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8 ай бұрын

This time it's all about Rush - Power Windows (1985)
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@petertaylorson5783
@petertaylorson5783 8 ай бұрын
The songwriting matured greatly during the 80's and this album is the band at the top of their game imo. Great album.
@logancollins7097
@logancollins7097 8 ай бұрын
This is in my top 5. Love this album to death. Just like someone commented up above the guy's were just using the newest technology available to them. And i love the loose theme of all these songs based around power. Great record 9/10 for me
@commonman317
@commonman317 8 ай бұрын
Slick or not, Power Windows still sounds so great cranked up on a good stereo. I love the low end, beefy, full sound on this album. It remains my go to, and most played Rush album to this day.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Can't beat that!
@erikleenhouts834
@erikleenhouts834 8 ай бұрын
One of my favourites, I never get tired of it
@johnhoran9840
@johnhoran9840 7 ай бұрын
My favorite Rush album. I can't understand why any true Rush fan would have a problem loving something about EVERY album.
@georgemathie8123
@georgemathie8123 8 ай бұрын
This was my first ever rush albums I ever owned I got it on my 10th birthday in 1988 the big money, mystic rhythms and marathon that got me into Rush as a kid and this album got on me the road to being a lifelong Rush fan
@livingdeadwax
@livingdeadwax 8 ай бұрын
Loved this and happy to see Power Windows get so much love.
@user-re5zc2ss5h
@user-re5zc2ss5h 8 ай бұрын
Great stuff, love Power Windows! I’ve been a fan for 40 years so I’ve witnessed most of these backlashes. When I saw the HYF tour there were people around me yelling for more old stuff the whole time. Then by the 2000s I was seeing and hearing complaints at the shows that all the 80s orchestration and keyboards were missing. The fans always lag behind. For old Rush fans the Hemispheres tour is referenced as the holy grail of set lists, but I have a terrible quality audience bootleg where in the middle of the quieter section of Hemispheres the guy next to the taper keeps yelling “Play the old stuff!!!!!” I laugh when I hear it and think “Dude, that IS the old stuff!” 😂 It’s always like this. Ultimately most fans just want more of what they grew up with. I’ve appreciated it all.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@Paul_Simon
@Paul_Simon 8 ай бұрын
Probably my favorite comment of the whole thread, right here. That's it, exactly, and I appreciate your objectivity as a fan from the WHOLE catalog (I started, as said, with ASoH/Presto, and it took me years to figure this out).
@user-re5zc2ss5h
@user-re5zc2ss5h 8 ай бұрын
@@Paul_Simon Thank you! Enjoyed the show and your input.
@medmac2112
@medmac2112 8 ай бұрын
Power Windows is my second favourite Rush album after Hold Your Fire. Yes I’m a huge fan of the mid-80s era! Those records are so full of heart, creativity and fun. Every single song on those albums that they played live absolutely rocked. Love how they evolved their use of synths by this time to be a more grand in the mix rather than a separate standalone instrument, which to me is the difference between the latter two synth era albums and the former two.
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 8 ай бұрын
Power Windows and Hold Your Fire are night and day in terms of quality and there's a very fine line with the production/sound staging between the two, where Power Windows is very bright sounding, but also large and powerful (pun probably intended). Hold Your Fire has some spotty song writing at points and the production leans almost totally into proto EDM or pop/dance- it doesn't sound like Rush in lot's of ways, it's thin and synthetic. Odd that they managed to do arguably their best effort with Power Windows and their first duff since Caress within such a short distance. I think they probably were starting to wear out by HYF from their prime, but it's also on par in terms of good/less good/bad with the subsequent stuff up to T4E. Point is Power Windows is wayyy better the HYF. Anyway, whatever.
@medmac2112
@medmac2112 8 ай бұрын
@@colinburroughs9871 Remember that music is subjective! One man’s trash is another man’s treasure when it comes to Rush albums. The only thing I can objectively agree with you on is the production quality on the two albums, but everything else varies from person to person. Give HYF another chance if you can! The lyrics, basslines, and guitar solos are some of the absolute best in their discography in my humble opinion.
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 8 ай бұрын
@@medmac2112 I'm not a casual or even sane about Rush at this point I'd guess. LOL. There's some things to like about HYF, but my gut reaction to it when I first got around to it, I'm a little young to have done this in real time, but not long after was it wasn't as good as they'd been right up to that record. It was Rush's first record that had skippable tunes since Caress and that kind of might not really count, they were kids and smoking pot and into the best phase of Prog and that was their shot after making 2 much better records than 20 years old had business doing.. it should be and is forgiven for some of it's excess and it is cool in spots. Hold Your Fire has a few top shelf tunes like Open Secrets and Lock and Key. It's got some tunes that are probably fine and sentimentally consequential so even if I think Neil might have been a bit twee or the band didn't sound like themselves all that much, Time Stand Still or Misson are good- I see why people enjoy them, I'm largely indifferent. Force 10 is an interesting one in some ways. But it's got all of the sins of the production/sound stage being too sympathetic to the synths/techno babble flying around like a dance track that makes this record .. what it is. I suppose that's what someone might enjoy about this one. I find this worked better on Signals/GuP/PW as the color of those is a bit less BRIGHT! Then there's Tai Shan which is a red flag about Neil's ever evolving worldview that we'd see over the subsequent records- this was not the guy who wrote The Trees.. Power Windows strikes me as an all timer effort. HYF just doesn't, but that's just my take- who cares. Thanks for playing along
@johnhoran9840
@johnhoran9840 7 ай бұрын
I love both albums, but I agree about production. I've always wanted to hear Hold Your Fire mixed to sound like Power Windows.@@colinburroughs9871
@SaintMartins
@SaintMartins 8 ай бұрын
My favorite era of Rush are..... #1) 1980 to 1991: Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures, Signals, Grace Under Pressure, Power Windows, Hold Your Fire, Presto, Roll The Bones #2) 1993 to 2012: Counterparts, Test For Echo, Vapor Trails, Snakes & Arrows, Clockwork Angels #3) 1974 to 1978: Rush, Fly By Night, Caress Of Steel, 2112, A Farewell To Kings, Hemispheres
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 8 ай бұрын
The phase where they weren't older wealthy guys, but pot smoking kids who liked prog rock is way cooler than some of you guys seem to want to think.
