Nice vid, even if: -Androids stopped being given fake memories after A2's squadron got rekt -Luciferase exist irl, and the fact that it wards off WCS was discovered on accident

Third time the charm! Appreciate the effort

No worries bud. Amazing video nonetheless

did you keep the "pdf file" word in the dod1 segment? idk if that's a thing you'd want to keep in a video if you want to get it monetised but there's probably more idk

Here we go again

I can't really blame them

Its hard not to feel for the guy. On the 7th day you rest. And next thing you know, theres blood barf semen body parts pollution an ideological differences everywhere.

Self righteous wet dream.

That’s something I didn’t get from the Clemps videos. I love those videos, they got me into this entire franchise, but it’s awesome this video filled even more context in. The God blighting is something I totally missed from Drakengard

@@user-jo8kq5ed4j ........huh?

That's like most the lore tbh

Dude added lore to PCs

"And will only be distributed in Japan 😉"

For 1 hour only and it's only part 1 of that part of the lore if you want part 2 you need to go play a random mmo

You're joking right ? 🤕

Man, Accord is gonna be *so* cheesed off… 🤣

​​@@kaineandrews3790I imagine it would only delay the Inevitable even if humanity was recompleted and they set aside their differences ("Doubtful") I also imagine that this new humanity might not be fertile, also I'd expect that they might gain magic from this recompletion(their powers from being a shade I assume would Persist) ultimately even if humanity is recompleted and is able to reproduce I doubt the flowers influence would disappear so easily, and then theirs the aliens which even if we give humanity "magic" in their recompletion I find it Doubtful the "aliens" would lose. And even if humanity is able to begin rebuilding itself I can imagine the flower or god/gods doing something like reaching out to Nier and offering them a pact after they find out the truth that theirs no saving yonah (my guess is it would be something like Zeros experience with the flower either making yonah the flowers vessel in exchange for niers existence similar to what he did in order to save Kaine or Nier would become a Vessel with the power to revive yonah at the cost of breaking himself and yonah into intoners(shade Nier, replicant neir, Daddy Nier(the older version of the protagonist), yonah's shade, and replicant yonah, gives us another 5 intoners and we can add a 6 if we add the true Nier (the personalities and memories of both sides of Nier combined) which could eventually become a zero like figure being forced to kill yonah to destroy the flower (I imagine if he was in that situation he'd rather destroy all humanity and thats what I'd predict the outcome to be). Alternatively we could explore the angle of just after the shadow lord and Nier complete themselves Kaine kills them (for example she was in the middle of going in for an attack when this happens) and regrets it having seen the two merge into one and simultaneously having experienced that unification whilst going in for the attack and then gets killed(likely by self for accidentally killing Nier) and ends up resurrected by the flower in a similar deal to tyrans in exchange for her continuing to kill and losing her ability to feel love and attachment it will resurrect her loved ones with Kaine eventually coming to realise the flowers intentions and having to kill her loved ones including yonah ultimately I imagine this would probably be her worst ending. This is just me exploring possibilities.

Up until now, I kept thinking of all the philosophical messages and lessons of the story. Then, I saw this comment. ... ... And now I can't unsee it. XD

Very basic Japanese storytelling.

And at the same time, of the hope needed to go through this

lol

Something went wrong and something that wasn't supposed to happen, happened. That's basically it all

Embrace the long

​@@25meip *shlong

37 mins of sleep is how you know your a King

don't call me out lmao

Can I ask you some stuff if you know all the lore?

Seriously.. Yoko Taro is a mad genius..

You know, i wonder what if this entire series is just a cycle of one timeline doing some fucked up shit, influencing another timeline and just repeating over and over, not being a loop of only 2 timelines? For exemple, in an unseen timeline some event happened that sent Cathedral City/Dragons/Black flower to the Drakengard timeline, then the Drakengard timeline sent the Queen Beast/Angelus/Caim to the Nier timeline and next we will have another timeline where something bad will be sent from the Nier timeline?

​@@angeltzepesh1 What if the memories of all the machines sent at the end of Nier Automata IS what is sent from this timeline to a new one. Idk how that could be a curse for the new timeline but it could be infected. I'm just wildly speculating.

@@JoseGonzalez-mx3nx it could be, but my bet is we gonna finally learn more about the Kingdom of the Night, something still so ambiguous in the lore.

