master opportunity attack when the enemy approaches within 10ft, attack and Sentinel sets its speed to zero. This shuts down any creature without reach or a ranged attack just fine. No need to try to push them back with Eldritch Blast.
@ConMan275
@ConMan275 10 ай бұрын
@@HerpaderpleSentinel ignores the disengage action
@Merkantoine
@Merkantoine 7 күн бұрын
Clay golem takes chunks of clay off his body and throws them at the warlock. There, fixed it
@AngelusNielson
@AngelusNielson Жыл бұрын
You must have been so happy and yet so pissed off.
@domj3698
@domj3698 Жыл бұрын
At that point I'd say the golem looks confused and says "You play no fair! I play no fair too!" and have him split into like 4 smaller golems with reduced HP and damage numbers that I'd just have to improvise
@m0nkEz
@m0nkEz Жыл бұрын
Ah but it's eldritch blast so he should still be able to hit 3 of them or so.
@morrohir
@morrohir Жыл бұрын
@@m0nkEz no with the war caster feat you are only allowed to attack the one creature that provoked the opportunity attack. but on his turn he could split up the eldritch blasts = pushed back but no sentinel
@PerfectChaosZeta
@PerfectChaosZeta Жыл бұрын
No. That's shit. You don't cheat the player. This, what you just described? It's bad DMing. No. Bad. Do not do this. You reviewed and approved this character for use in the game if you did your job, you don't get to change shit around to fuck over their character after the session starts. Wtf. No. Let your player have their moment. This kind of DM cheating isn't fun. Big L. The player didn't cheat, you approved the character. Take this shit you got, put it in a box marked mistakes and put it in your brain museum of "shit not to do". A DM's job is to provide a fun group experience, not cheese their players.
@JarieSuicune
@JarieSuicune Жыл бұрын
That just sounds like the golems die faster. Just throw a rock, improvised weapons are allowed for monsters as much as players.
@domj3698
@domj3698 Жыл бұрын
@@JarieSuicune depends how much hp you choose to give them, but since the damage is spread over multiple enemies it would at least mean the warlock takes damage and has to think a little bit more, they could also throw rocks or something as smaller guys
@birubu
@birubu Жыл бұрын
Eldritch blast is taken *in place* of an Opportunity Attack, so Sentinel doesn’t work. Still, you can achieve pretty much the same thing with Sentinel, Polearm Master, a Reach weapon, and a decent movement speed. Edit: you could do a funny thing called Forcelancing though. Take Repelling Blast and, if possible, also Lance of Lethargy. Make sure to have Polearm Master and War Caster, maybe even Gunner/Crossbow Expert (see below). Enemy moves in within 5ft, triggering your opportunity attack. You fire eldritch Blast with all beams targeting the provoking enemy. First beam (and second if you miss the first) is at disadvantage unless you have Gunner or Crossbow Expert to nullify close range disadvantage. If you hit at least one beam, Lance applies. For every beam you hit, Repelling applies. Assuming all beams hit, the target now has -10ft movement, and has been pushed back 20-30ft.
@CrypticNazo
@CrypticNazo Жыл бұрын
Eldritch Blast also can target more than one creature from 5t level onward, invalidating it for warcaster.
@sillyking1991
@sillyking1991 Жыл бұрын
nope, warcaster just requires you only target the one that provoked the opportunity attack. it doesn't disallow spells that could target multiple people like Twinned spell does @@CrypticNazo
@Godoflegos
@Godoflegos Жыл бұрын
@@CrypticNazoYou're confusing this with the Twinned spell rules, which are worded differently. Warcaster never says the spell must only be able to target one creature, it says you must only target that creature. The former is based on spell parameters, while the latter is based on player action.
@jaimetheone9150
@jaimetheone9150 Жыл бұрын
Everything is shits and giggles until the golems take chunks from one of them and start throwing them to the warlock.