@jeffmccaskill9227
@jeffmccaskill9227 8 ай бұрын
80s rush is my favorite
@BenTevikMusic
@BenTevikMusic 8 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more with Ryan that 2112 through Power Windows is one of the greatest album runs of all time
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
I agree!
@stephanevillatte5970
@stephanevillatte5970 8 ай бұрын
euh...dark horse? Because of...what? synths...when you got a creative mind it's a natural temptation to see where you can go with the technology of your time...and learn new ways to craft...Geddy,Alex and Neil were clever guys they did it well without losing their adn...the material here is strong start to finish...and the cover is great...and the lyrics,as always...in other words,Rush has always been great..."power windows" still sounds like the future...just like "2112"...just in a different way...Rush is timeless genius...they had the intellect...the heart...the vision.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
When it was release in '85, it turned off a lot of Rush fans. I suppose it all depends on when you started listening to Rush.
@pezant10
@pezant10 8 ай бұрын
I think Rush gained a lot of new fans after power windows. It was just a happy-go-lucky album After the Dark Grace under pressure. Like you guys are saying, just so many Hooks and just great melodies. Probably Geddys finest work composing melodic friendly Tunes
@daanthing6002
@daanthing6002 8 ай бұрын
This is the only Rush album that has really risen in my rankings. Most of my first impression of their albums are pretty much like how ik think about them nowadays. But at first i never really got into Power Windows without really disliking it. But somehow when i started shuffling my '80 Rush playlist in Spotify these song really stood out. And it became one of my favorite Rush albums. That Lifeson solo on Marathon! Favorite solo. The last 'perfect' Rush album. After this one came the uneven Hold your fire and then the cd age began and the albums became too long. Stiil stellar stuff among them with Vapor Trails and Clockwork Angela as my favorites.
@erickent4248
@erickent4248 8 ай бұрын
(all Rush albums are great) I like Paul's notice that Power Windows was all about the relationships that people have with power, whether that be by wealth or political influence. Hold Your Fire was about human conflict and trying to find peaceful resolutions. Presto was about magic and technology and Roll the Bones was all about free will vs. fate (basically the rock opera version of the song Freewill). All of them had something interesting to say about the world, and absolutely essential.
@Paul_Simon
@Paul_Simon 8 ай бұрын
Check out some of our roundtables over at Rushfans- the albums you mentioned have even more to say, you’ll love those 🤙🏼 And glad you dug it!!
@plasticposse768
@plasticposse768 8 ай бұрын
Rush did what they wanted, it is one of the things that made them great. People didn't like the albums of this era because they didn't sound like Moving Pictures or 2112. But Rush was never going to make the same record twice.
@mobeus84
@mobeus84 7 ай бұрын
I mean except farewell, 2112, hemispheres were the same and moving pictures and permanent waves were the same.
@DAGDRUM53
@DAGDRUM53 6 ай бұрын
@@mobeus84 I agree exactly.
@markusaurelius777
@markusaurelius777 2 ай бұрын
@@mobeus84 Wrong.
@mobeus84
@mobeus84 2 ай бұрын
@@markusaurelius777 lol okay. Wrong in your opinion. I love those records btw, but they had phases. Swords and sorcery phase then the synth wave phase then pop/rock phase.
@mobeus84
@mobeus84 2 ай бұрын
@@markusaurelius777 1st album was more classic rock, then Neil arrived and it was very progressive and concept driven, then itbwent more synthy and electronic, then back to a more classic pop rock style in the 90s
@bookhouseboy280
@bookhouseboy280 8 ай бұрын
Alex: This record takes the best parts of [Signals and Grace Under Pressure] and kinda capitalises on them... It's quite dynamic, too ... To me, this record is a lot like 'Moving Pictures', because I also think that album strikes a fine balance between keyboards and guitar ... We had a good head-start on our writing, we worked with somebody we wanted to work with from the beginning (producer Peter Collins) ... This album was really an eye-opener for us, because we pushed back the boundaries that have been there in the past, we tried different things, we put things on the record which we wouldn't have before, and generally we opened doors that were shut to us before. Geddy: Power Windows is a really important record, because it was the final and essential blending of keyboards and guitar to me ... We brought in this synthesizer guy, Andy Richards, who really brought it up a notch in terms of quality and technology ... I really like the sound of that album. I thought it was a really strong production. There are some great songs on that record ... Overall, I thought Power Windows was a great accomplishment for us. Neil: From a band point of view, we certainly worked on our musicianship first, then - armed with that increased facility and confidence in our individual instruments - expanded into paying more attention to songwriting, arranging, and production ... To us, [Power Windows is] totally satisfying and progressive. Perhaps from the view of an outsider who judges only on the superficiality of technique, it might seem simpler. Believe me, it's not. Power Windows is Rush's most accomplished album to date. The band were able to go beyond their past triumphs and achieve a staggering advance in every aspect of their performance: playing, writing and in the sound clarity of the recording. - Rush Visions: The Official Biography
@markandersen5187
@markandersen5187 8 ай бұрын
Oh..and...Red Barchetta is my favorite Rush song...a peak!🤘
@johnpatterson4272
@johnpatterson4272 8 ай бұрын
Power Windows was all-over the radio in central Ontario in '85. CFNY radio station was a big promoter of the band in their 70s and 80s era, 'Spirit of Radio' was written about that station. 'Big Money' and 'Mystic Rhythm' were truly overplayed on local FM. The heavy synth stuff confused the hardcore fans in Toronto, the place the band is from. There was a newspaper article back in 2010 which featured photos of the guy featured on the Power Windows cover, also from Toronto.
