That's because Coleman benefits from the lie so he's ok with it.

​@@JNYC-gb1ppBlacks already deal with low self esteem issues. Imagine being surrounded by pretty white people with blonde hair and blue eyes, who are more articulate than you are, and who outperform you all the time, and at one point they literally used you as farm livestock because that's all you were to them. Once IQ data starts to go mainstream, it'll get substantially more depressing for them. Feelings of inferiority are already so high and repressed by them. I understand why Coleman is sympathetic.

That's trash. Who's defining reasonable world. War is very likely in a world of finite resources. They were not too smart in that exchange.

No, the issue isn't that IQ is a real measure. The issue is why are you measuring it by race instead of by families? White isn't a group. Neither is black. There are low IQ people in both groups, and high IQ people in both groups. So why not just see what the high IQ and low IQ people across these groups have in common?

@@lucianp2616 tell them that

@@KidTreky but Asian are smarter tho No one can deny that

This thing also correlates with conflict, crime, violence, creativity , art and desire for more

@@shunsuke8321 No Asians are just the most disciplined group.

Accepting critical theory and white privilege reality is only scary if you see people as groups.

@@Black-my4un THANK YOU. someone with some sense

@Tyreepsych That is not why IQ tests are administered now. You're about 100 years behind on intelligence research.

@Tyreepsych IQ or g score have some flaws, but it is an absolutely amazing predictor of income in 1st world countries in the 21st century. So anything that has to do with income differences is explained extremely well by IQ differences. This is an important factor to remember when trying to take into account life outcomes of different groups in places like the US. If you look at median income by group in the US and compare that to differences in IQ, then they match up just about perfectly. That doesn't mean that something like affirmative action should be completely eliminated, but we need to be honest why affirmative action exists and not blame racism for the need of an affirmative action program.

@Tyreepsych Maybe not 100 years ago, but now they are.

@Tyreepsych No, they won't. That's what we call "pop psychology." Intelligence researchers will tell you they're the best way we have to measure intelligence if you survey them, which of course has been done.

@@MeanBeanComedy We still don't have sufficient evidence that IQ is tied in with race. What we do know is the IQ gap is shortening between whites and blacks in the US as groups attain the same healthy environments etc

The categories used to group people into races are taken for granted. In the U.S., White includes all people originating from the many nations of Europe; North Africa; and the Middle East. Where does one race category start and end exactly? We know what the U.S. says on the matter. But that question about race can actually be answered by reading a bit about genetics, but I suspect some out there would find it unpalatable. There are people included in the White category today, that the average U.S. citizen may have consider suspect or unimaginable not too long ago. These categories appear to be based on social political reasons, and of course color. Categories are never questioned, that's why this stuff matters.

It gets worse, median IQ on most of the continent of Africa is 65-70. Most of South America is 85. But what is more important than IQ is conscientiousness, knowing right from wrong and controlling your behavior.

@@bonniespeck Have you ever really looked at the origin of the numbers you cited?

@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING Also many mixed people are still put under the same category as "blacks".

I had my IQ tested when I was 12 it is 130..

Oh, is that who this guy is? I bought that book in the 90's and never quite finished it. I guess I didn't get to the "objectionable" chapter, because I always wondered what people were complaining about. I should probably finish reading it.

I used to be more on the leftist side of the spectrum when it came to social issues and racial disparities until I read The Bell Curve. It was a hard, hard read and challenged a lot of my beliefs that were difficult to let go of, but I'm so much better off now and the world makes a lot more sense. It's tough love, that book.

The worst part was had people paid better attention to the divide which he was warning about then we may have lessened how bad society has fragmented. Charles was not disparaging different races in that book he was trying to present the evidence that is still unchanged today and then he was trying to make an argument about what was happening to society as it stratified into a ruling class and the ruled over masses!

@@ognargormsby7121 It's even worse than that, Murray was proposing that ONLY once we accept the average IQ gap, (which so many are still in Denial of!), can we make provisions to try and lessen the effects of it, through education structuring, summer schools, after school club/homework club etc etc. But if we blindly deny its' existence, despite the research and empirical evidence, then we can only look at difference in outcomes and cry 'racism'! (Meantime, the Asian kids are top of the class and elite professions wondering what the Hell this 'systemic racism' is and how did it not affect them, LOL!)

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Agreed. It’s a growing pain too. If a human was brought up by wolves, such as with Mowgli in The Jungle Book, it wouldn’t be surprising if they were initially suspicious of humans who even had the same racial characteristics as them. And it also shouldn’t be surprising that the infantilisation of various racial groups by the Democrat Party makes portions of those groups more culturally entrenched and racist, especially the portions who come from broken environments, and yet…

As a non-white lol, I don't have a problem with interracial marriage, but the thought of a white girl marrying me or some other minority out of some kind of condescension, social justice, savior complex, or fetish creeps me the eff out. When you hear the things they say about minorities regarding cultural and political issues, well how are they not talking about you? I get the feeling a lot of women marry them for those reasons, and honestly it makes me lose respect for their partners. Like have some self-respect bro.

@@bradspitt3896 Yeah, I've encountered a few white women who fetishise black men. Its definitely a bit creepy. Don't get me wrong. Anyone is free to have any dating preference they want. It's the reasons they give that just sound so bizarre and make it clear that they are making all kinds of group based assumptions and that it is not the individual in question that is of genuine interest to them.

But yea survey questions are often too abstract.

There is a funny sex element to this question to. Ask a black man what he thinks about black men marrying white women and he most likely be fine with it. Ask him what he thinks about white men marrying black women and you will generally get a far less approving response. Ask a black woman how she feels about black men marrying white women and she will generally be far less approving than the guy was. She is likely more accepting of black women marrying white men. I'm not sure exactly why this is but I have found it to be fairly reliable in general (plenty of exceptions, of course, but the majority of cases) This cross-sex difference in view on what should be essentially the same question holds true across all races so far as I am aware. It is as though each sex has almost proprietary feelings about the opposite sex of their own race.

You will not find this on mainstream media because they have no agenda in promoting garbage pseudoscience.

@@jcarc5701 how is having a debate/conversation about statistical realities, promoting garbage science?

@@prybarknives Are you that dishonest or just obtuse?

@@jcarc5701 What garbage pseudoscience are you referring to - examples and citations please?

