It's profoundly hilarious when a single player gacha game that people have spend tens of thousands on goes offline and you can't even access the game anymore when it amounted to the complexity of a flash game with no multiplayer capability. It should be illegal to design games that cannot be played without full server support. Loss of media and such.

yep. It took around ~12 years for community devs to get vanilla WoW into a good state where we can say it's permanently archived for history no matter what blizzard does, and that's with an insanely passionate community spending 1000s of hours creating databases and coding. One can only imagine how many games with less people behind them will just disappear entirely. I feel like it should be a law that when a game shuts down, the company has to release their server code. Especially for MMOs, like 70% of what makes it a game is on those servers.

yep happened to me with firefall they need the option to create your own dedicated servers. Would fix so many of these problems

Happened to me with OW. OW2 is nothing like the original and I can’t play one of my favorite games anymore

does make me glad with games like Minecraft, where if you want to host a server you need to download the server software for either linux or windows... and then just portforward. thats it. Can do more to the server if you want like plugins or mod, but at this point you allready have a functional server. Tis cool. Surprising amount of steam games have dedicated servers too, check whats in the 'tools' list lol. Filled with dedicated server software (... really just 'server' instead of 'client' version of the game) and even modding tools.

probably nr 2

​@@enemy1191Probably not seems pretty far fetched, glu isn't stupid they know most big game companies don't give a flying f about their old games multiplayer, not even smaller studios that care would work since they probably don't have enough money.

Glu isn't the innocent company you may think it is. Look up the story of QuizUp - a trivia mobile game that was acquired and milked dry for money by Glu Mobile. Big rabbit hole... if there is still info about it, as Glu proceeded to shut down this online mobile game and now almost no information remains other than journo articles

i am just like "why buy a company that solely provides multiplayer functions, to then shut down said services"

I think glu also didn;t quite realize just how expensive it would be to maintain servers for all these games that had small but dedicated communities. Being primarily a mobile company they specialize in games that are meant to be disposable and shut down after a year or two, and it costs the same to keep a server open regardless of whether it has 1000 or 10 users.

Wait I've actually looking to play or looking for gameplay for that game when will it be public

Wow that's pretty impressive 😮

@@irvinmorales6307 It is public! Unfortunately I cannot tell you where to find information about it because my comment will automatically get removed, but you can search for it pretty easy :)

Do you still have to use LANTunneling?

@@irvinmorales6307it’s public, Google BF2MC online

THUG Pro, which is actually better than any of the original THPS games by miles and came as a direct result of the old servers shutting down.

Yep! Sometimes we even managed to turn it into an entirely new thing. Like, for Neverwinter Nights 2- a bit of dll injection and boom, new server browser

Even the Battlefield stuff was revived multiple times, EA just shat all over it.

makes you wonder why they made it seem like developing a work around was going to be so labor intensive and therefore expensive.

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 Money. They want people to think their additional service is both necessary and worth money as they consider it a 'value added product'. A product that makes their game more valuable to players meaning people are more likely to buy it and pay a lot for it.

They can't even force car/tractor manufacturers to do this and the stakes are much higher then losing a game. Farmers can lose a $300,000 tractor overnight as the manufacturers refuse to release the diagnosis software to third party repairers but are also refusing to do the repairs themselves or are charging exorbitant amounts that bankrupt entire farms.

Then there are the people who believe that if our distant ancestors had dog-piled and ended the existence of the first proto-human who expressed the concept "There ought to be a law", we would live in a very different society today. As Thomas Jefferson said, we forge our own chains.

I agree.

@@ostlandr yeah fuck that first guy who said "yo I'll help you defend your shit from those other monkeys over there if you do the same for me," return to monke.

@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 welcome to America. EU still has a chance to implement such regulations tough

where can i find the patch?

​@@camilorodriguez5602 Do a search for Halo PC patch 1.10. There's a Bungie forum post by Roger Wolfson that has links to patches for both Combat Evolved and Custom Edition.

