The Competition Panels and the Florentine Renaissance

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3 жыл бұрын

Filippo Brunelleschi, The Sacrifice of Isaac, 1401-02, bronze, gilding, each 53.3 x 43.2 cm (Museo Nazionale del Bargello, Florence)
Lorenzo Ghiberti, The Sacrifice of Isaac, 1401-02, bronze, gilding, each 53.3 x 43.2 cm (Museo Nazionale del Bargello, Florence)
The Competition Panels for the doors of the Florence Baptistry, 1401-02, commissioned by the Arte del Calimala (Museo Nazionale del Bargello, Florence)
speakers: Dr. Beth Harris and Dr. Steven Zucker

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@robinhahnsopran
@robinhahnsopran 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing these two pieces side by side is so illuminating! Love this!
@monkeygraborange
@monkeygraborange 3 жыл бұрын
There are elements I love in both panels, and also elements that bother me in both panels. It is however a joyful thing that both of these still exist!
@Arianna-of1ne
@Arianna-of1ne 3 жыл бұрын
Just from an artistic point of view, I would choose Brunelleschi's panel. There is more drama which I think translates from Abraham's extreme faith in God. I love the touch of the angel actually grabbing his hand and stopping him right before tragedy struck. I also appreciate his treatment of Issac's body. It actually looks like a child rather than the greek god-like treatment of Ghiberti. Though, I do love the addition of a landscape by Ghiberti. It adds more cohesion to the piece.
@kev8346
@kev8346 3 жыл бұрын
Dr Beth & Dr Steven take you through art from all over the world in the comfort of your own home. They are my favorite team! They bounce so nicely off each other and their voices and intelligence are exquisite, i love the way they explain things! Thank you smarthistory & Drs!
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very kind notes, they mean a lot to us.
@kev8346
@kev8346 3 жыл бұрын
@@smarthistory-art-history of course! thank you for amazing content.
@richsw
@richsw 3 жыл бұрын
These videos just keep getting better and better in terms of information and presentation. Thanks, Smarthistory!
@mitchellbratton6617
@mitchellbratton6617 3 жыл бұрын
Dang this was a good one. Heavy on the details to explain what was being said, the visual edits are better than ever. Love your work smarthistory!
@jafiaadnan3539
@jafiaadnan3539 3 жыл бұрын
Always superb and admirable museum narratives.
@doncarlodivargas5497
@doncarlodivargas5497 3 жыл бұрын
How did the boy do? I guess it must have been difficult to trust authority figures later in life? A pretty traumatic experience I would imagine, it is strange how Abraham get all the attention, while the victim here gets overlooked, it is a hard life indeed
@rustyw5842
@rustyw5842 Күн бұрын
I have been to Firenze many times, almost always passing in front of the 'Gates of Paradise'. And I've seen these 'competition panels' in the Bargello. Since both include the 'Sacrifice of Isaac', I didn't understand that Ghiberti's submission resulted in him being awarded a FIRST set of doors. I am delighted that you included the full-length images of these earlier doors in this video.
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history Күн бұрын
This might also be of interest: smarthistory.org/lorenzo-ghiberti-gates-of-paradise-east-doors-of-the-florence-baptistery/
@rustyw5842
@rustyw5842 23 сағат бұрын
No wonder I wasn't familiar with Ghiberti's older doors: they're the tourist entrance to the Battistero, so are always open! :)
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 14 сағат бұрын
Those in charge of such things have now taken them inside. All three sets are now in the Museum of the Works of the Cathedral including Pisano's initial set.
@rustyw5842
@rustyw5842 Күн бұрын
By pure chance, I have just completed the chapter about Ghiberti in Vasari's "Lives of the Saints". It was interesting to compare his glowing description of the panels of both sets of doors by Ghiberti with your more analytical descriptions. Both together make me anxious to return to Firenze to more closely study the (copy of) the 'Gates of Paradise'.
@paintycup
@paintycup 3 жыл бұрын
Love this! Wonderful video
@luigidragonborn
@luigidragonborn 2 жыл бұрын
I am here today ! I could not miss thinking about the commentators /-and their soft voice -as I saw this in person Amazing !!!
@h0lda
@h0lda 3 жыл бұрын
For me, its the Ghiberti, but the comparison is so enlightening. I love the deep dive into Florentine art that you've gone into on this channel. There's so much to be said about the impact of Italian art on everything that came afterwards. Outside of the Western tradition, are there other cities with a similar relationship to art patronage? If so I'd love to see you speak on that.
@Sasha0927
@Sasha0927 Жыл бұрын
You weren't kidding about the improved photo quality here, but I loved the other edits in this updated version (e.g. the intrigue behind the artist's responses to the competition, the added biblical context, the 3 sets of doors at the end). I'd still hate to choose between them, but I'm drawn to the beauty and continuity of Ghiberti's right now.
@kik9a
@kik9a 3 жыл бұрын