@@douglasherron7534 Everything written by Charles Murray.

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Based Father we need more like him

I would feel exactly the same if my daughter had a black boyfriend. I would hate it instinctively. But I would meet the boy.

Preach

Your humility regarding your 23 yrs. is admirable. However, I think you have an old head on your shoulders. Very much enjoyed your comment. ✌️x

Charles doesn't want to treat people as individuals, he clearly wants to ascribe inferiority to racial groups that don't fit into the mean IQ. Read quotes from him from the past, and you'll discover that he is a racist, bad faith actor, presenting this stuff under the guise of "muh science".

well said

This is very true, call a Puerto Rican mexican once and you'll see it live and maybe survive to tell the tale. I did 6 years in the army with people from every country, lived in korea and japan, and each culture seems to interact differently. For example we had a guy from Nigeria in basic training, he was amazing funny, smart hard working and there were three guys from the hood and he couldnt stand them cause they kept getting us in trouble with the drill sgts. By the end of basic though all of us called each other brother cause we had to come together and rely on each other to get through it. Honestly, that's the only way I see the end of any kind of racism is through experience and teamwork.

the irony: mainstreaming is the educational term for forcing cognitively challenged students to sit in the same classes as cognitively average.

I could be wrong but I have never seen such irrational behavior coming form our establishment elites

Signs of a dying empire.

Coleman is completely intellectually anemic for this point. Ignoring yucky facts is not respectable imo

Racial politics didn't start and will not end with the US

Bryce. Take GF and the Blm movement some people in the uk seem to think that USA history be it slavery or electoral supression in Alabama applies to Peckham London etc. It doesn’t totally different history not least as West Indian migration started in around 1950. Taking the knee which in the uk followed floyd blm, why? What’s it got to do with the uk or let alone other European countries?

@@brycemonkey3867 you’re so oppressed that you’re able to make comments like this on a public platform.

The anglosphere is full of it. It will all be so different when real democracies such as China and Iran and their allies run the world

@@youtubeyoutube936 you honestly think this is just about America? That's what some might want you to believe. This isn't new and it's not exclusive to America. This is class struggle re-packaged and cleverly manipulated. It's a tale as old as modern civilization.

He did you a favor

@@jeanpaulgartier3404 how could breaking up happy people and making the world a little more miserable possibly be a good thing

@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Mixed race kids have issues with identity. To reduce this issue, people should stick to their own. Not saying it can be reduced 100 percent, but it is something to keep in mind. These culture clashes and identity clashes cause conflict which sows distrust and fractures the family. We need stronger family units and that can't happen when different racial groups inevitably conflict with one another, particularly within racially mixed family relations.

@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 Liberal silliness. Identity is important.

@@raderT90 bro humans are humans look at India they have a lot of problems because they have no race diversity also ur not 100% one race I mean that because not all white ppl are not the same soo ur probably not 100% one race check ur dna Ik ur not 100% German or French

And what about class, culture? Some stick around, some don't, and also why look only at the men and not the women? Do women want the men to stick around? Is marriage important? These are questions which have more to do with culture than race.

@@lucianp2616 Whether or not people get & remain married, whether they have illegitimate children or not, is correlated with IQ. IQ and race are correlated. You're not going to be able to escape race when it comes to these issues.

@@TheOpenSociety777 Elon Musk?

@@TheOpenSociety777 Whether you believe in marriage or not has nothing to do with IQ or race. That is culture and beliefs. Not everyone values traditional nuclear family or cares about marriage. Marriage is just a contract unless you're religious.

@@TheOpenSociety777 And also what about the women? In the deadbeat situations it's women who chose men who either can't afford to provide or who won't make good fathers. Again that has nothing to do with IQ unless you mean to imply the women choosing these men have lower IQs. Women who want to look out for themselves need to negotiate a better contract with the men they choose as sperm donors or fathers.

Wow u rite

It's not only a preference, it might be genetical to want your offsprings to look like you.

Why does it matter that grand children “look like you”?

@@MelGibsonFan Because it's normal and healthy behaviour. Humans, like all species are programmed to pass on their own genes and to have a fundamental distrust of "the other". Nothing to vilify about it.

@@cauliflowersupremacist8789 That doesn’t answer the question though. You’re kind of just asserting that it’s “normal” and “healthy” then trampling all over the is/ought distinction. Lol. Not even gonna get into the thinly veiled shit in your avatar.

As a pure European-American, I would not want a third-world latino living in my neighborhood (you probably couldn't afford it anyway). Stick with your kind.

@@ColorMatching you're pathetic, brother.

@@ColorMatching In my opinion, it is always a mistake to generalize about any population of people and apply that to a specific individual. So yes that is the point that Dr. Murray is making. But what possible benefit does your comment contribute to this discourse? Let’s not make hateful comments and instead disagree respectfully.

@@anthonydhan Are you guys fine with him not allowing his daughter to date an African-American?

@@ColorMatching I think decisions about who to marry for oneself or for one’s progeny should be left to each person. The reasons for their decision may or may not be racist. In any case who is harmed? If they deny themselves or their progeny advantageous marriages as the result of racial prejudice, they only harm themselves. I was objecting more to the tone, and what seemed to me, a hate-filled response. This is clearly a sensitive area, and wouldn’t it be better to encourage more discourse that can result in enlightenment of more folks if we don’t attack people for their honest opinions? I think it’s ok to disagree. I only wish that we do so with more civility.

Thank you Murray for the same.

Jated Diamond argues in his book Guns, Germs and Steel that Europeans and Asians got an enormous head start because of geography: some plants lend themselves to agriculture by producing energy-dense seeds which are easily harvested and which have a long shelf life after drying the Mediterranean climate was ideal for growing these plants Europe/Asia has a long east/west strip which allowed agriculture to propagate the Americas have regions with the same climate, but the dominant axis is north/south so those areas are separated and constrained; agriculture wasn't able to propagate the same way the Indigenous Australians could never have invented agriculture because the domesticatable plants simply weren't present, likewise with many other places agriculture meant that an individual could generate more food than they required, which enabled specialisation and a division of labour, which in turn enabled innovation certain types of animals lend themselves to domestication (especially important is a herding instinct); almost all these animals were present in Europe/Asia, and absent elsewhere domesticated livestock added to the food surplus, and added mobility living at close quarters with the domesticated livestock led to disease transmission, and after some time a "herd immunity" within the human population; the indigenous peoples who were later invaded had not acquired such immunity and were heavily impacted by diseases brought by colonists/conquerors On top of that, the alphabet was invented in the Mediterranean region whixh enabled transmission of knowledge, which enabled growth of knowledge, which imparted military abd commercial advantage With these advantages, the rest of the world didn't have a chance. At least, not for the first 10,000 years. But oil became incredibly important a bit over a century ago, and the existing empires were absolutely smashed by WWI. We're at the beginning of a new chapter. A Chinese diplomat was asked what he thought of the French Revolution and he replied, "It's too early to tell". That's probably pretty true.