One problem: humans were extinct soon after Nier (~4000), and they were essentially inactive and only existed as Gestalts after ~2100. So it would have had to be Replicants (unlikely) or androids (much more likely) to create dragons, build Cathedral city, and make Accord.

@@theshadowherself Or maybe some Replicants united themselves and became Human again, then went to the Dark Side of the Earth and started to think of "how do we stop this cycle that got 99.9% of us dead". That means that they could have gone to the route of making everything and sending it through time, but it diverged to space and time, which lead them to another timeline instead of their own. All of that can mean that the Cathedral city can go somewhere else in the universe, another place, another franchise, another part which can simply change the outcome of everything, but it all will depend on their different outlook on Human nature. Accord being there, an android, it could be a part of something bigger. Something that makes sure all timelines are in one real path that leads to at least ONE timeline 2 be triumphant.

And there are still some lore pieces he didn't cover, like Michael knowing Angelus (yes, Caim Dragon)

@@alanalb1449 and, Sinoalice

​@@Gabriel-cs6wuSino Alice? The manga??

@@Lubble- both, game and manga

And still missed an entire portion of it given the raids in FFXIV.

That is probably the most Ironic part about the Lore

Right? The last "human" is literally a immortal skelington who now has almost no memory of the rest of us

He died btw

@@johnmills9954 He what now?

@@johnmills9954 Did he Die in Automata?

More the other way around no? Magic becoming indistinguishable from technology?

I get a “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” vibe too.

​@Ezekiel_Johnson No, not really. If you look at it as a repeating loop, then Cathedral City would just be made of extremely advanced tech that the people of the time would perceive as magic. And it's where most of it comes from.

@@Ultra04channel I see it more as a bootstrap paradox with magic as the item that exists in the timeloop. Where did the darksiders get their magic? From the drakengard universe. Where did cathedral city come from? The nier universe. Even if it was the case that magic is technically some kind of technology incomprehensible to us, there's still the progress from blatantly magic-y looking magic of Nier 1 to Nier Automata's applied magic technology.

​@Ezekiel_Johnson Honestly, either theory works just as well. But it's Yoko Taro, so we'll never have a clear answer. I guess my reasoning for it all being technology, is that it makes the most sense in the loop. Cathedral City is extremely advanced, nearly incomprehensible technology, with two androids designed to protect a bioweapon from being unleashed. The reason I would say for the more magic looking stuff in earlier games, is that it could be even more anomalous and unknown. It's been modified by people who have no idea what they're actually modifying. Think of it like the Mechanicus. The reason why their stuff looks so medieval and antiquated, yet is so advanced, is because they're modifying it and changing it while having no idea what's actually going on.

I’m definitely watching this soon. But there’s a guy that ranted about pl_badwater_basin for 12 HOURS!!! I watched the whole thing in one sitting……

And with reincarnation finished and the newest nier concert, yeah we can duplicate the time here

​@@alrox9760 just waiting for this guy to make an update video for that again 😭

Berserk: may i introduce myself * 24-hour long in-depth breakdown of the story*

eh? I can follow this far easier than that mess called Kingdom Hearts.

@@Zeiss120 did you not read the ‘one of’ implying one of several?

@@lightaspected yeah I did, and pointed out that it's is lesser and easier to follow than another ONE of them with convoluted wack ass story telling.

@@Zeiss120 Good for you! Your elevated senses must make your family proud.

Lol skins a bit thin with you kids these days.

I think the point of the story is that humanity _IS_ the androids. Because they're human regardless of what their bodies are made of, which is what the story was trying to convey. They also are strongly implied to have some degree of human biology in their construction as well. Most likely in the brain, especially.

The Emil's left behind on Earth isn't even the original, they're just clones used for the war against the Aliens

I doubt that is it. Humanity seemed to have quite a few ways to create immortal beings between Emil, the Grimoires and the Gestalt Project, it's just that the main system that was shown in the story (so far) has been the failed Gestalt Project. There could easily be some dudes that created their own secret bunker that never got touched by the Red Legion or the aliens, or a separate group that blasted off into space, or guys who used Maso to start world-hopping or just a secret third sibling of Emil that never got activated being kept in stasis somewhere. Hell, for all we know, the machines in the Night Kingdom might have researched bioengineering and recreated original humans in a lab.