@sadboi7537
@sadboi7537 8 ай бұрын
Two words………….MYSTIC RHYTHMS.
@TheChadTI
@TheChadTI 8 ай бұрын
A surprising thing about this album I learned reading Geddy's book, all the keyboards are played by a studio guy. I always assumed Geddy came up with the sonds/parts.
@rjculliford
@rjculliford 8 ай бұрын
There can never be too many Rush discussions. :) Discovered the band in around 2003. To me golden era Rush is everything from Fly By Night up to and including Presto. Favorite album is Power Windows, and I hold Hemispheres as their early era peak, Moving Pictures as their songwriting peak, Presto as their artistic peak, Vapor Trails as maybe the most underrated album. Rock on.
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 7 ай бұрын
Presto was the peak of Rush being very .. mature. Odd record. Good in spots. Unremarkable and a bit preachy in others. Thin production is why most people don't like it or Superconductor (which is squarely ok- not the sin some think, but it's not great either, much like that record!). I have the run as FBN through Power Windows, myself- not totally different from your take.
@Leo-ci9kc
@Leo-ci9kc 7 ай бұрын
Great episode and great album! Rush continued the tradition of great opening tracks after this album Animate, Test for Echo, One Little Victory, and Far Cry, for example
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
Since the late 70s my dear departed mom went to Canada all the time and in the late 80s she brought back a power windows US and Canada tour shirt for me and God I wish I still had it today... It was brilliant
@dangaucher2245
@dangaucher2245 8 ай бұрын
This is Rush's In Through The Out Door.Plenty of Love for it,but plenty of Pissed off Fans too.
@JohntheMusicNut
@JohntheMusicNut 8 ай бұрын
Great show guys! This is the last Rush record that I love and still go back to often. On Grace Under Pressure (my favorite Rush album) and Power Windows, the keyboards and modern sounds and production complemented the band. All of the songs are very strong and "The Big Money", "Marathon", and "Territories" are among my favorite Rush tracks. 9 out of 10 for me.
@IsothermeMusic
@IsothermeMusic 7 ай бұрын
“Commercial”? “Sell-out”? Nonsense. Rush changed with the times in the 80s. They didn’t need to shoot for hit singles to remain relevant. Their sound changed as their ambitions and influences changed. In the 80s, we loved Signals, GUP, PW AND loved 2112, Hemispheres and AFTK and we still considered ourselves hardcore fans. That said, I can understand those who yearn for the 70s Rush. Having been a teenager in the mid 80s, I yearned for the October, War, Under a Blood Red Sky and Unforgettable Fire era U2 when Achtung Baby (or even Joshua Tree) was released. They’d left behind many of the things that I first fell in love with about the band. I suspect the 70s Rush fans feel similar about the abandonment of many of the things they loved about the band.
@markusaurelius777
@markusaurelius777 2 ай бұрын
Very well said !!! All true.
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
I love Rush (I am inked so) and I absolutely love power windows and GUP .... Always have loved them , always will ❤️
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
The best!
@cmurl3038
@cmurl3038 8 ай бұрын
Definitely an album that grew on me over time. Highlights for me are Grand Designs, Marathon, and Middletown Dreams. If I'm ranking the studio albums, I'd put it 8th out of 19.
@drumkit666
@drumkit666 8 ай бұрын
Good thing about rush is your going to get so many different opinions and interesting takes, this album took a while to grow on me, i don;t think it's as good as Grace Under Pressure personally, i'll take a shot it here for a ranking. 8/10 works for me. Big Money 9.5/10 Grand Designs 8/10 Manhattan Project 9.5/10 Marathon 10/10 Geddy's bass playing on this is insane. Territtories 7.5/10 Middletown Dreams 8/10 Emotion Ditector 8.5/10 Mystic Rythms 10/10 Top 5 Rush song for me and Alex on the 12 string.
@deanwolfechannel
@deanwolfechannel 8 ай бұрын
I LOVE this album. Geddy has some of the most amazing bass lines and unique sounds on this. However, I can't put this album on any old time and listen to it. I yearn for it in 'cycles'.
@larsschneider2378
@larsschneider2378 8 ай бұрын
Incredible... I agree 100% with Todd. Some of his points was stuff I have been thinking and telling people for decades. Nice mention of "Cold Fire" as a sleeper track, one of my favorite Rush Songs. Another one would be "Red Tide", love it, but I have never heard someone talk about it. Oh, and "Middletown Dreams" is probably my favorite from this album as well.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Well said!
@markandersen5187
@markandersen5187 8 ай бұрын
Senior year of HS...remember it vividly bringing this record home and playing it on day of release...Grand Designs immediately was my favorite on the album...I had been a fan for 2yrs and had likely grabbed every album before it by then and was in the midst of engrossing myself with this band...a magical time! After 40yrs as a fan this album is my #5 with Middletown Dreams being my favorite on the record and my # 9 of all Rush songs🤘
@Chickendudesplace
@Chickendudesplace 8 ай бұрын
I have loved this album from the first time I've heard it.