Advocating fairy tales in place of scientific truth is not very rational, although clearly Coleman has a rationale.

Most people can't interpret the facts. That is why discussing them openly is important, because you never communicate a fact without its objective implications; that is the job of experts. At that point people decide which explanation fits better to reality, not discussing the facts themselves (because they are not equipped to understand the raw data)

@Shimmy Shai there is no solution only tradeoffs.

Lmao, that wasn't reality, it was propaganda. Life in Europe has always been much better than in the US. American culture is poison. Racial division and never even achieved the basic welfare and workers' rights shit that Europe attained 70 years ago.

It started with the destruction of education by Marxists.

Except that Egypt was a multi-cultural society and so was Rome. Anyone in the Roman Empire who had the money could buy citizenship (any many did). The Roman Legions were mixed with mercenary Goths and other Germanic soldiers. Most people who say "multi-cultural societies are dysfunctional" know very little about actual history.

@@jonothandoeser I do not know why you think your are describing a society that could be termed as "functional" by the standards of modern societies.

@@WhtetstoneFlunky Actually, I'm not talking about "societies", I'm talking about some of the longest-lasting Civilizations in the West. In fact, these were the Civilizations that later Civilizations copied and borrowed from, because they were so successful.

@@jonothandoeser Instead of criticizing her comment you should learn a little bit about history yourself. You referring too, the Roman Empire when it was in decline that we see multiculturalism. Ancient Egypt like wise , although the fall of Egypt is officially dated as from the end of the 25th Dynasty, in reality the true ancient Egyptians had vanished more than 200 years earlier. So basically multiculturalism is a downfall of a foundation based on its founding roots.

@@jonothandoeser Okay, I'll use the term "civilizations". In the Roman Empire different ethnic and religious demographics were treated differently. That is what I mean by "dysfunctional by modern standards". What was good then will not fly now. By my definition, America was dysfunctional in 1800 due to slavery. There were different ethnic demographics treated differently even though it was largely accepted then and therefore few protesters in the streets.

true, but what are we going to do then? What do you say to the person saying "blacks are underrepresented in academia and higher positions in tech companies"? If you acknowledge group differences, you risk white power idiots using that for their ends. If you don't, you will always hear "america is a racist country" and "whites are opressors" and have black power idiots. And because you can never fixthe problem and help the actual people (because you can not even acknowledge the problem), this does not go away. "forbidden" knowledge is always dangerous. These things have to be studied. We can talk about solutions and so on afterwards, that is where values come in. But making research and knowledge itself taboo is insanely dangerous and unamerican

Yeah, you'll have to forgive us for having no patience with white supremacist pseudoscience.

@@matthewharris8819 Some Jewish populations score highest in IQ tests. Even if that wasn't the case, it is irrelevant. In sort of democratic nations there's the responsability for the average individual to model the world in order to take the best possible choice. That includes a good model of intelligence itself, and differences between arbitrary or not groups are what is found. Its absurd to believe that everything someone says is false because they are from whatever ideology or is perceived as such.

@@businessproyects2615 Group level statistics are absolutely useless. They don't tell us anything useful. There is always a distribution, and you have no idea where an individual person falls on that distribution until you test them individually. And nothing changes their civil and legal rights. The only use that anyone has for group level statistics is to justify atrocities. That's certainly what Charles Murray is after.

@@matthewharris8819 Is useful to avoid atrocities too, the greatest atrocities in history were Marxist ones, not the ones you are thinking about. The Marxists in the Soviet Union thought every difference was due to explotation, that meant that people who just worked harder or otherwise earnt it in their own way without exploiting anybody ended up being shot. There's the argument to be made that in fact denying biological realities leads to the reasoning that every difference which is biologic is due to explotation AKA evil. Its obviously absurd to think that everything is biology, but the fact remains, if you try to hide biology what is left?. Evil?.

@Bart Roberts Not around the world. Rwhanda is rising economically along with many other countries in Africa. Economists predict that Africa will be the faster growing economy in the 21st century. Moreover, many Uber Educated Africans from Kenya are taking up positions in academia, tech, and medicine along the west coast. As foreign workers, they are not given Affermative action and are held to the same standards as South or East Asian Foreign workers. One of these Kenyans was actually my Calculus professor, and he taught the subject better than all other professors in my whole university.

@Bart Roberts You need to travel outside the US and talk to black people in other countries… then you will realize that this “systemic racism” by design is mostly uniquely American.

I'll steal Brett Weinstein's argument and say that we're living in the wake of systemic racism rather than active systemic racism. Almost no one in wider society is aggressively openly promoting racial preferences against traditional minorities (although they certainly are against "white" people now). However, we are still dealing with a very real legacy of a number of different but overlapping systems with racism deeply involved within them. Which is doubly crippling because we can't actually get to the people who are responsible or treat the problem at the root, and yet we still live with the consequences. However, the IQ issue can also be concomitantly true. So, as ever, focusing on the rights of the individual is paramount. Any other action chains people together unfairly-and I intend that entendre because the rationales that lead to it are the same in any collectivism. White supremacy or wokism. Doesn't matter.

@Samuel Pierce Again, these foreign students from Kenya are not given Affermative action. They have to have higher GPA, SAT, and TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) scores than US natives to get into the same Unis. Those metrics are not some pieces of paper, they are metrics. Also, most of these Kenyans come from esteemed, rigorous, private schools set up in Kenya. They control for grade inflation and have international accreditation (not mills). If anything, GPA from US schools should absolutely be thrown out due to massive grade inflation, grade inflation not seen in East Asian or Private African schools.