There are zero "good heroes save the world" stories anymore. We're all depressed now and you have to be a delusional person to think otherwise completely incapable of living in the world today.

The world these days are depressing enough, if I see another story full of misery, I might as well hang myself

I think they're a reflection of the viewer. I find them all really positive and wonderful. I've seen multiple people say they wanted to end it all, but found the power to go on living thanks to Nier Automata

I think whats even more interesting is how they managed to essentially make a happy ending without it being a happy ending

Automata has a good ending though?

I noticed that below the shell they have a machine smile too. So they're absolutely replicating Emil.

​@@Utrilus yeah, I watched the anime today and that really stood out to me at the end of the second episode. It helps explain how they eat as well

For the Aliens to decide to imitate Emil and his lower level magic, honestly, is a testament to how strong he was during that war.

I never realized that, I wouldn’t think the aliens would try n copy Emil but it also makes sense to copy those who’re strong

@@idontplaygames3k296 I mean the higher end would have been the flower finding how / mutating to adapt to non-organic lifeform and absolutely wrecking havoc once more

Yeah the range of the story is what makes it the most confusing. On paper the simple explanation of man and God/monster jump to another earth in another universe while fighting, man beats god/monster. Remains of the god/monster doom humanity, fast forward thousands of years and the only thing remaining is nature and advanced AI. Semi simple explanation. But you expand on it and start talking about watchers being giant floating babies, seeds of destruction, red eye disease, and then project gestalt, gestalt/replicant system, androids and machines having emotions and being just like humans, logic virus being linked to the red eye disease. It's just a really confusing course of transformation/metamorphosis that the franchise goes through, but it makes sense. The most confusing stuff is the crossover stuff of drakengard, but once you understand the basic idea of it, it's not horrible to grasp.

Playing Nier Replicant really made me question my thoughts on mortality.

I think it's more on the duality of the two most popular franchise. The Final Fantasy games usually tell a narative of heroes fighting against the odds and winning saving the world and giving hope. Meanwhile, the Drakengard/NieR series is a heavily dark contrast of how everyone dies at the end, so enjoy it while it last type of narrative.

Also they have strong anti-violence themes. Every playable character in these games enacts pervasive violence, and the world always ends up worse off for it.

This is my 3rd time coming back to watch the video im terrified it gets taken down. I feel like I'm understanding the DaVinci code

Yeah I'll bet you rarely cry.. surrrre

I get really emotional over many dumb things because I ruined my brain with drugs when I was younger. I cry at the simplest, dumbest things... and nothing in Nier made me cry once. Especially this video, just distracted by how cringy the play is. Sounds to me like you cry all the time, or just really needed to. One of those.

The comments above really say something about degeneracy on the internet

​@@JK-ni1qeI'm in their situation, what makes you assume that they're lying. 💀

​@@I_am_a_cat_Source: trust me bro.

Read all of his manga, and ngl his work is beyond quirky, like its really friggin dark, like even if it was a manga for a mobile game about fairy tale characters turned into anime tropes, like my dumba55 thought it was just gonna be the average normal gacha game like fate, but he11 nah my man just went full on raep on all the characters, like tbh everything he makes has raep or some form of it, its certainly uncomfortable to read but I can't stop reading it, not to mention it always have short haired girls in it, just Yoko Taro subtly telling people his fetish

@Trap Himawari lol, wow I had no idea. "The author's thinly veiled fetish" meme must be accurate😅. Still I admire his grindset, and Automata saved his franchise

@@traphimawari7760 I don't know, I haven't dived into everything by him but so far it all seems more like trauma management than sharing a fetish.

You can do it!

I hope you know he is not the only one who writes the stories of the Drakengard franchise. Nier Replicant/Gestalt for example were written by 3 people.

Like humans

Erasing pascal's memories is legit the worst outcome

@@DanKaschel That's what I did, and I can fully confirm that. If I knew it would've been so horrible I would've just killed him on the spot (since by then I didn't know you could just leave).

@@EnrocaLaRoca I can't bring myself to leave. Just feels so cowardly haha

​@@EnrocaLaRoca Doesn't pascal commit suicide if you just leave?