Gotta love proper game preservation supported by the creators

HOORAHH

HOOAH

At this point who cares. When you have so many games and you start to keep making new ones it is going to be time consuming and expensive. Everyone who has something like one of these servers need to make space, fix something on it, take away the game to bring in new games for a new audience. Would you rather listen to the same Rock Band 100,000 times that is only one band or hear some other and that you can expand on quality and listen to something that is new and fresh. Things get old and I am no computer person on how servers work. I would think that it is a time process that would increase my paycheck a lot more to keep you playing one game instead of having 5 of them. At the end of the day things need to be innovated and worked on. If you don't how are going to make money and work on change and have the rules of adaptation apply? Don't take me or the world seriously

@@FunGamingContentwhat

For a brick, he flew pretty good.

I have a similar story at my company, a while ago the company was bought out and they decided to fire the one and only I.T guy without notice after 15 years of working there. Problem is the systems were a convoluted maze held together with duct tape and hopes and dreams that only the I.T guy knew his way around. So they were forced to either completely re-create the system which would have bankrupted them, or to go to the guy they just sacked and beg him to return as a contractor to teach the new guy. He ended up charging them over 500k to sub-contract him back for a month to teach the new guy. Upper management are not known for making good decisions in most cases.

It was behind the blockbuster that was closed down due to a triple murder, and the ghosts still haunt the server room to this day.

@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 I would have only returned if the upper management were fired too. That would have teach them a lesson.

@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 That's honestly a pretty great idea if you find yourself as the sole technican of any sort, be it mechanical or otherwise. Just get by enough until they try to lay you off they'll realize you're the only support that department has from total collapse. Should at least be a bargaining chip as for why you're unreplaceable lol

Gamespy was one of those wierd time capsule things, fond memories but largely forgotten about nowadays.

If any body's interested in listening to it, the podcast is called "The Gamespy Debriefings" and is fully available on the Internet Archive.

@@yeahrightgetreal Fond is a hilarious word, thats like having fond memories of an abusive spouse, I have such fond memories of when they used to smack me around 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

​@@yeahrightgetrealFR

@@asciicatface If you don't listen to the 2 hour episode that is actually a 30 minute episode where Scott has to leave early, smacks the recording device, and causes it to loop the last 5 minutes for an hour and a half, you aren't a real fan.

monopolies are a plague

a lot of studios are bailing from embalmer group now so that's a positive sign that they're realizing "if we stay here we're dead"

My dad still has the software on his laptop

yup game spy flash java every time

The ritual of installing GameSpy, xfire, CCCP codec pack, PowerISO, etc on new system drives/after formatting was something else.

I had forgotten about the All Seeing Eye, that's a blast from the past.

​@@GoldSrc_ ASE still works on many games that GS took down.

Was it a completely different game?

​@@Arcademan09was using half life engine for pc.

​@@Arcademan09 yeah any vehicle or on rail levels which come to think about it was 40% of the original game were completely removed from the pc port

@@xyzz8722 I thought that footage looked familiar, the physics at least lol

yea pc had a different architecture from consoles back then so porting was not easy. you can see this in a lot of even older retro games where every port is totally different

That's probably because Activision had made the decision to shut them down.

I cant believe the servers even lasted past covid

​@@Calvin_Coolage It's shut down on Nintendo's end. Wii CoDs used nintendo login servers, and atvi game servers, and nintendo shut off the login servers meaning that the game servers are still up, we just cant play them

@@NotSolidSnake- that didnt matter too much since homebrewing your wii had no risks and was the easiest thing besides a psp.

cof cof gta IV cof cof

@@xlicer gta 4 was gfwl not gamespy

@@doltBmBoups my bad

Nintendo never bothered to fix it in the VC ports when emulators have online

@doltBmB gfwl was just the launcher. The matchmaking did use gamespy, but they changed it When gfwl stopped working they just didn't bother to fix login but the consoles still work

It's not illegal. IT's a private service with it's own terms and conditions. I bet you think it's illegal if you're banned from Steam and can no longer access your library of games. But it's not. Read through the terms of service before clicking "accept."