@@user-ef4gf7rr9r Sure, its a rose by any other name. I find it perplexing, but understandable that those who yell loudest about racism and racist them selves. It makes no sense to blame everyone of one race for the sins of the distant past. The Black community has been so crippled by the very one's they believe are trying to help them. Today they are at a point where being treated equally is not enough, retribution is the order of the day. My assessment is that the democrats and media have spent decades telling them they will never get ahead because of their skin color that they cannot conceive of their own way.

Nice summation!

We have crossed that Rubicon.

The problem is that our society is built on the illusion that ethnicities want to live together. They don't. It doesn't matter if you're black or white. Ethnicities want to be separate. Wokism is an attack on "whiteness" exactly for this reason.

@@jeupater1429 I don’t think this has to do with ethnicity, much more with culture.

@@yuliadubov2964 well I'm sorry but the idea that it's all just cultural aspects is not sufficient to explain findings in the literature. On average ppl even tend to choose friends that are more genetically similar to themselves than would be expected by the medium population, even among the same ethnicity, there's no cultural basis for this. Yet, it is completely congruent with Dawkins selfish gene theory. And same can be said for mate selection. Genes want to reproduce themselves not just the organism. The fact is ppl with only rudimentary understanding of genetics almost always undervalue the importance of genes, when in reality, lacking knowledge in genetics, they don't have an educated opinion.

Terrible argument. Missing so many variables

If skin cells has different selection pressures on different continents, surely nerve cells can have different selective pressures. Coleman Hughes an outlier in his cohort and unfortunately he's not representative of the average or we would not have the discrepancy we see today. Objective fact has to be the baseline for the debate or else we will have a dissonance between wishful thinking and objective reality. It's from this dissonance that wokeness find its nourishment as it seeks to explain the gap by introducing ideas such as "structural racism" to explain why there's a difference in outcome, given a presumption of equal input. The next generation of antiracism has to confront the fact that there's an unequal input because of historical evolution pressures and work from there, without factually false presumptions or to rely on social constructivism to wish away (individual and group) human variance. We also have to apply Hume's Law and stop conflating intelligence (is) with human dignity (ought). As long as everyone contributes to society it's secondary if they contribute as street sweepers or as software engineers.

@@LeonardTavast this is so painfully obvious I don’t see how people reject it. It’s the truth, it’s evident and manifests in every way possible. People insert their own wishful thinking and ignore what stands before them.

​@@Kevin-kj5thThere is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.

Because race isn't based on genetics. People categorized as white don't share a lot of genetics. You share a phenotype, not genetics. People categorized as black also don't share a lot of genetics. Again it's phenotype not genetics which is shared. IQ can be genetic, and also be independent of phenotype. So why are we looking at phenotype when asking questions about IQ? We aren't looking at genetics. You aren't asking these test takers to take a genetic test, and showing that different genetic mixes are getting different scores. For that reason it's unscientific because I don't even know the genes of "average white" or "average black" in those statistics. Just seeing the responses to this video shows me most people aren't very scientific and putting this mainstream is only promoting more ignorance on genetics.

Testosterone and aggression

Temperament can be bred into dogs within a few generations, it isn't outlandish to posit that disparate populations developed different behavioral patterns over time. Then that culture ingrained these through sexual selection of those patterns.

Yeah, I’d rate these as “equally interesting” or “equally important”. I’ve lived in two parts of the world, North America and East Asia. I can see differences in personality traits between Western/European people and Eastern people. There are relationships between the personalities of the people and the economies and governments the people create. There’s much yet to be rigorously studied about the variation in human nature and the effects on large-scale social phenomena.

@@30803080308030803081 Culture is formed by history, and an individual’s behavior is shaped to a large extent by cultural influences. It would be extremely surprising if disparate ethnic groups did not exhibit different behavior at the individual level.

Do you have any links to research or helpful overview articles?

You obviously know nothing about crt and it’s origins. Please tell me it’s tenets and it’s origins. I’m almost certain you’ll get it wrong, like every other white person who hopped on the anti CRT bandwagon.

@@Jay_Em10 careful, your obvious racist attitude toward white people is showing in a public forum. Must be why you don’t use your real name. Wow, racism and cowardice do go together.

@@christopherwhitehurst9090 correcting a blatant mischaracterization of a theory that addresses the affects of institutionalized anti black racism throughout American history is quite the opposite. You wouldn’t dare be so stupid to call a Jewish person racist for calling out a German who undermines the affects of the Holocaust through curriculum . But look. I’m not so foolish to assume that a white person could shed himself of white superiority complex to humbly understand a theory about the effects of black suffering. FYI. MLK influenced critical race theory. Do your research.

CRT has roots in Critical Theory, and posits that US institutions are inherently racist / serve the purpose of oppressing people of color. Like all Marxist intellectual movements, it emphasizes the relationship between an oppressing group and an oppressed group. The problem is that you can't empirically prove what percent of differences among groups of people are due to systemic racism vs. cultural behaviors vs. genetic characteristics vs anything else. If you want to teach CRT, it is also necessary to teach The Bell Curve and analyze differences between prosperous/degenerate cultural practices. Our biases are going to lead us to accept one theory over the others by default, but it is dishonest to claim with certainty that one theory above all else explains everything. I'll close by stating the obvious, that nothing ever good resulted from the implementation of Marxist thought. The 20th century is a bloody reminder. Nothing changes just because you dress it up as the correct way to promote racial equality. Stop lying to yourself and accept some responsibility for your actions.

@@snakyjake9 critical race theory has roots in critical legal studies (CLS) which has roots in critical theory. Get it right. Also, it has nothing to do with Marxism. The theory originated from a black law professor named Derrick Bell during his time at Harvard law. It has nothing to do with Marxism. The ignorance on this topic is mimicking mass hysteria.

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Sometimes you just have to bump that speed up. I have to listen at 1.2 and 1.5 most the time.

I would love it

Electronic Ambien.

@@liamwinter4512 1.75 for me

Regardless if the studies are actually true enough, it is infuriating when people use broad sociological trends to dictate how they treat others. Sjws and some right wing people do this, they dont see individuals they see group identity

Now put a bunch of ethnicities together in a city and ask yourself again how this is relevant.

