The controlled demolition of the ACC is on

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People are working behind the scenes to negotiate a whole new ACC. Is this possible?

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@brandonreese1434
@brandonreese1434 28 күн бұрын
I think the main schools that the Big Ten is looking at are Miami and North Carolina for the most part. ESPN is not letting the opportunity to televise games like Clemson vs Bama,, FSU vs Tennessee, Clemson vs Texas, FSU vs Oklahoma, Clemson vs Florida, FSU vs Auburn slip away. As an LSU fan I wouldn't mind having FSU and Clemson in the SEC. Great video man keep it up.
@bigced79
@bigced79 26 күн бұрын
FSU would rather partner with Fox than ESPN now
@brandonreese1434
@brandonreese1434 26 күн бұрын
@bigced79 Yeah, I just have trouble seeing ESPN letting a big-time program like FSU slip through their fingers.
@encycl07pedia-
@encycl07pedia- 24 күн бұрын
@@brandonreese1434 It's not up to ESPN. They've been trashing FSU for over a decade. They can kick rocks and so can the entire SEC.
@brandonunruh1822
@brandonunruh1822 28 күн бұрын
Both the B1G and SEC will go to 20. NC will not be a Big XII school as they are wanted by both leagues. You are alone on a big hill. NC has a better chance of staying in the ACC than joining us in the XII
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
I am alone.
@user-kn7ry8iz6x
@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 Like the CHEESE. Standing alone. Stinky Cheese. How DRUNK do you get when you make all of these videos? Is it Bath Salts? What is it rotting your peabrain?
@tylernelson3343
@tylernelson3343 28 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 to be honest with you I enjoy seeing the look on Stanford and California in when the ACC get downgraded
@MikeSharpe973
@MikeSharpe973 28 күн бұрын
@@tylernelson3343 Be careful what you wish for, lol. When the downgraded ACC teams get that look, the Big12 will be in the same boat. There will be no room left for a Power 3, only 2 conferences will remain at the highest level.
@tylernelson3343
@tylernelson3343 28 күн бұрын
@@MikeSharpe973 unfortunately we are going down this path after the destruction of PAC 12.
@timothyblack3322
@timothyblack3322 28 күн бұрын
UNC is supporting FSU & Clemson behind scenes. UNC voted against suing FSU & Clemson. The decades long SEC boycott has been lifted for scheduling home & home series in football with Florida State University. The SEC & the B1G Commissioner’s met awhile back & played the you get/I get game. FOX has been shouting & the B1G is certainly on board: We want Florida State 1st & the talk around Notre Dame coming together has some truth to it. Those two would be one hell of a package! I think that will not happen right away with ND. From the decades of being in the ACC. I would tell the SEC the truth, NC State & Virginia Tech actually care about football, picking them over Virginia & UNC gets them into those two state with a SEC Culture. The B1G only has 2 selections, FSU + UNC or Miami. The SEC would allow FSU as a sacrifice to get the ball rolling. I don’t know who they want, but they could take 4 teams.
@marcsamuelson1011
@marcsamuelson1011 28 күн бұрын
I agree, NC State and VTech are able to sell out their 60,000 plus stadiums and their fans also travel very well. In the future the money will be made by subscriptions. The SEC does not want teams that can barely attract 40,000 fans to a game, and with either small or apathetic alumni; specifically regarding football. FSU, Clemson, NC State, and VTech solidifies the Southeastern United States for the SEC, which is what they really want.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
Valid speculation
@cdray-qy7wp
@cdray-qy7wp 27 күн бұрын
Timothy aka Tarheel...once again trying to shed NC in a good light when they are the ones who ruined the ACC with their Tobacco Road mismanagement, Swafford corruption and nepotism....lousy tv ratings, apathetic football fans and bad teams...that is what NC offers to the Big2. You guys are so valuable why not stay and rebuild the ACC?
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
@@cdray-qy7wp Typical FSU delusion. I am not Tim. As a reminder, FSU pushed for all of those failed expansions with former BIGEAST schools. If FSU is so great, why the CFP snub?