@deputyhobbs9683
@deputyhobbs9683 6 ай бұрын
"Suddenly the golem morphs into an invincible ancient dragon. It seems the gods were testing to see if your shit character was broken."
@Meebhver
@Meebhver Жыл бұрын
The reaction you get from war caster doesn't count as an opportunity attack, you just replace the opportunity attack with a spell. And the polearm master ability only allows you to make an opportunity attack with glaive, halberd, pike, quarterstaff, or spear when a creature enters your range
@nickschott7556
@nickschott7556 11 ай бұрын
I think you're right and then wrong. I agree that the war caster feat no longer counts as an OA but as a spell attack now, so that means the sentinel feat doesn't work. But the polearm master just says that while wielding a polearm, enemies in reach provoke OA. The second part of polearm master doesn't say that they have to use the polearm at all.
@Meebhver
@Meebhver 11 ай бұрын
@@nickschott7556 Polearm Master: You gain the following benefits: When you take the Attack action and attack with only a glaive, halberd, quarterstaff, or spear, you can use a bonus action to make a melee attack with the opposite end of the weapon. This attack uses the same ability modifier as the primary attack. The weapon's damage die for this attack is a d4, and it deals bludgeoning damage. While you are wielding a glaive, halberd, pike, quarterstaff, or spear, other creatures provoke an opportunity attack from you when they enter the reach you have with that weapon.
@nickschott7556
@nickschott7556 11 ай бұрын
@@Meebhver yeah you quoted the feat? Lol don't know what you're getting at though?
@NichtcrawlerX
@NichtcrawlerX 11 ай бұрын
@@nickschott7556 The final line could be read as the OA needing to be made, with the mentioned weapon, it is ambiguous.
@efdeecue
@efdeecue 11 ай бұрын
@@NichtcrawlerX The intent is pretty clear.
@antonmllerjohannesen2120
@antonmllerjohannesen2120 Жыл бұрын
Well, thats what happens in high levels
@user-ud6fk3ex6y
@user-ud6fk3ex6y Жыл бұрын
You were truly “first”
@kertisjones2092
@kertisjones2092 Жыл бұрын
High levels? You could do this as a human at level 4.
@iwatchanime0
@iwatchanime0 Жыл бұрын
​@@kertisjones2092Sentinel, Polearm Master, and War Caster at level 4? Yknow, I don't think that's how that works
@TheVoidPriest
@TheVoidPriest Жыл бұрын
​@@kertisjones2092level 8 would be the earliest for a pure hexblade warlock, if they just dip Hexblade two levels for invocations and rest fighter for extra fears it's also at level 8 ( 2 hexblade/6 fighter) so no it can be at level 4 (initial feat for variant human/custom race, feats at level 4 and 8 for pure warlock or at level 4 and 6 if fighter involved either way character level is 8)
@kertisjones2092
@kertisjones2092 Жыл бұрын
@@iwatchanime0 This is just a magical version of the sentinel + polearm master bastard combo. Using a weapon with reach can completely shut down any monster that doesn’t have reach. Jumping up to 8th level to combo it with warcaster and repelling blast makes it even more ridiculous, yes, but it’s still completely broken with just the two feats.
@boxofmadness2511
@boxofmadness2511 Ай бұрын
I just see a warlock pinning down a golem to the wall of the arena with a continues barrage of eldritch blasts
@grantbosworth6418
@grantbosworth6418 Жыл бұрын
Time for them to step on a trapdoor and fall into the “planned” spike pit
@no.notfromRDR
@no.notfromRDR Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of valir from mobile legends. Everytime you get close to him he just knocks you back half a lane distance giving you 40% slow because of a item.