Tf ur a psycho

Haven’t listened to it as much but i definitely agree. Something about the fact he talks like some parts are side stories just to bring them up as core media makes it entertaining to no end.

Yeah, I had a good idea of how Nier 1 (lazy) tied into 2, but this cleared up the parts where I'd go "not sure why this, but this is the result". Led to a funny interaction when 2 came out actually. 2 was the one that most people started with and a lot of people didn't even know it was 2. So when the store clerk was describing it to me, about how the androids are trying to save humanity, I went "but wait, I'm pretty sure humans were doomed in 1". He had no idea, so anyone how played 1 already new the "big" secret about humans already haha .

​@@IKMcGweeyeah my friend is trying to keep me in the dark about automata now that I'm going through it but she didn't play replicant so she has no idea it's already known

@@Crowens hahaha nice

Huge props to Yosuke Saito for fighting for it too.

@@FhtagnCthulhu Indeed

Being a hero, but without the plot armor which make all the trials worth it.

So good. I think it a story that really needs to be played for the full impact. Playing NieR it is so easy to accept the story you are told and fall into NieR's sense of righteousness. When you learn the truth, you the player are being betrayed as well.

That’s what I love about the NieR franchise as a whole the main characters that we love aren’t essentially “the good guys” even if they might view themselves that way and are flawed individuals, it just makes them feel more real.

I searched for a similar video two months ago and found nothing. Glad we finally have an end-all be-all version to understand this series.

Seriously, I can only rewatch the Clemps videos so many time (the limit of which has not been reached yet!)

Still to this day no other game or series can make me feel like how nier automata has both throughout the game and in its ending.

Previously i knew absolutely nothing about the nier series, but as you so fittingly put it; "long-form lore videos spanning multiple medias are my absolute shit" as well. I'm also one to tear up and occasionally sob over a video essay should i find something particularly touching/moving, and i can definitely say that happened multiple times throughout the essay. It's just the tragedy of it all

Long form lore videos are my absolute shit too - I just wish they were easier to find! Usually it's just a case of hope they come across my recommended :') This was incredible though!

You are so nice for this! And he’s amazing at these videos

You're an awesome person!

Creator doesnt even respond to a 25$ donation? Wtf?

@@thewitchertales Well, I mean, my donation was me saying thanks for putting so much work into something that entertained me for over 6 hrs. It would be like if you did something for someone and then they say "Thank you!" and then you say "Thank you!" and then it goes round and round. Lol! 😅 I just hope that the financial gratitude helps them to continue to be motivated to make this sort of content 😊💗

@cecimaree video was amazing i enjoyed it and watched the whole thing. You foing that as well generated alot of revenue for him, then you donated on top of that.. he could've at least said, "Glad you enjoyed it." Not saying he needed to thank you, but he could've at least acknowledged it. I feel that it's rude he didn't.

Hey if we can sit through 4 hours of justice league, this seems like a cakewalk in comparison 😂

@@ayaxmcgill635except this story is functional and enjoyable unlike the justice league movie 😂

And in Drakengard 3, Zero was always betrayed by humans, but in the end succeeds thanks to disciples, an android, and a dragon who were totally loyal to her and had her back and even sacrificed themselves to help her ❤ The only people she ever smiled at in her whole life other than men in the brothel - probably - were Decadus and Mikhail, and she would have smiled at Octa too, if it were possible. And Accords interference with the timeline is akin the the player (you) interfering with the timeline in the ending E credits 🥳

Mmm tasty word salad

I really hope now that the game is done, someone compiles all the lore somehow

I spent so much time beating that boss...

I mean...Accord herself confirms that all Branches still go on even after she abandons one for another. So in a way, Branch D's existence in the Yokoverse is canon because it leads off from the main Drakengard 3 timeline, similar to how Drakengard 2 leads off from Drakengard's Ending A. However, like Drakengard 2 with Nier Replicant, Branch D contradicts the events of the original Drakengard because the Flower is gone for good, which means the Watchers no longer exist, which means that the Grotesquerie Queen's absence keeps both the Drakengard world and the Nier world safe. Tldr: Branch D's existence in the Yokoverse is indeed canon, but it is not canon to the timeline that culminates into Nier Automata.