@dnuts4104
@dnuts4104 28 күн бұрын
I can’t believe that two years ago the Big12 was dead in the water and now is about to possibly be in such a power position. Damn this world is a trip. Thanks for the video brother
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
You are very welcome
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
In context, the BIG12 remains dead. It has no feasible path to return to be a peer Tier 1 conference.
@dnuts4104
@dnuts4104 24 күн бұрын
@@tarheel7406 bro lashing out at me isn’t going to fix your conference. In context when your top football programs leave the ACC will be in way worse shape than the Big12. No offense just facts.
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
@@dnuts4104 Bro.... a) I didn't lash out. BIG12 defenders have no self-awareness of where it stands. b) The BIG12 has ALREADY lost its top 6 (net). c) The BIG12 is the worst in athletics, academics, value and prestige. Even if the ACC depletes down to the BIG12's Tier 2 level in football (and historical basketbal)l, it would still be better on other factors. Just facts and yet another example of no self-awareness.
@dnuts4104
@dnuts4104 24 күн бұрын
@@tarheel7406 this only about football and money and if you think otherwise than your not paying attention. Nobody gives a shit about academic prestige when they are watching football. Get off your soapbox and quit drinking the haterade.
@tomk537
@tomk537 28 күн бұрын
The general direction of this video is right on - everyone has a bit of leverage and everyone has give to get - quibble - I like Tulane, USF, UCONN and Memphis to ACC
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
Anything is possible
@charleswebsterjr.6350
@charleswebsterjr.6350 20 күн бұрын
That's the 4 logical
@Pharaoh_Papi
@Pharaoh_Papi 28 күн бұрын
BIG is not doing partial with ND. We don't need ND that bad to make money. We're already the richest conference in the college football.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
True
@johnhawkes4048
@johnhawkes4048 28 күн бұрын
I àm starting to believe that a partial ND deal is doable!
@Patrick-sg7cm
@Patrick-sg7cm 28 күн бұрын
Most likely, the ACC will only suffer from light depletion and will continue on as a conference.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
There is nothing light about the depletion
@Patrick-sg7cm
@Patrick-sg7cm 28 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 If only 4 teams or fewer leave the ACC, I would consider that light depletion. If only FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, and Miami leave, the ACC can survive much like how the Big 12 survived after Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri left.
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 27 күн бұрын
@@Patrick-sg7cmFSU and Clemson is everything to the ACC they don't have another great football team besides Notre Dame maybe Miami but they haven't been that good lately.
@Patrick-sg7cm
@Patrick-sg7cm 27 күн бұрын
@@davidframe1613 Texas, Oklahoma, and Nebraska were everything to the Big 12. Yet the Big 12 lives on and got a 32 million per member TV deal.
@Patrick-sg7cm
@Patrick-sg7cm 27 күн бұрын
@@davidframe1613 Nebraska, Texas, and Oklahoma were everything to the Big 12, yet the Big 12 lives on.
@voiceofreason2674
@voiceofreason2674 14 күн бұрын
SEC is at capacity we cant handle adding anymore teams.
@jacksonrock-dq3ef
@jacksonrock-dq3ef 27 күн бұрын
I think unc to sec makes the most sense. It’s a state without a power 2 conference, and they bring some good rivalries into the mix in football and basketball
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 27 күн бұрын
In football? Disagree
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 22 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 You have no perspective from the SEC or B1G point of view.
@davidsabanosh9459
@davidsabanosh9459 28 күн бұрын
As a va fan I would rather be in Big12 then sec and get beat up all the time. and at least there is parody that any team could win a tittle.
@chrisg4931
@chrisg4931 28 күн бұрын
What’s the difference, you get beat up in the ACC now.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
True
@davidsabanosh9459
@davidsabanosh9459 28 күн бұрын
@@chrisg4931 Because there is more of a sight chance to win more games in the big12 then possibly not ever wining a game in the sec or big 10
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 28 күн бұрын
If UNC goes to the SEC then my Mountaineers should go to the NFL would basically be the same because neither team will probably ever get a win again.😂🤣
@jamiethornton6101
@jamiethornton6101 28 күн бұрын
people said the same thing about Missouri, yet they built their program up. With SEC $$$$$, if UNC chose to build up it's football program, they probably could become very good.