@matthewcrowther890
@matthewcrowther890 Жыл бұрын
I think this doesn’t actually work, much to the sanity of literally every dm ever. War caster says you can replace your opportunity attack with a cantrip, ie you are no longer making an opportunity attack and sentinel doesn’t trigger. You still get the many, many feet of knock back but no zero movement thank god
@DnDShorts
@DnDShorts Жыл бұрын
Hmm, that's interesting, I always treated the cantrip AS an opportunity attack. That's a very reasonable ruling of yours though, which would have at least made it theoretically possible for the Clay Golem to get close range
@DnDShorts
@DnDShorts Жыл бұрын
you might be able to still do some cheese with the invocation that slows as well!
@Comrade2261
@Comrade2261 Жыл бұрын
No, Warcaster says you can make a spell attack rather than opportunity attack, which the spell must have a casting time of 1 acrion and must only target that creature. So you can choose a cantrip or a leveled spell.
@Awes0m3n3s5
@Awes0m3n3s5 Жыл бұрын
Replace warlock with fighter, give em a lucerne hammer (has access to bludgeoning), get crusher feat to knock them back 5 feat, profit?
@dantekrux2000
@dantekrux2000 Жыл бұрын
​@@Comrade2261this is actually the other thing that stops this from working except at level 4 specifically. You need to be at least level 4 to have both feats, but level 5 onwards means you can't use Eldritch Blast with war caster, since it can target multiple creatures.
@Bigbadredg14nt
@Bigbadredg14nt 3 ай бұрын
Sounds like the old “half ogre spiked chain combat reflexes” got an upgrade.
@beachedsam
@beachedsam Жыл бұрын
The golem splits into parts, each becoming enraged…
@marcosantonio-hj7vp
@marcosantonio-hj7vp Жыл бұрын
A easy way to fix that... Just put 2 Golens 😂
@JarieSuicune
@JarieSuicune Жыл бұрын
You would "fix" a 1v1 match by making it a 1v2... the player still wins by walking out and not coming back.
@PerfectChaosZeta
@PerfectChaosZeta Жыл бұрын
GOING POSTAL! MY MAN!
@simonnading
@simonnading Жыл бұрын
Oh, good. I wasn't alone in recognizing the clips.
@Bigbabki
@Bigbabki 3 ай бұрын
"The clay golem throw a massive rock at your face"
@hmmm348
@hmmm348 Жыл бұрын
The Emperor cried out in rage as his golem was repelled again and again with ease. "LOL" cried the warlock... "LMAO"
@stock_movie1875
@stock_movie1875 5 ай бұрын
This is when the gods gave divine knowledge to the emperor allowing him to see the TRUE machinations at work in the warlocks mind and body. Quickly breaking this 'unbreackable' defense.
@hmmm348
@hmmm348 5 ай бұрын
​​​@@stock_movie1875 The emperor gasped in horror at his sudden realisation. This gift of omniscience from User @stock_movie1875 gave him EVERYTHING he could have wanted in terms of knowledge about his world and more... No... Too much. For with his understanding of the mechanics of the system that drives his world came the realisation that he was nothing more than a copy of a character in a fictional story. He wasn't even the original Emperor, no... Just a copy, brought up in a youtube comment discussion of a retelling through a video. He wasn't real, neither was the warlock, nor the golem... In fact, given he only existed as a grouping of letters and numbers on paper, he was closer to a golem than human... No, a human, he would never be. The emperor's eyes bulged in his head as the warlock down below absent mindedly danced like a character out of Fortnite... Yes, the emperor knew what this 'Fortnite' was too... He just knew. His sanity freying as the warlock danced in a squat, his finger and his thumb in the shape of an L on his forehead, blissfully ignorant. "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME?!?" "YES, YOU, AT STOCK UNDERSCORE MOVIE EIGHTEEN SEVENTY FIVE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?"
@allthenamesiwantedweretaken
@allthenamesiwantedweretaken Жыл бұрын
That's when I say "The Golem uses it's Legendary Action to-"
@meatkirbo
@meatkirbo Жыл бұрын
The one weapon every DM has is the ability to turn these back on the players
@SaganTheKhajiit
@SaganTheKhajiit 10 ай бұрын
As a 3.5e player, where Warlocks are basically walking nukes, I learned that lesson when I stopped being the blaster and started getting blasted.