Because group dynamics govern societal progress, cultural decline, & politics.

@@southafricanizationofsociety20 In a general sense, that's true. My complaint is about people taking these things personally, as individuals.

But small differences in group characteristics can have major societal effects. An example of thus would be the fact that every white created country is great while Africa sucks

In science and philosophy, a just-so story is an untestable narrative explanation for a cultural practice, a biological trait, or behavior of humans or other animals. The pejorative nature of the expression is an implicit criticism that reminds the listener of the fictional and unprovable nature of such an explanation. Such tales are common in folklore genres like mythology.

The average European has an IQ about 30 points than the typical Ethiopean. Just a fact.

@@NanakiRowan That is a great explanation of a fallacy that I am sure will whiz right past that guys head

An average American black or white can't outrun an average Ethiopian. Genes do play a role in muscle fiber type. But genes aren't based on race. The key is Ethiopian genes, not black genes, not white genes, not "European" genes, but the Ethiopian gene for type 1 muscle fibers. And this is a gene not all or even most black people get.

Immigrants are not a representative sample of the population. That example doesn’t work.

African immigrants, largely, find Afro Americans inferior. Their parents don’t approve of intermarriage.

@@foxbodyblues6709 I think he meant the same person that said no on a survey would say yes if it was more specific to African immigrants.

@@blakesleyk.7166 they often attribute this supposed superiority to their genetic differences and cultural traits- until you point out that they fled countries where their people run everything to go to countries where they don’t.

@@mrs.americanpie2079 I’m lifelong leftist. Lifelong student of history. Yes, we agree. How’s the failed state of Liberia faring y’all?

Coleman has gone full click bait? Seems to be working..

@@thetshirtblog I think the thumbnail is Colemans way of poking fun at those who freak out, when speaking about these topics, since nowhere in the discussion does he act like that ^^.

“Among blacks, 76% of self-described conservatives, 71% of moderates, and 76% of liberals favor affirmative action programs for minorities.” (Gallup) African Americans do not subscribe to individualism, they are very tribal and collectivist, but they’re happy if other groups, mainly White, are individualists. Their support for the discrimination of Whites and Asians via affirmative action hovers around 72% (Gallup, 2019) over the last 20 years.

“Common ancestry, common culture, common environment - all these factors contribute to the genomes of individuals of the same ethnic groups.” -CBS New, “Culture etched on our DNA…”2017

I do agree with most of what you say accept that race is a “social construct”. Why isn’t birds a “social construct”? To be able to communicate, humans needs to classify things and put words on it otherwise it’s just grunts. Other than that, great text. 😁

@@jonahn1841 Birds aren’t even comparable to the _human_ race because they have vast differences in size, ability, lifestyle, and more. Ethnic subgroups are nowhere near as simple as the modern “white”, “black”, “hispanic”, “asian”, etc., and we’re all incredibly similar. New, more accurate classifications should become mainstream.

@@jonahn1841 IMHO - It's a social construct to the extent we are relying on minor physical differences within the same species to separate groups. Example - why aren't people with naturally occurring red hair, fair skin and freckles considered a separate race, rather than designated as "white". We chose skin color for societal reasons - not because there is any inherent biological differences between us. This is different from designating species - like eagles versus owls - where they can't procreate across species.

@@beamsgr Mostly because race is a proxy for saying 'genetic stock which originated in X geographic area', it just happens that hair color is a far less useful indicator than skin color + facial features.

While you’re wrong about race being a social construct, I agree with the point you were making. I’m a white American, and I sure have known plenty of white Americans who totally believe in the neo-Marxist racial ideology that makes white people into the bad people. I think a motivation for a white person to believe in an anti-white ideology is to gain favor with people of other races, by being extra generous and submissive to them. It’s a strategy of minimizing risks and minimizing confrontation.

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Yep, the left has forced us to have this discussion.

@@billsimms2511 “the left forced me to legitimize nazi talking points”

@Heinrich Heinrich you people are perpetual victims

@Heinrich Heinrich the fact that u used that term shows that you’re not to be taken seriously 😭

He knows what he's doing is scary, and he's scared.

I don't like it. He reminded me, for the first time, of someone who thinks their passion ought to count for something in the balance of reasons. Maybe he IS scared, but why should he be riled up about what this very considerate man is saying. Don't be common, Coleman.

@Epic T I only saw this 10 minute clip but that's not what he was talking about. He was talking about Murray's research and whether it should be out there. The 20% thing was just to illustrate that there reasons in culture to suspect that there are people ready to misuse it

@@philipmoss4027 I don't think that Coleman's being at all 'common.' What he's saying is right: someone's bound to take part of Murray's thesis and yell 'racist' or something, completely distracting from the (serious) question Murray's asking, stirring up trouble instead. That Coleman has him on at all and speaks to his thought seriously shows that this is a serious matter, and human ulterior motives have played a part in all of it that we need to beware. In Shakespeare's _Julius Caesar,_ Marc Antony stirs up the crowd with emotion and they go off on a rampage. The Gracchus brothers in the late Roman Republic were treated just that way, the Senate stirring up the crowd with emotions, and Tiberius Gracchus was murdered by them. Crowds are dangerous, and Coleman knows this. Thus his caution and concern.

@@craigsmith1443 By common, I meant bringing emotionalism to the argument. The subtext, in the common behavior I'm referring to is something like, "I am HURT by what you're saying. So hurt that it would be pretty much indecent for you to continue to defend your position." We've all seen the professionally aggrieved use this tactic, and lots of young people try it out too. But it's bad intellectual hygiene, and I hope it's not something that Coleman would want to traffic in.

He didn't address the root cause. Only the reaction.

​@@NanakiRowancheap cotton is the most expensive thing Western Civilization has ever had to endure

@@TheOpenSociety777 Not according to history and economics.

@@NanakiRowan Now run the numbers on crime , violence and civic disunity

@@TheOpenSociety777 I did. It's not the group you think it is. I suspect you know this, which is why you're thumbs upping all your comments (insecurity in knowing that you're wrong).

People did look at it at the time welfare was expanded and they didn’t know what to do about it then and likely not now. When it was economically more advantageous to have the father gone from the home, blacks fathers did that in significant numbers. But the problem was more complex than that also.