Yep, all the happier or more "wrapped-up" endings/branches are never the canon ones. Maybe canon isn't the right word though. The branches are canon, but just as that, timeline branches, in which they don't effect one another, but still happen simultaneously, and one is just the longest told continuity. The only thing that truly isn't canon is dod2, not that it matters, it might as well be too in that sense.

Also man, reuploading sucks but it's worth watching every time

I assume you tried the "legend of heroes" games?

@@Hydus not yet, but if it comes to that then I'll have to pull a Gigguk and play every single one of them someday

Have fun in Drakengard 1 king

​@Astral52 Do it. I started the first game in the Trails series almost 2 years ago. I'm wrapping up game 9 right now (which is as many that are localized). Single greatest video game franchise story of all time. An amazing experience. I think you'll love them. That said, this video is a fantastic format for a similarly deep and convoluted story. Great work!!

The final boss of the *incredibly lore-important* FF14 crossover event kinda-sorta implies there's a little more to it

Fnuk... if you put it that way...nothing is coincidence :D Yoko Taro, you glorious bastard...

I also kinda thought it was a nod to either them or the fact all the disciples turn into doves

​@@MemoryMoriNaw dude is a mad genius when it comes to world building and story telling.🤯🤯

I DID NOT THINK OF IT THAT WAY! YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING! :O

The mistake I see a lot of people are making is that NIER deals with cycles not loops. Nier Gestalt did happen but 100 years before Nier Replicant, it's a cycle a repeated event with few differences (think WWI and WWII). Like how the anime is a cycle of the game. Note at Ending E the game is finished, you have killed the Yorha (god) project and have ended the cycle. Also if you read the bible you can see some links and influences that were pulled from there as well. (The 2nd coming was the groestque queen, the god of drakengard world), food for thought.

@@luckydannumber2 Me when I understand history and think ww1 and ww2 are a repeated even with few changes

@@Ezekiel_Allium yeah, talk about a very poor understanding of history

The "true ending" was in Grimoire Nier, and was added to the Replicant remake. It wasn't, to my knowledge, in Gestalt or OG Replicant.

@@luckydannumber2 Bro you need to get a basic education before you start talking lmfao. WW2 isn't a 'repetition' of WW1 just because it has a 2 on the end. Automata also isn't cyclical aside from 9S dying and being repaired. Everything happens once. 9S dying and being brought back does not lead to repeating any missions or events aside from his death which happens in different ways each time.

Another things I realised during route E: the very first shades you ever find after the prologue... aren't hostile. If you stand there they won't attack you (I think even if you wack them they won't try to fight back).

@@EnrocaLaRocaSame with Adam in Automata.

​@@ceruleanrock2265It's the same when you encounter A2 for the first time, she is passive until you attack

What??? I need to finish that game 🤔🤔

Same here I'm doing the most mundane work and it stopped lmao

same lmao

Bro same and I was about an hour or so to the end like what the hell

Looks like a party in here, mind if I join?

Yoooo

I mean I assume she is still "alive" similar to how Tyraaan is in Kaine, she is also a passenger in the body she shares with her brother. At least, I think Yokotaro should gave Emil a mental partner which would probably have helped as he was splitting into his clones during the alien war.

I feel like the dragons lose their wish to make a pact, as losing the most precious thing is the cost. And it seems like the wish thing wasn't canon yet during the first Drakengard game, since it would invalidate the reason for a pact with the protagonist.

@@Utrilus Wasn't this stated otherwise with Michael into Mikhail during his time with Zero?

@@brightwallmusic2908 Michael and Zero were never pact partners. Zero made a pact with Mikhail at the very end of her story, because the dragon wasn't going to use his Last Wish to reincarnate, but it was very brief because they died together.

Quite accurate actually. From the POV of the star everything would be perfectly normal, it's from outside that we'd see the star disappear into the event horizon.

​@@farfa2937 umm. No. A star approaching a black hole is a very violent process.

a tear? this game makes me cry rivers every time i play it

I'd argue that we're not trapped in a cycle of life and death. Actually, I'd argue that death isn't the opposite of life. Life and death are just portals into which one enters and exits the human experience. We don't really become nothing after death, either, as our bodies continue to be a part of nature and have a purpose in it. It's not so much a never ending spiral of life and death so much as it a never ending cycle of nature that I think we're all pretty lucky to be a part of.