@dougodell505
@dougodell505 8 ай бұрын
This was a fantastic discussion. Have you already talked about HOLD YOUR FIRE? I feel like that album does not get enough love.
@MrDevtun
@MrDevtun 8 ай бұрын
HYF was reviewed about a year ago.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
We may take another look at it with this group... we will see
@Utubemop
@Utubemop 8 ай бұрын
I love the album...from day 1 until today. Manhattan Project is one of the best Rush tracks IMO, definitely in my top 3.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Couldn't agree more!
@Jamesharris-lo9nn
@Jamesharris-lo9nn 8 ай бұрын
I love Power Windows. I think every song is a real gem. It has some of Geddy's best vocals. Alex Lifeson really stretches out and builds these beautiful guitar tapestries. I also love Neal's lyrics on the record. I embraced the synth heavy Rush albums and was always impressed with their experimentation and growth.
@davescryptodays1441
@davescryptodays1441 8 ай бұрын
I think the reverence that has built up over the years for 'Grace Under Pressure' is misplaced and should be attributed to 'Power Windows'. I too was initially a bit turned off by 'Grace Under Pressure' when it came out. It seemed to me at the time there were a couple memorable melody's and lyrics; but there were no taught rockers, it felt more like soundscapes that ALMOST ran into each other and less like separate songs (with a couple exceptions). However with 'Power Windows' we get the taught rocker with the title track and yes, the rest of the album is fairly mellow with soundscapes too, BUT they are memorable, melodic soundscapes and lyrics even more poignant and emotional than the prior album. Power Windows is a stunning album with a great album cover as well.
@dan1216
@dan1216 8 ай бұрын
It annoyed me reading people complaining about them doing mostly 80s stuff on the CA tour. I was like ‘they gave us Moving Pictures live last time, let them do what they want this time.’
@commonman317
@commonman317 8 ай бұрын
While at the Rush Grace Under Pressure concert in Lakeland in early 1985, they premiered the unreleased "The Big Money", and it was well received from what I remember.
@jonrhythm3686
@jonrhythm3686 8 ай бұрын
Unlike most of my peers at the time I loved this album when it was released. Tbh, musically speaking, I always felt like I had an intellectual edge over Rush fans (like the ones Grant talked about) that didn't like this album and Grace Under Pressure.
@brandonbelt5055
@brandonbelt5055 8 ай бұрын
Top five RUSH album for me and probably top three if I really think on it. I definitely agree with it being the end of an unprecedented string of 4.5 star records, although I have that string starting at 'A Farewell to Kings' and not '2112'. Geddy Lee in his new book has this as one of the highest points in the band's career and I totally agree. A tremendous work of art, that represents incredible ambition and growth more than any of their other records. 9.5/10 album
@garyjoyce2160
@garyjoyce2160 8 ай бұрын
Only because RUSH has so many classics/. I like this album. , I’ll give an 8️⃣ out of 1️⃣0️⃣ Thx for a great 👍 show 👍💯
@stephanechamberland8486
@stephanechamberland8486 8 ай бұрын
Great episode guys from a great album !
@Starman2112ofKings
@Starman2112ofKings 8 ай бұрын
Big Money, Manhattan Project, Marathon, Territories, and even Mystic Rhythms all got quite a bit of airplay in Saint Louis for 6 months to a year
@dangaucher2245
@dangaucher2245 8 ай бұрын
I was 17 when this came out so just the next Rush album to get into after hearing most of the earlier stuff already
@revoxed93
@revoxed93 8 ай бұрын
this was fun to watch, in some ways I have a bit of all 4 of you in my own rush musical journey, and can align with each persons views and opinions since I am constantly evolving, and have dynamic/changing taste depending on the mood I am in. it was fun to see the passion and excitement when one person had a differing opinion, it would have been less entertaining if you all agreed on every point made. please make more! thanks for sharing!! my own views on power windows... I bought it on record the day it came out after counting down the days upon seeing the video for big money, and it was one that grew on me with each listen. I give it a 8.5, are we allowed to do a decimal? lol. if their body of work didn't have all the ones leading up to this classic record, and PW was their first release, I'd probably give it a 9.5
@taranguapo
@taranguapo 8 ай бұрын
In my top 5 Rush? Maybe not but I still absolutely love it! Played it again this morning. It doesn't sound dated to me.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
again... there is no bad Rush
@taranguapo
@taranguapo 8 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 yessir. I can listen to any of their albums and be happy. This was a fun discussion! Hope to see Presto or Test for Echo down the line. Just talk about every Rush album and I'll be happy 😆
@sluggernaut13
@sluggernaut13 7 ай бұрын
I'm fairly new to rush, only hearing about them during covid (sheltered English music life 🙈 ) I've heard every album now and started buying them all on vinyl and cd, power windows was my 1st purchase as its my favourite album of theirs. Randomly found this video just now and I love what you guys all say. It must be amazing to have friends you can have chats like this with. Anyway I'm subscribed now and look forward to watching more 😊
@Paul_Simon
@Paul_Simon 7 ай бұрын
Glad you found it, and I hope you’re enjoying the content! 🤙🏼
@pazz6708
@pazz6708 7 ай бұрын
Eventually, you have to evolve with the times you can't continue on the same path just to please the fans. You have to do it for yourself first. Otherwise what's the point in writing music. Using the latest equipment was part of their evolution, and to me, it was well worth it. Might not have been as popular but we got to hear a different sound from them, which is a positive in my book.