@Doc_Boots
@Doc_Boots 28 күн бұрын
Nah, they would be arch rivals with Vandy and have a battle for second worst team every year
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 27 күн бұрын
@@jamiethornton6101 there is a huge difference between Georgia and UNC. If UNC was to go into the SEC in do well that would expose the SEC for being weak. UNC does not have a good track record at football.
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 27 күн бұрын
@@Doc_Boots exactly why would the SEC want another Vanderbilt.
@jamiethornton6101
@jamiethornton6101 27 күн бұрын
@@davidframe1613 where did Georgia come from? I said Missouri.
@theserkiller3730
@theserkiller3730 28 күн бұрын
While I love that for the Big 12… thats pretty crazy
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 27 күн бұрын
Maybe it is
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 28 күн бұрын
First thing the ACC wants to do is get its basketball back so they need to go get UConn if available and Gonzaga for basketball only. Then they need to make sure to keep Notre Dame which I think they could because of Stanford. Then add Washington State and Oregon State out west with Gonzaga. Then grab Memphis Southern Florida and Marshall and possibly rice.
@zachellenburg5738
@zachellenburg5738 28 күн бұрын
Marshall and rice have a nearly 0% chance. Way more likely to get Tulane and SDSU
@jansonroberts2616
@jansonroberts2616 28 күн бұрын
ESPN isn’t paying for any of that. Waste of time and resources.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
I kept it to a 10 team league. Makes sense sharing all the buy out money
@user-kn7ry8iz6x
@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 Nothing you say "makes sense". Need I remind you AGAIN of the COMPOSITION CLAUSE in the ACC Contract? It says the ACC TV Contract CANNOT be DECREASED in PAYOUT if the ACC has at least 14 All Sports Schools as Members, AND it says it can be ANY 14 SCHOOLS. ANYBODY. That is what it says. AND the ACC has a Pro Rata for as many teams as it wants to ADD to the Conference. So they would ADD BACK enough teams to at least get to 14. Only a FOOL (YOU) would predict a 10 Team ACC. I guess I should also remind you that IF the ACC has 14 teams the per team PAYOUT CANNOT BE DECREASED. So those 6 schools to the Big 12 WILL NOT agree to take what will be AT LEAST a $20 Million PAY CUT. Guess what that ALSO means. 8 + 6 = 14.
@user-kn7ry8iz6x
@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 күн бұрын
ACC has MUCH bigger plans and it WILL NOT need any G5s to make their plan work. Although UConn could squeeze in IF the timing goes WRONG or RIGHT depending on the perspective.
@tazbo
@tazbo 28 күн бұрын
Pitt will be in the Big 12 WV will make sure of it.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 27 күн бұрын
They will push for them.
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 27 күн бұрын
@@tazbo it doesn't matter if Pitt's in the Big 12 or not we're still going to play them every year. Unfortunately for pitt they're going to get embarrassed again this year in Pittsburgh on the Steelers football field. 🤣😂
@encycl07pedia-
@encycl07pedia- 24 күн бұрын
@@davidframe1613 Pitt has 9 national titles (old as they may be). WVU has 0. Pitt only had 5 wins in 2007. One of them was beating WVU and keeping them out of the NCG.
@Mike-aka747
@Mike-aka747 27 күн бұрын
Sounds like BiG12 is in the drivers seat for the most part.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 26 күн бұрын
Truth
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
The BIG12 is already dead relative to Tier 1 football. Driving to where?
@Mike-aka747
@Mike-aka747 24 күн бұрын
@@tarheel7406 they’ll be the top non P2 for sure. Acc is done for. 👍🏻
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
@@Mike-aka747 In contest, the BIG12 is already dead. Tier 2 football will be fungible. How can the BIG12 be the top non-P2 in a world where that matters?