Hi! Can you recommend other videos, articles etc similar to this one that you think are good? Thanks in advance

Yea, I can keep up with my friend's knowledge about the series Because I hate the style the games are in ( it feels like it plays like 2003 generic jrpg ) and I was never going to play any of the games, outside possibly maybe drakengard for the watchers. The watchers are creepy, but very interesting. The watchers and the music are the only reasons that I have any interest in this series at all because the music that I found out in ff14, is godtier. Otherwise, it's Yoko Taro trying to be an emo edgelord trying to destroy everything because he hates happy endings does not sit well with me.

When she is forced to « pleasure » herself oof😢

Seconded, how did a seed of destruction get there, and could there be more of them? The raid left a lot of unanswered questions.

Still terrified of the prospect of Chlorination syndrome coming to the First or Source HEEHEE

​@@aerypear2254fr. I can't think of any possible counter other than furthered research into the work of Dr Lugae of ripping out people's souls. Even then it's a long shot

​@@aerypear2254imagine dealing with sin eaters for 100 years and then almost immediately dealing with white chlorination

I believe there are a ton of creative people like him out there, just waiting for the chance to do something on this scale. The guy is so fortunate to have 4 big entries like this, especially since Automata made so much money. Can't help but feel extremely happy for the guy, honestly. More companies need to take a chance and let artists get weird.

@@Miriam_J_ All thanks to 2B's booty

your comment just made me realize this video’s 6 hours long 🗿 anything for NieR

I'm 40+ now, and the Nier Series ist only the second one that I can think of. The first one was Xenosaga, also very epic and philosophical, but not as dark.

The God of Yoko Taro's mythos believed humanity was a mistake big enough to deserve to be completely wiped off of every timeline. He kinda needs to show the darker aspects of humans for that God's belief to be uhhh "reasonable."

​@@t.k.5088 Well drakengard showed us how bad humans can be. NieR doesn't show us that. It shows the tragedy of being human. Replicants, gestalts, androids, and especially YoRHa androids. We see them live and suffer like we do, and usually in the worst ways. Or we watch them be a part of a tragedy. Drakengard makes you see the gods point. NieR makes you go "hey no wait, this isn't right, they don't deserve this" The NieR games emphasize so much on HOW people suffer and HOW they cope with that suffering. Replicant has kaine with her past bullying and abuse, causing her to have self image issues and a tough persona. How emil loses his body and becomes a freak, and copes eventually thanks to kaines sympathy. Then there's automata, which is basically a game entirely about how people cope with their existence. 9S loses everything that kept him going. How does he cope? He goes mad with hatred and grief, and his mental state declines sharply into insanity as he becomes more depressed and eventually resolves to die after avenging 2B. Basically going on a suicide mission, where suicide is the intention. Meanwhile the machines are shown throughout the entire game to cope with their existence by mimicking humans and trying to be like us. Failing in the process, and end up adapting some of our worst traits. They cope with a lack of meaning in their existence by perpetuating the war they fight that has no point, because they were made to fight the "enemy". A2 copes with her immense survivors guilt by swearing to kill every last machine she can, as long as she can. She finds atonement in her living because her living is painful and filled with regret. Eventually she's able to fully cope, and grows beyond her blind contempt for machines, and is able to accept them even. She dies ready to meet her friends again. (Until ending E of course). 2B copes with her existence by relying entirely on 9S for her emotional well being, even though 9S is the direct cause of horrible mental state. So she essentially copes with her grief and sorrow for killing him over and over, by keeping her promise to him that they'll see each other again after every death. Her coping is the saddest I think since what she does to make herself and 9S happy, is directly what causes all of her suffering, and she can't escape this cycle on her own. TLDR: drakengard series is the worst of humanity, NieR series is humanity put through the worst.

@@t.k.5088 bro even god in real life in abrahamic religion still doomed humans. i dont think Taro does it for the sake of being reasonable, its just doomsday the classic, don't really need any reason it's just a style and genre

Yeah that is definitely one of my favourite aspects in this series is that we see the main characters that we follow in each game aren’t essentially the “good guys” and can be viewed as the antagonists especially with the some of the actions they pulled it just makes them feel like actual people.

@@t.k.5088 that's some fucked up religion and I thought Baldur's Gate cult of Bhaal was bad.