@erikleenhouts834
@erikleenhouts834 8 ай бұрын
I had a period that I only listened to 70's Rush, and there was one I only listened to 80's and 90's Rush. If I want to hear Rush now, I probably pick an 80's album.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
nice!
@FundamentalsUK
@FundamentalsUK 8 ай бұрын
A perfect album along with Moving Pictures IMO
@kdiamond
@kdiamond 8 ай бұрын
Great album. Top three for me. The songs are so rich and some of Neil’s best lyrics. Big Money is definitely my least favorite song on the record too.
@colinburroughs9871
@colinburroughs9871 8 ай бұрын
Objectively, their best mature effort and it uses the zeitgeist of the 80's to their best effect in Rush's style, or rather Geddy being interested in being current in 1985 didn't get in the way of the songs as it would on HYF.
@markblue5375
@markblue5375 8 ай бұрын
Power Windows is a great record ! I was there and don't remember Rush fans hating this record. Interesting though was the video The BIG Money. Was that video the first to use colored computer graphics in that format of power in a rock video ? It has a colorful mezzmerizing 3 dimensional effect. How can anyone question such a great album . 🏆🏆🏆
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
my Rush buddies didn't care for it... this is where we checked out. Did I say hate?
@markblue5375
@markblue5375 8 ай бұрын
@thecontrarians2438 it's all good Everybody has an opinion. Always a good show you have 👍🎅
@colstonvear1958
@colstonvear1958 8 ай бұрын
Great discussion of a decent Rush album
@ministerofdarkness
@ministerofdarkness 8 ай бұрын
This is a good album, but it's a bit of a let down after Grace Under Pressure. The Peter Collins production is mega 80s but obviously Rush was headed in that direction. Looking forward to the next Dark horse on" Presto ". A truly better album than " Power Windows ". Nevertheless PLAY LOUD Blue Army!
@Starman2112ofKings
@Starman2112ofKings 8 ай бұрын
Presto has better songs to me than Power Windows but the production is even slicker and weaker. Roll The Bones right there too. Counterparts finally brought the raw up front guitar sound back
@DAGDRUM53
@DAGDRUM53 6 ай бұрын
I was born the same summer Alex and Ged were, heard In The Mood in 1975, finally saw the band live the first week of 1977, awed these successful kids my same age (22) kicked so much ass. What must be factored into Rush's change and not overlooked, underestimated or dismissed (now) was the birth of MTV in 1981. Historically everything changed in a matter of months, MTV corrupted music by taking audio to audio/visual, an exciting new medium to be sure but one even more superficial than the music industry already was. Rush weren't the only artists effected, but if they wanted to compete for the John Dos Passos big money in the 80s it was not unwise to dress in New Wave pastels and repurpose their original business model. Geddy must dilute his trademark vocals and, maybe, trigger a keyboard sample or two so they'd segue more inconspicuously into rotation between Duran Duran and Men Without Hats. I didn't begrudge Rush's compromise after doing it their way since 1974, they'd made it on their own terms BUT STILL the monotone Geddy chose to replace his impassioned vocals got on my nerves as much as Alex being sonically MIA. That's when I stopped buying Rush albums, still went to another concert or two---tame affairs compared to their ferocious 70s live work. I agree fully at 18:25 Signals also made me feel Rush wanted to be The Police. If New World Man played in a public place like a restaurant or club I had to tune out lyrics like 'trying to pave the way for the third world man' or be in danger of projectile hurling. A drummer I'd taught some Peart and Bonham licks to had never seen Rush was desperate to go to a 2010 Time Machine tour show. We got tickets, he loved it but I longed for my first Rush concert: a 2000 seat hall with 1500 of them empty, sitting 20 feet from Alex & Geddy, Neil was playing Chromey but no tubular bells behind him yet. Bastille Day started but by the end of the first verse I saw all three musicians exchanging looks of alarm. They stopped the song on the beat and Alex held his arms up like cops had him surrounded. From his left a roadie sprinted from behind the drum riser with a guitar, from Alex's right a second empty-handed tech snatched the out-of-tune guitar off Alex then the first guy settled the other guitar around Alex's shoulders by its strap, like helping someone put on a coat. That changeover took four seconds tops, then the guitarists nodded at each other without looking back at the drummer and the band started the song exactly where they'd stopped it. Afterwards Geddy said, "We're sorry about that, this next song from our second album," and they began Anthem. In October Rush sold out the same venue and tickets weren't as easy to get as in January. I'd seen Led Zeppelin in between those shows and thought Rush was as good live as they were. That's really saying something.
@mdlatham
@mdlatham 8 ай бұрын
Grant, you should have a vendor partnered with ready to sell the albums you discuss cause I usually go buy stuff after the discussions! lol😂
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
That's a good idea! Thanks for the comment!
@dangaucher2245
@dangaucher2245 8 ай бұрын
Power Windows is a Neil album.His Drums sound like a Continent next to Geddy and Alex playing in a Country!
@commonman317
@commonman317 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Neil's drums sounded perfect on this album. Booming bass drums, and cracking snare sounds. His kit fit in perfectly with those low end bass foot pedal synth parts.
@ykmgeedee
@ykmgeedee 8 ай бұрын
Yo RFsters! Thanks Grant! Slightly disappointed when dropped (I get "too slick") but with caveat following Amazing albums. It's my #8. Collins good as Brown to me. As a "those guys" I *shouldn't* think Mystic Rhythms best PoWi song (Neil what up?) but is one of those Wonderful Rush experimental successes. 8.5/10.