The terms of service do not go above the law just because you agreed to them.

@@ripleyhrgiger4669 just because its written down in a contract, doesn't mean its legal There are plenty of contracts that hav successfully been reversed by the fact that they have illegal requirements. One of the things is that a company buying another HAS to honor ANY existing and outstanding offerings that are active Such as a lifetime supply of ice cream, or a permanent discount, or lifetime free travel voucher You have no idea what you're talking about if you dont even acknowledge that the laws exist, unless they conveniently support your point, and only then do you recognize their existence The difference between intentionally doing something malicious, and getting banned, or a service deciding to renege is apples and oranges Even then, if steam shuts down my account and they have no reason to, i can still sue them... BECAUSE ITS ILLEGAL They also would have to prove that if i had been talking about something and its only now an issue, that they were taking action And if they delete or refuse to admit evidence, that in and of itself is illegal in court, federally

@@ripleyhrgiger4669 contracts that are agreed to have been deemed not able to be legally upheld many many times lmfao. your agreement does not mean anything in many cases. you could sign a contract agreeing to enslave yourself. that contract would be used as toilet paper by the court.

They did die years ago. About 30 years ago.

Well according to someone else Bungie did release a patch migrating out of GameSpy, so maybe you did help

What's the website?

Adopt Halo: Combat Evolved & Custom Edition Multiplayer is the name of the petition@@carlizancho2

I remember X-Fire.

@@carlizancho2 Change. KZfaq is removing all my links

The biggest lesson is to never be too dependent on online services... especially from big companies...

"I lost 30,000 games in the blink of an eye... and the world just fuckin' watched"

​​@@ChucksSEADnDEAD "Tomorrow, there'll be no shortage of volunteers... no shortage of gamers. I know you understand."

What was it before if it wasn't atoms?

Feel U brovh

Red Alert is probably a bad example as it was one of the first games to release with online multiplayer built in though Westwood Online.

I tried Hamachi back in the day but sadly never got it to work.

​@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Back then everything required reading a manual. I remember running a private World Of Warcraft server back in vanilla release days, and I had to have multiple laptops running, looking into items and locations databases. It was like conducting an orchestra. I'd love to revive my old setup some day. I used Hamachi to play the first Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter. It was a LAN emulator. If the game had a LAN mode, Hamachi was good enough, and the reason people used it was because it allowed pirated games on the network. GameSpy was popular for the same reason. They weren't cracking down on generated serials.

Every public facing discord I've ever been in is like this. I miss forums.

yea and a lot of spam and other things you don't want to deal with

Skip the search issues, focus on the literal topic. Discord is a live service. They’re hosting “How to work around a deceased live service” on a live service. Discord will eventually go the route of GameSpy, taking all of that knowledge with it.

It's really ironic that discord appears to be the worst place to actually manage a community.

It seems hard to get forums going. Everyone stays in these internet ghettos metaphorically speaking like KZfaq, facebook, discord, instagram, tik tok etc…

はは、私は日本語学ぶ。

If anything, it’s a portmanteau.

Is it not possible to get it at all on the Xbox version? Multiplayer still works on Xbox.

@@LloydTheZephyriannot sure, but it leaves me intrigued. Hopefully a search engine can come through haha

So now only the PSP version is canonical to Final Fantasy XV.

The DRM can easily be removed. They aren't an integral part of the game (or shouldn't be)

@@LetrixAR not all DRM can be easily removed. see: the newest versions of denuvo that result in most PC games using them uncracked for years.

Used to play that through tunngle and other such apps. Unfortunately they are all shut down now.

Nothing matches the feeling of managing to eat enough people to turn into a Xenomorph Queen, getting stuck in a building because you're too big for the doors now and then deleting any one unfortunate or stupid enough to enter said building.

Funny how GTA 4 was on gamespy but still works, then GTA 5 doesn't anymore on old gen

@@ross3695_basedhax - there are pc based servers for IV.. also for V too.. even if R* shut down the pc players can connect forever

even if it did use GameSpy they would’ve just released an update that would use their own or the platform’s network infrastructure instead.