@LemonFlump
@LemonFlump 11 ай бұрын
An arrow through the throat will take out any old warlock I’ve found
@TheCoastalAVENGER
@TheCoastalAVENGER Жыл бұрын
"The clay Golem picks up a large boulder and throws it at you. make a dex saving throw"
@user-xd1gu4nl6o
@user-xd1gu4nl6o Жыл бұрын
War Caster allows you to cast a spellas a reaction as long as it has a casting time of 1 action and is only capable of targeting one creature. Eldritch Blast past level five is capable of targeting multiple creatures so it can't be used.
@arcticbanana66
@arcticbanana66 Жыл бұрын
The exact wording in the Feat's entry is "The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature". A multitarget spell like Eldritch Blast should still be eligable as long as all of the attacks are directed at the one target*. Some people may say that this interpretation makes the Feat too strong; other people may say that this interpretation makes that part of the Feat actually worth using. *(Assuming there hasn't been a recent errata or Sage Advice that says otherwise.)
@TaintWizard
@TaintWizard Жыл бұрын
@@arcticbanana66 I could also see the argument being made in favor of allowing this combo that under the Target field on the Eldritch Blast's description, it only says "A target within range" as opposed to a spell like Scorching Ray which says "Targets (one or several) within range." While I wouldn't agree with the ruling, I could see how the language on the feat and the spell could synergize.
@EskChan19
@EskChan19 Жыл бұрын
Technically you can use Eldritch Blast since it only has to target one creature, it does not say it must only be ABLE to target one creature, so as long as all blasts are targeted at the triggering creature, that works. But Warcaster has another issue that makes this combo impossible: It says you can cast a spell INSTEAD of taking your attack of opportunity, meaning the spell itself is not an attack of opportunity and thus doesn't trigger Sentinel.
@KingOFtheGamezz
@KingOFtheGamezz Жыл бұрын
Remember guys! Always min-max through stats and class, and never ever through in game progress and DM-PC discussion 😎
@adventurer3288
@adventurer3288 Жыл бұрын
Is this supposed to be satire? If so, then it makes no sense
@KingOFtheGamezz
@KingOFtheGamezz Жыл бұрын
@@adventurer3288 Make an insight check 🤔
@STONKS0897
@STONKS0897 Жыл бұрын
I would say min-maxing is fine, the issue is when people powergame Edit: min-maxing as making your character as strong as possible within rules, as opposed to powergaming which tends to require bending or outright misinterpreting rules, as in this short, or else an immense amount of shenanigans
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes Жыл бұрын
@@STONKS0897 Min-maxing has a very high correlation with awful roleplay. I have actually played with a guy who roleplays min-maxed characters well (for example he had a wood elf ranger with about 3 CHA once who simply doesn't understand how to behave in any village or town and shits on the street and walks around wearing almost nothing) but it is not the norm.
@gortalla5474
@gortalla5474 Жыл бұрын
@@CrizzyEyes yeah one of my players is an 8 intelligence and charisma elf for the sake of min maxxing but he doesn't play it well at all, it's really annoying because he clearly took it just to be good
@deadgirl1172
@deadgirl1172 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes. The bullying tactic. Crush the will of the enemy until the DM throws the towel in
@StarKnight619
@StarKnight619 Жыл бұрын
The fighter using a Long bow from 100ft away- "HA!"
@FuryOmega
@FuryOmega Жыл бұрын
It's a great combo for one on one! I'd just say well done. That was very cleverly thought out, and cool. Good demonstration for other players how different abilities can synergize in the right circumstances. Rancorless applause from this DM.