@gregnelson1330
@gregnelson1330 28 күн бұрын
I love it! Carolina will need incentives from Brett. How far can our incentives go. Take a shot at Miami & Clemson. Smaller incentives required for non-football Gonzaga, Marquette & UConn! Memphis, USF & SDSU could go to Big 12 or ACC.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 27 күн бұрын
ACC with the latter
@Goeers206
@Goeers206 26 күн бұрын
If we don't get any leftovers from the ACC I'd rather leave the conference as is. Basketball schools and more G5 schools are not going to help the conference. We are stable and in a good spot, expansion only makes sense if we get more P4 schools that can add value, not dilute it.
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
There is no feasible chain of events that ends with UNC in the BIG12.
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 28 күн бұрын
If the Big 12 took the six teams you said at first they could always add pitt and Notre Dame also. Notre Dame would have the same deal that they have with the ACC with a big 12. But if the Big 12 added UNC and Duke they should also find a way to add UConn and try to get a basketball TV deal separate from football. All three of these football teams aren't very good but UConn used to have a decent football team years ago they actually beat South Carolina in a bowl game.
@jansonroberts2616
@jansonroberts2616 28 күн бұрын
ESPN and Fox aren’t paying for any of that.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
I agree with Uconn. But vid was about the ACC
@Pharaoh_Papi
@Pharaoh_Papi 28 күн бұрын
Big 12 is not taking 6 teams. That would put them over 20 teams, which will dilute their revenue for every team in their league. At best, they will take 4 teams.
@jansonroberts2616
@jansonroberts2616 28 күн бұрын
@@Pharaoh_Papi they’re not taking any teams unless Fox and ESPN give them more money to do so. It won’t happen anytime soon if at all.
@vernonsheldon-witter1225
@vernonsheldon-witter1225 28 күн бұрын
Pitt and Louisville. On the outside NCSU.
@bobswanger7623
@bobswanger7623 28 күн бұрын
The B1G is not giving ND the same deal as the ACC. I also believe NC ends up in either the SEC or B1G.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 27 күн бұрын
We will see
@lyft0321
@lyft0321 28 күн бұрын
Thevrumor mill was that the B1G wanted FSU and Clemson and that the SEC wanted UNC and UVA for the medua footprint and because they're flagship universities. Then various SEC entities began saying sone nice things about FSU. It looks like this is nowhere close to being settled.
@tylernelson3343
@tylernelson3343 28 күн бұрын
The biggest news story of ACC won’t be on the field but off the field
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np 28 күн бұрын
UNC and NCS will end up in different conferences. They will continue to play each other every year though in football. That's the best they can hope for.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
Maybe
@user-kn7ry8iz6x
@user-kn7ry8iz6x 28 күн бұрын
That is EXACTLY what has just been negotiated through the Board of Governors in North Carolina. They have put it into LAW that they will PLAY each other and other Carolina Based teams (which will help them deal with National Scheduling to play IN STATE for Out of Conference games). Dumbskull would factor that into his Narrative if he wanted to look smart. But he is trying to look like a GENIUS instead and it makes him look DUMB .
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np 28 күн бұрын
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x let's be nice
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np 28 күн бұрын
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x be nice
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np
@ChrisSadowski-pp1np 28 күн бұрын
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x be nice
@arturobalderas6106
@arturobalderas6106 28 күн бұрын
VA adds academic prestige to the big 12 if they are forced to join. They make more sense in the B1G than the big 12, but hey in this scenario beggars can’t be choosers.
@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r
@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r 28 күн бұрын
Yeah....so many dominos have fall the right way. GOR is god and will not be broken
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
Maybe not broken but bent
@KennedyArpe-wk7tq
@KennedyArpe-wk7tq 23 күн бұрын
Why would fox in the Big Ten come to the SEC and ESPN’s rescue
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 22 күн бұрын
To get something they want. Maybe!