Look to Africa for clarity around that. They have a different reproductive strategy that is matriarchal in character, if not polyamorous and kids are usually raised by the whole community. Small, monogamous nuclear families arose out of evolution in very cold environments. Monogamous marriage is not historically part of the African reproductive strategy, and it still has incredibly low adherence across the world, compared to Germanic, Scandic, and Celtic whites.

@@chasethehorizonx So the question remains of whether having a father in the home has broad economic and social ramifications.

@@chasethehorizonx Perhaps in Africa, but look how the Black family changed in the US following the institution of welfare and the incentivization of fatherless homes. Actually, not just Black families. White families on welfare also tended towards fatherlessness.

@@tedmom3029 it depends on how the society is structured, and what kind of goals you are putting on that society. In a western technological society? Absolutely? In a cold-weather society that lives off of the land? Yes. In a society that lives in food belt with 24-7 sunshine, that lacks technology or a vested survival interest in it? Probably not. Hence the evolutionary reproductive strategy of Africans and other equatorial people, which lacks distinct nuclear family structures.

Jated Diamond argues in his book Guns, Germs and Steel that Europeans and Asians got an enormous head start because of geography: some plants lend themselves to agriculture by producing energy-dense seeds which are easily harvested and which have a long shelf life after drying the Mediterranean climate was ideal for growing these plants Europe/Asia has a long east/west strip which allowed agriculture to propagate the Americas have regions with the same climate, but the dominant axis is north/south so those areas are separated and constrained; agriculture wasn't able to propagate the same way the Indigenous Australians could never have invented agriculture because the domesticatable plants simply weren't present, likewise with many other places agriculture meant that an individual could generate more food than they required, which enabled specialisation and a division of labour, which in turn enabled innovation certain types of animals lend themselves to domestication (especially important is a herding instinct); almost all these animals were present in Europe/Asia, and absent elsewhere domesticated livestock added to the food surplus, and added mobility living at close quarters with the domesticated livestock led to disease transmission, and after some time a "herd immunity" within the human population; the indigenous peoples who were later invaded had not acquired such immunity and were heavily impacted by diseases brought by colonists/conquerors On top of that, the alphabet was invented in the Mediterranean region whixh enabled transmission of knowledge, which enabled growth of knowledge, which imparted military abd commercial advantage With these advantages, the rest of the world didn't have a chance. At least, not for the first 10,000 years. But oil became incredibly important a bit over a century ago, and the existing empires were absolutely smashed by WWI. We're at the beginning of a new chapter. A Chinese diplomat was asked what he thought of the French Revolution and he replied, "It's too early to tell". That's probably pretty true.

Most likely because of the need to carefully couch ones words in order to not get burned at the stake.

1. It takes much more time and effort to correct a wrong than it does to commit it. 2. Even when one carefully explains one's position, too many refuse to accept it and would rather see a villain and enemy in their midst than a potential friend saying a hard truth. It's easier to use napalm than build a school.

@@craigsmith1443 here here! I'll add to that by saying it's easier to tear down a statue rather than erecting a complimentary plaque or accompanying statue demonstrating how we learned from our past to commemorate our progress & willingness to learn more...

Because people are so cynical and predetermine your guilt, so you have to perfectly lay out your argument if you're going against the grain, while those same people are charitable to others who share their identity and hold those beliefs to lesser scrutiny.

@@bradspitt3896 I agree. The difference in argument between the two in the video is that one is at least honest about the nature of the problem. The current explanation for the disparities, that is allowed to take root without any explanation from black conservatives as to why there is this disparity, relies on blaming whites unequivocally for racism. This is done by allowing the notion that racism, which whites supposedly are solely creating, is responsible for all forms of inequality. So to suggest that revelations of IQ and race being connected is more harmful than we currently have is intellectual dishonesty among black conservatives, as the result of the current narrative creates more damage than any foreseeable consequences of simply recognising racial disparities in IQ or athleticism. The same consequences of IQ averages would also be felt regarding whites to East Asians, as East Asians have a higher IQ than whites by average. So the fact that the whites that promote IQ and its association to race, in the same way that they would with athleticism in association to race, show who is being the most impartial regarding this conversation. Simply because something looks less favourable to our self image in that area, doesn't give us the right to deny the need for the pursuit of truth, irrespective of if the revelation doesn't meet our social standards or contemporary beliefs. If we held the view that feelings mattered more than truth, we would put faith above reason and not question the nature of our existence through the sciences. People shouldn't be persecuted or put to the stake as they were in the past because certain individuals cannot handle criticism of their personal belief through critical evaluation in the same way that understanding racial differences shouldnt result in racial persecution of races.

There is also the possibility that the parents do not actually object to the couple marrying but caution that society could be more harsh on the children as they may not be welcomed by either black or white communities? It is one thing to decide for yourself what you will persevere, it is quite another what you will suggest that your loved ones confront.

"I am not attracted to [group X]" is personal preference, may be a sexual thing, just like someone can like partners who are blond or red haired or whatever. But "I would rather people of my group not marry people of this other group" isn't personal any more, but some kind of social or political belief. And I would say by definition it IS racist - it is the belief that certain decisions should be dominated by judgements about someone's racial group. What you mean is it doesn't need to be motivated by belief in that group's inferiority, and that much is true - you could just think that for example both groups are fine on their own but aren't very compatible culturally. But in the end if you take that reasoning to its logical end you still get stuff like ethnostates. And it completely ditches that "judging people as individuals" thing that is brought up by Murray and I agree is very important. Differences can be overcome. But if someone's personality is so thoroughly defined by their ethnicity that they're incompatible with someone of a different background, they're not a very interesting person. It's like that bit about nationalism - that it's "being proud of shit you didn't do and hate people you never met". The same goes for ethnic pride (white or otherwise). Of course you will be influenced by the culture in which you grow up. But developing your individuality means there should be a lot more to you than just that basic cultural template.

Doesn’t have to be all or nothing, you can have a preference without it being a demand

@@kreek22 Hadn't thought of it from that angle, makes sense. Haven't heard anyone explain this tbh, I wonder why?.....