@yeasstt
@yeasstt Жыл бұрын
It doesn't work though. Warcaster allows the player to cast a spell *instead* or making an opportunity attack. No opportunity attack means Sentinel doesn't trigger, which breaks the combo
@PeterPetrowitsch
@PeterPetrowitsch Жыл бұрын
@@yeasstt @Bob Jonquet i mean, if we ignore the text in the rulebook anything can be anything we want ... but rules as written: Warcaster:"When a hostile creature's movement provokes an opportunity attack from you, you can use your reaction to cast a spell at the creature, rather than making an opportunity attack. The spell must have a casting time of 1 action and must target only that creature." Sentinel:"When you hit a creature with an opportunity attack, the creature's speed becomes 0 for the rest of the turn." Therefore no opportunity attack takes place (it is replaced with casting a spell) and so the movement penalty from sentinel does not apply.
@Unit-3D
@Unit-3D Жыл бұрын
The D&D combo that made *me* give up on DMing was OGL Fiasco + Non-Apology + Mediocre Book Flood.
@CrypticNazo
@CrypticNazo Жыл бұрын
AH, the Hasbro Classic.
@matteblack5805
@matteblack5805 Жыл бұрын
This is when the earth shakes and 5 dragons appear.
@Tentumon111
@Tentumon111 Жыл бұрын
"The golem picks up a large sized rock and hurls it at you, hits, take 2d8+15."
@AngelDracos
@AngelDracos Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Crawford actually touched on this on Twitter. Polearm Master DOES NOT apply for casting a spell with this combo. Funny enough, I looked through all breakable feat combinations and came up with this on my own. Did a little research, and he specifically says that it CANNOT function this way. You stopped DMing for nothing, now you have a villain arc
@ANDELE3025
@ANDELE3025 Жыл бұрын
It does. RAJCT is not a representation of RAW nor RAI. If the intent was to not make it work, it would have said attack of opportunity. If there was a wording issue, people wouldnt have come up with the combo in the first place (such as the claim that sentinel still slows despite warcaster swapping out the AoO for the cast, not lets you cast as AoO).
@remyb6854
@remyb6854 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy Crawford has some shit takes in tweets. Nothing in the actual rules stops it from working. Warlcaster lets you swap in a spell in place of an opportunity attack. Full stop. Doesn't matter where or why you got that opportunity attack, if you have warcaster you can choose to cast a spell instead.
@paderball
@paderball Жыл бұрын
+1 to this answer. Those going with RAW and saying Sentinel doesn't trigger may be more technically right, but realistically the spirit of Polearm Master is it triggers when holding specific weapons and should result in an opportunity attack with those weapons. This is the sort of thing the DM has the authority to rule on and responsibility to reign in under normal circumstances. That said, if the group agreed they wanted a game where the players can seek out exploits in the RAW, then nice, but Sentinel would not trigger as noted by others.
@remyb6854
@remyb6854 Жыл бұрын
@paderball To reach your conclusion you have to ignore the spirit of the feat Warcaster. The purpose of which allows you to opportunity attack, so to speak, with spells instead of weapons. If you feel comfortable completely ignoring both the RAW and RAI of the warcaster feat, then go ahead and homebrew it at your table.
@paderball
@paderball Жыл бұрын
@@remyb6854 I'm not ignoring the spirit of War Caster. I'm essentially claiming it takes ignoring the spirit of Polearm Master to make this scenario work. It only works with certain weapons equipped and should clearly state (and probably intended for) the opportunity attack with the weapon in question. Similarly, the opportunity attack is triggered by monster movement against you with a poelarm and War Caster triggers on monster movement. It's not only monster movement that triggered it. Realistically, it's the PC having and using the polearm while the monster approaches (though the rules don't specify, it's silly to say you're just idly standing with polearm in hand). To say the PC is using the polearm in a way to give the benefit but is replacing that part of the reaction with another reaction is taking away the prerequisite. In simpler words, you're trying to do two things at once. War Caster lets you do one particular thing for normal op attacks, but that doesn't mean you get to do it while also doing something else. Yes, I can see a DM ruling you're so good at casting and polearms to do both, but I think it's perfectly reasonable and closer to the intent to say they are separate. Each feat's strength is intended to hold its own weight without allowing this very specific pairing (i.e. if it required this whole setup to make them good, then they'd be trash in all but very niche cases), so you can't really argue it's somehow critically nerfing War Caster to bar it.