@@ross3695_basedhaxto force push people to the next Gen version and fill rockstars pockets even more milking the same game

@@skinbreaker6989 and 2k does the same thing with sports games(also a Rockstar company) WWE 2K22 is shut down already, but Smackdown 2007 is still up lmao

by far the worst possible version of Halo 1 to play

​@@derpderpin1568thats anniversary edditon. Sorry we got to play Halo online a year before you did with Halo 2. Yea the PC version was rough (both were honstley considering I was on the Halo 2 Windows XP hack team). Also sorry to break it to ya. There were much better FPS games before Halo came out. Halo streamlined shit and devs followed suit and thus lost creativity. The world is you're oyster. I'm just living in it.

@@derpderpin1568 nah when you download the chimrea addon and find a server with custom maps playlist it becomes one of gaming greatest online experiences

Custom Edition and Project Cartographer came along

@@mohwe1007 project cartographer is less modable then custom edition

Original Star Wars Battlefront servers.... Excuse me as I rush over to Battlefront 2.

Well Star Wars Empire at War got actually fixed after the GameSpy servers died (even tho its extremly old), so big big props to to Petroglyph for keeping my fav game alive

Steam put the OG battlefront 2 servers back online years ago on there service just not the 1st one

But that would mean the big companies can't force you onto their new $90 microtransaction P2P gacha-likes so they can tear your wallet out your ass. The more people playing old games for free the less yachts the executives have. And that's all that matters to them.

Opensource only addresses part of the problem. Remote servers are the other part and no amount of open source is going to make hardware magically appear.

People will get them up and running. I have a server in my basement currently hosting palworld and a couple other older games for my friend group, the only time I interact with it is when one of the games running on it gets an update or the second Sunday of the month for OS updates. I got the server from some dude on craigslist for $500 2 or 3 years ago and costs me a few dollars a month to keep up since electricity is cheap when you live near a nuclear powerplant. What Roggor said is what I think it really is, you can't get fleeced for mtx when you control the server.@@brodriguez11000

This is why I've pretty much switched to buying games from GOG, making a point to download the standalone installers (just in case Galaxy ends), and backing them up.

Many of the EULA agreements you have to agree to in order to access the game at all also include a clause basically saying that the company/publisher can pretty much just take your license and ability to use the game at any time and basically lock you out of the game for some reasons... So there are some games that'll just try and uninstall themselves if you attempt to access them after your license has been revoked... Another thing that pains me is that a lot of old games are incompatible with modern hardware, for example, the original Marathon... (Although emulators do exist, but not everything has one)

Yup; that’s why steam is scary. One bad day or whatever reason, but your entire library can just go poof.

I still play Fear combat from time to time as well, it seems to have more pople on the servers on weekends

For old niche games it seems like people do it like the old offline couch co-op days; contact people you know who will want to play the game and arrange a date and time for a session. Private forums and discord servers are the best bet.

history doesnt always repeat but if often rhymes

Did you play multiplayer on Kali or Khan? If so, we probably played against one another, as I was addicted to D2. Either way, hail, Material Defender!

@@JasonOfOconomowoc I used to play through ipx and dial up back then which wasn't often and I'd get smoked when I did. I mostly just played the campaigns and custom mission packs on both D1 and D2. I didn't really get into online games until I played CS in its infatcy. I was rather late to the Quake scene. iD really neglects Quake.

Descent 2 had an amazing soundtrack and I think was one of the earliest games to use CD Audio. Now imagine my confusion in the 2000s when I see the trailer for a movie called Descent and it has nothing to do with shooting robots in mines. I even had a mining ship in EVE-Online called "Material Defender".

Descent will always be one of my favorites. There's just no other game like it. There are hundreds of Doom clones, but nothing can be Descent. Though it does have a spiritual successor called Overload, made by former members of Parallax.

You ever wonder why we're here?

there are so, so many that were lost to time when i last looked. i suppose at this point there's nothing i remember that would be better than what's available now.