@@markfernandes2467 IMO because it's bullshit. It relies on two strong assertions neither of which is scientifically very solid: - that the major determinant of extraordinary people is their genetic disposition rather than environment, upbringing, etc., which IMO is already very shaky. Just look at how many geniuses sometimes you see in specific times and places in history, and then the same populations don't express as many geniuses only fifty years later or before (e.g. see all the great physicists in early XX century). It seems to me conditions are a lot more important, like when there's an especially prosperous and intellectually vivacious society, some people will develop their potential more - that mixing between the entire human race could ever be so fast, thorough and complete that it utterly outpaces mutation rate and flattens genetic diversity. IMO that wouldn't happen anyway because geographic separation remains important, and well, mutations still exist, but that is at least more probable. However Africa alone has the most genetic diversity of any other place on Earth (makes sense - everyone else is just the descendants of a small group of humans that drifted out of it early on in prehistory). So even if this reasoning was true, Africa would be the one to lose out from it - and white people would have all to gain.

The reality of human differences is that humans evolve. If America is descending into chaos, it's because it can't break the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

Every regional group has a percentage of people who have lower intelligence. With society becoming easier to navigate and succeed in unfavorable genes will continue to exist. Those unintelligible percentages will always generalize groups and keep racism alive. It’s like trying to prevent people from killing each other, it’s going to happen no matter what you try to tell them.

Charles Murray certainly doesn't judge people as individuals

But those groups of people don't have anything genetically in common. White people aren't all from the same town in Europe, and don't all have the same genes Einstein had. So why are we assuming all white people or all black people come from the same families, have the same genes, or come from the same gene pools? To do science you would conduct a genetic test prior to testing for IQ for each participant in the study. Race would not be a factor in a gene based IQ test. But no one wants to group by genes. Instead people are grouping by race, and that is pseudoscientific. Murry is doing pseudo science.

Indeed. The Scots of 800 years ago were rather ignorant brutes - and the Scots of 300 years ago established many of the foundations of modernity. One thing people have a hard time understanding about natural selection is that it can work remarkably quickly, sometimes producing huge changes in just a few generations.

Of course that can work in both directions: the question is whether there is an environment which rewards those who are highly capable and intelligent, or an environment such as we have had for about fifty years now which punishes those who are highly capable and intelligent. You get more of what you subsidize, and you get less of what you punish - and fifty years ago we decided to subsidize poverty and punish success.

I don’t think Charles Murray said it was permanent. He did say this is the way things exist now. I may be mistaken. I think some cultures don’t allow expansion by not allowing different ideas permeate their culture. I often was accused of acting white while in middle school because I carried a backpack and studied. Skiing was something only white people did, etc.

Read about Flynn and reverse Flynn phenomenon. If there is no selection pressure for high IQ individuals to procreate and low IQ individuals to vanish. This does not happen the past 50 years. In fact welfare state, healthcare, scientific progress etc allows individuals of lower IQ to make more offspring than those with high IQ. Idiocracy is as threatening of a problem as overpopulation and climate change.

@@Lalakis - I find it ironic that the Flynn Effect was evident precisely for the decades when eugenics programs were common throughout the western world, and appear to have started a reversal about the time those programs were ended about fifty years ago. Of course this is never publicly acknowledged by anyone who's anyone.

Good point.

Why do we assume everyone would want to be a doctor? There are better professions. It's more accurate to look at how much money people make than to single out those specific professions.

@Lieber Tiger the book is a fantastic way to really grasp the overall way society has developed over the last 2500 years, the specifics in terms of people and locations and why those people and locations. While it doesn't directly give you the "what" in terms of what you should do, it gives you enough to come to the decision yourself. On top of that, it's just a beautiful analysis of history. I loved it so much I tracked down an purchased a physical copy. In a better world the book should be given in early-mid schooling to everyone.

Sure as long as you don't try to interfere with what I got going.

@@stephencarter7266 As long as your thing is the marginal thing otherwise you lose your identity in total diversity; homogeneity.

@@bradspitt3896 If by "marginal thing" you mean nordic women with cute feet and breath like carnation milk, then I'm all for it. Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about

@@stephencarter7266 I just meant that the majority of relationships are same race/culture/ethnicity and the tails of the curve are interracial.

@@bradspitt3896 A loss of identity can _only_ by found in the _center mass_ of the Bell Curve. I'm not sure what you're driving at.

Jated Diamond argues in his book Guns, Germs and Steel that Europeans and Asians got an enormous head start because of geography: some plants lend themselves to agriculture by producing energy-dense seeds which are easily harvested and which have a long shelf life after drying the Mediterranean climate was ideal for growing these plants Europe/Asia has a long east/west strip which allowed agriculture to propagate the Americas have regions with the same climate, but the dominant axis is north/south so those areas are separated and constrained; agriculture wasn't able to propagate the same way the Indigenous Australians could never have invented agriculture because the domesticatable plants simply weren't present, likewise with many other places agriculture meant that an individual could generate more food than they required, which enabled specialisation and a division of labour, which in turn enabled innovation certain types of animals lend themselves to domestication (especially important is a herding instinct); almost all these animals were present in Europe/Asia, and absent elsewhere domesticated livestock added to the food surplus, and added mobility living at close quarters with the domesticated livestock led to disease transmission, and after some time a "herd immunity" within the human population; the indigenous peoples who were later invaded had not acquired such immunity and were heavily impacted by diseases brought by colonists/conquerors On top of that, the alphabet was invented in the Mediterranean region whixh enabled transmission of knowledge, which enabled growth of knowledge, which imparted military abd commercial advantage With these advantages, the rest of the world didn't have a chance. At least, not for the first 10,000 years. But oil became incredibly important a bit over a century ago, and the existing empires were absolutely smashed by WWI. We're at the beginning of a new chapter. A Chinese diplomat was asked what he thought of the French Revolution and he replied, "It's too early to tell". That's probably pretty true.

Its cultural more than racial. Its obvious that certain cultures, are much more compatible than others. Some cultures are very accommodating and differential, others are highly resistant to not only being inclusive but, the need to stand apart and be obstinance, continuing behavior that leads to no good. Put on the objective goggles, and go to an inner city high school that has a diverse student body, see who's doing what and getting along with whom...very telling.

@@corsair6 You guys like to come up with more excuses and exceptions to distract from the racism of too many in this country. Black people raised in majority white nieighborhoods, white majority white DNA are s till rejected by a number of whites in this country. Did you forget that 1)there are nearly 200 organized white supremacist groups operating in this country today? 2)The insurrectionist on Jan 6 were carrying confederate flags and wearing racist tee shirts and shouting racial epithets at police? 4)The FBI reported that our greatest domestic terror threat is from white supremacist groups?