@tangerine3559
@tangerine3559 Жыл бұрын
Devastating against melee-only enemies😂
@chaoscannon2892
@chaoscannon2892 11 ай бұрын
Also numbers can overwhelmed. I played a similar build.
@lefteron6804
@lefteron6804 10 ай бұрын
"And then the Golem's creator appears and casts dominate person on the warlock".
@fllintvancleff2110
@fllintvancleff2110 4 ай бұрын
Dm: the golem now starts casting fireball at you
@doughboy_6439
@doughboy_6439 3 ай бұрын
Fireball? You mean all beam of a Scorching Ray, which does more damage to a single target.
@shaundenehy4681
@shaundenehy4681 Жыл бұрын
So the Clay golem couldn't just pick something up and throw it?
@joshuahitchins1897
@joshuahitchins1897 Жыл бұрын
Clay golem got an int of 3. Problem solving ain't their strong suit.
@shaundenehy4681
@shaundenehy4681 Жыл бұрын
@@joshuahitchins1897 But when most things get frustrated that's not intelligence that's just throwing stuff at what is frustrating you.
@CrizzyEyes
@CrizzyEyes Жыл бұрын
​@@joshuahitchins1897 3 INT is definitely high enough for extremely basic tool usage based on how INT is determined for animals and sapients. Actually, the INT scores are completely nonsensical anyway. Ravens have 2 INT, for example, whereas canines typically have 3. A raven should be at least as smart as a dog if not moreso.
@taragnor
@taragnor 4 ай бұрын
Probably not in the case of the golem. D&D golems are basically like robots. Really stupid, really simple programming. Even if the DM rules it could think of throwing stuff, he said it was an arena match, so if they're fighting in a typical gladiatorial arena, there's just sand. Then even if it found a rock, that would be an unproficient attack with an improvised weapon doing what? 1d4 damage? so not very scary at all and still gets destroyed by eldritch blast spamming.
@ingonyama70
@ingonyama70 Жыл бұрын
I feel like this would have been a cherished memory for my DMs, for when their players figured out a clever way to solve a problem. Then again, different people go for different things in TTRPGs, and that's the beauty of the game. Next time? Clay golem archers.
@singingcrow439
@singingcrow439 4 ай бұрын
Imagine the warlock surpirse is the golem knew how to cast fireball.
@lanterns_glow
@lanterns_glow 11 ай бұрын
The "NO YOU ONLY MOVE WHEN I SAY SO" combo
@stock_movie1875
@stock_movie1875 5 ай бұрын
That's just pole arm master and sentinel. War caster doesn't chain of sentinel nor does it trigger sentinel. So keep that in mind.
@zubetube7111
@zubetube7111 Жыл бұрын
Rules as written though, this wouldn't work. War Caster specifies that you cast the spell INSTEAD of taking an opportunity attack, making it separate from the opportunity attack reaction, which is it's own separate reaction. Thus, the eldritch blast would not set the golem's movement speed to 0, as it is not an opportunity attack, but instead a spell with it's casting time changed to 1 reaction, rather than an action.
@TheTrueLeafless
@TheTrueLeafless Жыл бұрын
And then a good DM would know that Eldritch Blast past lvl 5 isn't an option for Warcaster, because it can target multiple cratures. Also there is a chance the player misses. On the other end....a Clay Golem has a movement speed of 20. With Repelling Blast it is always an option to keep it at bay even if it dashes. Also you kinda need to fight like this against a Clay Golem as it reduces your max HP with the slam damage.