@chrisphillips1974
@chrisphillips1974 28 күн бұрын
I think while B1G is interested in UNC & UVA, I think they make a deal with B1G, where A&M goes to B1G, and add Florida State & Clemson to B1G with the 4th spot reserved for Notre Dame, while UNC & UVA go to SEC. Not thinking SEC is interested in Miami, I think Miami goes to BigXII, with Va Tech, NC State, & Louisville. If Notre Dame wants to do Olympic Sports only, they leave ACC when this all happens, joins BigXII in Olympic sports only, then BigXII offers Gonzaga Basketball only, to balance the Notre Dame addition.
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 27 күн бұрын
@@chrisphillips1974 no way the SEC is going to give Texas A&m up and end up with UNC. University of North Carolina is a basketball school Texas A&m is a football school SEC is a football conference the top dog.
@tarheel7406
@tarheel7406 24 күн бұрын
@@davidframe1613 TXAM is unlikely to leave the SEC, but I suspect that the SEC would trade for UNC.
@artpowers812
@artpowers812 28 күн бұрын
If those 6 teams, UNC, UVA, NCSU, VT lvile and Duke, don't go P2, they can be the basis for a rebuilt ACC that is much better option for them than the Big 12.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 27 күн бұрын
At that point they will make substantially less than the big 12. Why stay?
@davidframe1613
@davidframe1613 27 күн бұрын
@@artpowers812 Big 12 already has a TV contract. ACC will have problems getting a contract the size of the Big 12 in a rebuild without FSU and Clemson. There could actually be no takers just like the pac-12
@artpowers812
@artpowers812 27 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 I disagree with your premise they will make substantially less and especially when you consider the lack of interest most B12 teams would bring on the east coast.
@artpowers812
@artpowers812 27 күн бұрын
@@davidframe1613 those teams and no takers? Really?
@Goeers206
@Goeers206 26 күн бұрын
​@@artpowers812The Big 12 is getting a new media deal in 2025-2026 for an estimated 50m per school. A rebuilt ACC without Clemson and FSU isn't going to get a deal anywhere close to 50m per school.
@MikeSharpe973
@MikeSharpe973 28 күн бұрын
I guess the fatal flaw in your hypothesis is that if FSU and Clemson leave then ESPN would or could cut the money. There is no provision to allow ESPN to cut the per school payout, certainly ESPN wouldn't be obligated to pay the FSU/Clemson portions but that wouldn't be a decrease to the other teams. Perhaps ESPN could void the deal all together, but that wouldn't make sense either since the ACC is getting well below the current market value anyway, but should they do that then the MEGA 2 would be forced to make their final moves. AS you mentioned the buyout for FSU and Clemson would be a nice chunk to spread out to perhaps placate UNC and keep the ACC alive until the MEGA 2 are ready to make their final power grab. When the MEGA 2 make their final play then the leftovers of the BIG 12 and ACC will be an afterthought. There will be only 2 conferences in the college big leagues.
@knumbskullnews3460
@knumbskullnews3460 28 күн бұрын
It’s a negotiation between all affected parties. ACC becoming a different conference under a new media deal.
@MikeSharpe973
@MikeSharpe973 28 күн бұрын
@@knumbskullnews3460 The 2025 ESPN look-in clause requires the ACC to agree to any changes. The loss of even UNC FSU and Clemson would not trigger the composition clause in which ESPN could decrease the payout per team. That was the purpose of adding three new teams and why the three most likely teams to leave voted against it. The worst the ACC can do is keep the status quo payout until 2036, or ESPN can pull the plug all together. ESPN has a sweet deal now getting the ACC on the cheap compared to its value, so there is no way ESPN opts out. Infact I wouldn't be so sure that ESPN doesn't decide to offer more money just to stabilize their product.
@Goeers206
@Goeers206 26 күн бұрын
​@@MikeSharpe973 Only the teams in the conference are stuck until 2036 without a buyout. ESPN has the option to terminate the media deal in 2027, it is one of the clauses in the media deal. When teams leave they will terminate the deal and renegotiate. They are not going to keep the same media deal when all their heavy hitters leave the conference.
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