@@thadlincolnii7398 cope. Carry on being indoctrinated by CNN. Clearly you're not rational minded enough to even be watching this video if you think it was an insurrection.

Thad. The greatest danger from the right is talked about here in Europe too - however wha we have experienced is complex the reverse. Seems here and in the USA there is an intention to heighten right wing issues in order to downplay or equalise the situation

Yongo race and culture can and do overlap but are not the same.

You are just setting yourself up for added difficulty to marry outside race. Life can be difficult enough. Also, your progeny will have issues. I’d rather go around boulders in my path then try to remove them. Put your boat in the water downstream.

He's an old, sly, provocative grifter.

@@stephencarter7266 how so?

@@hiroe6350 Because he won't (seriously)touch the influence big media (tv, films and advertising) has in creating and maintaining identity. There are way too many holes in his theories for a smart guy like Murray to take them seriously. He's packaging and peddling a bundle of talking points designed to drown out debate (not encourage it). Only in a dumbed down america could he even get away with his hamfisted scholarship.

@@stephencarter7266 Could you elaborate, seems like those things would just help his argument. It's not arbitrary or in a vacuum that the Smithsonian created a document illustrating a white/black dichotomous morality.

@@bradspitt3896 What do you want me to elaborate? What's not arbitrary or in a vacuum, and in what context are you referring to.

ahahah

And how will you solve it if every household starts to consider white people are simply intellectually superior? Explain in detail please how that would be a good thing and how you would solve things with it

@@vertigo2894 The difference is that one is at least honest about the nature of the problem. The current explanation for the disparities, that is allowed to take root without any explanation from black conservatives as to why there is this disparity, relies on blaming whites unequivocally for racism. This is done by allowing the notion that racism, which whites supposedly are solely creating, is responsible for all forms of inequality. So to suggest that revelations of IQ and race being connected is more harmful than we currently have is intellectual dishonesty among black conservatives, as the result of the current narrative creates more damage than any foreseeable consequences of simply recognising racial disparities in IQ or athleticism. The same consequences of IQ averages would also be felt regarding whites to East Asians, as East Asians have a higher IQ than whites by average. So the fact that the whites that promote IQ and its association to race, in the same way that they would with athleticism in association to race, show who is being the most impartial regarding this conversation. Simply because something looks less favourable to our self image in that area, doesn't give us the right to deny the need for the pursuit of truth, irrespective of if the revelation doesn't meet our social standards or contemporary beliefs. If we held the view that feelings mattered more than truth, we would put faith above reason and not question the nature of our existence through the sciences. People shouldn't be persecuted or put to the stake as they were in the past because certain individuals cannot handle criticism of their personal belief through critical evaluation in the same way that understanding racial differences shouldnt result in racial persecution of races.

​@@azothothdestroyerofworlds1910" The difference is that one is at least honest about the nature of the problem. The current explanation for the disparities, that is allowed to take root without any explanation from black conservatives as to why there is this disparity, relies on blaming whites unequivocally for racism" You are either ignorant or being dishonest. Black conservatives have taken issue with blaming disparities on racism from whites. If a black conservative who isn't supportive of making issue of this not good enough for you then what black conservative is? " to suggest that revelations of IQ and race being connected is more harmful than we currently have is intellectual dishonesty among black conservatives, as the result of the current narrative creates more damage than any foreseeable consequences of simply recognising racial disparities in IQ or athleticism" I wasn't aware clearly defining races and then subsequently attributing intelligence largely to these proven categories was scientifically settled. Last time I checked, IQ scores were rising for everyone but I digress. Yes it is harmful, it absolutely is. Of course human beings would use this idea to hold themselves superior to others as a birth right. This has caused us so much grief in the past and there is no reason to assume it won't in the future. Like he said, "we don't live in a rational world". It already is being used to dehumanise and would only spread and intensify if we simply all concluded that intelligence is not raisable due to racial constraints. I mean are you kidding me? Lol Asians don't tend to be the ones waging racist world wars. That aside, there isn't a significant number of whites in Asian countries, where as there is a significant amount of darker skin races in white majority countries. "understanding racial differences shouldnt result in racial persecution of races" People shouldn't do a lot of things they do. And I love how feelings are dismissed whenever someone like you needs them to disappear. Even in context of facts concerning emotional reactions, you still want to dismiss it. Wether you like it or not, people will react based on feelings. Conservative or Stalin Communist. No political camp or group is free of emotional human beings. Just watch the reactions of conservatives when a non white foreigner injurers a white citizen. Doesnt matter what the statistics are about local injuries at the hands of fellow countrymen. If feelings are irrelevant in a conscious entity like ourselves, then we can justify pretty much anything. Without your feelings, you would have a hard time justifying many things. The idea that feelings and emotions are a detriment is absurd. It depends on what feelings and in what context. Feelings evolved in humans for the purpose of alerting us to everyday threats to our survival. We constantly scan our environment for dangers and opportunities, to satisfy our most basic needs. We get a constant body-mind report about the state of the world through our feelings. They give us a quick assessment about whether something is good for us or bad for us and they motivate us to take action accordingly' If you want simple reproduction, for the sake of reproduction then join a termite colony.

It does seem like he favors black peoples feeling over truth

Yes.

@@TransparencyandMerit Are these groups anything other than arbitrary? I could for example say tall people are a group, and measure IQs, and short people maybe have lower IQ on the statistics, and this matters why?

I haven’t read his review yet but just saw his discussion with Glenn Loury about it and yes, his opinion reminded me of The AmRen take on his book.

Grabbed my attention!

"People who are pushing race and IQ narrative" do know that US blacks are roughly 20-25% white by admixture, and tis is factored in when relevant, like when talking about African IQs, for example. We also know that African immigrants often do well in the US. This is because they are an elite slice of the countries they come from. They are not representative of the country they come from as a whole.

@@Bridge2110 If having white ancestry had a positive affect on the intelligence of African Americans, then Africans wouldn't be outperforming African Americans (and whites for that matter).

Here’s an idea…. call a spade a spade.

Who is "we"?

What is the name of the study

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