@belladonnaRoot
@belladonnaRoot Жыл бұрын
Warcaster still works with Eldritch Blast past level 5 . Unlike Twinned Spell that forbids spells with multiple targets, Warcaster only restricts who a PC can target. "...must target only that creature" means you can still target that creature multiple times. Happy Blasting!
@jasonreed7522
@jasonreed7522 Жыл бұрын
Personally i would say that polearm master should only work when using your polearm, it just doesn't feel right to have an ability say you can stab anybody for walking too close to you, only to sub it out for a different type of attack. But i doubt that is RAW, so it whatever precident the table sets for itself, ideally by talking this sort of combo over with your DM first. (The understanding that is sucks to have your cool ideas shut down should apply to both the DM and the Players, the DM wants [needs] to have fun too.)
@EskChan19
@EskChan19 Жыл бұрын
@@jasonreed7522 RAW, Warcaster says you can cast a spell INSTEAD of taking an attack of opportunity. So while you can use Warcaster off of Polearm Master, the Eldritch Blast would not be an attack of opportunity and thus not trigger Sentinel. Though the initial point is indeed invalid, warcaster says that the spell can only target one opponent, it does not say that the spell must be able to only target one target, so as long as all blasts from Eldritch Blast are aimed at the triggering opponent, that would be a valid choice.
@emi_is_absent
@emi_is_absent 4 ай бұрын
"Polearm Master, Sentinel" The three most frightening words in the english language.
@DamnDaimen
@DamnDaimen Жыл бұрын
As the clay cracks from multiple blows, a black fog spills from them. Your vision darkens and all you hear is chittering. Mechanically this is just gonna be the darkness spell, and a few buffed insect swarms, in addition to the golem.
@mimicray
@mimicray Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, training my polearm skills to mastery so I can... Cast spells better?
@patrickharwood6598
@patrickharwood6598 Жыл бұрын
Everyone thinks they are so clever until there is more than one enemy
@Appelzinho
@Appelzinho 5 ай бұрын
“I made a homebrew rule and my player stomped me”
@thefollowingisatest4579
@thefollowingisatest4579 8 күн бұрын
The warlock defeats the golem, hero of the day. Next round in the arena, opponent comes ready with lots of ranged options. Down the line, someone who saw the warlock in the arena replicates the strategy for villainous reasons
@CoffeeBoost
@CoffeeBoost Жыл бұрын
Rule Lawyer here. Polearm master does not allow to switch your opportunity attack for war caster. It allow you to make kne qith a polearm. The farthest I would stretch it is to allow combination of feats for for booming blade.
@thefallenangel808
@thefallenangel808 Жыл бұрын
The emperor is impres that you manege to destroy his golems and now he will sent he's champion A dragon.
@yvanpsy8989
@yvanpsy8989 Жыл бұрын
that's why you always have to remember your players everything they do can be done against them... or more simply give your clay golems some range attacks by using parts of their body as projectiles
@purplelibraryguy8729
@purplelibraryguy8729 3 ай бұрын
I, too, have a clever way to stop melee opponents from getting at my spellcaster: I hide behind the fighters.
@-MrDeath-
@-MrDeath- Жыл бұрын
The golem uses his bonus action that definitly always had to take disengage action and not trigger your reaction, now hes on melee range.
@RX782GP03
@RX782GP03 8 ай бұрын
Clay golem prepares an action to attack the weapon when it comes in its reach. then the lock's armor, and gear, and everything else, and walks away.
@alexisauld7781
@alexisauld7781 4 ай бұрын
"Oh no! The Clay Golem switched to using its bulk to pick up and hurl massive chunks of earth at Powergamey McDinglebutt!" :3
@samuels1123
@samuels1123 Жыл бұрын
You gotta make the golem a timebomb for anti-grind 'The golem's chest crumbles, exposing a large glass of explosive compound' 'A fuse tethered to the left arm is ignited, at this rate it may reach the center in 30 seconds'
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