Its very hard to choose between those two, each one is different and it makes it harder. But If I had to choose, I would propably vote for the Ghiberti one.
@Eudaimonia88
@Eudaimonia88 2 жыл бұрын
Simply wonderful.
@christophers_verified
@christophers_verified 3 жыл бұрын
Superb! Brilliant exposition. At first glance, the Brunelleschi captures one's attention with it's portrayal of violence and urgency, but the Ghiberti panel ultimately proves to be more moving in the way that it explores the solemnity and allegorical nature of the scene through it's depth (both literally and figuratively) and focus.
@steveschmitz2839
@steveschmitz2839 3 жыл бұрын
Great!, Thanks
@G-Q67
@G-Q67 3 жыл бұрын
My tastes tend to favor the Italian Baroque over Italian Renaissance arts; perhaps my preference for Brunelleschi reflects that. In style, his panel almost foreshadows the former.
@ArtHistorywithAlder
@ArtHistorywithAlder 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting thought, I also favor Italian Baroque and had the same preference
@AdmiralCrunch01
@AdmiralCrunch01 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for telling me to go here it's def a more clear video
@kristenpeterson3930
@kristenpeterson3930 Жыл бұрын
I’ve heard the interpretation before that the Brunelleschi is more violent and dramatic, with the angel actively intervening, but I really disagree. When I saw them I immediately felt much greater tension in the Ghiberti price because the angel has not yet managed to reach Abraham. He is at the moment of killing his son, and we don’t yet have the relief of knowing that he will be stopped. For me, Brunelleschi ‘s angel tells the story after the point of crisis has passed, and is therefore less dramatic. Ghiberti's composition is also just visually more striking, as the historians mentioned.
@sco6729
@sco6729 3 жыл бұрын
What is the most important public art made last 5 years in your city ?
@arby5044
@arby5044 Жыл бұрын
So what were these sculptures used for? Are they only for the competition or will the winner's panel's gonna be put on the door?
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history Жыл бұрын
These were not placed on the doors.
@coconutcore
@coconutcore 3 жыл бұрын
We're lucky indeed, as Brunellesci went and mopingly kicked off Renaissance architecture.
@supremereader7614
@supremereader7614 3 жыл бұрын
You guys do such a great job! Really cover all the bases ☺️👍
@gregorythomas2674
@gregorythomas2674 3 жыл бұрын
Great side by side analysis. Both are obviously wonderful and have merits. In the end, Ghiberti was clearly a much stronger metal worker. Brunelleschi had a little more drama but tough to overcome the beauty of Ghiberti's master craftsmanship. Saw his doors up close just before COVID hit. Was thrilled (until someone pointed out they were copies, the real ones are behind museum doors). Never got that confirmed but I believe that is the case. Still exciting to see in that context.
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for reaching out and for your kind words. You are correct that the original doors by Ghiberti, both the earlier set addressed in this video, and the later "Gates of Paradise" are now in the Museo dell'Opera del Duomo which is just behind the cathedral. As far as I know, the earliest set, the doors by Andrea Pisano, remain on the Baptistry.
@gregorythomas2674
@gregorythomas2674 3 жыл бұрын
@@smarthistory-art-history Cool. Hope to get back there soon! Keep up the great work! Really intelligent and compelling commentary that can help take art appreciation to another level. You help make art didactic which was often its original intent. Your insight provides critical context that has been lost over time. Grazie mille!😊👍
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history Жыл бұрын
Update, the Pisano doors are now also inside the museum.
@steveb533
@steveb533 3 жыл бұрын
bruneleschi, we love what you've done here but the thinking is we want to move in a more classical direction
@smarthistory-art-history
@smarthistory-art-history 3 жыл бұрын
ha!
@inuyashaxx
@inuyashaxx 3 жыл бұрын
The sacrifice of Isaac only seems normal to a lot of people because it’s their own religion. Consider what your reaction would be if a different religion you didn’t believe in, or even understood, did the exact same thing, demanding the murdering of a child and exalting that as a show of faith.
@stiannobelisto573
@stiannobelisto573 3 жыл бұрын
The point of the story is that he did not kill his son
@Tsumami__
@Tsumami__ 3 жыл бұрын
@@stiannobelisto573 the point of the story, actually, is that he would have in a heartbeat if the voices kept telling him to. He only doesn’t because “god” replaces the child with an animal. Classic schizophrenia. It’s a sickening story, don’t be an apologist.
@deidaraer
@deidaraer 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tsumami__ Alright, calm down atheists (from a fellow atheist). It’s a story that reflected the notion of the benevolent monarch, with God being the monarch and Abraham being the loyal follower. Monarchies and tribes were the overwhelming norm before Athenian democracy, so no reason to ruffle your feathers over this scene.
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