@Paul_Simon
@Paul_Simon 8 ай бұрын
Glad you made it here 🤙🏼
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 7 ай бұрын
It's a bit too slick for me... but I'm one of those guys. hahaha
@ykmgeedee
@ykmgeedee 7 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 As a big Grace Under Pressure Fan, the slickness was such that I slipped and slid and fell after Hold Your Fire. But do go back to some of those songs. Thanks for all your time!
@IraSiegel
@IraSiegel 8 ай бұрын
Agree with Grant 100%. It sounded slick in late ‘85 _on its release._ GUP is excellent and think you had to be there in context. 9/10 for me and has gotten better over the years in my opinion.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
I like you Ira... I like you
@IraSiegel
@IraSiegel 8 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 😂
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
As Billy corgan said, and I agree, left Field Rush is better than most artists.... GUP IS darker and brilliant but I have always loved Rush since Tom Sawyer that was a minor hit here in the UK and I was hooked ever since
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
the is no bad Rush...
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
I listen to power windows and GUP all the time and I still love it
@michaeltibus1238
@michaeltibus1238 6 ай бұрын
Power Windows was the first album that I ever owned, albeit I taped it off the radio on cassette. The local radio station, Rock 107 WEZX-FM, played every new Rush album when it was released. In my honest opinion, Power Windows is a 10/10 perfect album. There is no weak moment on this album.
@andrewpeters8906
@andrewpeters8906 8 ай бұрын
As Ryan says, I am "one of those guys." My first Rush album was Exit Stage Left, my second was Hemispheres. So I prefer the earlier, more prog metal albums. As far as Power Windows I like 1/2 the album, those tracks on Show of Hands. My last album was Counterparts. So while I know Caress of Steel by heart, albums like Test for Echo or Vapor Trails are basically unknown and unlistened to. The band that is most like Rush as far as my listening habits, is Iron Maiden. Love the '80s run and Brave New World. But newer albums, meh...
@Rushfans
@Rushfans 8 ай бұрын
Watch some of our album Deep Dives or Rush Roundtable song discussions and perhaps it’ll help you get into later years Rush a bit more! But hey…at least you can admit you’re “one of those guys”!!
@frankthomas620
@frankthomas620 8 ай бұрын
I am ONE OF THOSE GUYS, Grant! I came into Rush at 2112 and A Farewell to Kings. I dont have to apologize to anybody for thinking that 1974-1982 was the pinnacle of Rush. Just because Neil felt that Power Windows was their best work to date in 1985 does not mean he is right. Its his opinion. Oh, its called "opinions" guys. I have given the 1984-1994 period many, many listens and, while there are certain points and songs that I like, in my "opinion" this period lacks the substance of the 74-82 period. Case closed. End of story.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Thanks ledzep! The Terry Brown years crushed it!
@frankthomas620
@frankthomas620 8 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 Indeed, Terry had the right feel for Rush during his run at the helm. I also don't buy that the 80's material is more "complex" than what the band was producing in the 70's. I would also like to say that I really like the band's final 3 studio albums. Vapor Trails, Snakes & Arrows and Clockwork Angels. Alex's guitar returned with a vengeance on these 3 albums! ;-)
@TheChadTI
@TheChadTI 8 ай бұрын
Like Paul I loved that version of Marathon on Show of Hands.
@Paul_Simon
@Paul_Simon 8 ай бұрын
It hooked me instantly. A friend of mine owned ASoH and played it front to back- that’s all it took for me. I get that not everyone is going to like it, but that shaped what I listened for with Rush for a long time before I tried and loved the oldest material 🤷🏼‍♂️
@danimal
@danimal 8 ай бұрын
I love this album and all rush but a couple things stood out in this discussion. 1) Rush were previously more riff based and had a heavier sound that put Alex front and center. At this point Alex was more of a support role rather than the instrument driving the songs. These guys pretending to not understand this and why it didn’t appeal to “those guys” is weird. 2) The notion that caress of steel is more “simple” than power windows is mind blowing. 3) Power windows might be the most dated sounding record that Rush has. It’s not necessarily a bad thing to say that but does carry a negative connotation. No one listening to power windows can honestly think that it sounds like it could have been made in any other decade (before or after). I think it sounds perfect for the songs on it, but it definitely sounds of its time.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Well Dan... I'm big fan of COS. It just goes to show that people hear things differently. Thanks so much for the comment!
@frankthomas620
@frankthomas620 8 ай бұрын
Dan, you make very solid points, Sir and I support them 🙂
@Rendclaw
@Rendclaw 8 ай бұрын
When this album came out in 1985, I had been a Rush fan for three years, and was 16 years old. I felt at the time that this was too much of a departure from what came before. It wasn't a natural progression, it was skipping a level. The increasing dominance of keyboards, and Alex getting pushed back in the mix kind of turned me off. But nowadays, I appreciate this album a lot more. It doesn't crack my top 5, but I like it. This album sneakily had some of Neil's best drumming since at least Moving Pictures. This is an album forces you to listen more closely to it. Geddy felt that this album was the essential blending of guitar, drums, bass and keyboards. I did feel that the keyboards were a little too much in the forefront, and still do. The difference between now and then is that then I would skip over this album and go back to anything from 1974 to 1984. I don't do that now.
@jasonjones8178
@jasonjones8178 8 ай бұрын
Grace under pressure signals pawer windows
@psychofunksoldier02
@psychofunksoldier02 3 ай бұрын
I overlooked Rush albums after Moving Pictures for a long time. Got back into them with Live in Rio and now would put Power Windows up there among their best albums. Perhaps I appreciate the lyrics and songwriting more as Im older. Also think Clockwork Angels is also one if their best works and can’t think of another band that finished stronger than Rush. :-)
@robmlisanti
@robmlisanti 8 ай бұрын
Great Album!!