@@ohmygoditisspider7953 That or got removed by fucksus clods for bullshit copyright reasons or political correctness.😡

@@iso-didact789 Abot's website has links to all the archived pages of morrowind modding history. However, many mods were lost back in the day.when gamespy went down. but yeah Nexus is pretty PC so I wouldn't be surprised if some got removed on there.

of all the games seriously? a lame Batman themes team fortress 2?? ugh whatever

​@@judgedrekk2981did your trenchcoat come in the mail today bud

Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it "lame" as whole lol. I as well as MANY other people had so much fun on GC Imposters@@judgedrekk2981

​@@judgedrekk2981lmao

​@@judgedrekk2981You clearly never played it. Very unique feeling and fun arena game

Those level 1-10 legendarys aint an issue on current gts luckily since you cant ask for impossible legendaries now. But that doesnt include the furfurou thats not available yet. I remember when this was an issue Also why the heck did they only support wep the worst security to use nowadays. Wpa was out during the ds and only took them until gen 5 to fix that if you had a dsi which I didnt have. When i got the 3ds i finally had access.

@@timbo303official9 yeah it was such a joke and made it impossible to search any GTS listings at least early on as those would show up first. as for encryption, WPA was released in 2003, but the NDS was released in November 2004. I don't know the precise timelines for the certification process but I'm guessing there just wasn't time to put it in. The Wii (2006) does support WPA/WPA2. The DS Lite really didn't upgrade the internal hardware at all so it wasn't until the DSI that they got a chance to add WPA/WPA2.

The only country that would be willing to do that would be EU, i dont see it coming to us anytime soon at all

Exactly why companies don't like doing that; they like to keep all the power... Every person playing an old game that isn't making any money is a person that could instead buy a new game designed to squeeze as much money from you as possible...

Rember played the games c&c rts and tony hawks 3 online! On gamespy Was a huge experience.

Funny how EA ended up buying Glu back in 2021

​@@putai1234If you can't beat them, eat them. Double the legacy destruction, double the developer shutdown.

what did you do at GameSpy?

@@oscarsaldana4700 I helped run FilePlanet.

@@SpanWolf Only thing I can remember about Fileplanet is the long waiting times/quotas for downloads 🥱

i mostly Pirate Game to test it if i like the game so much and No red flag Sign on it Developer then i have money i am sure will buy it

@@irpanfauzi1160Same here. I’ve bought a lot of games I pirated and really liked.

all 5 of them

In much the same way as e-waste recycling businesses sell old computer parts and such.

Stadia, Amazon Luna, Nvidia Geforce Now, Xbox cloud gaming, Playstation Plus, Shadow PC, Steam Link.

There's interest sure but also a lawsuit risk from breaking the EULA. Community servers running for free tend to be ignored but that could change if they started charging.

the first one on PS2? yeah that was a decent one....and one of the last good WWE games.... good roster, good OST, really good creation tools, good career...solid game from what I remember, the rest got eh, messed with the controls too much and the switch to gen 7 just saw the addition of greed mechanics more and more I tried the first WWE under 2K, didn't like the game at all, nothing had changed from THQ lol RIP good WWE games!

​@@judgedrekk2981SVR used to have online mode on PS3 and Xbox 360 again but the only problem there were some odd glitches which it helped a lot of toxic players wins or by screwing the matches by making it unplayable

When I first heard of them I figured it started as a stat tracking service since esports were just starting to rear their ugly head.

​​@@cericatI remember when GameSpy was one of the more popular gaming sites in late 90s and from playing a bunch of online PS2 games. I honestly thought nothing of the name back then but I definitely would think about a name like that nowadays.

@@StruggleBoxing one of my local stores was running weekend LAN parties after the retail release of Counterstrike, so I came to them a little differently than you did, back when IGN still had some respect in the industry. Definitely spent a lot of time on the fileplanet servers finding patches and mods though.

@@cericat gamespy was around for nearly 15 years before esports, also literally nothing wrong with competitive gaming.

@@cericat when was that? even by 1995 IGN had no respect by any conscious gamer anymore.