@user-ke8wd7bd4v
@user-ke8wd7bd4v 3 ай бұрын
My favorite album of all time. I could go on and on but no one mentioned that they were also 31-32-33 at this time (male adult peak) in the mid-80s, probably explains a lot
@jeffp3517
@jeffp3517 8 ай бұрын
What I noticed right off the bat when I purchased power windows was the mix, very slick. The biggest issue I had was that the keyboards and syntizisers have no balls to them, too much of an 80's sound. I do enjoy the album more now than I did when it came out.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Jeff... I thought the same thing back in the day. Some people dig commercial sounding product
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
And I have always loved PW
@toddstone4678
@toddstone4678 8 ай бұрын
My favorite era & 3 albums back to back to back is Permanent Waves, Moving Pictures & Signals. 2112 is special on its own merit. All Rush are good to great but Hold your fire 1987 in my opinion.
@seamus2112ophelan
@seamus2112ophelan 8 ай бұрын
I swear that sounds like a snare on the chorus of Territories. Are you sure?
@kevinsmith7-7-7
@kevinsmith7-7-7 8 ай бұрын
I am not one of those Rush fans who didn't like there Post 70's Content ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@jamesreed1509
@jamesreed1509 8 ай бұрын
I used to hate it but now im older i like it.I think its better then next 3 records
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
awesome!
@commonman317
@commonman317 8 ай бұрын
"Hold Your Fire" is fine by me. It is "Presto" and "Roll The Bones" and "Test For Echo" that I just cannot get into. "Presto" to me sounds very tinny, all treble and no bass.
@dangaucher2245
@dangaucher2245 8 ай бұрын
Bands shaking up their Core Sound resulted in Don Brewer singing the Best songs of his Career in Grand Funk Railroad.Doncha' Know!
@youtoo2233
@youtoo2233 8 ай бұрын
You guys are right, usually the album that you get into a band's music, that usually is your favorite era of the band. I guess I'm guilty of that as well. I think what fans were wanting was Rush to always play guitar riff driven music with some power chords. I cut my Rush teeth on their Kings album around 1980 so that's usually still my favorite Rush album and era of the band. I'm one of those that doesn't mind keyboards and all that stuff, it basically just comes down do I like a song or not. Rush could have an album with no guitars whatsoever and I still might love it, that's just me. My first disappointment with Rush came with their Grace under pressure album. Other than a few songs it just never grew on me tremendously, but all their previous albums I liked immediately on first listen. Presto and Vapor Trails also grabbed me immediately. When Power Windows came out I still wasn't on board. I was a teenager at the time but I didn't really analyze as to why their mid to late 80s albums weren't really my cup of tea, power windows has grown on me a lot over the years and I like nearly the entire album, a very "bright" production, a positive vibe, sounds very 1985. Ged sounds great. Not the biggest fan of his bass sound during that period but it does fit the t type of songs they're doing. Usually if I do a lot of air instrument playing, lol, for a particular Rush album its usually a pretty good indication that I like the album a lot and I do a lot of that on most of Power Windows. I like several Rush albums better so I give this a solid 9/10
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Does GUP suffer due to the producer change?
@youtoo2233
@youtoo2233 8 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 no I think it's just the songs. I mean don't get me wrong I can get through them but they don't set me on fire. Yeah the production doesn't sound quite as clear on a few songs but I'm not a huge on the way an album sounds just as long as I like the songs I'm ok, so the change of of producer doesn't really have anything to do with it, favorite song on Grace under pressure is probably The body electric, killer solo on it as does Kid gloves.
@edlaw51501
@edlaw51501 Ай бұрын
Favorite Album !!!!
@scottnorris8071
@scottnorris8071 8 ай бұрын
Rush 🇨🇦🎵
@davidpousho4828
@davidpousho4828 8 ай бұрын
One thing about Alex’s playing at this time is all the space he leaves. There are whole sets of bars where he sometimes only plays one ringing chord. On the old records he would hit an 8 or 16th note chug but starting with GUP he would hit a sus chord with massive delay and chorus and just let it ring out. Some of the songs get a little tedious to play on guitar if you’re by yourself because you’re only playing one chord every measure or every 3rd measure.
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 8 ай бұрын
I became a Rush fan on 2112 and loved everything from Fly By Night to Permanent Waves. When Moving Pictures came out, I thought they had sold out. How old school is that?
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Exactly my point! You came in on 2112 and by the time they did MP, it would appear that they may have "sold out". It all depends on when you can into the band. Thanks for the comment!
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
Are we ever gonna hear a podcast about the absolute genius of jellyfish??!!
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
funny you should say that... We are doing a Jellyfish show on my other channel "Grant's Rock Warehaus" in January
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 7 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 that's brilliant news ..... Stoked to hear it and can't wait to see it. Merry Christmas from England 👍
@svsugvcarter
@svsugvcarter 7 ай бұрын
Check out Alex’s thoughts on Power Windows in the recently released full-length interview ::: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oraiqaRy1rXMZJ8.htmlsi=zxRNvt__Lcr3KmNL
@MattJarz
@MattJarz 8 ай бұрын
Wow, an hour of Grant being bullied by the Rush nerds. I did not own this album because I do not like the Big Money song and I fell out with Rush during this time period. I bought this CD based on the gushing of this episode. If I don't like it, all four of you owe me $2.75.
@rjm2112
@rjm2112 8 ай бұрын
Is calling us Rush nerds supposed to be insulting? Bc I take that as a compliment🤘 Power Windows certainly is an acquired taste. If you don’t like it, then perhaps you should acquire some taste.
@MattJarz
@MattJarz 8 ай бұрын
@@rjm2112 No, definitely not an insult. We are all nerds about something.
@rjm2112
@rjm2112 8 ай бұрын
@@MattJarz Well, I hope you like the CD. If you don’t like it upon first listen, try it a few more times. And for what it’s worth, The Big Money is near the bottom of my favs on this album.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Exactly my point... this isn't as accessible as what had come before. I'm not saying that is good or bad, but an observation.
@ElGuapo8
@ElGuapo8 8 ай бұрын
The 80's production style is unnecessarily trashed. The slick, gleaming production works well in the right context. I find a lot of 80's albums engrossing because the production style sucks you into a stylized world. I'm a big fan of organic, raw production, too. But a lot of 80's albums get a bad rap without deeper exploration.
@youtoo2233
@youtoo2233 8 ай бұрын
I'm not really a big lyrics person I usually like a song just more based on the instrumentation and the melody and the vocals a song can have the greatest lyrics in the world but if the music isn't right then I'm not a fan. I guess what I am saying is I don't dig deep into lyrics and all kinds of meanings behind them but with that said I do appreciate intelligent lyrics
@oliviergeoffroy9823
@oliviergeoffroy9823 8 ай бұрын
speaking about ann dudley the choice of trevor horn should have been something, a brilliant collaboration a bit like 90125 from yes ...
@dangaucher2245
@dangaucher2245 8 ай бұрын
Grant did Rush ever do an Opening track better than Finding My Way???
@frankthomas620
@frankthomas620 8 ай бұрын
Bingo Dan! Or Anthem? Or Bastille Day? Or 2112 Overture? Spirit of Radio? I mean, c'mon people!
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 7 ай бұрын
Dunno... but Rush sure knew how to sequence an album!
@EgorLappo
@EgorLappo 8 ай бұрын
I basically consider signals and grace as a double album haha
@EgorLappo
@EgorLappo 8 ай бұрын
But I'd say that yes, in 70s you hear Alex more as a typical hard rock player. Power chords, palm mutes, etc. On PW it's like a guitar player paints a huge colourful layer in the whole painting. And if you can hear that it's a guitar - there's actually a lot of Alex in terms of sonic spectrum
@EgorLappo
@EgorLappo 8 ай бұрын
Damn, great episode
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
I can see that
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! More to come!
@pezant10
@pezant10 8 ай бұрын
Did you ever see the cover band called power windows in New York? It's just an excellent feel good album from top to bottom, like Ryan says
@MrBRELLIS
@MrBRELLIS 8 ай бұрын
Hate to be boring but my fave run is from 2112 to Moving Pictures, I loved Power Windows at the time of release, less so nowadays but there's some great tracks and moments on it, I prefer it to Signals but don't love it like I do Grace Under Pressure. Great show btw
@dangaucher2245
@dangaucher2245 8 ай бұрын
Grant do a Boston-Third Stage episode!
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 7 ай бұрын
haha... we did tackle this Boston album on my channel: kzfaq.infoAx5B4DKNv8Q?si=EGSBEon3yoDCfxn-
@cirjames2540
@cirjames2540 7 ай бұрын
Power Windows is not a progression of Rush-please see The Police Synchronicity a few years prior. Problem is, this album seems more like Rush is chasing other bands sounds more than creating their own.
@billyhodges7194
@billyhodges7194 8 ай бұрын
Rush in my opinion were better album wise than the Beatles BUT jellyfish were better than anyone 😁
@grayjohn6332
@grayjohn6332 8 ай бұрын
"it sounds very 80s"? Rush in the 70s sounds very 70s! Power windows still sounds modern in fact it's prescient for today read the lyrics. This is Rush's best album.
@ryanjacobson2508
@ryanjacobson2508 8 ай бұрын
Criticizing something for sounding like the era it came out in is ridiculous. What do people expect? The 70's were (and still are) over. Time to move on.
@grayjohn6332
@grayjohn6332 8 ай бұрын
Yes I agree. People are critical of PW "sounds very 80s" in a mocking voice and hark back to the 70s sound. What is special about Rush is they moved with the times, Time did not stand still. Ironically I think PW sounds very modern. I am not sure I was clear in my original post that I was quoting one of the pundits. The same pundit said that Rush wanted to sound like The Police, I think Lifeson has said he was. This is also said in a critical way and yet no says -oh The Police they were influenced by the Sex Pistols and Bob Marley! I can not think of an album that sounds like Power Windows. Saga had a reggae sound on their early albums.@@ryanjacobson2508
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
but what dates better in 2023? 70's or 80's?
@grayjohn6332
@grayjohn6332 8 ай бұрын
@@thecontrarians2438 that's up to your personnel preference.
@ryanjacobson2508
@ryanjacobson2508 8 ай бұрын
​@@thecontrarians2438That depends on genre and the taste and talent of the artist.... I think late 80's thrash sounds a lot cooler than 90's alt-rock. I think early 80's New Wave sounds better than 70's Disco..... Just generically saying "a 70's" sound or "80's" sound, I don't get that. Thrash, punk, "heartland" rock of the 80's weren't full of synths and drum machines/electronic drums.
@63mckenzie
@63mckenzie 8 ай бұрын
Not my favourite Rush album. Only used to play side one but side two has grown on me over the years.
@thecontrarians2438
@thecontrarians2438 8 ай бұрын
it grows with repeated listens
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